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elektra80: what model of Golf? You are the same person saying Nigerians are bandwagon propaganda... so now they are no longer bandwagon propaganda or americans wanna be since Julius Berger use TDI's as their official car?

Since when did Julius Berger become a Nigerian company?

Ikenna.

For those that stay in Abuja, why do you think the giant company "Julius Berger" uses only VW diesels as officail vehicles? As far as am concerned, am yet to see Julius Berger official car that is petrol. Maybe there is, but am yet to see one. All i see is Golf TDIs.

Can we now say the company is wasteful? Or can we say they didn't see petrol Golfs to use as official vehicles if running them is cheaper? Every company would want to spend less in running an office, cutting down on cost of production. So if buying diesels and maintaining the TDIs is more expensive to them than using the petrol Golfs, why waste that resources ?

Remember, this is now in Nigeria, not Europe. So who can prove me wrong on this one? Hehehe!

Ikenna.

[quote author=baby-boy]I dont live in Nigeria, here in the UK most Nigerians or Afro-Caribbean avoided diesel engine cars because it sounds like a lorry and its not quick of the mark, but about 11 years ago I bought a Peugeot 406 1.9 diesel engine, and drove up to the North (somewhere between Liverpool and Manchester) and back to Kent on one tank of fuel, that was the day kissed good bye to petrol (when in Nigeria its different)

I finally sold it to my Polish neighbour who drove the car all the way Poland and back. The only problem with Peugeot diesel engine according to my Mech was the glow plug and changing it! but I didnt experience it when I had the BMW 325TD and the 320D

I now have my eyes on the A4 or A6 2 litre diesel engine[/quote]From the engine size, i want to believe the 406 was a D8.

The XUD series, such as yours, (and other Peugeot diesel engines) do require special tool to pull out the glowplug. Most times, because of the high mileage they will cover before they fail, they will get stuck. Such tool can be purchased if you want to do DIY ownership.

Ikenna.

@ electra80,

Did you say Autralians don't drive diesel cars that much? Where exactly are you getting all these your information from? Why are you trying so hard to prove a point with wrong information?

This thing with your "Nigerians can't afford newer Diesels, let's wait it out". Do you know how long HDI engines have been out there? How many Toyota Camry Pencil light, fish light, Big for Nothing and Muscle are out there on Nigerian road? How many Honda Accord Halla, Academy, Baby boy, EOD, Discussion continues and Evil spirit are out there on Nigerian road? Are you saying all these while Nigerians were buying these cars, modern diesel cars have not been in existence? When was Peugeot 406 production started and when did it end? Are you saying 406 HDIs never existed when the petrol versions were produced, used, sold and shipped into Nigeria for 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand use? Are you saying all those while Toyota Camry '98-2007 models never got modern diesel engines we all have been pointing out? So if majority of Nigerians can afford these used petrol cars sold between 1m - 3m or more, are you saying such amount couldn't have bought them the diesel counterparts? Haba!

About Nigeria switching from RHD to LHD, you brought it up and i stated if you want to go that road, who knows if Nigeria switched to LHD because of US, following other changes that have taken place at that time which i noted. Did i not state there could be other reasons for the switch other than copy-copy? Why do you have to twist my words to prove a point?

About US vs Euro auto market size. It all started in Nigeria with he term "Belgium". From there, it graduated to "Tokunbo". During that time, Nigerians were more or less "evacuating" all Benz E-Class( flat boot & V-Boot), Volvo (200 series & 700 series), etc, from European countries with LHD position to Nigeria. When they finished evacuating those cars to Nigeria, the dealers switched to US and Canada and got stuck. So, Tokunbo didn't start from US, but Europe. Are you saying used cars from France, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain and other European countries driving LHD cars won't be enough for Nigerians who cant afford new cars? Are we bigger than those countries joined together?


Anyway, you still have not not proved my position in this thread wrong. I want someone to prove to me that if Americans switch to diesel cars tomorrow, that Nigerians won't follow suit. If i can be proved wrong, then i will park and leave this thread for good.

Ikenna.

By the way, for those in US, Peugeot partnered with GM earlier this year or late last year (not sure again), to produce diesel cars together. So, expect GM cars with Peugeot HDI engines in North America soon.

Ikenna.

glolomoh: It is d fan. It usually disconnects from d socket. Once that happened,the engine starts giving me one ugly sound(like that of frog) while temperature meter moves upward. Immediately I notice this, I will off d engine, open d bonnet and push in d disconnected socket and start d car again. Lo and behold, engine will back to normal.
All efforts at getting this situation fixed permanently proved abortive as I couldn't get d said socket in market.

