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tobechi20: leave Mary out of this. Ok?

I want you to leave mary out of your prayers......Jesus never taught nobody to pray that way.......

italo asked me if I knew what was in the hearts of catholics when they pray...and my answer is ....::::MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........

And her graven image...

tobechi20: U ARE A HYPOCRITE. Who ask u what bed is for? Ure deluded

I had to define a bed because it seems I've been arguing with toddlers who don't know what a bed is and what its used for........

I believe your rosary and my bed perform d same functions............

tobechi20: same with alex, this has nothing to do with mary, it deals on U ACCUSING US OF WORSHIPING STATUES, CROSS ETC BECAUSE WE BOw our head and pray in front of them

The good thing is I pray without my bed and neither do I involve my bed in my prayers.....can we say the same of you??....

you guys work up to marys image,bow before it and hail her and tell her to pray for you(since you guys have your lips padlocked)..........how does that compare to one who peacefully yawns,says a prayer and goes to sleep?.........

Pygru: So it took you almost 36hrs to reply abi
Nevertheless I'll reply in due course.
Off to work

.....you no well...I had wanted to refer you to previous threads on this particular discuss....you think typing much on nairaland is that easy......

italo: We celebrate the resurrection of Christ, just like the apostles did.

Call it Easter, passover, pascha, pasque etc...

What matters is the essence of what we do.

You still have not told us how d apostles celebrated Christ ressurection....by roasting fish abi??......

Lie lie!!!!!.......

Oh!!!....and they forgot to make it an annual festival...you see your life....

Your easter matters to its pagan origin and not Christ.......because Christ did not institute easter........

italo: My question is "how can you tell that the person is not worshiping the bed?"

Because the bed is where the person sleeps.............

Beds are made for sleeping and not relics or objects of devotion...

I can't believe you are asking this mumu foolish questions......

I have asked you to compare your pattern of prayer to that of Jesus,...that simple experiment would show who you are really worshipping or praying to..........

Can you just do that??

italo: How can you tell who amanda2013 prays to?

Are you God who can enter the human mind and read it?

Hehehe..you and amanda recites the hail mary day in day out......which God do you think would accept that kind of prayer??....the Father of Jesus??.....smh!!!!......

We have eyes and ears ....so we see and hear who you guys pray to.......we aint kids you know.....

italo: Okay, let me take your own advice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eternal e·ter·nal [ih-tur-nl]
adjective
1.
without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing ( opposed to temporal ): eternal life.

http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=eternal Eternal \E*ter"nal\, a. [F. ['e]ternel, L. aeternalis, fr.
aeternus. See Etern.]
1. Without beginning or end of existence; always existing.
[1913 Webster]

The eternal God is thy refuge. --Deut.
xxxiii. 27.
[1913 Webster]

And my Jesus is the ETERNAL FATHER. Alleluia!

And that Jesus has a Father over him...can you and your ilks get that into your thick skulls??.......

isaiah says he would be called...........if he has always been our Father there would be no need for that futuristic statement..........

My problem is you guys have boldly avoided hebrews 2:12-13........

Keep decieving yourselves.....

italo: I dont get you. Can we call men "Father" or can we not?

Don't you get Jesus' words??.....don't arrogate that title to any man....your habitual naming of an imperfect man(in the religious context) Father is an anathema....Jesus clearly told us that.....

italo: But Jesus was called "Eternal Father" in Isaiah 9:6, even though he was celibate. Show me where he refused the title.

I hope you could remember Jesus said call no one Father except the oga at the top who is the Father of all...no one ran around Jesus calling him holy Father...it was the surrogate role Jesus was to play that earned him that name......besides that is not Jesus' name.... That is why through out the new testament no one called him Father!!!!!...... the names and titles Jesus was called when on earth was, the messiah,the son of the holy ONE,the son of man,the Christ,son of God.......

italo: .....
Also, you havent shown me where God said "Holy Father is a title only reserved for him." Or were you just lying as usual?

