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italo: Wrong! Everything you said was out of ignorance and hatred and envy.

All what I wrote up there is the truth........

When last did you ever call the almighty God by his name??....

All I heaar from you guys is mary and Jesus........ona don forfeit the Father.........

Pygru: anti Hell
anti Nomianism
anti rapture
anti Godhead(trinity)
pro Purgatory
pro Mary worship

beware of them

Who is an anti Godhead??......

Do you even know what the term Godhead means??...or you just like to type on your screen......

alexleo: My dear, I dont have anything to study much here because Mathew 28:19 says- 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Father- a being
The son - a being
The Holy Spirit- a being.

Asking me the name of the Holy Spirit is irrelevant( and mind you he is called the comforter,the advocate etc. these are also a form of names) or you want him to answer ijawkid? NO. His name is also the Holy spirit or Holy Ghost. You cant force him to answer the kind of name you want or expect. For him to be mentioned together with the father and the son by Jesus himself is self explanatory. i dont need all those your researches. I read the bible and believe it the way it is. Thanks.

What do you understand by one been baptized in the name of something,someonÉ or anything??......what does the expression ""in the name of"" mean??


The holy spirit cannot be the name of a ¶erson.......can't you just understand that??......

Ok let me hint you on this.....

It is true that all the angels in heaven are spirits and also are holy.....

But as we know they all have names....i Can't wake Up and call angel gabriel holy spirit, because he is a person....its not a mistake when I ask what the name of the holy spirit is......the question is as valid as asking what is the name of the Father or the son........

Remember we are dealing with one who you guys claim is a person beyond reasonable doubt.....all I need is the name.....

But first of all tell me what it means to be baptized in the name of the Father ,son and holy spirit.....

alexleo: My dear, I dont have anything to study much here because Mathew 28:19 says- 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Father- a being
The son - a being
The Holy Spirit- a being.

Asking me the name of the Holy Spirit is irrelevant( and mind you he is called the comforter,the advocate etc. these are also a form of names) or you want him to answer ijawkid? NO. His name is also the Holy spirit or Holy Ghost. You cant force him to answer the kind of name you want or expect. For him to be mentioned together with the father and the son by Jesus himself is self explanatory. i dont need all those your researches. I read the bible and believe it the way it is. Thanks.

What do you understand by one been baptized in the name of something,someonÉ or anything??......what does the expression ""in the name of"" mean??


The holy spirit cannot be the name of a ¶erson.......can't you just understand that??......

Ok let me hint you on this.....

It is true that all the angels in heaven are spirits and also are holy.....

But as we know they all have names....i Can't wake Up and call angel gabriel holy spirit, because he is a person....its not a mistake when I ask what the name of the holy spirit is......the question is as valid as asking what is the name of the Father or the son........

Remember we are dealing with one who you guys claim is a person beyond reasonable doubt.....all I need is the name.....

But first of all tell me what it means to be baptized in the name of the Father ,son and holy spirit.....

Bidam: mischief maker

........the people love dead human body parts...I tire............

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tobechi74: frosbel, each post by u makes me love catholic church more,; mass is more organised and far better than service

Why do you guys love dead bodies??....I just can't understand........

alexleo: In your own little mind. Your analysis are of no use to me though.

They might not be of use to you now......

I've put down pertinent points that should make all of us do our home work......

I knw u to be a good bible student......I like your stance on the subject of who the true God is........

You can always do more research...

italo: One that ascribes divinity to anything other than God and worships it.

.......and this does not apply to mary and her moulded image??...the mary you guys say never died nor was born a sinner.......

italo: We are not.

Hmmm.......bead users claim they aint idolaters.......mayb you could explain that to buddhists.....

italo: Why do you say so?

You need pictures again??.....

Bobbysworld28: It amazes me when base issues like pray to whom or through whom is wht takes our time as christians. Jesus made an impact everywhere he went by performing diverse miracles. B4 he went away he said as d Father has sent me so I send u. How was he sent? Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

This is d glorious calling to which we r part of. This wonderful relationship dt God wants with us so much so dt we gave us his spirit to dwell in us. Christ is d vine, we r d branches. He is our source & we produce d fruits for him. No wonder he said we will be his witnesses (proof producers, miracle workers) even to the uttermost part of d earth.
U cannot fulfill this wonderful objective by always seeing urself as d victim always needing rescue by mary or angels. Marys name has nor been empowered for use because only one person obtained dt right. Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

U cannot please d Father by praying through mary, to mary or whosoever because u r shortchanging urself & ascribing God's glory to someone else.

