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Logicboy03: We are in time. Simple and short. All these your end and beginning of time make no sense. If you dont know the exact startin point and finish line of something how do know that you are at the beginning or end of it?

Deep down I know that we all know that we are not at the starting point.............infact we are so far away from the starting point........I guess you know what it means when I say that we are far away from the staring point...........the unrelenting spate of disorderliness of this system called the world shows its end is imminent...........like it or not........

musKeeto: What's your definition of end time? Rapture? Big giant meteor hits the earth?

All I want you to do is choose and tell us where we are in the stream of time.......end time or beginning time??.......

Logicboy03: Thank you. The end time mindset is very dangerous

If we are not in the end time then I guess we are in the beginning time,,,,,.....abi??.......

I still can't understand why the pope can't be arrested or why he possesses so much immunity.....is he some kinda God or what??....even Jesus was arrested and so was his apostles......why can't the pope be arrested and tried if he is vicariously responsible for the child molestations going on in the church??..................why can't the pope be arrested oooo??...is he a king or a political ruler??.....smh!!!!....

Kneeling before a bible is wrong!!!........kneeling before marys image is utter wrong too.......they are all wrong.......let us desist from such jejune and idolatrous practices...........smh!!!!..........

nokia3310: He is not derailing..Answer him
I can't imagine myself worshiping a god that has been beaten black and blue by jacob

And who the hell said it was GOD that was beaten black and blue by jacob??.......

I've always told myself and others Ànd even atheists,that no one is an ATHEIST...........all we have are a bunch of renegade kids who have chosen to live independent lives devoid of the direction of there creator..........all we have are persons who want to do what they like without any constraints.................ifeness has shown first hand on this thread that he isn't an atheist........but Just a hater of Christianity and the almighty GOD...............

Mr_Anony: So in other words you will "hate the sin but love the sinner"?

E be like u wan put person for tight corner ba??

obadiah777: LOL CHIEF FIELD MARSHALL CEO ALHAJI DR HONORABLE IJAWKID I TROWAY SALUTE SIR. BEEN A WHILE AINT IT ? I DONT KNOW ABOUT AZONTO AND ETIGI. SCRIPTURE DO SAY DO NOT GO INTO THE WAYS OF THE HEATHENS

Hehehehehehehe............me no know where etigi and azonto dance emanate from o............

Meanwhile where have you been??.....you no dey even email your boy again...I loyal oooo....

mumumugu: we are all racist. We saperate our white cloth from black clotq before washing. We saperate the black burnt rice from white rice before eating.racism applies everywhere

Lmao.....mugumugu u don craze finish...I don laugh quench

obadiah777: YOU LINK FROM ALL OVER THE BOOK. NO SUCH THING AS SEEING ONE IN THE LIGHT OF THE OTHER. IF AT ALL WE HAVE TO SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR ASSERTION OF SEEING ONE FROM THE OTHER IT IS THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE IN THE LIGHT OF THE OLD BECAUSE THE OLD CONTAINS ALL THE GROUNDWORK AND PLATFORM AND FUNDAMENTALS FOR THE NEW. SPEAKING OF THE AZONTO, THATS ONE LAME DANCE. I AM QUITE PARTIAL TO THE HARLEM-SHAKE MYSELF

Hehehehehehehehehe.........azonto aint lame.....I love it.......you could learn etigi too.....

Goshen please send me an email message.....I lost your email address...............

MacDaddy01: .....and they all lived happily ever after!


I also wish that to be true but christianity breeds both positive spirituality and fundamentalism. So you have the extremist christians on one side and the good christians on the other.


So, Atheists can get along with secular christians just fine but for fundamentalist- which majority of Nigerian christians are, impossible!

You forget you are an extremist atheist........

victor-NR-ceo:
@ooman,logicboy03 and some other atheist,plz enlighten me on how and who created this planet earth,other planets and other creations like sun,stars,moon. Or just tell me how they all came to existence. I Really wan2 an analytical and proof-directed explanation(scientific or observational based).