Jesus said it.....Jesus said call no one,ot even himself Father....more or else HOLY Father.......

italo: Was Father Abraham "Holy Father Abraham" or "Sinful Father Abraham?"

Your question is rigid....why don't you just ask if abraham was a Father............

Besides I can't remember in the scriptures where abraham was called Holy Father..but you call that pope holy Father.....what blasphemy......

Did the pope in any way sire you??.......even those who are of the same age with the pope call him holy Father......

Pygru: Holy Spirit

They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.
How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar
If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?
Acts 5:3-5
New International Version (NIV)
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version (KJV)
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world tocome

Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?
Acts 9:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?
Acts 28:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers

How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?
Acts 7:51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye

How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?
Romans 8:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?

Does a Force speak, teach and comfort

How can a Force be blasphamed

Ok let's begin..

It is good to note that the correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to the spirit.....with this view point I would want you to consider all scriptural points to find out if your stance is perfectly correct..

It is right that the scriptures says the holy spirit would teach,bear witness,speak and hear....but from the scriptures it is not unusual for something impersonal or an abstract entity to be personified...

For example...

Sin and death are spoken of as being kings..romans 5:21.

While some texts say that the holy spirit spoke other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans..acts 4:24,24..28:25,,...matthew 10:19,20...

At 1 john 5:7-8 both the spirit,water and blood are said to be witness bearers.....I can't wake up one day and assume blood and water are also persons......

Let's see some interesting fact about the holy spirit that I expect you to consider...

Matthew 3:11...
New International Version
(©2011)
"I baptize you with water for
repentance. But after me comes
one who is more powerful than I,
whose sandals I am not worthy to
carry. He will baptize you with the
Holy Spirit and fire.
____________________________

How can one be annointed with or be baptized with a person??...start thinking about this my bro.....
I expect you to give a rebuttal.....

Let's also read acts 10:38

New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed
Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy
Spirit and with power. Then Jesus
went around doing good and healing
all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with him.

Jesus and all other of his apostles were annointed with a person..I believe that sounds right??...No??..

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Again let's approach things from this angle....
The holy scriptures tell us the personal name of God the Father,..it informs us of that of the son which is Jesus Christ....what Is the name of the holy spirit??....there is not one spirit creature who does not have a name.....what is the name of the holy spirit??....

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Also reports or visions in heaven always shows Yahweh and his son sitting by his right hand....stephen got a glimpse of that vision and say 2 persons(acts 7:55-56).....John saw the same....david saw the same..daniel too...

Acts 7:55-56
New King James Version (NKJV)
55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed
into heaven and saw the glory of God, and
Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened
and the Son of Man standing at the right hand
of God!”


Revelations 7:10 says the same....

My question is where is the holy spirit in all of this arrangement....why don't we read visions of the holy spirit sitting at the left hand of God just as Jesus is sitting at the right....??.....at least we should be seeing 3 Gods .......where is the holy spirit when ever these visions are given to servants of God...I hope you took note that stephen was filled with the holy spirit.....??.....

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Lastly let me quote 1 corinthians 11:3

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
However, I want you to realize
that Christ has authority over
every man, a husband has authority
over his wife, and God has
authority over Christ.


Where do we fix the holy spirit in this arrangement??.....


With more scriptures it would be consistent to say the holy spirit is not a person seperate from God but that powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.......

italo: How do you know the apostles forgot about Easter?

Is that what God told you?

Hehehehe...because it wasn't easter they did in the first place...........

I would be so shocked if you press further to insinuate that it was easter Jesus and his apostles celebrated from the above verse you quoted

amanda2013: hehehehehe d same goes for u bro u are nt different 4rm boko haram.

have u ever in your life prayed without reciting the hail Mary ?...the actual truth is u do not pray to the Father...you pray to a goddess.....



iI want u to tell me if your prayers sound alike that of Jesus...

italo: I see no reason why you are scared to answer the simple question I asked, honestly.