If u look through Acts of d apostles u will see how they behaved after Jesus left. In d manner he instructed them. They knew how to pray to God & how to use d name to perform miracles.

There is a higher life in Christ & it can only be reached by a revelational knowledge through d word, of who u r and wht u hv in this tremendous life dt God has brought us into.
God bless u

My brother..this people believe Jesus is the Father...and so they had to employ or create another mediator and high priest between man and The Father....so mary had to come into play.....


That is why they just can't do without mary or her moulded image.....catholics rather die than stop praying to mary.......the catholics have disobeyed Yahweh in all ways...first of all they shared Him(Yahweh,God the Father) into 3,project his son above God himself,hide his name so that sincere hearted persons would never know who God really is,and then they bring in mary...........sometimes I feel like I just can't bear with them any longer..other times I feel I should just engage them because I know some sincere ones who are fed up with idolatry will one day make a U-turn.......

[quote author=italo][/quote]The apostles did not celebrate anything......don't tie them up to paganism.........

italo: How do you know she recites it without her telling you? Are you God who reads the human mind?

Lol......do you guys say the hail mary in privy??

Even on the TV your pope could not do without reciting the hail mary.......I don't have to read ya minds,.....you guys have already shown us how u pray......

italo: You think objects that were made for devotion are the only things that can be worshiped? Money is made for buying and selling but some people worship it. Snakes were not made for worship but there are those who worship them.

So you see that it is not my question but your answer that is a mumu answer. From your answer, nobody worships money because it wasnt made for worship.

You do not know what "worship" means or how to determine 'who worships what' thats why you keep accusing anybody you like of worshiping anything you like.

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I know exactly what worship is that is why I know you guys worship idols.......I am not saying a mad man cannot start worshipping his bed...what I'm saying is when it happens we'll know if he has started worshipping his bed......
One who would claim to be worshipping God and can never do that without his bed is an idolater....one who would make small carvings of his bed,tie on his neck and always refer to his bed in prayers is an idolater.......you want more example??...remember the instances I've given is synonymous to what you guys do with the rosary and the graven image of mary......

You mentioned money abi??...we all can tell when money has become some ones or God.....

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]After strikt read that verse he must have been happy seeing that the Father is in Jesus and Jesus in the Father,forgetting that we are all in the Father too and Jesus in us......

I never knew strikt could be holding on to scriptures that are not even close to the trinity dogma....
@strikt:::you can read this portion of the scriptures at your leisure time and also take note of the bolded... John 17:21-23
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21 that all of them may be one,
Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.
May they also be in us so that the world may
believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given
them the glory that you gave me, that they
may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and
you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.
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Strikt read scriptÙres and stop holding on to UBE's fraudulent comments and philosophy.......

We are all in the Father(the invisible one God,whom no man has seen ),we are all images of the Father(Jesus inclusive)........we are all gravitating towards that unity Jesus has with the Father.......

striktlymi: Good morning Uben,

Sadly, I keep getting questions that have been answered over and over again. At one point I had to stop the discuss with Ij cause it was getting repetitive.

#I am quite sad that you won't be able to continue with your discuss on the Trinity

And this is definitly your cop out plan......right??....we are still on psalms 50:1.......

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Ubenedictus: bro striktlymi, weldone!
I'll just tell you not to be surprise when questions you've already answered start flying back into the discussion.

......rubbish....ask strikt why he dubiously wrote psalm 50:1 to suit his falsehood...ask him.....and after pointing out his wayo he decided not to comment...i want strikt to come out here and tell me how many Yahwehs we have....


You guys have answered absolutely nothing........

Nothing I tell you.........

You guys through out hid the name of the only true God so that you can fixing members to fit into the pagan trinity formula.......

The goodnews is you would not succeed.....

1 corinthians 8:6 tells us who the one God is,and that is the Father.....

you guys have answered nothing......

Segeggs: yes offcourse! He did that to secure 2015

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Lovethywilbedon: WHAT happens when you do the same with your BIBLE. Praying before it, using the bible as a point of contact to pray, saying my bible tells me this, my bible tells me that, when the HUMBLE BOOK had no MOUTH.

