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musKeeto: Yes. All you need to do is visualise God, and cause him to exist. An atheist is one who has lots his 'GOD visualisation' power...

Logicboy03: https://markgubuan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/oxygen_molecule.jpg

musKeeto: A true MOG promises you spiritual blessings, while enjoying your physical blessings.

A true MOG is above questioning, only answerable to God, because He's God's special ones.

A true MOG has mastered the art of selling the gospel for profits.

Bidam: And i thought this guy is an Adventist. Do you still observe the Sabbath? or are you just being hypocritical here to draw attention.

alexleo: Why dont you also show us in the bible where Jesus said we shouldnt give tithe and where the apostles said we shouldnt give tithe? You people are just deceiving yourselves and your pride makes you think you know the bible now more than before. Satanic deceit. RUN AWAY FROM IT.

Ubenedictus: hehehe, it seem the contemporary definition of church is : "an organisation of people of similar religious interest especially linked with Jesus christ".

italo: Why can't they form a "church" when you can form yours?

Dnaz: Where is it written in d bible dat u are alive?

frosbel2: I was banned for 2 days for calling the Pope the Anti-Christ

frosbel2: Thanks Sis, I am just imperfect like you. Let's see what the bible says :

"For you have been called to live in freedom, my brothers and sisters. But don't use your freedom to satisfy your sinful nature. Instead, use your freedom to serve one another in love." - Galatians 5:13

Freedom is free from the traditions , rules and regulations of religion .

We are free to follow ONLY Jesus and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, not the over a million MAN Made laws and lies.

musKeeto: d way ijawkid dey attracted to this pages, i don dey suspect am sef..

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Mr_Anony2: You are mistaking God's freewill with human freewill. The fact that God has a will which is superior to man's does not therefore mean that man has no freewill.

The passages you have shown only prove that God CAN override man's will if He so chooses but they do not prove that God HAS NOT given man freewill.

I'll focus on John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Notice that the bold is NOT the same as: No one can resist the Father when the Father draws him

I'll give you an example: "No one can come to Mazaje's party unless Mazaje invites him". This does not mean that the people who mazaje has invited therefore lack the freewill to refuse to attend his party.

Bearing this in mind, compare it to the parable of the wedding feast in Matthew 22:1-14; Notice that God is calling out to everybody and yet the ability to resist His call remains with you.

If you are going to honestly criticize biblical teaching, you must accurately critique the whole of it and not pick a few verses you like in isolation out of the entire scriptural mesh.

For more on this; you can look up this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/996184/grace-destiny-vs-freewill-brethren.


(Do check it out; Ihedinobi, 5Solas, andromida and I plus a few more people really had an interesting conversation on that thread.

P/s: Things really kick off at around the middle of the second page)

Ubenedictus: that is very correct, many a time none cardinals have been pope, none bishops too and other times none priests. But recently we havent had a none priest. Who knows maybe the cardinal will suprise somebody, though i honestly doubt that. If a none priest emerge that means the cardinal couldnt reach a decision early that means a long conclave.

greatgenius: this is one of the biggest lie you have ever been told in your life.. by that statement you should agree then that your god is no where near a deity of unconditional love.. An unconditional loving, self sufficient and Omnipotent deity should lack and need nothing( this is the nature of the infinite creator).. your statement describes more of what a "devil"( if there was ever such a thing or being as the devil) will do than a God to me.. some of you read the bible and memorizes it without reason and actual understanding of the contents.. like i always say Christians are just as lost as the atheist..

greatgenius: again why shouldn't churches support gay rights? are gays less of a human because they indulge in an unnatural act..are they second class humans?.. your all inclusive messiah Jesus will be proud..you all christians make a mockery of God..

greatgenius: i dont think all atheist or the heterosexual ones at least, support homosexuality..supporting gay rights is not the same thing as supporting the unnatural act.. no sane man should support the act but being gay should not make you less of a human and thus deny you certain rights.. oppressing and denying gays their rights is not an act of love but evil..

Logicboy03: Lol...a lot of churches actually support gay rights.


Furthermore, not all atheists support gay marriage


The truth is not constant. Last time I checked, Yahweh loved slavery and stoning of witches in the old testament. Didnt he change his mind int he new testament

Logicboy03: Mastrub.ation and homosexuality have never been bad. It is religious and conservative cultures that felt it was bad.


However, truth changes based on evidence. Morality too should.

It was okay for companies to send workers into abestos made structures and now that we have found the substance to be deadly, any company that sends workers to such place will be fined and sued

Logicboy03: Lies. And the Pharisees didnt read the scriptures abi? Remember that their scriptures were no adulterated like the ones you have now.

kwangi: A bit extreme? That's an attack!
Just accept that.
Ofcourse, you can't be humble and be in fight mode at the same time! That's why there is lack of humility and 'unwillingness to hide their lack of belief".
Your choice of words are interesting. The way you couched the part about belief...
...Lack of belief! Everybody lacks belief!!!
The question is, in what? There are two ways to say that.
-their lack of belief in the supernatural.
-their belief in the non-existence of the supernatural.
Their (atheist) lack of belief in the supernatural is inevitably a belief in something else. I noticed it was convenient for you to just write lack of belief and just stop there.
Since religion is a belief system, don't you think atheism falls into that category? Atleast, the law courts in your dear country thinks it is.

