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italo: How do you know the early Christians didn't do it? Does the Bible contain the records of everything the early Christians did?

Besides, the early Christians didn't have the Bible, much less read it, why do you read it?

Oh sorry, you're not a Christian, are you?

Italo u don come again abi.....??

So u wanna use the ""not everytin"" was written in d bible analogy to run away from this 1....

No do o....

I'm a bible student...

Ok if u say all what d apostles did culd nt be contained in d bible,historians are well available to tell us how those men lived there lives......

So no escape route on this....

We all know exactly when this mary worship dogma was instigated...lol

Italo my brother...

Umartins1: How can people be sooo stupid as this? Are you compromising the powers of the Holy Mother of God?? What exactly is wrong with we chritians?? Hardly can you see muslims of different denominations going against one another. Why cant we learn tolerance?? The law of the land even gives everyone the 'right to religion and beliefs'. So, leave everyone to his beliefs.

Mary is the first DISCIPLE of our Lord Jesus Christ. You may be suprised but the reason is 'SHE ACCEPTED THE ANNOUNCIATION MESSAGE WITHOUT DOUBT'.
Dont you read the bible? About the first miracle of Christ. The people's voice was interceded for by our Mother. Jesus didn't know how to turn the people's request down(though its not yet his time for a miracle) because his mother begged.
Believe it or not, Catholics honour Mary and they do not worship. Bowing before Mary's statue is no form of idolatory. Its our beliefs as Catholics. If your belief is bowing before a paper, you're good to go, inasmuch as it pleases you.
What is the probability that CHRISTIANITY will even land us in heaven? Dont get me wrong. Does it mean any religion other than Xtianity will lead one to HELL??

And u bow down to her image too...

I guess that's what christianity is about too??

My lil prob is all these mary pray for us,bow down to her image,mary this ,mary that all started just because paganism has enveloped christendom....

Wanting to allign paganism with christianity...

If not what is mary doing in worship procedures??

If d early christians didn't do it,then why are professed christians doing it.??

How many times was mary's name mentioned amongst d 1st century christians more or else she been worshipped or acting as a mediator for Christ??

Its tiring...

All this is just to satisfy mans quest for idolatry......

Abeg I tire!!!

ban master: thier is this pastor in our church, he preaches about fornication and he still call my girl friend at night, he doesnt know, i knew about it not untill one night he called nd i was the one that pick the call, he was shock so how will he fill in church next sunday he see me

Hahahahahahaha......

Does he want to marry ur girl freind??

Is he single??

Are u very sure he engages in fornication??

Calling ur girl freind mite nt mean he commits fornication...

He might b searchn for a marraige mate

Image123: is it a new book? who did she see in hell and heaven BTW,

Lol

Definitly satan with a pitch fork in hell....

Its funny when I hear these stories...

Instead of many to be struggling to decipher what d book of revelations has to say to us and what we shuld expect in this stream of time many are busy dispensing spurious dreams and revelations...

I never listen to prophecies or dreams or visions of people today,because all we need is in d book d bible.....

I rather find it interesting to delve into bible chronology and see how events recorded in d bible fit into our day....

buzugee: lol @ maybe

ok you are trying to enter heaven by your works. thats the problem. you have to get yourself to a point where you actually enjoy reading the bible. if you dont get to that point you will always be bored and rebelling against the word. once you get to that point, its fun. one thing i find is helpful is that the more you can break the bible down and relate it to real life events ? the more addicted you become.

2-once you get to the level of understanding and addiction that breaks down your boredom, you will realize that heaven and hell, as taught in church is not the heaven and hell that is in the bible. but you need to have mastered the bible and put line upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little before you get to this understanding. YOU WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN AS AN ISRAELITE ( ROMANS 11 VS 26 )the question is how smooth or how dangerous will your life be in the interim between now and when the kingdom of heaven is established on earth. how smooth or how dangerous your life is will totally depend on you. if you obey the commandments and love your neighbor as yourself and study to show yourself approved by God, you will have an easy and smooth interim period. if you dont ? your interim period will be perilous maybe even tragic.

