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Pygru: frosbel!!!
If God could sacrifice his only Son to die on the cross, don't you think there will be a punishment for those who reject the offer of salvation

I never knew Jesus died.................

true2god: I'm not an apostolic faith person but they r one of the few xtain congregation dat stand for truth and holiness. Any organization dat doesnt preach christ as the lord and savior of man frm sins(eg ur Jehova witness wil neva preach this in their watchtower) is not differnt frm mormonism or the grail messangers. The apostolic faith stil maintain a high level christain standard and conducts, both inside and outside the church. Its only the devil and his agents that will say otherwise (which u represent) in order to discourage pple frm serving the true God.

At Frosbel which church do u attend? Your ansa will be 'i dnt belong to any church or follow any MOG but only the bible' and u r here teaching pple to be like u. Its only a fool dat wil follow such.

Guy stop being used by enemies of christ to lead pple astray. Jesus said 'a time will come wen pple dat kills u (the xtains) will think they are doing godly service. Thats exactly wat u r doin on the internet, technically cruficifyin christ for the second time.

The bolded is unfounded.....d.o you even kÑow who the Jehovahs Witnesses are or you just want to be childish??.........

Can you please take back the LIE I bolded??................

alexleo: ok so he(ijawkid) is truly Jehova witness? Am thru with arguing with him here. Arguing with him is not what he needs as far as am concerned. Hmmm....and frosbel married him as if both of them are viewing the scriptures from the same platform? You see what i dislike? Not being able to seperate yourself from people who are not on the same platform with you and riding along with them just because they are saying things that suits your message. Now here is my stand, when am arguing scriptures with someone i feel am on the same platform with scriptural, if an atheists comes and makes statement that will support my stand i wouldnt like to bring in what he has said in our discussion/argument as part of scoring a point. NO. For me, the first thing he needs is to be saved and be on the same platform with us before i support him or even support his quote. But here we have people who are ready to agree with anything from anybody provided it drives their message. Thats a desperate act which raises suspicion about the message you are delivering. we really need to be careful here. May God help us.

Lol.......alex.......I can't remember when last on this thread you made any meaningful ,scriptural comment as regards this topic..............

Face topic bro.........at least before you leave this thread you would have a re-think as to your stance........

And Yes I am JW.................

tobechi74: wat d u cal him then

Brother.............

Zikkyy: I did not plan on responding to any post you make till you answer the question you have been avoiding but I find something of interest in the above. So tell me, are you saying if I pray to God from sango shrine, God will not listen to or answer my prayer?

Why should you go to sango shrine in the first place??...........to destroy what ever is there or to go worship your heavenly Father??.....

Pygru: 'Yes or No' answer will suffice.
Provide the answers on both threads.

If your bible dey work open am and then read........let my answer be from the scriptures............abi you no want scriptural answer??......

Freksy: It was a dcelebrate thing by the church fathers. They perceived that if Christianity was to conquer the world it could do so only by relaxing the too rigid principles of its Founder, by widening a little the narrow gate which leads to salvation. Pope Gregory I continued this defiling trend. According to Natural History magazine, "instead of trying to obliterate peoples' customs and beliefs, the pope's instructions were, use them. If a group of people worship a tree, rather than cut it down, consecrate it to Christ and allow them to continue their worship." Both Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul predicted that Christianity would be infiltrated by false teachings.

It was the policy of the early Church to give a Christian significance to the pagan ceremonies that could not be rooted out. In the case of Easter the conversion was peculiarly easy. Joy at the rising of the natural sun, and the awakening of nature from the death of winter, became joy at the rising of the Sun of righteousness, at the resurrection of Christ from the grave.

In an attempt to justify Easter celebration, see below part of italo's post. Judge for yourself whether it's not the same policy as mentioned above that was at work.


Most historians believe Halloween originated with the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced SOW-in, SAH-vin, or SAM-hayne meaning “End of Summer”). During this festival people would light huge communal bonfires and wear costumes, mostly comprised of animal heads and furs, to ward off roaming spirits and ghosts.
When the eighth century rolled around, Pope Gregory III designated November 1 as “All Saints’ Day”, this was to be a time to honor all of the saints and martyrs who had passed on. This new holiday incorporated many of the traditions of the Samhain festival.