I know that you are a hypocrite but I didnt know it was this bad.

How can you tell that the person kneeling and bowing before his bed and praying is not worshiping the bed?

you are deluded for asking jejune questions...asking me to tell you if one who is resting on his bed is really praying to the Father......


is your carved God forsaking Mary image your bed you lie on?.....



or do we wear our beds on our neck,hang them in our places of worship....



you are no different from a Buddhist bro....

obadiah777: BEING MENTALLY CHALLENGED WAS JUDGEMENT HANDED OUT TO THEM

the honourable has spoken....hehehehe.....

chei iI don die...

italo: Luke 24:41 "And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence."

John 20:20 "After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord."

That is the account of the first Easter.

only one who just came out from a beer parlor wuld assume that the verse u quoted is the first account of Easter....i can now see that after that instance the apostles suffered from amnesia and forgot about Easter,waiting for the Catholics to re-institute it....keep dreaming bro....

italo: You havent answered my question even though I have answered yours which you asked after I asked you mine.

Now how can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

Why are you scared to give an honest Christian answer to this question.

@ Tobechi, are you seeing what I told you about asking them questions in the other thread?

The ones that answer honestly become Catholic, the rest refuse to answer even the most simple question honestly.

oya tell me how you know you are praying to the Father just as JESUS did?...the scriptures do have d words of Jesus' prayer....Jesus prayed directly to the Father .....we know how u guys pray...the last time iI checked the hail Mary mantra was part of your devotionals..and you never do that without the accompaniment of graven images,the rosary and also the cross or what ever idols you have around....



when you start praying like Jesus iI will know....for now you are no different from a Buddhist...

Ubenedictus: so you are not aware that the bible calls xtians "the holy ones"?

so that means iI should start calling you with title HOLY?



HOLY ubenedictus...lol...



its like saying that because the scriptures says ye are gods,i should then start calling u god ubenedictus....


besides why should the pope be called your Father?..did he in anyway sire you?....

italo: Okay, so your problem is not that the Pope is called "Father", but because "Holy" is added to it?



I dont see where it was mentioned that the title "Holy Father" is reserved for God alone. Can you please show me?

And I see where the Bible calls many people "Holy"...and they were all sinners. Is the Bible sinful too?



Was Abraham also "like a father" or "Father?"

If he was "Father Abraham," was he Holy Father Abraham or Sinful Father Abraham?

literally speaking Abraham was a Father...he gave birth to a whole generation...your pope is just an imperfect celibate....Jesus says call no one Father....do u guys have dust in your ears?...



only God deserves that title....Jesus even would refuse such titles..but as usual your proud popes would gladly accept it....

1MCN: I bliv arguments like this help in shaping our xtian blif. Although am cath educated enough to hav a sufficient open mind and respect for other people's opinions. I hav taken my time to ensure thru research that catholicism holds and teaches the truth. History has a litany of those who hav asked critical questions abt the chr and the chr has taken time to answer bt it is obvious that the kingdom of darkness sees the cath chr as itz greatest pain and therefore uses people (even xtians and some caths) to discredit the chr. And they do this wt so much self assurance that they're fighting for God.
@Op, to make for a more reliable and credible scholarly research you must quote uncontrovertible sources for each quote you make cos am sure u realise these are very controversial assertions u've made.
I hope non-caths must learn that caths are NOT idol worshippers.
Sometimes we ask questions just to bring down the chr bt the gates of hell shall not prevail aaginst it (and indeed against xtianity) cos he'll be wt them till the end of time.
God bless his chr and his people

can you please define who an idol worshiper is?



after that please tell me if Catholics are nt idol worshipers .....



dead meat worshippers...

italo: Because Jesus made us know that he was praying to the Father.