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I just can't comprehend your questions...you must as well be telling me to throw away my bible far away from me after reading it because I wnt to pray.....abi??.....na wa for you o.......

Besides me saying the scriptures "SAY" is in imitation of Jesus who gave sound retorts to satan by saying ""it is written"".......

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I just don't know how you want to tie me up with you guys in your idolatrous act of bowing before graven images......

true2god: Hi Ijawman, jesus said:
1: i am the bread of life (dis does not make Jesus agege bread but the messgae here is dat Jesus is the word of God.
2: he is the root and offspring of david ( dis does not mean David is the biological father but with reign spiritually as a king in the stead of David)
3: he is the the lion of the tribe of Judah (dis does not make him an animal, but signified the authority he will posseses)
4: the living water (dis does not make him a spring of water)

The problem here is the generic interpretation of the bible according to JW. If JW accept the person of the holy spirit as a living being, they will find it hard to refute the doctrine of trinity. Even if u dnt accept the doctrine of trinity but accept a simple bible verve and the teaching of Jesus whom we say we serve. Cos if u call the Holy spirit an active force like an electricity, radar, batterry or wind, u not only give a wrong interpretation of the bible but make Jesus a liar for using a masculine and animated adjective for the holy spirit.

There is nothing wrong if one chose not to believ in the person of the holy spirit, but u need note quote unsupportive verse of the scriptures to drive home a false biblical belief\teaching.

You did really well with your points...but let us imagine that Jesus after been refered to as the living water and bread now descended from heaven as a bread or water just as the holy spirit did in form of fire or as a stiff breeze......can we still call Jesus a person??.....the problem is you guys have refused to consider and analyze all the facts..........I have asked for the name of the holy spirit and no one is giving me an answer.......

Talking about Jesus attaching to the spirit of God a masculine adjective does not in anyway butress your point that the holy spirit is a person.......

Impersonal abstract entities and also non-persons can also have masculine or feminine adjectives attached.....

Many at times nigeria and many other countries are refered to as a "she".......is nigeria a woman or a girl??.....

striktlymi: This is getting nowhere! Let me know when you come up with fresh ideas.

This 1 corinthians you don't want to read...
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1 Corinthians 8:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 For even if there are so-called gods,
whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there
are[b]many “gods”[/b] and many “lords”), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father, from
whom all things came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through
whom all things came and through whom we live.
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Are the many gods mentioned in 1 corinthians false gods??....ask yourself.....

striktlymi: Psalm 50
New King James Version (NKJV)

1 The Mighty One, God the Lord, Has spoken and called the earth. From the rising of the sun to its going down.


Psalm 50
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Psalm 50

1 The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks. He calls out to the earth from the sunrise in the east


Psalm 50
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Psalm 50

1 The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and calls the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting.



Psalm 50
New International Version (NIV)

1 The Mighty One, God, the Lord, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to where it sets.

Ahhh...now we can all see strikts deception....he knowingly reduced the" ORD" attached to" L" to all small letters to wash down the fact that the tetragrammaton was used in that verse.....we all know that when the LORD is used in all capital form its means the tetragrammaton should have been used..........

now see how the NIV reads
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New International Version
(©2011)
A psalm of Asaph. The Mighty One,
God, the LORD , speaks and
summons the earth from the rising
of the sun to where it sets.
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Now strikt why the wayo??.......

alexleo: You have a problem of not accepting your wrong interpretation. All this ones you are doing is just twisting and you are on your own. I take what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit and thats final.
You feel you know everything about the scripture thats why its always hard for you to accept your errors. The earlier you change the better for you.

And when the holy spirit came how was it manifested??.........all the apostles felt and experienced was power......no be so??......the holy spirit as usual is always associated with power....that is why God annoints people with it so that they can carry out his purpose........

I can't see why you guys should make me believe that we can be baptized and annointed with a person.....

alexleo: you are just making noise. The question you are asking is sso irrelevant. What matters is what Jesus says about it. This is why i cant fall for people's analysis of the scripture.

Ahhh!!.....you guys insist the holy spirit is a person and infact a God or an equal with GOD and then I ask what is the name of the holy spirit........abi you don ever see person wey no get name??.......

I'm analyzing the scriptures from genesis to revelation to give a consistent answer.......

striktlymi: The position you guys hold is even more complicated than the Trinity. You say there is only one God! You come back to say Jesus is a Mighty God while the Father is an Almighty God which makes them two Gods by the way. You also holds that the Father is the one true God. Which would imply that the other Gods are false, including the mighty God. This makes little sense!