3-sin is transgression of the law. so anything that is not part of the law is no sin. scripture says where there is no law there is no transgression. as such you can masturbate to relieve yourself sexually if you are unmarried. masturbation is no sin. however adultery and fornication are strong sins.

Chei buzugee...SMH...lol

italo: We do not only ask for the intercession of Mary. We ask for the intercession of all saints and angels, holy people and even unholy people e.g: priests, sisters, pastors, friends and relatives.

So what is your problem? Is it that we ask for 'intercession', or that we ask MARY for intercession?

Italo the defender...

U too much..lol

buzugee: you know what the problem is ? you are yet to realize what the purpose of this 'earth' is for humans. thats why you are getting emotional. you think the earth is a place where you posed to come and jollof and party and go to school and toast women and dance and sing and do politics and religion and whatnot. you fail to realize that earth is the JUDGEMENT GROUND where you pay for your sins from past life and prepare for next life. alot of you people are caught up in 'enjoyment'. this aint the time for enjoyment. you start enjoyment when the kingdom is given back to the saints and the lord ( daniel 2 vs 44 ). right now the world has been converted to the judgement ground because of the fallen state of man ecclesiastes 3 vs 16 And I saw something else under the sun: In the place of judgment--wickedness was there
this is where the lord punishes people. the sooner you realize that the better for you. all those things you see happening are all 'judgements'. scripture says anyone who loves the world is not off me. all these people pre-occupied with dbanj and psquare and davido etc etc idolizing men, worshipping the created instead of the creator. what do you think the lord will do to people like this in this life or next life ? in this place of judgement called earth ?
and you are getting your doctrine infused with greco-roman mythology. satan is not some independent entity that has power and is wreaking havoc without the permission of the lord. the lord created satan for his own use. satan is under the lord. the lord uses satan to punish people. proverbs 16 vs 4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
so dont go thinking satan is some independent entity. satan is like the spiritual policeman of the world. psalm 17 vs 13[b] Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:[/b] satan is the lords sword.
satan's intention is to do evil but since he is under the lord and created by the lord, the lord uses his evil energy for his own benefit and directs the energy to a worthy beneficiary. that in a nutshell is what you are dealing with so dont go getting emotional. this here is the JUDGEMENT GROUND

So when will God kill u too??lol

U dey make me laugh o

ckkris: Ijawkid,
From Elohim, the plural term for The One True God, to the Acts of the Apostles, where they simply baptised in the name of Jesus, instead of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Your research must be as simple as Moses, Isaiah, Paul, etc, and not one isolated verse. The written Bible is talking about Jesus, from Genesis to Revelation, especially in the Revelation where trinity is seen on one throne in chapter 5.

Taaa......which trinity??

This explanation u gave how do u tink Jesus wuld have answered it...

Let us see Jesus reply @ mark 12:29-31....

My point frm that scripture is Jesus shuld have just told his listeners that he was part of a trinity ,but he himself read from deuteronomy to show there is a distinct most high....

Jesus affirmsative answer shows that Yahweh is an exclusive distinct person that is God of all.....

If u were Jesus I know u'll start explaining elohim to mean 3....

Infact if u were Jesus I knw u wuld have attached d council of niceas decree and told d pharisees that he is a 3 in 1 figurem.....Jesus gave d straight and right answer.......

But trinitarians will struggle to give d opposite....

buzugee: you are right and his prophets have been up and down and all over the world and on sites like this warning people that without the protection of God, they are exposed and unprotected. so you are right, his prophets have been warning folks for eons. and those who forbear are subject to the seals

jobs story is a parable

4th seal - And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

2nd seal - Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

Ijawkid you must be living in some la la land if you think all the calamities 2 plane crashes, several bomb explosions, tankers exploding on highways and killing lots of people, boko haram shooting up tonnes of people, the zombie attacks all over america- if you think all these are just some random coincidental incidents you must be in disneyland mate. time for you to wake up and face the reality that is in front of you. you cant keep burying your head in the sand like a flamingo because you are scared to face the reality of what is happening

If God kills all of us,purnishes all of us both good and bad,maim us,crash our planes,make our car get accidents, etc,then what does satan do??

