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striktlymi: The same spirit that would allow Paul eat foods that have been sacrificed to idols!

striktlymi: The question is still unanswered. Does this simple truth make God any less mysterious?

striktlymi: We are not Gods, there is only one God.

striktlymi: This is not convincing! You need to study what it means to say that Christ is the only begotten son of the Father. Saying that Christ is also the Son of the most high is very inappropriate cause you assume that Christ Sonship to the Father is like that of any other man. This is very incorrect!

striktlymi: The above still is not convincing cause it is explicit in Sacred scriptures that we have only one Father who lives for all eternity. Thus to name another Eternal Father when that individual is not him would be very inappropriate. We know that Sacred scriptures is true for all ages and it spoke the truth when it named Christ as the Eternal Father who happens to be God.

striktlymi: And I have already explained why Christ made comments that made himself look lesser than the father. Paul explained it actually in one of his letters. Refer to the passage I quoted before.

striktlymi: C'mon Ij, I am very sure you know what eternal means. How can a fatherhood that is Eternal be limited? It won't make any sense to call Christ Eternal Father and God Eternal Father when Christ does not have the same substance as God. Remember he was called mighty God and don't tell me that he was not called Almighty .

striktlymi: Where did you get the above from? Did Sacred scriptures tell you that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father because he is the new Adam? Please show us the reference in Sacred scriptures.

striktlymi: I hope you are not trying to digress by bringing up the above? It is entirely irrelevant to the discuss. Unless you want to quote a passage in sacred scriptures where the pope was referred to as the Eternal Father.

striktlymi: Paul has explained why comments like the above were made. Also refer to the contributions of Uben too.

striktlymi: Whether Mighty, Almighty etc there is only one God and that passage referred to him as he. The title f the Eternal Father is reserved for God alone.

striktlymi: You seem not to understand what Paul was trying to teach in that passage. Paul was admonishing us to emulate the humility of Christ. There is no contradiction there. Paul used Christ as an example to put across this teaching of humility. Refer to the passage again!

striktlymi: Now Ij, do you honestly believe that to teach that only God is our Father in one thread and come in another thread to teach that Jesus is also the Eternal Father is an explanation that holds water? Come to think of it, how many Eternal Fathers do we have?

striktlymi: My ish is that your stand point is not consistent with the teaching of only one God if you refer to us as Gods.

striktlymi: For someone who holds that only God is our, you really are pointing to a number of Fathers. I wonder where you get all these your teachings from. Please if the bold can be attributed to Sacred scriptures, I need the reference. Or else I believe it would be appropriate to say that some of your teachings are from human traditions which are un-scriptural.

striktlymi: I don't think your arguments stems from Sacred scriptures. You make allusions to things that are not scriptural.

striktlymi: Do you know what a mystery is? Find out the meaning and you would know why I asked those questions. And by the way, you can as well answer the questions I asked Frosbel up there, they are part of my "thought provoking questions".

Thank you!

striktlymi: The question is still unanswered. Does this simple truth make God any less mysterious?

striktlymi: We are not Gods, there is only one God.

striktlymi: This is not convincing! You need to study what it means to say that Christ is the only begotten son of the Father. Saying that Christ is also the Son of the most high is very inappropriate cause you assume that Christ Sonship to the Father is like that of any other man. This is very incorrect!

striktlymi: The above still is not convincing cause it is explicit in Sacred scriptures that we have only one Father who lives for all eternity. Thus to name another Eternal Father when that individual is not him would be very inappropriate. We know that Sacred scriptures is true for all ages and it spoke the truth when it named Christ as the Eternal Father who happens to be God.

striktlymi: And I have already explained why Christ made comments that made himself look lesser than the father. Paul explained it actually in one of his letters. Refer to the passage I quoted before.

striktlymi: C'mon Ij, I am very sure you know what eternal means. How can a fatherhood that is Eternal be limited? It won't make any sense to call Christ Eternal Father and God Eternal Father when Christ does not have the same substance as God. Remember he was called mighty God and don't tell me that he was not called Almighty .