Now how can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

It is just a simple question seeking a simple honest answer. Do not be scared.

hehehe .....wayo boy....did Jesus use graven images in worship'? did he pray with prayer beads...?....you guys walk up to images to pray and you are here dribbling yourself

italo: How can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

hehehe....desperate men....how can you tell if Jesus was not worshipping the grasses around him ?....

your examples are completely stale.....throw away that rosary and that little shrine of Mary u have in your house...

italo: But Abraham, Paul and John were referred to as "Fathers."

What is wrong in following these examples?

Did you see adjective used by your ilks??.......HOLY.??.....they caLl him holy FAther........

Can you give me one good reason why a title that is reserved for the almighty alone be arrogated to one sinful imperfect man??............

Besides apostle was like a Father to those whom he helped learn the truth and not anybodys Father......no one ran around paul calling Him holy Father.........

striktlymi: [size=15pt]Sentiments!!! Sacred scriptures was not written cause of sentiments[/size]

I'm not been sentimental.....I'm just being truthful and not trying to find answers to scriptural points by adopting pagan formula's......

I forgot to thank you for thÉ new name you've given me......IJ....sounds sweet..........

musKeeto: My broda, these MOG worship worse pass that Catholic one una dey fight....

See as Jesus people dey defend ordinary man like say Adeboye nefa shit for bush before... Lmao

HÀhahahahahÀha.............

Run o before somebody reach ya house now now....

alexleo: I wasnt in the discussion. I ve gone through the link you gave just the first page and Personally i dont have much to say there. My own is that if you believe that there is a God who is our father, Jesus who is the son and the Holy Spirit then am ok. Why should i worry myself over the word trinity when its not in the bible? I dont even understand why it should be an argument- It was said several times in the scripture that God is our father, Jesus is the son and the Holy Ghost is our comforter who guides us into all truth. Honestly thats my understanding about these three personalities. I only see unity of purpose among them which is why Jesus said, I and my father are one. If am wrong may God correct me.

From you words I can deduce thÀt you don't believe in the trinity..because you seem to understand that the one God is the Fathe® and not an alloy of 3 persons....and that the Father is in understanding with his Son...abi??.....I likÉ your stance.....Àlexleo I like yÓur stance........

alexleo: My friend you sound so desperate and ridiculous. Whats the purpose of kneeling beside your bed to pray and kneeling before a status? One has to do with just positioning yourself or leaning on the bed for prayer while the other has to do with worshiping an image in the name of worshiping God. Pls save yourself the ridicule sir. Thanks.

Tobechi is so desperate to support his idolatrou§ stance......

It is like asking if Jesus worshipped what ever was around(grasses,tress etc) him when he went away from his disciples to pray to his Father.......

How does one who lies down on his bed to pray before a good night rest com¶are with one who walks up to the deaÐ graven image of mary,bowing Ðown to it and saying the hail mary........

TOBECHI yÓu shoÙld go hide your head in shame..........

musKeeto: Lol

Oboy them don finish you with curse for this thread.....

Richieboyn: LOL.....a drunk man lyk u never agrees he's drunk. Thank God for knowing you? U are of no use to me. @least not in area of my faith.

When you are satisfied with venerating graven images you would definitly refer back to this thread you created with your own hands.............idolatry dey tire person o.....

woky: our holy father anti-christ May God hav mercy on u

Even Jesus was never refered to by the bolded............

striktlymi: Good morning Ij,

The post above is a summary of what inspires your teachings against the Trinity: emotions, sentiments, private interpretations of Sacred scriptures and being stuck to an idea that you have been made to believe.

Anyways, like I mentioned before, my goal is not to make you see that the Trinity teaching is correct. I have read your arguments on the matter and have determined that your stance does not explain what is in sacred scriptures.

Repetitive arguments that lead nowhere are kinda boring and really that is not my thing...the best that can happen is say so many words at the expense of meaning.

Thanks for the conversation.