Satan must be seriously jobless.........

I asked of what effect has satan been driven to d earth caused??

Any effect??

Soon u might say Yahweh is d God mentioned @ 2corinthians 4:4 who has blindeth d eyes of many .........

Because if he culd crash a plane filled with innocent persons what won't he do??

Buzugee stop this......

Why do u tink when satan is locked up and eventually destroyed our problems will cease??

buzugee: you are right and his prophets have been up and down and all over the world and on sites like this warning people that without the protection of God, they are exposed and unprotected. so you are right, his prophets have been warning folks for eons. and those who forbear are subject to the seals

jobs story is a parable

4th seal - And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

2nd seal - Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

Ijawkid you must be living in some la la land if you think all the calamities 2 plane crashes, several bomb explosions, tankers exploding on highways and killing lots of people, boko haram shooting up tonnes of people, the zombie attacks all over america- if you think all these are just some random coincidental incidents you must be in disneyland mate. time for you to wake up and face the reality that is in front of you. you cant keep burying your head in the sand like a flamingo because you are scared to face the reality of what is happening

If God kills all of us,purnishes all of us both good and bad,maim us,crash our planes,make our car get accidents, etc,then what does satan do??

Satan must be seriously jobless.........

I asked of what effect has satan been driven to d earth caused??

Any effect??

Soon u might say Yahweh is d God mentioned @ 2corinthians 4:4 who has blindeth d eyes of many .........

Because if he culd crash a plane filled with innocent persons what won't he do??

Buzugee stop this......

Why do u tink when satan is locked up and eventually destroyed our problems will cease??

ckkris: Ijawkid,
My point is simple. The Bible is the best book on earth, and as this Bible reveals God in plural form of ONE PERSON, I accept it. In the history of mankind there's no other God as good as Jehovah Elohim, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. And it's in His trinity that He LEGALLY conquers all other gods put together. And that LEGALITY is very important. The Apostle Paul, that inimitable erudite scholar of The TANAKH, explained that the princes of this world couldn't understand, lest they would not have crucified the Prince of glory. Millions hold this simple understanding around the world, and there's nothing you and your sponsors can do to confuse them, not to talk of stopping them from worshipping The only True God, that purchased them with His own Blood. JESUS IS LORD.

Na wa for this trinity doctrine.....

U are tryin to use d word ELOHIM now to prove d trinity abi??

Oboy Elohim doesn't meanr 3 gods or 3 persons...

If we wanna take Elohim the way it is then we can assume more than 3 Gods....

Its d trinity that has made u concluded that its d trinity that is been implied...


Now no evidence for that......

Elohim doesn't have any definite number of gods or mighty persons attached to it.....

I culd include angels or mary too the mother of God according what some say......

My point??

U can't keep thinking that when u call Yahweh. Or worship Yahweh,then ur worshipping d trinity....

That's un heard of.......

Context like I will forever tell u shuild determine when that Elohim applies in d singular form or in d plural form....

If not we can equate the angels and satan with God...

Because the bible calls them Elohim too.......

Elohim is not tied up to a trinity(3 gods) the way u guys have pre-sumed it to be......

I'm coming up with 1 very good explanation to this elohim issue...

logicboy: Always afraid to tell the truth about christianty, arent you?

Touch not my annointed............

Oboy I supprt d poster o..

I had raised a topic like this here on NL...

But people run leave am...

That's why I just gave this lil reply..lol

OLAADEGBU: Noah finds fossils after the flood.

Lol

You and this ur hilarious pix's.....

Na them sabi......

ajufinz: Are Jehovah witness Christians?

Are trinitarians christians??

ckkris: Ijawkid,
In Daniel, Jehovah is addressed as God of gods, or Elohim of elohim, bearing in mind that The Shema, Deuteronomy 6:4, had defined The LORD GOD, Elohim, as one that is in plural. All Israel understood that, and so must Christians that believe in and worship The LORD God of Israel, who has never been defined in the singular form as other gods, by Isaiah. God is His own interpreter, has made it plain.