striktlymi: Where did you get the above from? Did Sacred scriptures tell you that Christ was referred to as the Eternal Father because he is the new Adam? Please show us the reference in Sacred scriptures.

striktlymi: I hope you are not trying to digress by bringing up the above? It is entirely irrelevant to the discuss. Unless you want to quote a passage in sacred scriptures where the pope was referred to as the Eternal Father.

striktlymi: Paul has explained why comments like the above were made. Also refer to the contributions of Uben too.

striktlymi: Whether Mighty, Almighty etc there is only one God and that passage referred to him as he. The title f the Eternal Father is reserved for God alone.

striktlymi: You seem not to understand what Paul was trying to teach in that passage. Paul was admonishing us to emulate the humility of Christ. There is no contradiction there. Paul used Christ as an example to put across this teaching of humility. Refer to the passage again!

striktlymi: Now Ij, do you honestly believe that to teach that only God is our Father in one thread and come in another thread to teach that Jesus is also the Eternal Father is an explanation that holds water? Come to think of it, how many Eternal Fathers do we have?

striktlymi: My ish is that your stand point is not consistent with the teaching of only one God if you refer to us as Gods.

striktlymi: For someone who holds that only God is our, you really are pointing to a number of Fathers. I wonder where you get all these your teachings from. Please if the bold can be attributed to Sacred scriptures, I need the reference. Or else I believe it would be appropriate to say that some of your teachings are from human traditions which are un-scriptural.

striktlymi: I don't think your arguments stems from Sacred scriptures. You make allusions to things that are not scriptural.

striktlymi: Do you know what a mystery is? Find out the meaning and you would know why I asked those questions. And by the way, you can as well answer the questions I asked Frosbel up there, they are part of my "thought provoking questions".

Thank you!

striktlymi: All that is in the video, you have said over and over again and I have reviewed every single allegations with an unbiased mind and what I notice is that the ish has to do with every sides looking glass.

Protestants learn their faith from sacred scriptures through the inspiration of the spirit while Catholics do not learn their faith from Sacred scriptures but depend solely on the spirit. The latter is the example the Apostles gave.

The Apostles never depended on sacred scriptures but on the spirit for guidance hence their ability to push aside the old testament teachings in some cases. Even going as far as rejecting teachings like circumcision which was directly from God himself.

If we were there during the times of the Apostles we would have held unto the old testament as a number of the Jews did cause it is the inspired word of God too and no one is 'authorized' to do away with any of the teachings therein. But we never did and I don't believe that God's spirit has stopped revealing its truths to his people, even after the demise of the first Apostles.

Sorry to say but I see protestants on nairaland and I feel a deep sense of sorrow, for they are like a sheep without a shepherd. You hear things like, be silent on where Sacred scriptures is silent. Meaning every man is free to do whatever in that regard as the 'spirit' leads. But the funny thing there is that people do different things and not the same; do we then say the spirit lead them to do those different things?

I do not accept this! God would never abandon his people to this extent. The spirit continues to teach and guide his people to this very day and the only place I see updates to teachings is in the Catholic Church. The Catholic church is the only place where teachings are done; others sadly, learn instead of teaching.

Pygru: I will not fall for you trap
you should be able to deduce my stance on trinity from my previous posts

Zikkyy: ...and you are yet to notice my celebrations?

Zikkyy: are you now saying the idea of an holiday (work free days) is pagan as well?

Zikkyy: i see you don't know the real truth..anybody waiting till easter to reflect on Jesus resurrection is not really interested in Jesus. He is actually waiting for the holiday.

Zikkyy: i enjoy the holiday.

Zikkyy: some elements of easter i do, easter or no easter.

Zikkyy: so if individuals have their own easter, you no get issues. only when done as a group abi? it only becomes a sin when an activity is done by a great crowd abi? am beginning to understand your case.

Zikkyy: by the way if JW memorial is done annually with a fixed date, why is the frequency and date for celebrating easter considered pagan? you see your bias.