You need to be careful with that engine. Don't wait till the engine sound tells you that its overheating before you stop. If care is not taken, it could ruin your cylinder head, not just head gasket.

Always pay attention to temperature guage more than fuel guage. Once the temp starts going beyond the normal temp (i think 95 or so for Golf Mk III), just pull over and find out the cause.

Can you post the picture of the said socket?

Ikenna.

[quote author=Nuzo']Oga Ikenna,

I appreciate you and the rest of the car enthusiast for taking your time to reply me. I've learnt a lot between yesterday and today.
I also want to use this opportunity to apologies for a minor and wrongful accusations.

That being said, I would be happy to refer you to Electr80's comment. Most of the points and questions I wanted to raise are already in his last post.

But for posterity sake, I would love to make some points very clear:
That my opinion was formed from the model of diesel cars between 1990s to 2004.

If there are new and distinguished innovations in diesel cars in recent years, I don't know. But I'm very sure that Nigerians will not hesitate to massively aquire and drive it the moment it passes the necessary Nigerian reality check: cost, durability, air and noise pollution, mechanical manoeuvre etc.
Coincidentally, Americans would have noticed the same improvement/innovation and do the same. We will still go ahead and tag it what it is; coincidence...not follow follow mentality.[/quote]"That my opinion was formed from the model of diesel cars between 1990s to 2004.... " Ever heard of Peugeot HDI engines (Diesels)? Peugeot is widely known for Diesel cars, not petrol. They sell more of their Diesel cars in Europe than the petrol. Ask those in UK to tell you how many 406 HDIs were sold in UK? Other car manufacturers install Peugeot Diesel engines in their Diesel cars as new.

Now read below:

"In 2002, a Peugeot 406 HDi set the world record for the longest distance driven on a single tank of fuel. The car travelled across Australia between Melbourne to Rockhampton, with a total distance of 2,348 km"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_406

Note that a "single tank of fuel" in Peugeot 406 means 70 Litres, both petrol and Diesel.


If you have driven any Peugeot with Diesel engine produced from the '90s till date, you would have known that a lot have changed from the era of 504/505 diesel engines. The noise associated with Diesel engines is long gone with advent of the HDI engines. A petrol car with faulty injection system will emit black smoke, the same with diesel car with engine management issue. Black smoke is not associated with Diesel engines alone. That's the mistake people make. Anyone with black smoke has problem. The owner simply refuses to fix the problem, just like petrol cars with black smoke symptom. Or are saying you don't see petrol cars emitting black smoke in Nigeria?

Ikenna.

elektra80: Now the big question is why do Americans drive more petrol cars instead of diesel, abi Dem too Dey follow follow. On the basis of Nigeria, I don't think its follow follow. We don't manufacture cars in Nigeria so we source from abroad and the USA still remains the biggest market for used cars, especially Toyota and Honda which is what we appreciate most in Nigeria. Yes that's true because they are more reliable. Europe cars tend to be faster and more luxurious but those japs brings a balance to economy, reliability and comfort which no other cars can even come close to. Ask urself, if u can own only one car as ur daily driver and u have option between a 2008 Mercedes Benz e320 and a 2008 Toyota Camry which one would u choose. I mean a car that u drive everyday around the city,good and bad roads.. Will u choose the Benz? Even if u do, most people will choose the Toyota because its more of an everyday car. Most people that own those exotic Europe cars have more than one car, and their daily driver is always these japs that u condemn.

Back to the topic... Diesel cars are more expensive to manufacture compared to petrols, manufacturers have to install turbo into diesel engines just to make their speed close to diesels. Diesel engines make more noise too and not environmental friendly based on emission and these are factors Americans take serious. U can't say Nigerians use petrol just because Americans use more of petrol... Petrol cars bring a better balance to speed, reliability and are more environmental friendly than their diesel counterparts and that's why Americans , thus Nigerians embrace it. Don't forget Americans use left hand drive too... So next thing u will say is Nigerians use left hand drive just because Americans use it. If Toyota and Honda are readily available in Europe, with left hand drive and cheaper, trust me Nigerians will buy their cars from there instead of USA

Did you actually read my post you responded to?

"Why do Americans drive more of Petrol cars instead of Diesel?" We are not here to discuss why Americans drive petrol cars instead. Let's focus on the topic.

"European cars vs American cars?" Really? Who is comparing car brands here? I was making reference to specifications not brands, please.


