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nitrogen:
We are looking at acquisitions in the last 10 years. Stop talking about an era where we had a squad that got to 3 UCL finals in 4 years. That squad did not need a lot of investments.

As at then, Scholes, Giggs and many other players were due to be replaced. Ferguson worked wonders to make the team overperform to get 3 UCL finals in 4 years. He lost two out of them though and one would think if we had Ozil or Kroos in the 2011 CL final instead of Giggs/Carrick, the outcome would have been much different.

Like I said, Glazernomics led United to those two painful final defeats. I remember Ferguson used to say there was no value in the market then - and proceeded to sign Obertan and Tosic. Rooney had a bust with SAF asking why United have declined. Roy Keane also had a similar bust in 2005 that led to his exit from the club.

Glazernomics is poison!

nitrogen:
No, investors don't need to know everything about football, they only need to appoint the right people, spend the right amount, and adopt the right business model for sustainability. I will blame them for not signing the right managers (to be fair though, they brought Mou and LVG), wont fault them for spending 1 billion on players in 10 years, and will even praise them for having Woodie on board to increase revenues significantly.

And there lies the problem.

If they know nothing about football, how would they know the right football people to hire. City went all out to get Txiki Begiristain(Barca’s former football director) as their football director while Woodward was pretending to know what the job entails.

You only need to watch Man City’s Amazon documentary to see how that club is built with the sole objective of packing trophies. They have a structure and owners who won’t hesitate to pursue that sole objective no matter what it costs.

That is what any investor should care about. Football fans won’t care if Osama Bin Laden acquires their club as long as they keep bringing in the trophies. All the fans ever wanted is success and continued success. With the Glazers, we get debt and trophy drought.

I repeat, Glazernomics is poison!

nitrogen:
Why did the previous owners sell? Why do you think the new owners invest invested? Why did the govt allow the sale? Better stop the emotional stuffs. You are a fan, they are investors, a fan cannot be a rational investor, while an investor cannot be as emotional as a fan. But both of them need to come together to make things successful.

The previous owners sold their shares because of their beef with Alex Ferguson. They fought over the ownership of a racehorse and they wanted out.

British Government allowed the sale because of the taxes they would get from the deal. Everyone older than 5 knows that leveraged buyout does anybody no good - especially a cash generating outfit like Man Utd.

nitrogen:
How much do you want to spend on player acquisitions? 2 billion in 10 years? how many clubs have hit the 1 billion mark in player acquisitions in the last 10 years?

Plenty of clubs have hit 1 billion in player purchases in the last 10 years and United are the least successful amongst those clubs.

Have you been sleeping?

nitrogen:
Clubs have different models. City, Real Madrid, Barca wont bring in a lot from player sales. They dont care if you have a net spend of 0$ (re: player sales and acquisitions). They want to continue to make their brands bigger by signing expensive players and make money off them.

While this is true, they compensate it by acquiring world class players and they land big trophies to sweeten the fans.

Real Madrid and Barca will not sign Bebe, Obertan and a crippled Michael Owen to replace a Cristiano Ronaldo. It’s impossible.

So no matter how you shake it, Glazernomics is poison.

nitrogen:
Chelsea on the other hand relies on player sales to fund more than half of player acquisitions. Different clubs with different models.

United’s model is not a model, it’s a money grab. Stop calling it model. What sort of stupid model rewards shitty players with contracts you would give Messi or Ronaldo?

If Aguero was a United player, Woodward would be giving him a 6 year contract this summer to keep him until 37. How’s that a model? What is Phil Jones doing at United? What financial model in the world supports Phil Jones contract in 2019?

nitrogen:
Better calm down and learn how these things work.

You are ridiculously naive in football finance to think the Glazers have any sort of financial model. It’s just a money grab. They have zero knowledge on how football works and this is why the biggest club in the world is now trophyless for the 4th year running.

nitrogen:
You are looking at this in absolute terms. It does not work that way. The IRR is less than 5%, which does not make sense. If they had invested in the index or in another company, they would have hit 20% IRR or 2x invested capital in 5 years.

No one asked for them. No one wanted them. The club wasn’t in any financial trouble. They just arrived overnight and heaped loads of debt on the club. They don’t deserve more than £200m profit in 2010 considering they didn’t drop a single penny in the purchase of the club.

nitrogen:
Forget about the debt, it's a capital structure thing, no one cares as long as the business can settle operating expenses, and make normal investments (re: buying of players). Man Utd is doing okay, you cant spend 2 billion on player acquisitions in just 1 decade. No club has ever done that. Does not make sense. If they had bought with 100 percent equity, they would have taken out the 1 billion spent on debt servicing as cash from the business, and spend the remaining 1 billion on players (which is sufficient).

I should forget about the debt that has sucked £704m on interests alone? Are you alright? Without the debt, the £704m wasted on interest alone could have gone to buy more players or fix the dilapidated stadium that was leaking rain water few seasons ago.

nitrogen:
Meanwhile, dont forget that apart from 1 billion expended on acquisition of players, they have spent 2.9 billion and 1.2 billion on wages and operating expenses respectively. What else do you want?