{Think of it this way, it’s much easier to paint an old building and put up a new sign than it is to tear it down and start from scratch. This was nothing new and had been done many times before. For instance, many Pagan customs were combined with Christianity when Constantine converted the official Pagan religion of the Roman Empire to Christianity between 320 and 330 A.D.}
Now, the evening before “All Saints’ Day was known as All Hallows’ Eve and this later became Halloween. Over the centuries, Halloween has evolved into a secular and very commercial celebration embraced by communities as more of a child-centric holiday with activities like trick-or-treating or decorating your home to look spooky.

Read the following scripture carefully and pay attention to your conscience - is it saying the actions of the church fathers were scriptural?


"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers : for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness ? and what communion hath light with darkness ? And what concord hath Christ with Belial ? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel ? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols ? for ye are the temple of the living God ; as God hath said, I will dwell in them , and walk in them; and I will be their God , and they shall be my people . Wherefore come out from among them , and be ye separate , saith the Lord , and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you , And will be a Father unto you , and ye shall be my sons and daughters , saith the Lord Almighty." - 2 Cor. 6:14-18


You spend time creating your own version/world of pagan worship, then you put your target celebrant in it an then accuse them of pagan worship. You have absolutely no clue bout the activities opeople you are accusing. You should do away with what your church been feeding you and spend time reviewing the true activities of christian celebrants .the truth is that I have difficulty reconciling all you have been saying with what I observe during the celebration. You don't advise people if you don't understand their problem. It's very wrong of you to create your version of their problem and advice them base on that. You will achieve nothing. I think you still have a lot to learn.

Isn't it funny that you are blaming me for what your church fathers did? Zikkyy, it's true that i have a lot to learn, but how come you that have known it all are absolutely blank about the history of your celebration.

The truth is zikky knows all about its history..but as usual with zikky anything goes.....just about anything and everything goes as regards worship of God..........even if it means worshipping God vicariously through sango,zeus, etc...



He can't tell you how easter started(definitly not with Jesus and his apostles) neither would he agree that easter had a pagan origin,,,,,,,.....so he's stuck in the middle arguing nothing and defending junk.........

Jesus would ask them when he returns if he ever commanded them to pick up ishtar,rub it to his name and ressurection and then commemorate it..........

Pygru: Ijawkid I'm interested in his Ressurection.
Pls did he ressurect wholy in the body which he died

Have you answered frosbels questions??........engage in discussions rather than been a confused person....now you are even a female.....formerly you were a male...who am I even discussing with??.....

Go to the other thread I dropped the reply you wanted........

Pygru: So the bolded are rubbish
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Go answer the question wey I ask you for That frosbel thread:
The Rich Man And Lazarus

Can't I answer them here ??.......

You already know my answer.....

You can read 1 peter 3:18 and also 1 corinthians 15:45 to see my retort...........

And yes the doctrines you hold on to are rubbish...they should be in the dust bin....

mumumugu: has your church change its stands on blood transfusion

Only when mugumugu erÀses all the verses in the bible that sÀys ""abstain from blood"".....now can you that??.........

Pygru: Umh..
Me and You never discuss dat one.
Why you come dey lie like this

I know you to always believe in rubbish........trinity,immortality of the soul,hell fire etc..........

Abi no be so??.....

Pygru: The danger of your message(Frosbel) is that you give a false hope to people who then turn from the Word of Life and take the path that leads to destruction.

Ahhh!!!!!!....I never knew you believed in destruction....I thought it would be literal torment forever not destruction.............

@enilove try comparing these scriptures........

##New Living Translation (©2007)
Wealth is treacherous, and the
arrogant are never at rest. They
open their mouths as wide as the
grave, and like death, they are
never satisfied. In their greed
they have gathered up many
nations and swallowed many
peoples.
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##English Standard Version
(©2001)
“Moreover, wine is a traitor, an
arrogant man who is never at rest.
His greed is as wide as Sheol; like
death he has never enough. He
gathers for himself all nations and
collects as his own all peoples.”

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Sheol continues to expand and is never satisfied as people continue to die..........symbolically speaking sheol has À largÉ mouth to take in many at a time......

This means that death would not stop working until Jesus whom Yahweh has approved brings the last enemy death to nothing............

Death would be destroyed forever........

Isn't that goodnews my bro...??.......

enilove: You did not answer my question.What is the meaning of Isiah 5:14.
Can grave be enlarged?

Enilove is this not the isaiah 5:14??

##New International Version
(©2011)
Therefore Death expands its
jaws, opening wide its mouth; into
it will descend their nobles and
masses with all their brawlers and
revelers.