TV01: Evening All,

I’ve been following the thread and whilst I’ve been coalescing thoughts and even prepping to post, I’ve not been opportuned to contribute further.

I’d like to respond to a couple of questions posed about my thoughts on the “causality”.

Currently science has not determined that there is a genetic link to homosexual behaviour. No peer-reviewed, critically acclaimed studies have been able to prove this link. Although there have been a few discredited studies making that claim.

However, I will not dismiss a possible genetic/biological cause – even if only in part – for the following reasons;

1. It not having been shown doesn’t mean it does not exist

2. “For honesty’ sake” – as a Christian, I make that very same claim about God. A lack of scientific evidence for His existence, is not sufficient to deny it.

3. I make a claim to personally having encountered God, making the need for scientific affirmation a moot point. Likewise even as the discussion progresses, someone has contributed, saying her inclination in this regard has been with her since as far back as she can remember.

As a Christian, I see sodomy – not the deceitful/reformed word Homosexuality or the re-invention “gay” – as a practice – and an unnatural one. Not an immutable identity (like blackness say), or an innate orientation (like left-handedness). I use those H & G terms in discussions merely to be polite and to give leave to contemporary speech. I am not deceived by those terms.

Regardless of the current cultural view promulgated as ideology by the LGBT lobby, it is not simply and wholly a “natural orientation that people have no power over”. That is no more than a ploy to reduce resistance to it and piggy back of the civil rights movement.

Historically it was closely linked to – so as to be almost indistinguishable from– pederasty (paedophillia). Indeed the LGBT special interest group (SIG), is at a loss and decidedly silent on the homosexual scandals - specifically the child secs abuse - rocking the catholic church. It’s not because the priests are unable to marry (in a traditional sense), it’s normal sodomitic practice. It’s a well known fact that a large number – if not an outright majority – of catholic priests (in the West at least) are homosexually inclined. They could just as easily engaged with each other or rent boys outside the church. Perhaps at some point we’ll move on to discuss the wider spiritual implications of sodomy and all forms of scripturally illicit secs.

Homosexuality was previously on record as a psychiatric disorder, being finally removed in the 70’s due to Lobbying (as have medical terms around the pathologies such as “Gay Bowel Syndrome”).

There is no doubt that early stage trauma (for example secsual abuse), or disruption to the natural order of a childs development can trigger this inclination. That is well researched and documented fact.

Even recently we hear of people deciding to change orientation. One of the women from the SecsInTheCity program recently changed orientation after 15 years in a marriage (not sure if common law or legal) with children. The bombardment by the LBGT lobby has worked in culturally shifting this from being percieved as an unnatural act to a natural feeling, from secs to love. Society will ultimately suffer the consequences if it - no pun intended – swallows this lie.

Even if causality is a spectrum? From natural (even in part) to a simple choice (which we have seen). It doesn’t change my position. Man is a fallen creature. Christians see all dysfunction as a result of this fall – and sin in the world - regardless of origins.

And note this key point; nature is not necessarily a determinant of behaviour (scotching meaningless cliches like “why are all black people violent” etc.). Otherwise these same arguments can be applied to almost all harmful behaviours, sexual or otherwise. A sociopaths charter.

Youngsters go through a vulnerable and impressionable period through their formative years. It’s not very difficult to condition them to believe and accept that homosexuality is natural and normal. How much more with the promulgation of Gay ideology (and hip, high profile gay icons), through the media and now via state sponsorship. It’s essential that children are raised as much as possible in the right setting – traditional marriage – with the right nurture.

And whatever its causes it’s sin. And as sin abounds, grace abounds much. And what of demonic influence? Especially early? Whatever the cause, Christ can set you free.


God bless
TV



Note: homosexuality is not found universally in all cultures/societies, mitigating against a genetic link. In those that it is, it is typically considered an abomination. Where it is considered neutral or encouraged, it typically proliferates. It is always more common and accepted in urban as opposed to rural areas. And always more amongst the wealthy, educated, liberal elite, hence it’s seemingly overwhelming – although unrepresentative – support.

Ihedinobi: Dude, it really won't kill you to think a little or tell a little truth. Every belief is a disbelief rotated 180°. If I believe that God exists, I cannot also believe that He doesn't so my belief in God's existence is a disbelief in His inexistence. Conversely, a disbelief in God's existence is a belief in His in existence just like InesQor said. It is disingenous to insist you have no beliefs when you do have and admit that you do have disbeliefs.

Logicboy03: Why shouldnt they get married? Because of your religion? What if they are buddhists? Or Wiccans?

Marriage existed before your religion, so shut up. It has no right to legislate in marriage.

Logicboy03: And the failed pieces of advice keep coming.


You people should listen to debosky!

Logicboy03: Chastity for life? Is that a solution you offer?

I wouldnt call 2 gay men married for over 20 years to be a picked up habit.

Hettymoore: I hate when people talk about things they no nothing about, I am a lesbian aand it wasn't by choice. I never chose to be like this, I was born this way. growin up as a child even in my primary sch I never crushed on boys bt girls. I dint have a childhood cos I grew up thinkin something was wrong wit me and I cudnt tel anyone abt it. i started battling wit this sinc i ws 4yrs. I had sex for d first time finkin it wud mk the urge go away bt it dint. no one around me wil believe that am a lesbian and is a shame that people judge others by their sexuality instead of their personality. stop judging and let God be d judge pls!