"RHD vs LHD?" Don't you think you may be contradicting yourself here? Have you forgotten that Nigeria was formerly RHD, but later changed to LHD. Any reason why we changed the UK driving position to LHD American driving position? Or was there any other reason for that change I do not know? Or were you trying to prove the point "copy-copy"?


" If Toyota and Honda are readily available in Europe, with left hand drive and cheaper, trust me Nigerians will buy their cars from there instead of USA" Seriously? Are you saying Europeans don't drive petrol Toyotas and Hondas as well? Or you saying there are no LHD European countries that drive Toyotas and Hondas? Have you taken your time to compare car prices between America and Europe?

Sorry, you just proved my point in this thread. Lol!

Ikenna.

[quote author=Nuzo']Siena, Ikenna, cooldun et al.

These aforementioned are just like Jakumo, Mannylife etc in aeronotics. They are well versed, experienced and well traveled.
Some months ago, I was opportune to follow Ikenna's journey from Abuja to Anambra via Enugu. His story or maybe the way he told it made me feel like I was the actual traveller. I could count that thread as one of my most educating yet entertaining threads I've come across on Niaralnd since when I joined the forum in 2006.

I've leant a lot of maturity, professionalism and straight to the point kind oof approach to issues, especially in the auto section. I appreciate them.

That being said, I must note that sometimes I don't feel comfortable with the way they counter/confront some Nigerian regarding their opinions on automobiles. This confrontation is very evident in Siena, Ikenna nd Cooldun's comments here.

1. Siena and Ikenna stated clearly that Nigeriiaans are only using diesel cars because their "mentor" (America) is using it. More like saying that we Niigerians foolishly copy whatever the Americans do.

2. Ikenna and Cooldun also made a condescending statement about how Nigerians suck up auto-transmission vehicles...just because its lazy Americans favorites..

3. Ikenna and co has also been furious about Nigerian preferring the Toyota brand of cars to other brands. They went further to beret Nigerians for thinking very high of American specs when compared to European version.

I can't claim to know the major reasons why Nigerians are "ignorant" of their automobiles and their preferences. But I can't at least speak for myself. And before I do that, I want to also make it clear that I'm not a car/auto enthusiast...but I'm a big fan of sophistication, simplicity and efficiency in all I do. And that includes automobiles.

As I agree with assertion that Nigerians prefer petrol cars cos America do same. I would want Siena and co to do further research oon why Nigerians prefer this other than using the usual line "Nigerian likes copying Americans for the sake of it" to shut down any debate.

Aside from first hand experiences affecting the use of diesel engine cars like:
A. Higher pump price
B. Lack of good auto mechanics
C. Excess carbon dioxide
D. Noisy engine
E. Low speed (for older version)
F. Faulty injector
Et al.

I would love you guys to look into the fact that this love for American product and service is not just a Nigerian thing but a global phenomenon. From Brasili, Beijing, London to even Germany...the residents of these places prefer American specs of most products even if the product is an ididgenous to those places.
Now, the question is why is the world in love with American specs. Simple! High quality nd standard plus its uniqueness! So, what's actually wrong in people believing and going for American specs?

And as for Nigerians preferring Toyota to any other brand, I stand with them on that. I've been blessed to accelerate different brand of cars in my life; Datsun/Nissan, Mazda, Ford, Honda, Peogot GM, Mercedes and Toyota. I drove cars from these brands between 2 months to 10 years. Nothing compares to Toyota!

Aside from the value and compatibility, I would choose Toyota Tundra over Mercedes GLK450 (no be me get am o) without thinking it thru. I can't begin to recount my sweet times with Toyota Tundra as opposed to the not-so memorable time I had with the GLK450.
Is it the cheap maintenance, availability of spare parts, fuel economy, engine durability? There's just something about Toyota!

I'm not going to respond to Cooldun's comments regarding auto-transmission and manual. Cos if I do, he may even come with the idea that we should even prefer animal transportation to automobile...just because we want our roads to be free from accidents.

Once again, these guys are professionals and experts in automobile but the whole country can't be wrong.

Ps: Please pardon my incoherent essay.[/quote]Let me make my statement "Simple, because Americans don't drive diesels. The moment they start, Petrol cars will become "problematic" in Nigeria, to Nigerians." clearer for you.

If North Americans (USA & Canada) decide to ditch petrol cars and start using Diesel cars and avoid petrol cars like they do with diesel cars, what do you think you will in Nigeria? Petrol cars? From where? Europe? If like as you have confirmed above why you and majority of Nigerians prefer American speccs vehicles, is it not going to be from the same America that you will still order for cars or buy tokunbo cars from? Or are you now going to hate American cars because they are no longer petrol engine powered? Where will you order for cars then? India? Or do you think Inspired_m will convert those American specs cars from diesel to petrol engines before shipping them down for you to purchase? So, are you now going to ditch Toyota when all Toyotas that come from USA & Canada are diesels?