#Look on the bright side, whenever you say the Trinity teaching has been debunked, I now know where your argument stems from

So is your reason for creating this thread satisfied??.........your stance on the support of the trinity does not and will not stand the test of time.......I would have brought out more scriptures for you and asked more questions to expose the 3nity but it would end up in the dustbin because you have been cemented to the triology........

I took my time to ask you who the one true God is and if the begotten is the same or equal to the begetter,you decided to completely dodge the question and clung to isaiah 9:6 and what ever UBE has to say......its up to you to choose who your God is........its up to you to choose who your mediator between God and man is,,,,,.........its up to you to continue wallowing in the pagan trinity dogma.......

Its up to you to keep carving images and venerating what ever object that comes your way....the RCC has always been wrong on this subject and would forever be.........

striktlymi: I will advice that you research on Paul's stance on the matter above. Eaten foods sacrificed to idols does not defile a man. The only consideration would be for those who are weak. Research and may be we can discuss further when you are up to speed.

What about bowing down before dead meat na??......hehehehe.....

striktlymi: The above would border on speculations. Do you have any record of the above?

Are you implying paul must have done that too??.....store and mummify human parts and worship them??.......keep dreaming.......paul was not an idolater ...period!!!!......paul never used images and mouldings in his worship,neither did he employ the use of beads and the belief of marys intercessory powers......the holy spirit does not inspire that thrash........

striktlymi: Since God is not mysterious to you, can you please tell us where he came from and what colour he is? While you are at it, please tell us which kind of sports he prefers, is it football? Volley ball? Ice hockey? etc.

We are discussing about the oneness of God and not what color he is......the bible tells us that Yahweh our God is one God and not a combo........the scriptures are so clear on this,,,,,,....it is your duty to tell us where the apostles preached or talked about God as combination of 3 persons is one....

striktlymi: Another attempt at digression!

Nope........answer my question and use the scriptures...is the one true God triune??....since you're stuck with your interpretation of Jesus being called eternal Father......

striktlymi: The above has been dealt with! No need going around in circles.

You guys have answered nothing but hide behind the pagan concept of trinity......how is the one who is begotten equal to the begetter...you have explained nothing my dear bro..absolutely nothing....

striktlymi: You forgot to give us the scriptural reference for the above teaching. We need to find out for ourselves that Sacred scriptures called Christ Eternal Father because he is the new Adam. I am waiting with my bible.

I have quoted a scripture that explains it all but still u say it doesn't add.....can you please show me in the new testament where the apostles ran around Jesus calling him Father Father??.......Jesus was playing a role my bro.......that isaiah says he would be called eternal Father,not he is the eternal Father........read that isaiah well my bro.......
Oya in your words and using th scriptures tell us why Jesus is called the last adam..

striktlymi: And you think this your explanation holds water? We are saying that Christ shares the same title with God and you are bringing an explanation that satisfies your private interpretation.

I know you've been avoiding the fact that this Christ and all of us all share the same Father.......try to read hebrews 2:11-13 and reconcile it with your rigid stance.....

Please explain to the house in clear terms why Jesus whom you literally have assumed to be the same with his Father and all of us have and share the same Father and God.........you have not explained anything close to that..rather you have been clinging to the title eternal Father even when hebrews has explained why Jesus is called so.......I repeat God gave us to Jesus as children..Jesus is like a surrogate Father.....

striktlymi: I have explained what Paul taught. Going back to it would mean going in circles. The bold are your own words not mine.

You have explained nothing........I can only deduce from all your explanations that we can also say that we are equal with Christ.......how about that??.......1 corinthians 11:3 clearly debunks your stance.......try equating Jesus with his Father and I'll tell you you are equal with Jesus......

Its just like saying that because Jesus is called your brother then you are both equal....aint it??....

striktlymi: I wonder where you got the bold from? Anyways, the above are what I have explained repeatedly.

You said Jesus was called the almighty..and I asked where??...

striktlymi: ...and your private interpretation of Sacred scriptures tells you that Christ was called the Eternal Father because he is the last Adam? Eternal means something that exists without beginning or end. The assumption of Christ as the new Adam has a beginning and it obviously does not fit into the profile of an Eternal father. Go research what it means to be Eternal.