So what's ya point bro??

Like I have always said ""GOD"",""ELOHIM"" is not d name of anybody,it can apply to many persons ...

That is why God gave moses his personal name ...

He wasn't senseless to had done that.......

Nobody shares Yahwehs name with him......

It is his personal distinct name....

@buzugee................

Please read d next verse of that chapter 3 of amos....

U failed to read thru all d verses...

King James Version (KJV)
7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he
revealeth his secret unto his servants the
prophets.


Before God brings calamity on any city he forwarns about it thru his prophets...

Yahweh never fails to do that......

So the dana crash who did he tell before unleashing death on those innocent victims on dat plane??.......

Buzugee why are u painting Yahweh in this light...

I don't like it.......

What did those individuals do to deserve death from d hands of Yahweh in d 1st place??...

What happened in Jobs case??

Please re-think...

Ur mis-applying that verse.......

buzugee: I have no choice but to call you an 'antichrist' then since you are against the lords words.
AMOS 3 VS 6- Does disaster come to a city unless the LORD has planned it?
1 JOHN 2 VS 22 Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

RIGHT NOW IJAWKID YOU ARE DENYING THE FATHER BY DENYING THESE WORDS > ( AMOS 3 VS 6 ). YOU ARE AN ANTICHRIST > (1 JOHN 2 VS 22 )

Hahahahahaha

Buzugee oooo....I go die for ya hand...

U never still answer wetin happen to Job...

Did Yahweh unleash d tribulations he went thru or satan did??


Abeg I no be anti-christ...lol

@chris....

Please see that even angels are called ELOHIM.......

Like I said context always must matter...

Look up these scripture....

See how it was written in hebrews and was applied on Jesus.....

Psalm 8:5 -
Hebrew:
וַתְּחַסְּרֵ֣הוּ מְּ֭עַט מֵאֱלֹהִ֑ים
Interlinear:
And you-made-lower him little than gods
Septuagint:
ἠλάττωσας αὐτὸν βραχύ τι παρʼ ἀγγέλους
Interlinear:
You-made-less him little some than angels
Translation:
You made him a little lower than the angels
KJV: For thou hast made him a little lower
than the angels
NIV: You made him a little lower than the
heavenly beings
ESV: Yet you have made him a little lower than
the heavenly beings* (footnote: Or, than God;
Septuagint, than the angels)
AB: Yet You have made him but a little lower
than God [or heavenly beings]
CEV: You made us a little lower than you
yourself* (footnote: you yourself: Or " the
angels" or " the beings in heaven."
NLT: Yet you made them only a little lower
than God* (footnote: Or, Yet you made them
only a little lower than the angels; Hebrew
reads Yet you made him [i.e., man] a little
lower than Elohim)
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures: You have made
him little less than divine* (footnote: Or, "the
angels"
NJB: Yet you have made him little less than a
god
NAB: You made him for a little while lower
than the angels* (footnote: Little less than a
god: Hebrew ‘elohim, the ordinary word for
“God” or “the gods” or members of the
heavenly court.

ckkris: haibe,
Please understand that right from Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew word for God is Elohim, a plural, not in the singular form. And in order to separate this plural form from any kind of polytheism, Deuteronomy 6:4 explained that this plural name is one God. Is this difficult to follow?

Now d truth is that elohim in genesis 1;1 could comprise of Yahweh,Jesus and d angels..

There didn't mention how many powerful persons where present...

Remember I had earlier defined what elohim means and how it shuld be applied......

The context shuld determine what God and how many powerful supernatural being is been mentioned.....


I had earlier posted this ELOHIM issue here...

Let me get it back...

haibe: Lol what kind of question is this "Why is Jesus always the servant"
First answer this questions: why is your eyes always the seer, why is your nose always the smeller, why is your leg always the walker?

@ least my eyes is not d same as my nose...they are 2 different ,distinct organs...