How many percentage of cars on Nigeria roads are tokunbo and how many are new? If tokunbo are more, do you think it won't affect the fuel type of new vehicles they will start selling in the country? Back then, PAN produced and sold only manual transmission Peugeot 504, 505, 406 & 607 (am not sure of 307 & 407). But they have come to realise that Nigerians have accepted auto tranny or prefer it more than manual tranny, hence, they recently introduced auto trannies in their new products in Nigeria, along side their manual counterparts: 308, 408, 508, 3008 & 4008. If tokunbo cars in Nigeria, most especially from USA, have made Peugeot to introduce auto transmission in their new cars, do you think if 90% of diesel tokunbo cars from US won't make Toyota do the same by introducing new diesel cars in Nigeria?


And as for "Nigerians like copying Americans". I would suggest you drop it because you do not want us to go down that road/argument. Because, If you want to insist, then tell me why of all the systems of government, Nigeria ditched the one they were operating and switched to Presidential System Americans were practising at that time till date. How is that working out for us? All of a sudden, Nigeria ditched the Europe number plate style and switched to American style. Can you honestly tell me which of them best suits Nigeria? The Europe style which is very bold and glaring everyone can see from afar, which will help Nigerian policemen? Or is it the tiny American style which can only be seen when you are standing directly close to the vehicle? Did it ever occur to Nigerians why Americans number plate is like that? When CCTV is there to snap and track any vehicle at any point in time, even if the numbers on the number plate are not visible to human eyes from afar, but for CCTV and other gadgets. What about Nigeria? How many States in the country have the CCTV, aside Abuja and maybe Lagos state? If a poor policeman can't see a number plate of a vehicle involved in a crime from afar, how then do you expect him to note the numbers? Even with their database, is it not when you have the numbers that you can do your search? Probably, the poor policeman may not even have a Camera phone to snap the car, in case they will zoom and get the numbers from there. Or may be a Nigerian Policeman is expected to have a telescopic eyes, may be.

To cut the story short, an average Nigerian is an "American -Wannabe". Our Sedentary lifestyle explains that a lot. If Americans switch to Diesel cars tomorrow, Nigerians will follow sharp-sharp. You can argue from now till tomorrow, but its a fact. Take it or leave it.

Ikenna.

@ Nuzo',

I still don't know how you fail to understand my point about Nigerians vs Diesel.

Before I continue, I want to correct some wrong statements you made:


[quote author=Nuzo"]1. Siena and Ikenna stated clearly that Nigeriiaans are only using diesel cars because their "mentor" (America) is using it. More like saying that we Niigerians foolishly copy whatever the Americans do[/quote]Siena didn't make that statement. I did.


[quote author=Nuzo"]2. Ikenna and Cooldun also made a condescending statement about how Nigerians suck up auto-transmission vehicles...just because its lazy Americans favorites..[/quote].


I don't recall making such statement in any of my posts in this thread.


[quote author=Nuzo']3. Ikenna and co has also been furious about Nigerian preferring the Toyota brand of cars to other brands. They went further to beret Nigerians for thinking very high of American specs when compared to European version.[/quote]Will get back to you on the above in my next post.


Ikenna.

[quote author=shoot@sight]Where is Mr ikenna ? Please clear Τђε air if u would pick an auto tranny D9 over Τђε one u have presently, and why ?
Input from other manual car owners is highly welcome and appreciated too[/quote]Am washing my SV D9 now, preparing for my Sunday Mass at Maitama. When am through with the Mass or less busy, will respond to Nuzo' posts. Good morning all.

Ikenna.

basmong: Thanx, will do that first thing on monday and get back to forum asap.

Don't try that.

What model year is the car?

Ikenna.

smartchoice: Think of 100k monthly maintenance plus or minus though not every month....but maybe more in some, it all depends on your mechanics...and state of the car. Star scanners are specialised scanners designed for MB's. The costs vary but check http://www.masquestonline.com/ImageGallery/ImagePreview.aspx?id=ef6cd2f3-ce09-4ce9-9b26-b8363eda93a5&m=2&c=9cbf19a3-3d0a-4f52-bf1c-f2e8c31d49f6&i=faa1e058-4c9b-4b7b-a9c5-d8cc17e24492

for scanner prices in Lagos.

