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Early this year, April, i picked a tokunbo Golf 3 SW for my father. I took it to him a month later.

Before the purchase, i was in a serious dilemma : Golf 3 SW or Vento. Personally, i always go for Sedan. But i was scared that the mechanics down there may not know much about Vento, even though they are the same, except the bodies of course. I was thinking my father would find it difficult to source for Vento parts in Anambra state, especially the body parts, since i wasn't sure how common Vento is over there. I eventually got him the Golf 3 SW which he was happy to see when i drove in from Abuja.

I personally decided on Golf 3 for him, because i had to consider the mechanics available over there. Getting him a car with complex electrics wont be helpful, since i won't be there to be fixing the car for him. He called me oneday and told me the car developed a minor electrical problem. He took to an electrician who asked him to come back and pick the car later in the day. He got back and picked the vehicle which has been fixed. He got home and observed that the radiator fan was spinning constantly. What could i do? Nothing. He knew about the factory fan setting because i explained to him and asked him not to allow anyone tamper with the fan's connection. I was angry why would the electrician meddle with what was not an issue with the car.

Aside the above issue, he is yet to call me to complain of any issue. Even there is one, it would have been taken care of by those quack mechanics. And that's exactly why i got her the car. But to be honest, i do regret sometimes not getting him Vento instead. But why should i, when the old man is enjoying the car?

The point am trying to make is that I would choose Vento over Golf 3, simply because i prefer sedan to hatchback and SW. And also, they can be used and maintained easily anywhere.

Ikenna.

tommysparks: Henry check your mass airflow meter it might just be dirty or bad, and scan d car maybe your engine coils and plug caps are bad too.

Did it occur to you thay the scan port from the donor car will be missing in the Dodge? Was the scan port transferred to the Dodge Caravan during the conversion? Or do you think the Dorge port must have been connected to work with the Toyota engine ECU? Though, if the Dodge is pre-1996, then it will likely not have OBD-II port, unless OBD.

If at all the port is available and properly connected, do you know how many codes that will pop up if scanned? Nearly all the error codes programmed into the Toyota engine ECU will appear on the poor scanner, considering the terrible wiring job that was done. So, don't add more nightmares to poor OP. But then, it's not a bad idea to scan the car though, if it will be possible. But there are already obvious components missing which one doesn't need scanner to tell him they need to be installed before you even think of troubleshooting the vehicle.

That reminds me, was the Toyota instrument cluster swapped in as well? If not, it means you won't get to know the state of your engine management at every point in time since the CEL will be missing. Because the Caravan CEL must have been wired differently to the Caravan engine ECU which has been removed.

About speedo, i wouldn't know if the Caravan speedo on the cluster is controlled by cable or electric? If its cable, wahala dey be dat. If it's electric, wahala dey too, though it can be made to work, depending on how good one is. The speed sensor on the transmission report to something else before it gets to speedo in the cluster. I don't know the system of the caravan, so i won't comment much here. But since the transmission was replaced as well, it won't be that easy to make the speedo work.


What about the tachometer? Were they able to make it work? In newer engines, the tachometer is controlled by engine ECU, while in the older engines with conventional ignition coil and distributor, the tachometer can be connected to run from the ignition coil 2 terminals, which is very simple to connect. But note that V6 tacho won't work properly when connected to an I4 ignition system. Fo example, if you connect an I4 tacho to a v6 ignition system, the tacho will over read. For example, if the actual engine speed is at 1k rpm, you may be seeing 2k rpm or more. You will never know the true rpm of the car, especially when at idle, which is very important to know your rpm at idle.

Anyway, let him sort out the injection issues first. Maybe, he just have to live with the absence of the others.

Ikenna.

@ Siena,

I do know that Benz W124 petrol I6 runs with 2 electric FP (Fuel pumps). One is big, while the other is small. But then, the W124 petrol I4s run only 1 electric FP. If the I6 could run with 1 FP, they wouldn't have bothered with another FP. But then, it's mechanical injection, if am correct.

My ZN3J, in my 505 V6, runs 2 FPs too: 1 main/external pump and 1 in-tank pump (inside tank). But then, there are other 505s with EFI Petrol I4 that have only 1 FP, main/external pump. Note that both are EFIs.