But u won't agree that Jesus is seperate and distinct from d Father...

So find another illustration...

Ur illustration doesn't fit d matter been discussed.......

If Yahweh is always d head and Jesus d slave,high priest,mediator,son,prince(subordinate) does it nt boil down to d fact that d Father is greater than the son??

Abi our eye dey pain us not to see am??

Council of nicea has really done sometin to the whole of christendom......

I feel and I know u believe in modalism,the parent of the trinity dogma...

All pagan inclined....

buzugee: job wasnt killed on the job. he was just tried and tested and his fortunes were later restored a gazillion times.

abel was murdered by cain because he was a very righteous person ( that is called KILLED ON THE JOB )

In Jobs case wuld u say God killed his kids and inflicted those magliniant boils on him or Satan did??

We all know d story..

God only allowed it.....

Buzugee stop saying God killed those dana victims.....its really bad....

Carelessness of d dana management and our aviation board killed those poor people in that plane.....not God.!

haibe: @goshen there isn't much to explain here
1. Yahweh is a tri-Personal Being, eternally
existing as the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit.
2. In Trinitarian understanding the Father, the
Son and the Holy Spirit can be identified as
Yahweh either individually or collectively,
since all three are God fully and eternally. To
break this down further note that:
a. All three Divine Persons can be identified
as Yahweh God collectively.
b. Each specific Person can be identified as
Yahweh. For example, the Father can be
identified as Yahweh apart from the other
members of the Godhead without this
implying that the Son and the Spirit are
not Yahweh as well. The same is true in the
case of the Son or the Spirit, i.e. either one
can be addressed as Yahweh apart from
the other members without this meaning
that the rest are not Yahweh God just like as you call Jesus God separately without the father and vice-versa. The father is also called God separately without the son, same with the Spirit.
3. Since there are three distinct Persons of
God one Person can become the Servant of
the Other without that Person ceasing to be
God. That's the understanding you need to have, because the Son comes in flesh doesn't stop him from being Yahweh(God)
4. One of the Divine members of the Trinity
became the Servant of another Divine
member, i.e. the Father sent the Son to be his
Servant without this implying that the Son is
not Yahweh or that the Son became his own
Servant.
In conclusion i think you just need to understand that Yahweh is not one person but three persons, to say Yahweh(God) is one person(the Father) is to conclude that the Son is not God and neither is the Holy spirit.
God bless.

Why is Jesus always d servant??

Ur brain hasn't thought of that yet??lol

Why can't they rotate who shuld be sent and who shuld be d sender??

Why does Jesus always accept d subordinate role??is it that Jesus is more humble than his Father....

Now I know that d trinity doctrine has indeed made its apologists sick in d head....





Ur explanation is just so spurious and full of confusion...

Just simply call Yahweh or Jesus NOOB SAIBOT or just tell us u believe in d MODALISM doctrine and let's all leave this post.....


This your explanation will just drive many into not even believing in God anymore...

ckkris: Genesis 1:1, God created. Is this God plural or singular? If plural, how many? It's Moses, not Emperor Constantine, that wrote this, as mischievous people are suggesting. Elohim, the Hebrew word for God, is in the plural, but this plurality is defined in Deuternomy 6:4 as one God. Let the liars just repent from distorting the Word of God.

Context is d issue.........

Again context shuld tell us if its plural or not....

ELOHIM is used to refer to judges, pagan gods,angels,Yahweh,Jesus, even powerful humans.....

Context my bro is d koko.......

@buzugee.....

Accidents are bound to happen....

God allowed that incident...he didn't cause it........

So what kinda person would u define Yahweh as??

Area_boy: I'm not sure even you understand the question you have posed there. It displays a deep (even worrying) sense of "i dont care" from where you're sitting.

Seriously, What part of "COMMON ANCESTOR" dont you understand??

I don't believe in d common ancestor sh**t bro....

I dnt believe in that.......

Its spurious.....