I disagree with you. Monthly maintenance ? What is it in a car that will warrant the car to be taken to mechanic workshop every month? 100k every month? Haba! A used car doesn't mean a dead car? The fastest wear and tear part in a car is brake pad, which takes months to wear off. One can drive a used car for months without replacing a pin.

Sometimes, the way you guys take MB system baffles me. This is not some Alien technologies. MB system is man-made. No matter how the tech is hidden from public domain, it can be broken, even by one who is not trained. All one need is to set the system apart and study it.

No matter how complex something is, someone somewhere have understood it. The worst an inventor could do is to sought for Patent protection for his invention or work.

My point, MB is not an Alien technology. All it will take to understand the technology or system is Interest.

Ikenna.

COOLDUN: You are very right my dear, that is how Nigerians are today going crazy for Automatic cars instead of Manual, juts because Americans are driving Automatic. The cars that were made for the disabled is the best options for the Nigerians today.

Many accidents in Nigeria roads nowadays is as a result of the driving made easy Automatic cars, when someone moves an Automatic car today, tomorrow he/she will enter road without knowing the road signs, before you know it he/she begins to apply long distance routes. When there a little problem on the road you would see them shaking like moi moi. Automatic cars are very easy to drive, and that is why people jump into them as if they are the best. But manual cars make one a good and real driver.

I am not saying that manual drivers do not get accident, but there many Automatic cars easily made drivers on our roads today.

I don't know much about diesel cars but all i know is that, there must be an advantage in every invention. We Nigerians too copy from America, mostly on the bad things. Tell me more of Diesel cars plsease.

Some of us are having problems of checking our mpg when we are driving in the cities. Not because those switches don't work, but because we are scared of what we would see; the figures that would pop up. How would you feel when your screen is telling you are getting below 12 mpg?

Even the highway figure doesn't help. Some would battle to at least achieve 20 mpg on the highway, even if they have to do 70 km/h to achieve that.

Now let's go to diesel. One of the Peugeot 508 diesel versions gives about 74 mpg on highway and an impressive figure in the city.

Now, someone wants to go green, yet still clinging to 20 mpg, when there is one giving 70+ mpg?

Am not advocating that we all switch to diesels, but just stating options available which people seem to forget or not aware of.

Diesel parts will cost more than petrol engine parts. But they last longer than the petrol ones.

A diesel car with 400k mileage is considered as "just starting life". Their engines built to be stronger than the petrol ones, due to the nature of their work. Hence, they tend to last longer.

Ikenna.

Ask an average Nigerian what car he would like to buy, he would tell you "American spec Toyota Bleep or American spec Honda Bleep. Ask an average Nigerian what car he has. Whether the car was shipped from Germany or Canada, it's still an American spec. A typical average Nigerian!

The other day, I drove into a Plaza. Someone walked up to me and asked, "Where and how did you get a Peugeot 406 American spec? Please, am interested to get one like yours too." I asked him why he believed it was an American spec. He said because the car has Daytime Running Lights. Of course, only in America that cars with DTRL exist. What more could i say to him. I was not surprised anyway. After all, someone once argued with me sometime in the past the he saw a Peugeot 406 American spec which he was interested to buy. I asked him, he said the dealer told him it was an American spec. While examining the car, it was a RHD converted one. Probably, Americans now drive RHD! Even though Canada and USA didn't smell Peugeot 406 in their countries, Nigerians still branded them American specifications. After all, who wouldn't want to drive American spec car?

We can argue all we want. But I will say it again, if Americans start driving Japs diesels and ditch the petrol counterparts, Nigerians will change their songs, "Diesel Toyota and Honda are more reliable, while petrol versions are more problematic". Whatever Americans accept, is accepted in Nigeria too. After all, American cars have better features than other continent specs. Smh!

As for those shouting that Nigerian mechanics can't fix diesel cars. If I may ask, is it the petrol cars that they know how to fix? Step out of this thread, view the first few pages of this section and come back and prove me wrong. All you will see is how Nigerian mechanics have grounded some vehicles that had only minor issues. One may have a blown fuse, take his car to a mechanic or auto electrician to troubleshoot and fix. The car will end up having a fried ECU before its towed out of the workshop or sold as scrap. I can go on and on. If trial and error is what they have been doing in fixing your petrol cars (for the ones that are lucky to drive their cars out with added complex problems), then it shouldn't be an issue for them to continue with the trial and error method on the diesel cars as well. After all, Diesel cars engine system has less electrical components: less sensors than the petrol counterparts. So less nightmares for you to undergo each time you open your bonnet for them.

Ikenna.

Scun: Do you have to add your name at the end of every post? It's so gay

You need help.