Notwithstanding, systems differ. My ES9J4S in my 406 V6 D9 Fuel pressure is controlled by engine ECU via the FP. The system lacks FPR, sp the ECU controls the pressure of fuel by telling the FP amount of fuel to suck and push towards the engine, depending on what the throttle sensor tells the ECU via the level of thottle pedal/butterfly Motorised throttle body. But my ZN3J has FPR and maintains 3,0 bar on the fuel rail.

Like i said, you could be right about the Dodge FP working well with the 2.0 L Toyota engine (even i do not know the specific Toyota engine he swapped in), since i do not know their EFI systems set up.

Ikenna.

If truly your radiator electric fan(s) is controlled by the CTS, then there should be a trigger. CTS shouldn't be the trigger. It could be the engine ECU or a module, which monitors the engine temp via CTS and triggers on the fans when the need arises.

The engine ECU or the module that triggers the fan does connect directly to the fan. It has to pass through a fuse or relay. If i were you, i would start with these two.

Ikenna.

aejaywhite: pls can i come over to see you wt d car so dat u cn run a scan? i stay in abj

Let's discuss this off Car Talk. Text or mail me. Find details below in mg signature.

Ikenna.

Henry Raphael: Oga Ikenna,really one may say i didnt ask before going into it,i did,go to Ladipo,they will tell you,that Dodge engine is not reliable besides mechanic runs from them,just convert to toyota that is more reliable everybody knows,i bought everything brain box,engine and gear box,now i newly change the fuel pump,though i told him to use toyota fuel pump,but he said no.may be there is something he didnot connect well,that makes it to blow by if raived,He said something of breathing of air difference,you have handled issues bigger than this here,i have been reading your post,there is no catalyst converter,no 02,no air filter,can all these be d issue of weak power unless i tarp it small,but blow by if raived.

I wasn't suggesting you should have come to Nairaland to find out if such conversion would work. Besides, you just confirmed what i believed made you do such conversion: V6 vs I4 Nigerian mentality; Toyota engines are the most reliable, etc.

You just confirmed, also, what i stated above. You made it obvious in your above post that the wiring conversion was not done with the wiring schematics.

How could one set up an EFI system without o2 sensor in the system? And to make matters worse, no Airfilter? What specie of clown did that conversion biko nu? How on Earth would the AFM, MAP or MAF do its work then in the absence of Airfilter box or the any form of air intake?

Engine wiring conversion is not a drop swap. It has to be modified to work with the Engine ECU and some of the engine components that will need +ve supply from battery via relays. Most ECUs will have more than 1 ground supply to manage the engine properly. Were they all grounded?

How could one downgrade from 3.0 L to 2.0 L without considering that both fuel pump may have different psi for the fuel injectors to work properly ? Was the repair manual of both engines "consulted" to find out what psi the fuel rails of both engines require to run? What about the FPR of both engines? Do they hold the same amount fuel pressure?

Like i have been singing, the mechanical part of conversion is not where the problem is, but the electrical one. If you had swapped in a fuel carburreted engine instead, this thread may not have been created.

Yes, i have handled issues more severe than yours before. My Baby is a good example. But i can't help without wiring schematics of both engines in your case.

From what you have explained above, an abuse, on the highest order, was metted on that car. It was a terrible electrical conversion.

Well, if you have the schematics, you can start by installing and connecting all the missing injection components, if you really want to run that engine in that car. That's a start.

Ikenna.

icemann: And you are defending your post. Can't you see your bad use of English from the earlier post?

And this is all you can come up with? My bad use of English? Lol!

By the way, the post was directed at Seun and not you. How did that become your headache?

Ikenna

icemann: If you don't have something nice to say please don't post.

And your point is?

Ikenna

Siena:

@ Ikenna: Carburettor engines can still be bought, either used, factory refurbished or brand new. Examples are the VW Golf 1, Honda Accord, BMW E21/E30, Mercedes-Benz W124, Peugeot 504/505 etc. The carburettor engines are still available from their respective dealerships.

I've just shipped a brand new crate carburettor engine to Ghana, a 1.6 carburettor unit for a 1989 Vauxhall/Opel Cavalier.