##New Living Translation (©2007)
The grave is licking its lips in
anticipation, opening its mouth
wide. The great and the lowly and
all the drunken mob will be
swallowed up.

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Am I or are you missing something??............

There goes the rendering of the word sheol.......

Just exactly as I saiÐ on my last reply to you...........

Go do more research on those hebrew and greek words bro.......

alexleo: I DON'T DISCUSS WITH AGENTS OF DECEIT WHO ARE ON A SOLE MISSION FOR SATAN TO DECEIVE SOULS INTO HELL AND EVERLASTING TORMENT.

How can I be working for satan when I believe that Jesus died completely for 3days and didn't sneak out of his grave to go preach to some spirits.............

I wonder why Jesus from that grave did not go to heaven........

Ehe I get question o.........

I have been hearing y'all say bad people burn in hell,good people go to heaven immediately after death.......why didn't Jesus' soul go to heaven....

In case y'all want to argue fruitlessly ruminate on this verse....

John 20:17.....
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New International Version
(©2011)
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me,
for I have not yet ascended to the
Father. Go instead to my brothers
and tell them, 'I am ascending to
my Father and your Father, to my
God and your God.'"
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If Jesus(soul according to my immortality of the soul freinds) didn't go to heaven immediately after his death(until after ressurection) who the hell are we to run off to the heavens when we die...??

This question is for enilove and bobby .....infact for y'all.....:8

alexleo: CONTINUE TRADING IN YOUR LIES. ITS ALREADY YOUR STOCK IN TRADE BIG TIME. FOR SOMEONE WHO COULD TWIST THE BIBLE OUT OF ITS TRUE MEANING JUST TO SATISFY HIS SATANIC EMOTIONS WHAT ELSE CAN HE NOT LIE ABOUT. PITY.

Lol.........did Jesus die for 3days or not??....

Dodger per excellent.....

true2god: I knw u wont respond just as i predicted. Even if the names of the 5 brethren were mentioned u will still ask me about their genotype and blood broup, na JW regular pattern---confusing the gullible frm 'reasoning frm the scriptures' and not the bible.

If u cant accept Jesus' own teachin about the Holy spirit (as erroneosly taught as active force, electricty or rader according to deceptive\cunny watchtower) or his teachings concerning the after-life scenarios, den who am i to teach u.

Continue in ur errors.

And you do know why there names weren't mentioned na...because it was a parable which ofcourse you and your cohorts won't accede to........and if only you had answered what those 2 men did that made them go to heaven or burn in HELL our discussion wouldn't have come this far......

I accept Jesus' teaching that he died completely for 3days which warranted his ressurection there after................

If I ask you wetin be holy spirit name you go begin mad for here...........

Keep wedging the RCC doctrine of the trinity.........when you are completely tired of been deluded you might start having a re-think.......

This night I am going to pray to God not to ressurect some people since when they die(that's if they agree that death is death) there spirit(which is another person) goes to stay with God.............

alexleo: I AM NOT DISAPPOINTED IN YOU BECAUSE YOUR BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE IS NOT WORTH MORE THAN A DEAD RAT TO ME SO GET OUT. IF AT ALL AM DISAPPOINTED IT IS IN YOUR SATAN INSPIRED MASTER, FROSBEL, WHOM I TAUGHT WAS REALLY OUT FOR COMPLETE BIBLICAL TRUTH. LITTLE DID I KNOW HE WAS AN AGENT OF THE LAST DAYS FALSE TEACHING. PREPARED BY SATAN HIMSELF TO DECIEVE MANY BUT HAS TOTALLY BEEN BROUGHT TO A WHOLE LOT OF SHAME FOR ALL TO SEE. THANK GOD.

frsobel is not my master...we are just bible students who have forfeited pagan dogma's to cling to pure truths.....

Aren't you ashamed of yourself that you believe Jesus did not die completely for 3days??.........

alexleo: muslims are far better than you that is a disgrace to christianity with your satanic and idiotic teaching. Worst of all is your useless pride of bible knowledge which not worth more than a dead rat. I PITY YOU AND THE HOPELESS PATH YOU ARE TOWING. MOMUMENTS OF DECEITS. GOD HAS SHAMED YOU PEOPLE HERE.

Muslims believe that Jesus didn't die.....and so do you........how do you like that??.........

enilove: From the original languages, the bible uses the Hebrew word sheol and its Greek equivalent hades about 70 times. Some Bible translations translates them as "grave,"hell", or "pit".