Ikenna.

https://www.nairaland.com/1433020/police-begin-biometric-registration-vehicles

Moderator.

[quote author=shoot@sight]oga ikenna the big question is ''would u buy and drive a diesel engined pug'' ? Because I know u own a petrol version.[/quote]Check all my Lions, including the one i have sold (605 V6). I go for power.

Peugeot 407 has a 3.0 Diesel V6, with maximum of about 240 hp. I was discussing privately with Siena before i got my SV D9 while in the hunt. He suggested i go for a diesel this time. I told him if only 406 got the diesel v6 407 got, i would consider the 406 V6 diesel without a blink. Irrespective of the impressive mpg diesels offer, i won't compromise power for it. Unfortunately, 406 looks is more appealing to me than the 407. Hence, i settled for the petrol 406 v6, which the mpg is not bad after all. How many petrol v6 can give 40 mpg like my SV D9 average on high-speed ?

The next Peugeot am eyeing is 508. The top of version of it , GT , is very tempting. It's an I4, a 2.2 turbodiesel that has maximum of 204 hp. Unfortunately, for now, it has no manual tranny version, all are 6-speed auto tranny. Will wait and see what the future says.

So, my concern is not the fuel type, but power with reasonable fuel economy.

Ikenna.

Simple, because Americans don't drive diesels. The moment they start, Petrol cars will become "problematic" in Nigeria, to Nigerians.

Ikenna.

Please, this thread has been turned to advert. Please, mail each other.

Op, please, start a sales thread of your car in Autos section and link this thread to it, if selling the car is what you have decided to do. Thanks.

Moderator.

Hmm!

CKP? *scratch my head* Aside engine ECU, injection ECU or ignition calculator, these are one of EFI components that can mess the system up in that manner. It could be that the CKP (Crankshaft Position Sensor) is failing intermittently. Note that not all scanners will see intermittent faults stored in ECUs. Specific scanners for car brands can get you such hidden faults.

Relay? Trust me, a faulty relay, that supplies +ve to ECU can give you similar symptom. They can be very annoying sometimes when they start failing.

A faulty CTS can give various symptoms, not just excessive fueling. It can cause hard start too , since it will feeding engine ECU wrong values which will could make the ECU to close the injectors/stop them from spraying fuel for a while. Try this. Next time the car refuse to start, go to the CTS (Coolant Temperature Sensor), unplug the sensor connector and start the car. If the car starts, you have found the culprit. You will find the CTS around thermostat housing. Usually, a 2-wire connector sensor. For Peugeots, they use Bosch CTS, which most times have green connector.

A wrong connection of sensors: connecting sensor A harness to sensor B connector would give similar symptom as well. It will make the ECU to shut itself off after a while, if the signals its receiving confuses it.

Manual troubleshooting can resolve your issue better than scan tool, which have proved unhelpful in your case. Take your time, the culprit is somewhere waiting for you to come find it. Patience is all you need to do that. Worst case, the ECU, but that should be the last resort. But it has not gotten to that, i think

Thats the problem with some modern mechanics. Relying on scan tool doesn't help. When the scan tool fails to detect the culprit, they become helpless. Manual troubleshooting helps one to acquire knowledge about a particular system or car, more than what scan tool could offer. Scan tool is more of "Exam Made Easy" or "Expo".

I can't think of any other thing now. Maybe others may have other ideas or what could be the cause and save you from doing the above manual troubleshooting.
Good luck.

Ikenna.

glolomoh: Was your obsession for manual inspired your silence when I seriously needed your advice?
Lets be our brother's helper especially in time of need

Haba! I know nothing about auto transmission na! I always keep silence on auto tranny issues because i don't do guess work like most of our road side mechanics.

Ikenna.

glolomoh: Thanks for being there.
The said dilemma got my gear box damaged which eventually led to the conversion of the car to manual. I have since learnt manual driving and I'm greatly enjoying my car.

In that case, welcome to True driver's world.

Ikenna.