Zikkyy: Una go give me PHD for the research? i cannot because of you spend valuable time doing research. na you talk say easter celebration get k-leg, meaning you know stuff we don't know. post the info here make we read na.

Zikkyy: which one be 'Christian' living, attempting to dribble your way out of the corner you put yourself abi? and i see you have added 'words' to your definition of precedence. anyways that will not save you, Christian living impacts every aspect of your day to day activities. so tell us where christ and the apostles used or told us to use internet & gsm phone, also tell us whether jesus built or told us to build kingdom halls, don't forget to tell us the precedent of how paul and the apostles (or even jesus self) was passing the bread round (without taking a bite) when they come together for the Lord's supper.

Zikkyy: It's the same discerning spirit that enables me to understand your perspective plus much more. i see beyond what you see

Zikkyy: You better check your glasses very well, cos you no dey see the same thing Jesus dey see.

Zikkyy: You don't do that by accusing them of pagan worship when you don't know what they do.

frosbel: Explain why :

1. Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible

2. Why it took centuries , debates, acrimonious arguments, excommunication and a Pagan emperor's intervention to enforce this as a non-negotiable dogma.

3. Why thousands of Christians who rejected this Pagan concept were murdered in cold blood

4. Jesus said the Father is greater than I, what did he mean ?

5. Jesus said, the works I do , the Father does through me, what did he mean ?

6. When tempted by the devil to worship him, Jesus said you should worship GOD only , hmmmmmm.

7. The demons cried out, thou Son ( not God ) of the most high, were they confused.

8. SATAN said to him, if thou are the Son of GOD !!, SATAN must be missing something here

9. God cannot be tempted said James the brother of Jesus , but Jesus was tempted - explain

10. The Bible says God neither sleeps nor slumbers, but Jesus slept .

11. Peter, Paul, etc called him Messiah, Son of God, the Christ , but never GOD.

12. God is not a MAN that he should LIE, but Jesus is a MAN....... I wonder

13. The Head of Christ is GOD says Paul, or should we re-phrase and say the Head of GOD is GOD

14. At the end of the age says Paul, Jesus will submit the kingdom to GOD that GOD may be all in all, should we rephrase to say that GOD will submit the Kingdom back to GOD

15. The PAGAN Trinity says that when JESUS died he did not really die, in other words his body died 50% while his Spirit was alive 50% , thus rubbishing the resurrection which really is a 100% resurrection of a 100% dead MAN.

Oh yes, Jesus is the first born from the dead because he died 100% and was raised back to life by the Power of GOD


The list is endless, keep your Trinity and other Pagan catholic doctrines to the church that founded them , the apostate RCC.

Peace !!

Pygru: Ijawkid over to you

Goshen360: ^ O boy, you det fear God wrath too much o ^ Anyway, perfect love cast out fear



^ Well said ^ Na me dey remember you pass o...in my prayers, jokes asides. Anyway, we'll meet when I come home na No let Ijawkid hear o, I no wan see that small pikin called Ijawpikin wey like to always disturb you hear o...when I come 9ja o

striktlymi: Rudimentary knowledge does not make God any less mysterious!

striktlymi: God!

striktlymi: My aim right now is not to make you think that Christ is equal with the father but to let you see my convictions on the matter. Sacred scriptures does not lie...some of the prophecies about Christ explicitly reveals the truth about him being one with God. The following revelation given to Isiah is very explicit:

Isaiah 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Titles like 'mighty God' is only attributed to the one true God. If this is also an attribute of Christ then there is no shred of doubt in my mind that Christ is indeed God. Now considering that there is nothing like two Gods i.e. God is eternally one, the only explanation for this is that the Son and the Father are indeed one.

The above reference to Christ as God is quite different from Psalm 82:6, where humans are called 'gods' due to the simple fact that we are all sons of the most high.