When the Bible refers to specific burial place or a grave,it uses other Hebrew and Greek words ,& not sheol or hades. Like as written in Matt 28:1 " In the end of the sabbath,as .........Marry Magdalene and the other Marry to see the sepulchre".

The bible does not use the word sheol for a grave where several individual are buried together as in Genesis 49:30-31

The Bible tells us that sheol or hades are different from grave.
Isiah 5:14 says "There 4 hell hath enlarged herself,& opened her mouth without measure:& their glory......shall descend into it." This indicates that it is diff from a literal burial places which can hold only limited number of dead persons.

Let me ask prosbel,ijawkid and others who believe that hell does not exit,can grave enlarge herself as stated in Isiah 5:14 above? Note that ,only one person can be buried in a grave.

No matter the Bible translations you give to Proverb 15:24 that says "The way of life is above to the wise,that he may depart from hell beneath", that can change the fact that everyone would be buried in the grave. This shows, it is pointless saying ," that he may depart from the grave beneath".
Why did the Bible say that the grave is beneath, when we know that when people are dead they will be buried in the ground?
But the bible tells us that hell is in inside the ground,because many may not know.

Hell is diff from grave. The bones and the flesh are in the grave but the soul is either in hell or in heaven.

Enilove you err big time bro......even nations like babylon,medo persia,tyre and sidon were all said to go down into sheol....

Sheol when applied to a group of persons and when reffered to nations or abstract entities denotes total destruction .......

You still have more bible study to do bro....leave this stubborn alexleo ,true2God and bobby and do your research....I'm happy that at least you've made an effort to do a lil.....you need more..........

So mr enilove......which HELL did Jesus go to??....because it is established that Jesus went to HELL(meant for the wicked alone according to your doctrine) for 3days..........I can't believe you are still arguing proverbs 15:24 even when other renderings of the bible have made it clearer....smh!!!!!!!!!......

The word HELL was not found in the original hebrew and greek text......your immortality of the sould teacher perversed those root words to fit there paganistic doctrine....its up to you to keep digesting that HELL myth...

@true2GOD......can you please tell me the name of the rich mans 5 brothers??....

Meanwhile you had not earlier answered a question I raised on this rich man and also lazaruz.....

What did the rich man and lazarus do to deserve going to hell and heaven respectfully??.....

Talking about an artful dodger I think you're a very tight one.......

true2god: Ur response is rather dodgy. Ok to make it easier for u, can u explain the significance of the request as made by the richman, 'i have 5 brethren in the world, ask lazarus to go and preach to dem for them to repent so that they dnt come here wen they die'.

I hav a feeling dat u wont respond straight (or at all). But if u can, pls educate me here. Make it bw both of us only, forget about ur feeling alexleo, pls educate me.

Please go back to the previous pages .....I had explained it....go back...........

Bobbysworld28: My lawd, d clown strikes again. Hv I evr said I'm anti-resurrection? If u had half a brain u would hv understood wht I've bn saying:
D story of d rich man & lazarus was no parable. But if it were d facts r true & Jesus didn't embellish them.
Jesus died & descended to hell in d spirit to preach to d spirits there.
God is a spirit. The Holy spirit has a personality. Angels r spirits & man is a spirit. If u can prove dt God is just a force, then d human spirit is a force. Bt u can't so ur point is moot.
Jesus resurrected on d 3rd day for ur justification after going to hell for ur sins

What is hell again??which hell??......is tartarus under the earth??....it seems you've been watching too many fairy tale movies....you've been watching too many clash of the titan movies I guess.......

bobby your stubborness knows no bounds....it has been explicitly explained from the scriptures that the spirit in man that returns to God is the breath of life...how you can't understand this point baffles me.......

God who is ofcourse a spirit person provides this breath of life...........

God created us as humans,that is why we are on the earth.....God created the earth for humans and not for spirits.........didn't your olodo head tell you that...if you were a spirit you should have been in heaven......why are you on earth??........the earth is not for spirits....

You are not a spirit...even a new born baby would teach you that....

true2god: Even the devil believes Jesus dies and resurected on the 3rd day. That doesnt mean hes no longer the devil. The devil said unto him 'if thou art the son of God...', so even the devil recognized Jesus as the son of God. So it made no difference.

Do u knw y easter is being celebrated world-wide by xtain denominations? Its all about christ death and his resurrection. So i dnt knw y u r askin if we do believ Jesus ressurected or not. At times ur question is baffling.