Henry Raphael: I really thank all that contributed on the topic,really then i did not get what i expected but NOW everything is in the right shape,I bought complete Air filter component and also flush out dirt in injector,did small electrical settings in the ignition coil.The van is more than fine.I flog it everyday now.
Here in Nigeria really a lot of people are risk averse,we dont want to do something different,we believe doing things different way is abuse,we keep doing things commonly,let me put it this way,Before i venture into doing conversion,i did research,i saw countless Dodge van,chrysler,Landrover Freelander with Toyota Engine and gear even i saw Murano SUV fitted with 2009 camry Engine and gear because of Murano gear issue.But people will like to blame if something went a little bit wrong rather than advice.A lot of things can make a car not Accelerate well starting from fuel pump,dirty injector etc,which ordinary if not in a converted car we can advise here,but immediately we hear conversion we forget our best knowledge and all you will hear is,"Abuse", "sale it","get ride of it".replace with the same engine,to the point one will start feeling bad ever mention it here,then i asked If dodge engine is not giving problems or if our so called mechanics like working on them here,why will i thought of changing to what they know better,Last year i call a mechanic to come and check my plug,to my surprise he parked his tools and ran away,telling me ah! American car,only japanes.why is dodge van so cheap and you see them dumped in mechanic garage a lot,we can turn misfortune to fortune if we carefully remove MIS.Somebody said down grading from 3.0 to 2.0,yes and i have reasons,1st is our mechanic ideology,2nd fuel consumption,3rd usage.if is speed where am i speeding to,when i will be on go-slow starting from my office till i get to my house,just need something for moving within mainland and Island,not really for traveling but even,it can travel far.,my emphasis is mainly on reliability,economy and easy to work on,which Toyota engine has.
Thanks.

Forgive me to say this, but your above post just validated my first post on this thread. You were not misled, but it was what you wanted and didn't realise the mistake you made.

Anyone who understands how EFI system works and read your first post here would not need anyone to tell him that the word "Abuse" i used to describe what was done on the poor car, was an understatement. For anyone who could do that terrible job but believed that the system didn't need o2 sensor and airfilter, left a very big question about the competency and how successful the conversion was. Like i asked earlier, was the electrical part of the conversion done with the electrical workshop manual or wiring schematics of that Toyota engine (and possibly the Dorge caravan)? If not, you need not reply to that.

So as long as a car is moving fine to you, all is well with the car? If serious MOT is implemented in Nigeria today, a lot of vehicles will find themselves in scrapyards. Why not carry out a scan on that car and prove me wrong that all is well with the engine? That is , if the scan port exist, if it's OBD II compliant or if the ECU will still communicates with the scan tool, considering how the engine wiring harness must have been butchered in. I have seen quite a lot of similar jobs to imagine what must have taken place in that engine bay for job done by one who believed EFI system didn't need o2 & airfilter.

Of course, a Toyota engine in Nissan Murano in Nigeria doesn't surprise me. LIkewise, 2.0 Toyota engine in 2009 Ford F-150 or F-250 in Nigeria, wouldn't have surprised me either,if you have said so too. How i wished you have idea what goes on in those boxes called Engine, to understand how stressful it will be for an underpowered to be installed in a heavy duty vehicle, which will lead to a short lifespan of the engine. At the end, what did one gain?

An average Nigerian vs V6. A man who believes V6 is all about speed. I don't know about you, but i do average speed whenever am travelling with mine, but make use of the v6 power i need it. I knew how many times the v6 power has saved me. I knew how many times while normally overtaking a car on highway, would suddenly see a deep pothole that could send the car rolling if jumped or suddenly see an on coming vehicle that just came out from no where, heading towards me on speed. Only a little flex or depress of the throttle pedal would turn the car into a rocket. And before i know it, i would be back on the right road, with the vehicle i just overtook fading very fast behind me, before i get to the pothole or the on coming car reaches me. Accident happens on highway, but we may not always know what caused them, unless the victims survive to tell what happened, if they would remember. Eye witness account is not always true. It has always been "over-speeeding", even when one doesn't understand what that word means. A v6 car can be driven like an N/A I4. But the power is there anytime you need it. Any day you are chased by arm robbers or car snatchers, that's the day you will understand difference between an underpowered car and one with a powerful one. But am not here to debate NA I4 vs NA V6.

Anyway, it was your choice and you are ok with the outcome/result. Next time, i will avoid similar threads like this one. Thanks for making me realise that.

Ikenna.

jakigaga: @ Icemann the driver is male ooh. The guy just kept on driving until the car stopped they were lucky they were just about 20 km away from town.Sad .

A typical Nigerian man, who as far as a car is still moving, it has no problem. Because he cannot tell me that he didn't see the battery drain sign on the instrument cluster when the belt broke or slipped off, even if the PAS pump is electrically driven.

Besides, an overheating engine will give one various signs of overheating before it finally stops running, even if the temp guage on the cluster is not functioning. A sound of an engine overheating is enough to tell one what is happening to the engine without the help of temp guage. Even the acceleration will tell. But he chose to keep driving to the point of damaging the engine to that extent (if truly the engine overheated and damaged the head gasket and cylinder head), after all, Toyota no dey fail.