Referring to Christ as the Eternal father also is an attribute reserved specifically to God alone. We were told by Christ himself that we should call no one father cause we have just one father who happens to be God. He (God) is the everlasting Father and for this title to be given to one who is not him is very disturbing unless that person has one substance with him.

striktlymi: The ish so many persons have about Christ being equal with God has to do with the comments he made which seems to imply that he is lesser than the father but Paul explains the reason why it was so in his letter to the Philippians:

Philippians 2:3
King James Version (KJV)
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

The simple answer Paul gave was Christ' humility. This explains it perfectly as he went further to say:

[b]Philippians 2:5-7
King James Version (KJV)[/b]
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

His humility made him accept the position of a servant hence assuming the likeness of men. So when Christ make some comments that seem to take away his divinity, the above is the reason why he made those comments. This humility also lead him to accept baptism from one of his subjects even though he does not need to be baptized. The fact that John baptized Jesus does not in any way imply that Jesus is less than John...

striktlymi: What is said about Jesus goes beyond just exhibiting the Father's qualities...the titles of the father were also attributed to him. Any human being can exhibit some qualities of God. The fact that we do good alone shows that we can indeed exhibit the qualities of God but it takes more than just one's humanity to get the title 'Mighty God' and 'Eternal father'. These are titles for God alone.

striktlymi: I have explained why it seems so.

striktlymi: We are not "Gods" but 'gods'; there is a difference. Jesus is not a 'god' but God and he was described as the eternal father. Are we eternal fathers too?

striktlymi: Uben has explained the bold so no need go into them again.

striktlymi: The only thing God cannot do is commit sin which is the same as offending himself cause sin is an offence against God. If you know of any other thing God cannot do, please let me know.

striktlymi: Jesus has the same substance as the Father and that is why he was referred to as the Eternal father.

striktlymi: Wrong!!! The Trinity teachings brings a very good understanding of Sacred scriptures.

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striktlymi: C'mon now Ij,

You can't really say that the revelation we have about God in sacred scriptures are explicit enough to quench our thirst to know him. What has been revealed about God in sacred scriptures is enough to get us by but these are very little compared to what we are yet to know.

striktlymi: I will agree with this comment to the extent that belief or lack of belief in the teaching of the Trinity is not sufficient to merit or lose heaven but in terms of what we have in sacred scriptures, I will say that there is more than one scriptural reference to show that Christ is divine
The ish here is, Sacred scriptures makes claims for Christ that can only be attributed to the Father. Similarlly, Christ also makes claims that we can only attribute to God and not man. The last I checked, the God I serve is a 'jealous' God and will contend with no rivals but why does he allow Christ to confer these attributes of his to himself if Christ is not God?
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striktlymi: Well Ij, I am of the opinion that those who accepts the Trinity gives credence to God's ability to do whatever he wants without restraint i.e giving credence to an almighty God, while those who find the teachings impossible are indirectly saying that God has limits.

striktlymi: The quote above does not solve the ish cause Paul is not of the opinion that there are many gods. He posits that there is only one God and the rests are of no real existence. Hence, this does not apply to Christ and what sacred scriptures says about him. 'Trinitarians' believe that God is one too.

striktlymi: It's really not about inconsistencies but a bid to appreciate the teaching of the Trinity. If what Christ said about himself and what Sacred scriptures says about Christ is anything to go by then it makes sense to believe in the Trinity.

italo: So Jesus isnt "all-GOOD" like the Father. He is partly good and partly bad?

Ubenedictus: i put it to you that you didnt read the scripture in question, Jesus didnt say God alone is all good and others are simply good. He said
why do you call me good? Only God is good.

Now i ask again since you decided to use the exclusive interpretation when christ said "d fada is d only true God" why have u refused to use it when christ says only God is good.
I put it to you that ur interpretations are inconsistent.

Pygru: Exposed
and he ran away........

Ubenedictus: can you please put the above coherently so i'll have an idea what you're talking about?

Ubenedictus: i believe this question should be rightly directed to bookmark and yourself, u both claim christ isn't truly God because he said the father is d only true God so please answer should this your logic also be applied to mean that Jesus isn't Good because he said only the father is Good?



I'm waiting for your answer.

Ubenedictus: interestingly you haven't been able to prove any inconsistency. I put it to everyone on the thread, there is no untruth in the teaching of one God in 3 persons and there is nothing unscriptural there.