About 3 years ago, a mechanic in Austarlia ordered for a brand new PRV engine produced in the early '80s for a customer of his. The dead engine was replaced with the new one. Weeks later, the whole engine oil was gone. Every part of the engine was leaking oil. Eventually, the engine was opened up and rebuilt.

The mechanic found another new PRV engine and placed an order for another customer of his who was interested. As soon as the engine arrived, he simply opened up the engine and replaced all the seals and rings, before the engine was swapped in. A brand new engine, but has to be rebuilt to be used. The longer an engine stays unused, the more the seals harden and would fail when next it's used, whether it's used or new engine.

Well, i didn't know one could still get a brand new XN1 engine, like you pointed out. But if i would have to open the engine to replace all the seals and rings to use the engine, then i wouldn't call it a new engine then.

Ikenna.

Seun: Is this helpful?

Yes, absolutely, it is.

You buy a can of petrol, pour it on you vehicle and ignite her. After the car burn finish, you come to me to complain you don't have a car anymore. What do you expect me to say to you? Sorry?

Ikenna.

If we are to go with the content of your post, your "NEW" Toyota engine must be an EFI engine then, because I don't see where one can still see a brand new fuel carburetted engine buy on this planet Earth. Unless you got it from Mars, anyway.

If truly the engine is EFI, did that clown that did the electrical part of the conversion thinks that the engine wiring harness would be a simply drop? Was the harness installation done with the new toyota engine wiring schematics? What made him think the two injection systems are the same?

I may have sounded harsh here, but the nature of this thread called for it. Simple, revert your car how it was when you got her, if you truly want to use that car. If the original engine has failed, find the exact engine for replacement.

Take it from me, if you continue to use that car in the present state, that your NEW Toyota engine will die before you even recover from your present nightamre. It's your call.

Ikenna.

Siena: No advice for you from me, besides getting the CORRECT 3.0 V6 engine back in place.

If I'd adviced against this alien "installation", I doubt you'd have listened anyway. Your bed, lie in it!

The main problem is that he seems not to acknowledge that he created the problem and brought it upon himself.

Ikenna.

@ ZIM DRILL,

I think you really don't get it. It's a mindset thing bro.

Nigeria is a country where a Nigerian will tell you "You are poor, thats why you couldn't afford auto trans car" or " You bought a manual trans car because you couldn't afford auto trans car". Yes, i get these a lot. Some have even asked me "If Peugeot had produced 505 V6 auto trans car, wouldn't you have gone for auto trans of the car instead of the manual trans i bought?" I would wonder in silence, " If 505 didn't get auto tranny, how come 404 got?"

I met someone the other day who bought a Peugeot 406 auto trans. While congratulating him, he told me the 406 is "American specc". I asked him who told him that, he said it was the car dealer that sold the car to him. I couldn't help but wonder if there is Canada and USA in Europe i do not know of. Things we do to sell our cars!

Some will tell you they prefer American spec cars since they come with airbags everywhere in the car, while Euro spec cars come with only 2 or 3 airbags. Yet, the death on our highways have not reduced.

When people are ready to replace their auto trans severally before they get rid their cars, what can you do? When people are scared to travel with their auto trans cars, simply because of fear the trans may decide to give up while into the journey.

Thank God that the brand of car i like sells in Europe, meaning, i will always get the manual version of any of their products am interested in.

But then, there is nothing wrong with auto transmission. But one should be ready to live with it's annoyances or deal with it.

Ikenna.

aejaywhite: 206. D dashboard ws brought wwen d evaporator ws changed. Dts wen d Ac\vent tin startednt want dose apo guys to tamper wt d car again

Well, since the problem started after the dashboard was brought down and re-mounted, it's obvious then that something wrong was done while re-mounting the dashboard. I can't tell from here since i was not there to know what he must have connected wrongly while mounting it back. I think PP2000 can tell what wrong was done, since the car Ventilation system/climate control has its own ECU, which other univeral scanners can't read.

Ikenna.

aejaywhite: Ikenna sup...d AC of my "^ blows intermittently ( air doesnt come out frm d vents after like 30mins) but u cn still hear dt air rush sound. The dashboard ws brought down sometime ago when the evaporator was changed...pls hw can this be rectified. forgot to mention that when the AC is put on, the pressure of air coming out from the vents is somewhat low....(wat could be d cause
Also, the fuel guage does not give me d accurate reading...
Waiting for ur reply bro.