Ok frm ur unbiased point of view, lets just say the story of Jesus concerning the richman and lazarus is not real (according JW belief and teachings), wat message was he trying to pass across.

Concerning the richman request, 'father abraham, i have five brethren on earth, pls ask lazarus to go and warn dem to repent so that they dnt come here wen they die'.

Pls interprete this two for me.

Then I guess you guys are worse than the devil who believed Jesus died and was underneath this earth for 3 good days and was inactive..............and also you guys are worse than the devil who believed Jesus was the son of God and not God himself(just a lil reminder...)........

You guys don't believe in the ressurection....why??because if you do you would believe that when we die we stay in our graves until we are ressurected.......your belief of the spirit of man(which you guys believe to be a seperate person and not the breath of life)escaping at death to meet God negates the need for a ressurection..........

God only ressurects those who are dead in all ramifications..........

I have explained what the parable of the rich man and lazaruz means.......and for the umpteenth time I want you and that dubious alexleo to openly agree its a parable........

I personally showed alexleo from the scriptures that that story was a parable...but his obstinate person won't let him accede.............

Bobbysworld28: @ijawkid, sorry brother u r a f0ol. I'm sorry but dts wht u r. After all those scriptures all u get is dt we denied resurrection. R u sane? After all dt has bn written? I'm highly disappointed in u & ur reasoning. Abeg shift

U better be disappointed In yourself.........

You and your anti-ressurection crew............

Frosbel I think the apostolic church has made an adjustment on there stance as regards medical treatment in general.........

true2god: No one is discussing with a DECEIT. You must accept ALL what Jesus\bible teaches, else u will remain a knwn deceit on Nairaland.

Stop ur joxtaposing\misinterpretation Bible ministry den pple will take u serios. U r gradually losing ur relevance as more pple are becoming aware of ur antic. I hope more pple will be aware of ur anti-christian ministry on Nairaland.

And you are genuine abi??.....

you call one who believes that Jesus died completely and was ressurected on the 3rd day an anti-christian,while you who believe Jesus didn't die for 3days should be called what??....

You can go join your pagan counter-parts and wallow in your hell fire/immortality of the soul doctrine.......

alexleo: Their false and useless teachings has been put to an overwhelming shame but pride and their master, satan, has so blindfolded them with this idiotic twisting of the scriptures. Only God can deliver them. We ll keep telling the bitter truth of the bible.

Who has satan blinded if not you guys who deny that Jesus died.........who has satan blinded if not you guys who argue against the ressurection doctrine........who has satan blinded if not you guys who say Jesus went to burn in hell(kudos to bobby on that),who has satan blinded if not you guys who believe that we are spirits and no longer humans....

I never never knew I was arguing with muslims....smh!!!!.......

Bobbysworld28: So after clearly showing @ijawkid from scriptures all these while, he still chooses to beat about d bush. It is a shame. Ur mindset has clouded ur reasoning. All dt has bn said has rocked ur theology which claims dt d Holy Spirit is a force & nt a personality. I knw dt is d root of ur rejection I can understand ur issues bt it is frosbel own dt sort of baffles me. Take d words of Jesus & let them sort out ur mindset

Which scriptures na??....are you people dreaming or what??.........

You guys have blatantly denied the sole doctrine of ressurection to cling to your fallacies....aren't y'all ashamed of yourselfs??............you guys have denied the fact that Jesus did not die completely for 3days....can any doctrine be more insane than that??

Who has been dodging from the words of the scriptures if not you guys.......

What are the words of Jesus na??......

That he would ressurect ingrates who don't need ressurection,.....abi??....

The next time I catch any of you on this forum discuss the ressurection from the scriptures we'll have it tough...........

As far as I am concerned you guys have obviously denied the ressurection doctrine.......

You guys are a failure to what ever Jesus taught and stood for......

You guys can go create a tag team with muslims who say Jesus did not die..........

Have a good day..!!!!

Pygru: Beware of false prophets!
The danger of false prophets is greater today than at any other time in history!
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you.
Matt. 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, “I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
And…
Matt. 24:11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

And you are not a false prophet??.....you and your ilks that say Jesus didn't die and that Jesus went to hell fire.........

alexleo: Who said am not settled? Fighting your false teaching is what you call being unsettLed? Abegii...

Are you reasoning from the scriptures or just being emotional??........choose one

yooguyz it seems u read the April edition of the watchtower...