And I asked you if adam had not sinned won't he be our eternal Father??........

Why do you think isaiah says the messiah would be called eternal Father and not the messiah is the eternal Father??.....

I have asked you to tell the house why Christ would tell us, his disciples who already knew isaiahs prophecy concerning the Christ not to call anyone(including Christ) Father,but the Father in heaven??....why didn't Christ say call one Father but me??....why??....you have given no explanation to that..I've been consistent with scriptures while you have stuck to isaiah 9:6 like say tomorrow no dey........open another place from the scriptures where we are reminded or informed that Christ is the eternal Father....

striktlymi: Now let's think through this one...

Question: Is Jesus Holy?
Answer: Yes

Question: Is Jesus the Eternal Father?
Answer: Yes

Question: If Jesus is the Eternal Father, can he be said to be a Father?
Answer: Yes.

Question: If Jesus is Holy and he is a Father, can he be said to be a Holy Father?
Answer: Yes

Hebrews shows you why Jesus was to be called a Father...Jesus isn't the eternal Father but was to be called and is called eternal Father in that God gave us to Christ...hebrews 2:11-13 explains it all........

Once again my question is why is the pope called HOLY father??..why??

striktlymi: It is either Christ was drunk or you do not understand Sacred scriptures. I go with the latter!

Hehehe....naaa....tell me why Jesus would tell us not to call anyone but Yahweh Father and not direct the title Father to himself??......tell us....I want to help you see that your understanding of Jesus to be called ""eternal Father"" is totally contorted...

striktlymi: Are you having a hard time understanding KJV?? May be this one would help:

Philippians 2:5-11
New International Version (NIV)
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!

These translations have contradicted Jesus....Jesus not thinking it robbery to be equal with God means Christ thought it good and appropraite to be equal with God meanwhile the rest of the verse is saying Christ never allowed such thing get into his thoughts...the last time I checked the person who didn't think it robbery to be equal with God was satan and not the christ........

Moreover can it be said too that the Father would think it not robbery to be equal with his son??....

Translation problems have basterdized that verse...

striktlymi: Don't tell me you are trying to shroud the TRUTH behind the 'cloak' of context.

Are arguing that we and Jesus don't share the same Father??.......

Please read john 20:17...take a look at Jesus' words after his ressurection..

New International Version
(©2011)
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me,
for I have not yet ascended to the
Father. Go instead to my brothers
and tell them, 'I am ascending to
my Father and your Father , to my
God and your God.'"
_________________________
Why would one whom you claim to be the eternal Father(if not applied contextually) make the above statement??....why are we all from the same Father??....why is Jesus sharing the same Father with us??.....why?? Why?? Why??

striktlymi: Now we have different fathers? Thank God I can now call my priests reverend Fathers without you breathing down my neck.

Jesus says call no one Father...follow his words....stop calling the pope holy Father.....

striktlymi: This is definitely a trick question! Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father.

Why are you running away na from the question....open hebrews 2:11,12 and also john 20:17 and answer the damn question.......

Why should Jesus be begotten from a Father??....isn't he suppose to be the Father??...

striktlymi: The verse actually does not explain much. What I saw was you given your own interpretation to that verse.

Naaa........it is the trinity veil that has blocked your vision so much that you can't let go.....earlier on you were asking questions that you knew the trinity dogma could not explain....I have used scriptures to follow up my points....while you have stuck with isaiah 9:6....all I need is anothe scripture where Jesus is called eternal Father again.....

striktlymi: Not exactly an invention but a teaching from the Catholic Church. This was what the Apostles did: they went about teaching through the inspiration of the Spirit. The Catholic Church for now is the only one that follows this example of the Apostles.

The apostles never believed in the hogwash called trinity......they believed Yahweh to be one Yahweh....