What car is it? RHD convert or Factory LHD?

Ikenna.

aejaywhite: Ikenna sup...d AC of my "^ blows intermittently ( air doesnt come out frm d vents after like 30mins) but u cn still hear dt air rush sound. The dashboard ws brought down sometime ago when the evaporator was changed...pls hw can this be rectified. forgot to mention that when the AC is put on, the pressure of air coming out from the vents is somewhat low....(wat could be d cause
Also, the fuel guage does not give me d accurate reading...
Waiting for ur reply bro.

I don't know the engine in your car, but would suggest you start by cleaning the IAC or stepper motor, depending on one on your engine. Also, clean the throttle body. Use carb cleaner for the cleaning. Remember to lubricate the IAC or spray WD-40 inside the IAC, after the carb cleaner has dried.

Or you simply scan the car.

Ikenna.

beoceo: Pls check vin VF38BRHZE81152633

Details below:


1. Vehicle Family: 406 (Restyling ).

2. Silhouette : 4 Door Saloon.

3. Warranty start date: 16/08/2000.

4. BER: e2*98/14*0188*02.

5. Driving Position : LHD.

6. Engine: DW10ATED, 2.0 L, HDI, 110 hp.

7. Transmission : 5-speed manual transmission (BVM5).

8. Fuel type: Diesel Fuel.

9. Paint type: Metallic Paintwork.

10. Badge: ST.

11. Other badge: HDI.

12. Steering : Unvariable Power Steering.

13. Diesel Filter Water Detection: Without.

14. Catalytic Converter : 3 parts Catalyst.

15. Fuel supply cutoff: With.

16. Fan: 1 Fan 350W.

17. Clutch: Hydraulic clutch.

18. Wheel style: Steel wheel.

19. Tyre (size,type): 195/65 R15 H tyre.

20. ABS: With.

21. Brake type: Ventilated front discs/Rear discs.

22. Suspension: Normal.

23. Electronic Stabilty Program (ESP): Without.

24. Windscreen wiper: with rain sensor.

25. Front Fog lights: With.

26. Exterior mirrors: Heated Electric control.

27. Spare wheel: Standard tyre.

28. Sun roof: Fixed roof (without).

29. Front seats: Manual control.

30. Front seats Armrest: fitted with Armrest.

31. Compact Disc (CD changer): Without.

32. Rear windows lift: Electric control.

33. A/C: With.

34. Cruise control: Without.

35. Daylight Running Lights : With.

36. Multiplexing: Without.

37. Speed monitoring: Without.

Etc.




Ikenna.

beoceo: Pls check vin VF38BRHZE81152633

Sorry, i have not forgotten your request. Been busy lately. Will do the check as soon as i can. Good morning.

Ikenna.

smartchoice: okay....still waiting for you on the ancient but treasured cars thread

Done.

https://www.nairaland.com/1418553/what-ancient-car-still-drive/3#17915073


Ikenna.

My 1986 Peugeot 505 V6, 5-speed Manual Transmission, My Baby!

Ikenna.

[quote author=mondi_cheeks]Please i want N200,000 car [/quote]https://www.nairaland.com/autos


Ikenna.

bomb: He wants to buy an accidented Peugeot 607. Its damages to the front include radiator, condenser, compressor, etc in the front. Two front air bags. Advises pls

If I want a 607, I would go for one with everything intact. It's a Luxurious car. After owing it's predecessor, 605, i certainly know what am saying. Stay away if in a shape as the one you mentioned.

But after owing 605, i can tell you 607 will be a sweet ride to own, especially the series 2, since the 607 has the same body structure/engine chassis. The body difference is in the shape, but the skeleton are similar. Drive and tell us the rest.

Ikenna.

beoceo: Please I need an expert mechanic on 406 in lagos, the engine of the car sounds like one of the plugs is not functional but I was told the engine needs fine tuning to run normal

I would you scan the car instead. There are other sensors/components that can cause rough idling and mis-firing too. Don't waste your money replacing what doesn't need to be replaced.

Ikenna.