They will tell u it came by some random chance.........they'll attribute It to the big slam.......fools is what they all are.........

rezzy: We have one God, who manifest in three places

Ahhh!!!!.....now I know what your problem is....you need to be purged off the trinity/modalism doctrine............

The scriptures and Jesus himself said we have just one true GOd and that person is no one else but the Father...I don't know where your 1 God who manifest in three places stems from..........you better throw away that pagan dogma and embrace the truth.........God is not a multi-faced combo.............

rezzy: But i tot the bible was written by the inspiration of God, so if God has inspired Matthew to use the word worship, why must it be changed?

The greek word from which the word worship is rendered from connotes more than one meaning...........it is the renderers that are the problem and not what matthew was inspired to write............

I opened the darby(not the NWT) translation to show you the main point but you're still not understanding.............
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Please compare these renderings of matthew 18:26 as regards the use of the word worship,when to use it and how it should be applied contextually.......
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##..New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"So the slave fell to the ground and
prostrated himself before him, saying, 'Have
patience with me and I will repay you
everything.'

##..International Standard Version (©2012)
Then the servant fell down and bowed low
before him, saying, 'Be patient with me, and I
will repay you everything!'

##..King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The servant therefore fell down, and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all.

##..Darby Bible Translation
The bondman therefore falling down did him
homage, saying, Lord, have patience with me
and I will pay thee all.

##..English Revised Version
The servant therefore fell down and
worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all.
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The KJV and the ENglish revised standard rendered the greek word as worship but the others used the most appropraite expressions for the sake of clarity............ofcus we know the slave in that verse did not worship his master as if the master was his GOD or the one true GOD(the Father),rather the slave paid homage ,did obeiscance,bowed down(an act of respect for his master),prostrated etc..........

viruz007: Who is the owner/founder/groom of the church? Who laid its foundations?

See the perfect answer.......

Ephesians 2:19-20...

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners
and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s
people and also members of his household,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and
prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the
chief cornerstone.
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If our practices(form of worship) or teachings do not stem from the bolded(foundation) then we are on our own...........

Ubenedictus: no my dear! I just heard d accusation by enigma, i simply asked oga truth to tell me if enigma is lying. And up till now he has refused to ansa.

First of all ask enigma what he intends to achieve by asking a question that he's got answers to...........enigma knows the answer..................ask am.......the question is so irrelevant..............because I had cleared the air as to hebrews 1:6.......I expected enigma to had concured rather he asked another question wey no get head.............

Ubenedictus: it is a valid question, well on topic, u dont need to beat around d bush, yes or no is fine.

Don't you know the answer to your question??........

truthislight: you need to use your head to think.

When did what Enigma said became my headech? Was i the one that gave him mouth and hand?

Stop it if it is a joke!

Imagine the rubbish!

It is not my problem the choice of word any body chose to express the word of God as long as it does not CONTRADICT the rest of the scriptures.

Am not interested in what you are saying and asking.

Should i be angry that by tomorrow the name of Yahweh is restored in all bible or i should be happy?

What silly question are you asking me?

Because a translation once removed the name of Yahweh befor and subsuently found out that it was a wrong step and re-introduces it back to where it belongs in the scriptures, i should get angry? Then what purpose will i be serving?

The truth or i will be standing for a lie?

Whether the NWT changed a word in their bible to ensure a none contradictory translation or not i dont know and that is not my interest, but rather, a consistent and none contradictory word of God is what i want.

What i am interested in is that people dont cause the word of God to contradict itself,
and that rendering of the word of God that will not confuse people and lead people astray is my interest.

And that ^^ should be the interest of all lovers of Yahweh.

Dont ask me silly question, let him that have the issue carry it.

Even if the NWT change, not Just a word but words in english language to ensure consistency of the word of God, i say that is a step in the right direction and i will want to read that bible that does not have contradictory statements.