Ikenna.

davonny: @ ikenna351
10ks 4 ur response but let me explain better.
When d formal absurber (front) went bad, we changed it with tokunbo ones but that make d car height to drop and front bomper hits ground whenever I enter potholes. This was not so b4 we changed d absurbers. My mech suggests I raise the car. That he can raise d spring and that will increase d car height in d front. Is this save .

No, it's not safe, if that's what you are asking.

The former failed one gave the car the normal ground clearance. But the one you swapped in reduced the ground clearance . What does that tell you?

Either the one you bought and installed has gone bad, worst than the one you removed or you bought and installed a wrong one. Did you measure the two to be sure they have the same height, including the springs?

Yes, you can add some stuffs to increase car's ground clearance, but the handling will suffer. If you must take this option, be careful how you steer the car in bends on high-speed ; be careful of the type of speed you do incase you have a blowout; be careful of how you jump pothholes on high-speed, etc.

Ikenna.

It can be treated to stop spreading, the crack. Had it been you are in Abuja, i would have given you a specialist phone number who stays at Area 10.

But if the crack is much, then you will need to replace it since VIO or Road Safety won't smile at you anytime they stop you and see it.

Ikenna.

icemann: That is Why i sad "It is chain driven".

Ikenna351 you are an auto guru you should know this.

Is like you are out to look for my trouble.

Ikenna.

davonny: Hello house, hello mr ikenna 351. Just want know. Is there any danger in raising my 406? I changed d front shock absorber aND that made it to be low in the front. I was advice to raise d shock absurbers but I need to if there is any danger in doing this.
Thanks

How do you mean by raise? Add more pad to the spring or remove and put a longer spring?

Most times, when a shock absorber fails, the car height will drop. When a good one is swapped in, it will go up to normal height again. In your case, the reverse is the case. I hope the one they put in is the correct one for the car?

Ikenna.

jakigaga: ikenna yes it does.It’s called a serpentine belt because it snakes around and powers your power steering, air conditioner, water pump, and alternator

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/generalinfo/l/bldef_728a.htm

Peugeot calls in Auxiliary belt, while some calls it serpentine belt. They mean the same thing. French calls theirs "Servo", while Americans call it brake booster. Likewise, Peugeot calls theirs "ECU", while some brands call theirs ECM or PCM. All mean the same thing.

Not all Auxiliary belt drives water pump. Most cars with timing belt have water pump driven by the timing belt, while engines with timing chains, especially with timing chain have their water pump driven by the Auxiliary belt.

My ES9J4S water pump is driven by timing belt, not auxiliary belt. My ZN3J water pump is driven by Auxiliary/Alternator belt. The camshaft is timing chain driven.

Since you are saying the auxiliary /serpentine belt drives the car in question water pump, its likely that the engine overheated. But that does not call for water pump replacement. If the WP (water pump) still spin freely when turned with hand and the bearing is not shaking or dragging, wetin concernWP with the belt that broke? Is the WP leaking coolant?

Ikenna.

jakigaga: Guys let me make my self clear
1. I examined the car and the serpentine belt had shattered only a little bit was left on the pulleys.
2. From my mechanics assessment the serpentine belt as well as the water pump and top cylinder gasket will have to be replaced.The water pump he is not very sure of
3. The 2008 Toyota corolla has a serpentine belt that runs the auxiliary systems.As well as a timing chain which drives the cam shaft
4. The owner of the car called her own mechanic who claims the Engine is gone because the pistons are broken.
5.My question is Does anyone in this forum have experience of serpentine belt failure causing engine knocking.

Discuss and revert

http://toyota.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7690/~/does-my-vehicle-have-a-timing-belt-or-timing-chain%3F

The question should start like this:


1. Does the auxiliary belt of that engine drives water pump as well?

If we can get the above question answered, then the issue of whether the car overheated or not will then be addressed. Because even if the engine is an interference one, the auxiliary belt has nothing to do with the camshaft, intake and exhaust valves driven by either timing belt or chain which could damage pistons if failed.

Ikenna.

icemann: REALLY, How on earth is that possible? Please explain to us?

At OP. You may have to buy a new engine block. The overheating probably warped the cylinder head (the piston broke) or even cracked the block. They let the car run for too long after the belt ripped.

Sorry dude but i would recommend a new block

Hope you understand what you are saying? Newer engines water pump are driven by Timing belt, not the auxiliary belt like in the older cars. Unless you want to tell me the 2008 Toyota engine in that car has an old engine set up?

Ikenna.