Ubenedictus: i no sabi how we dey do am before oh, everyday we meet on nl you have always found a way to tag me with and uncharitable and insultive title or blackmail my believes using emotional arguement.
I have made it clear to you i don't appreciate it and i look forward to the day you'll stop it.
Peace.

Ubenedictus: does that make the son a fake God?

Ubenedictus: if u wish to bow out no problem but my point is i'm not an animal to be insulted and called name daily, i don't like it and i certainly don't appreciate it.
I don't like it when "i'm playing chess and my patner is westling or playing rugby.

striktlymi: Okay, Cool! I guess I am not up to speed on how you guys catch your trips with each other.

striktlymi: But there are a lot of mysteries in Sacred scriptures which was revealed but to this day we do not know what they are.

striktlymi: Those who believe in the Trinity also holds that there is only one God, not three Gods. And when we talk about God we have no choice but be confused and that is why there is faith. When logic and reason fails, there faith comes in.

Zikkyy: am sure it never occurred to you that people (in their own way) celebrate on a daily basis. The only reason you noticed the Easter or Christmas celebrations is because an holiday is declared which enables large group participation. I do know the catholic church has other feast you never get to hear of, simply because there is no holiday. Institution of a celebration by the church allowed for participation, that is not say everybody participates in this celebration or that people don't on their own reflect on some of these things and celebrate in their way.

Zikkyy: You people are yet to give me the full (& unbiased) gist of the origin, have actually been waiting for somebody to post something on the origin.

Zikkyy: Do you live a life based on precedent? please answer.

Zikkyy: Unlike you guys, i never allow my emotions influence my reasoning. I don't do hearsay either. I look at issues with a discerning spirit.

Zikkyy: If you are not part of "satan ruled world", what are you doing on NL?

striktlymi: Good morning Ij,

You sometimes allude to the fact that people tend to deviate from following the foot steps of Christ; do you honestly believe that Christ would go about picking quarrels in a bid to drive home a point?

italo: *FAMOUS LUNATIC ON THE RAMPAGE AGAIN*

italo: We must be careful not to try to understand fully The Most Holy Trinity. That's why it is called a mystery. It cannot be fully understood by we humans.

Make do with what has been revealed and taught.

Thank you.

Zikkyy: Exodus 32:1 (KJV)
32 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

The Israelite were not worshiping God through the calf; they were actually worshiping the calf.

Exodus 32:8 (KJV)
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.



You can forget about the era before crucifixion, the law was still in operation. you don't expect them to come up with celebrations not approved by the temple, do you? it was not their responsibility to design or create celebrations. and even after, the apostles would not consider celebrations. to answer your question - Don't know of any party originating from the apostles.



Its not a question of anybody forgetting or not being wise enough. It's not a do or die thing either. Nobody will condemn you for not doing it. It might just be how the person want to worship or probably based on the value/importance that event have on the celebrant's faith



I don't see why you chose to make that distinction between general celebration and one directed to God. I believe same rule should apply in determining right or wrong.

Pygru: I have already raised some valid points.
Pls elucidate.

Ubenedictus: i see you copied bookmarks quote, my response to bookmark applys hear too.




above, u'll see what i said.

i warned earlier about derogatory remarks, d thread hasn't started yet and you are already accusing me of twisting, my explanation is there for all to see and i'm ready to hear how it defies logic. If you can't discuss without accusing me of something then graciously bow out of the discussion.
Thanks.

Pygru: It's the Jesus who rose from the dead in the same body he died That I'll like to Imitate Not JW's Jesus.

For scriptural proof of this, consider the following verses

John 2:19-22
before the crucifixion Jesus said

19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”
21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken

..He was speaking of the temple of His body." Since Jesus said He would raise the same body He died in, then it must be true.


The JW's deny the physical resurrection of Jesus. They say if the sacrifice of Jesus was real then His body had to stay in the grave. They say that He rose in a spirit body.

Luke 24:39 - "a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."