Even the english words have conotations and new and better words comes up every day and we humans upgrade our english also.

the English that is use today was not the kind that was in used in shakespares era.

What is wrong in ensuring that the truth is clearly stated and ensuring that there are no errors?
Dont you know that life is involved?

Should i gamble with my life by taking chances with errors?

(1 Timothy 2:3-4).
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

The bolded is so right.............the question ube and enigma are asking are so jejune............smh!!!......

How does the NWT using words like obeiscance,bowing down and adore in replacement of the word ""worship"" for the sake of unambiguity now be the bane of this discussion??..........

Smh!!!!....

Ubenedictus: So ijawkid is around. Pls, can u help truthislight ansa d questions i asked.

What would the answer do for you??............eh??.........

Lol..........

rezzy: I mean i have confirmed it from the JW bible. In matt 2 vs 2, the word worship was not used, why? If in every portion of the bible where the word worship is found has the same greek word, then why must Nwt change it to adore or honour when its talking about Jesus? If they want to remove worship, then they should totally remove it, not using adore or honour when it comes to Jesus and retain d word worship when it comes to God. I think the reason is to suit that doctrine.

Why shouldn't worship in its realest sense be retained exclusively for GOD??.......how many true Gods do we have??...is it not Just the Father alone??........

The NWT has been consistent with its rendering of the word ""worship""...........

Take a look at this rendering of matthew 2:2..from the darby translation.

Darby Bible Translation
Where is the king of the Jews that has been
born? for we have seen his star in the east,
and have come to do him homage.
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Using the word worship in that verse would make it look like those men took the baby Jesus as there God and then rendered worship to him.........worship could still be used but the reader should discern which aspect of the greek word is been implied there....for more accuracy and unambiguity words like adore,pay homage,bow down are used.........

And again you're still saying the NWT "changed"......is it only the NWT that changed??.............look up the darby rendering........thank you...........

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striktlymi: Oga Goshen why you wan kidnap my point na?

That is the point I am making...God is the one who gives consent to a marriage. Now if we want to rank, which would be more appropriate to confirm this consent?


1) Consent of the individuals
2) Consent from the parent
3) Blessings from the church

I believe the 3 are important but what is needed is just 1) and 3).

there are times our parents might not give their consent but this does not mean that we can't still get married.

The bolded tight no be small.....you got a gooÐ point there bro.....

Enigma: I have also seen something similar; in fact I understand that in even Hebrews 1:6 where they originally left 'worship', they changed the word in a later edition. In any event, the Jehovah's Witnesses are widely regarded as tailoring their version of the Bible to fit their preconceived doctrines.

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Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And let all
the angels of God adore him.
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Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them bow
before him -
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@enigma the rendering of the NWT is perfectly alright..........context should tell you when and how to render the greek word ""pro·sky·ne′o.............persons who want to claim Jesus is the almighty God would rush to render that greek word as worship to make it look like Jesus is the almighty GOD that deserves exclusive devotion,when we all know that both Jesus and all the angels worship the Father..............the angels bowed down by giving Jesus all due respect as Gods annointed one........chikena!!!!......

Read this scripture below from KJV.......
1 chronicles 29:20,23

20 And David said to all the congregation, Now
bless the LORD your God. And all the
congregation blessed the LORD God of their
fathers, and bowed down their heads, and
worshipped[/b]the LORD, and the king.

23... Then Solomon sat on the [b]throne of the
LORD as king instead of David his father, and
prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.
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Reading that verse would seem like david was also worshipped as God.......but NO...........

the isrealites bowed down to Yahweh and his appointed king who sat on his(Yahwehs) throne................

The NWT is so damn perfect with its rendering at hebrews 1:6......

Goshen360: You want make I cain you ni. I said, under the law of Moses, in order to pay dowry, the man must lay with the woman. That's the pre-requisite for paying dowry. Otherwise, no dowry o....if no laying. Abi I wan buy market make I no see how product be ni.....

As I no be JEW how e go be na??................I be isrealite eh my elder brother??....lol......