Demeaning!!!

musKeeto: Dont touch the Lords annointed... you have been warned..
Did you call the Pastor into the meanistry? Did he ask you for money to pay for the billboards?
Why cant you mind your business?
this sttooopidd nairaland and their anti christian threads, God will judge all of u..
shebi na because Xtians no dey throw bomb?

i no blame all of una

Sarcastic muskeeto....lol

Area_boy: Even your own bible says. " my people perish from lack of knowledge"
Half baked christians.

And what do I call u??

Full baked atheist or evolutionist??

With all ur rantings none of u have as an individual carried out just 1 experiment to prove the theory u hold on to...

What ever ur gods tell u,u write it up here....

I have some questions for.....

The same questions I asked logic boy up there..

Start answering..

Did evolution and reproduction take place simultaneously??

Did apes give birth to there kinds and @ d same time evolving to humans...

YES or NO.....

logicboy: Simple English. Humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor. We split into different species from that common ancestor millions of years ago. Chimpanzees will give birth to more "advanced" chimpanzees and humans will give birth to more "advanced" humans.

You forefathers had a use for wisdom teeth. Now humans are losing their wisdom teeth. /many dont gor wisdom teeth anymore. We are slowly evolving over time.

Lol...

All fables....

So we'll advance or evolve to advanced humans in what sense??

Please tell me.....

To incredible hawk??

Or what??

So d process is slow??

Logic boy what u just believed is d most insane thing 1 who claims to have common sense shuld believe in...





So we can actually say u have that faith that slowly according to what your oga's(evolutionist) told u we'll evolve....

And chimpanzees will evolve to higher chimpanzees.....

Let's watch and see.....

Get ready to be debunked when this insane theory fails....

another question for u::::

Since ur guys say Analysis of genetic drift and recombination
using a Markov model suggests humans and
chimpanzees speciated apart 4.1 million
years...

Did these apes which are our ancestors give birth(to there kinds) using there reproductive systems and @ d same time evolved to humans and chimpanzees simultaneously??

When exactly did reproduction start??

Did both processes occur together or one b4 d other??

If so when and how??

Don't tell me I'm an ODE...

Start answering

logicboy: Ode, this is how you christians lie. Hypocrite.


I have never used "not all atheists believe in evolution" as a defense for evolution. Never. I only say that when christians always claim that atheism is a religion and I always use thatline to show that the only thing atheists agree on is the non-belief in God.



Please read about speciation before you ignorantly ask why monkeys dont give birth to humans.

Speciation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation


Why are you proudly ignorant?

Logic boy how does this sound to you??


Human speciation
Humans have genetic similarities with
chimpanzees and bonobos, their closest
relatives, suggesting common ancestors.
Analysis of genetic drift and recombination
using a Markov model suggests humans and
chimpanzees speciated apart 4.1 million years
ago.[36]


Is that thing up there a fact or still a theory??


So when our are we gonna evolve again??.....

Oboy answer this question or go rot with ya evolutionist somewhere far away.......

My problem is with humans...

Explain what I just brought out from ya extract from wikipedea...

Now let's get this started....

I wonder why ur guys aint working on a human or rather a live chimpanze to prove there point.....

U guys argue we didn't come from adam,but from chimpanze's...

So explain nigga...

Because I aint buying that hogwash up there

ATMC: d proof of evolution is in d bible. When god said let us make man in our own image, it simply showed men were existing. Else there wouldn't have been need for dt line 'in our own image'. D creation of man put a stop to further evolution.nd remember also dt when adam was naming those animals, dt d bible said ' of all this adam could not find himself a wife' meaning some came close to looking like d real thing. Hence d statement from adam when he saw eve ' this is d bone of my bone nd d flesh of my flesh' so evolution was real but it's not our origin.

AÑd those men who existed acÇording to ur thought were apes right??

U fail to understand that God(Yahweh) was speaking to his son when he saÍd those words...


So u choose to believe u evolved from apes ??

That ya fore-fathers were apÉs??

U like that??

Sounds interesting??

And as soon as we evolved we started giving birth to our kinds...

And then we have to wait for God knows when to start evolving to sometin else....??.

Let's watch and see..........