677ano: most cars currently have electronic speed limiters and they can be removed by the owners via the car menu

Because it's not yet to a Law. When it becomes a Law, you won't have that option.

Ikenna.

I wonder if Germany will support this. If they do, what about Autobahn?

Ikenna.

lonelydora: I don't think I can ever buy thAt kind of snAil-speed car. So going to Abuja from Ph will tAke me all day.

It should take you longer than that sef to get to PH from Abuja in this situation.

Imagine all cars on the highway doing only 100 km/h. Meaning, all vehicles will line up and overtaken is out of the question, since nearly all cars are doing the same speed. How do you think you can successfully overtake a queue of 20 cars close to each doing 100 km/h, with just 110 km/h which is the maximum speed? Before you slowly get to the 5th car, an on coming vehicle will surely meet and send you to mortuary straight.

With a busy road like Abuja-Lokoja highway, it may take one, during December Holidays trip, 8 or 9 hours from Abuja to Lokoja. Then from Lokoja to Enugu, that one na 2 or 3 days journey be dat, considering the 9th Mile nightmares during those Xmas period.

Ikenna.

platinumricky: Wow! i hope this bill doesnt get approved!! Apart from ending the horsepower warfare in performance circles, tuners like hamann, carlsson, brabus, lorinser and others will likely start closing shop because they make most of their profit from speed crazy clients.
Imagine driving a Veyron at 70mph! suicides rates will be on the increase in the EU!!!

Lol!

Ikenna.

karaye: Its 406 2001 model,whta is D9?.thank you

D9 is 406 produced from 1999 - 2008. It's also known as phase II or face-lifted 406.

It's the one Nigerians call Prestige, even though the Prestige is one of the Nigerian or PAN 406 badge.

Ikenna.

davonny: Good morning MR IK. Pls how do I get PP2000 and how much is it.

Contact me off forum. Details in my signature.

Or find the seller here: https://www.nairaland.com/931712/peugeot-owners-program-new-keys

Ikenna.

Gee2728: Like JUO said it maybe optional. Like its been done on japan nissan GTR models, were the GPRS monitors were the car is and regulates its speed limits.

Check the link and read it well. It's not optional. All new cars, henceforth, if implemented, will come with it as default. Then all other cars will have to take their vehicles for the device to be installed. It's going to be compulsory and will be part of the MOT .


Ikenna.

karaye: @ikenna
Am frustrated that my 406 car is showin break light even if its off I always remove battery,went to mech they check fuses but d moment am back it continues.my fuel guage shows full always even if its empty,they loose tank check its ok,so they remove the lube in d dash board to change but all d ones are showin like my own,my mileage is now showin 000000,handbreak light showin even if its down and make noise,computer trip shows breakfliud level low despite that I guage it many times,my car doesn't off even if I remove the key until I remove my legs.pls I seriously need ur assistance as am frustrated.thank you[b][/b]

D8 or D9?

If it's D9, then someone must have done something wrong on the electrics of the car that have corrupted the BSI.

Scan the car with PP2000.

Ikenna.

[quote author=car-doctor]Well on point. Most aabuja car owners find it difficult to maintain their cars. Can't really explain the reason but it seem like they Don't cut their coats according to their sizes or just sheer paranoia of being ripped off by quacks.

Sometime ago, I had a customer drive into the workshop in a 2008 Infinity sports car wearing a N200k suit with hat and swagger stick to match. He could easily have passed for a Niger delta prince whose dad owns an oil well but wouldn't pay N5k for a simple scan on his car to ascertain why the car is giving him problems as the check engine light was on. His claim was that 5k was too much for a scan. He eventually carried his wahala away. Just one of too many but God help us.


Car-Doctor.[/quote]Lol! @ "carried his wahala away".

I have also observed that about 75% of cars, if not more, have their Check engine light lite permanently, irrespective of how clean the cars are. Yet, in this section, you read members claiming that they have used their cars for years with no issue at all. That all they do is change oil and filters. Is it because those cars have not stopped moving means they have no issues ? As as a car starts and moves, it has no issue?

Even some that there check engine lights are off, probably, were disconnected by our mechanics and auto electricians, so that they remain off permanently.

If they start MOT in Abuja, Abuja roads will turn to desert.

Ikenna.