Read 1 corinthians 8:5-6 and psalms 50:1 and ask that question again.............

striktlymi: How many Gods are there?

Did you even get the point I'm trying to make??....

Strikt this is psalms 50:1....

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
The God of gods, Lord Jehovah,
has spoken, and called the Earth
from the risings of the sun and
unto its settings.
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Young's Literal Translation
A Psalm of Asaph. The God of gods
-- Jehovah -- hath spoken, And He
calleth to the earth From the
rising of the sun unto its going in.
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Do you see your stance is shaky........??....

striktlymi: We have one God and yet you talk about a Mighty God and an Almighty God? Anyways, that one God is also referred to as the mighty one.

Psalm 50:1
New King James Version (NKJV)

50 The Mighty One, God the Lord, Has spoken and called the earth. From the rising of the sun to its going down.

Strikt forgot that the tetragrammaton was attached to EL GIBBOR in psalm 50:1 to show that it is infact Yahweh that this verse is referring to.......

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Once again EL GIBBOR was attached to the tetragrammaton to connote power,mightiness..... as the scriptures would always debunk your stance the name of the almighty God was used after the use of the mighty ONE...

Can you please read isaiah 9:6 once more and come back here to tell me that Jesus to be called EL GIBBOR means he is the almighty??.......

Today na me and you...........

You would have to explain to us if Jesus is Yahweh.....

striktlymi: The above have been addressed a number of times!!!

No it has not...you guys are just blatant dodgers of truth.......

The hebrew word which mighty God was coined from which is EL GIBBOR signifies mightiness.......I hope you know the hebrew word I'm talking about.......this same expression ""EL GIBBOR"" was used to refer to powerful Leaders.........

Jesus being said to be called EL GIBBOR in no way means he is now the almighty God....the almighty God has a name,which ofcourse you barely use or never use so that you can constantly assume Jesus to be the same with his Father and God........

Can you please tell me the name of the one and only true God worshipped??.....

striktlymi: But Boomark, Christ is God as prophesied by Isaiah! Can't it be said that he was referring to his divine nature also?

Have you ever read 1 corinthians 15:28??

New International Version
(©2011)
When he has done this, then the
Son himself will be made subject
to him who put everything under
him, so that God may be all in all.
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I wonder which God Jesus would be made subject to there in the heavens...........

If you do not change your view of isaiah 9:6 to fit into the rest of the scriptures then you would continue to be be in that hole you are in.........

Isaiah in no way connotes Jesus being the almighty......

No Jew ever read that verse thinking the messiah was an equal with Yahweh...not until the catholics existed did that prophecy in isaiah become ambiguous...........

Pygru: @Ijawkid I ADOPT TRUE2GOD'S POST

Hehehehe........you never still tell me wetin holy spirit name be.........and why we no dey see am for heaven............

true2god: Hi Ijawman dis is a default and rehearse\memorized JW response to the question of the Holy Spirit. The metaphorical concept\active force concept is not biblical. When Jesus said he will send another in the person of the Holy Spirit he made it very clear HE is a person who will teach, comfort, remind, and equip d believers. Jesus said the comforter can only come after he has left.

'...baptising them in the name of the father (God almighty, a living being), and of the Son (Jesus, a living being) and of the Holy Spirit (the comforter, a living being).

Stop using\quoting scriptures out of context to defend falsehood.

Hw's ur service yr?

..my service year don end o..we wan enter the creeks go find job.........

Ehe back to the topic at hand...

I asked y'all what the name of the holy spirit is........what is the name of the holy spirit??............na person abi??.......

It seems you people think the holy spirit was never available to servants of God in the past.......moses,david,the prophets all were borne of the holy spirit.......

Even Jesus was annointed with it.......

The root meaning translated holy spirit does not even connote a personal force........"ruach".............

I repeat::: peoples cannot be baptized with a person........

It is this same reason why the holy spirit never for once was manifested as a person.......it has always been manifesting as an impersonal force............

Like I said.......if we consider all scriptural facts we can make the right conclusion........

tobechi20: y are u digresing. Plz answer d questn

Soon you'll ask me if I tie my bed on my neck like the rosary to where ever I go to............

Your questions are totally lame....