The club generated close to £6 billion in that period. The club by itself, without the financial input of the Glazers generated that money on its own. Why are you making it look like the Glazers’ acumen brought that money to the table?

Were United not making money before the Glazers? Old Trafford had the largest club stadium capacity in Britain before the Glazers. United’s match day revenue was the highest in Britain before the Glazers. United also had the highest number of fans in Europe.

The club would have survived and be in a much better shape without the Glazers. If you are paying £707m in interest alone(excluding the debt repayment), you should worry about the debt. That £707m could have brought Neymar and Mbappe to Old Trafford.

Glazernomics is poison.

JayKayMaybachz:
Who dhey cut soap for this man nii

A man with 25 major trophies can never be out of demand.

nitrogen:
Many people are uninformed. Even the 25m dividend is not bad. Total payment was just 244m (out of inflow of 6.8 billion), which is less than the equity they put in. So, they should just invest everything in the club, without any sort of compensation to themselves?

A club that does about 75% of proceeds on players, and another 18% on operating expenses is not doing badly. The propaganda is BS, honestly.

This is also terrible business on their part.

United have the lowest amount of player sales in the top 6. If you go deeper, they are even worse than Everton and Southampton in the past 11 years.

Chelsea have made £707m in player sales, Liverpool made £552m but United could only boast of £291m sales in the past 11 years. Glazernomics is actually harming the club, not helping it.

However, through the United media machine that continues to lie to the fans, we overrate these parasites. All they do is dishing out contracts to players past their peak that nobody wants.

Explain to me why Jones hasn’t been sold. He’s barely kicked a ball in the last 3 years and the Glazers gave him a juicy contract for nothing. United are 8th in player sales. Shitty clubs like Southampton and Arsenal make more money selling players than United.

Are you sure the propaganda is BS or you have consented to Woodward pulling a thick wool over your eyes?

The mind boggles.

nitrogen:
The chart is okay, but the conclusion does not make sense.

1. Wages and investment in players is close to 75% of total use of proceeds. That's massive, what else do you want na?

2. People should stop saying that debt repayment and interest payments are going directly to the Glazers. Dividends and share sales are major source of inflows to these guys. The debt paymnets go to lenders

But they are the cause of the debt.

The club had zero debt until they arrived. The club had no financial issue until they heaped the debt on the club. So whose liability is the debt repayment and interest rates? Who should bear the brunt of that?

They brought the debt to the club so it’s their shit. That’s the best way to put it. If United were bankrupt before they arrived and they used debt to save the club from liquidation, you would have a point. The club was super healthy before they showed up so who do you want to blame for the debt? Roy Keane?

nitrogen:
Red knights wanted to buy man utd at 1 billion. Just imagine!

The Glazers purchased for 800m in 2005, and you want them to sell to Red Knights at 200m profit after 5 years.

Are you a prodigal son?

£200m profit was a lot of money in a football as at 2010. The most expensive player transfer as at 2010 was Ronaldo(£80m). £200m in 2010 would have bought 2 & half Ronaldos.

How much will buy 2 and half Neymars today? £220 * 2.5 = £550m. So you are saying £550m isn’t enough profit for the Glazers after 5 years of debt, high interest rates and repayments?

Really?

olabode89:
You are the only one propagating this notion... lmao!

Yes, the Glazers took over the club using a leverage buyout that heaped a debt of about 600M pounds on the club,but they didn't break any law. The UK govt should have prevented the move but they failed to do so.

Whatever you say about the Glazers with respect to their handling of the club do not forget that they implemented an aggressive commercial push that increased our revenue substantially. Although the yearly 25M dividend payment they receive is a bad look for them when compared to other owners.

Which commercial push are you talking about? Which other club didn’t implement an aggressive commercial push?

While it is true they tripled United’s commercial revenue from £173m in 2005 to £509m in 2020, Man City and Liverpool have overtaken the slumbering Man United in the same period.

Man City’s revenue grew from £62m to £478m
Liverpool’s revenue went from £119m to £490m
Tottenham’s revenue rose from £74m to £392m

The Glazers have been grossly overrated. With or without them, Man Utd’s revenue would have grown because of the amount of money pumped into football in the last decade.

raumdeuter:
The Glazers did not take over using a gun, they negotiated fairly and were sold the club

The Glazers have spent a lot of money on the club too, They have bought you the most expensive defender, midfielder and striker in the league

I saw among the banners, some fans clamouring for a 50+1 model the same model many fans have laughed at Bundesliga for. When you get 50+1 and no investor are comng, will you be okay with losing the bragging rights of the most competitive league and trophies in Europe cos without those investors you wont be better than other leagues

Who is this football illiterate typing nonsense?

The Glazers have not spent a single penny on Man Utd. Man Utd was a debt free club in 2005 generating around £400m in revenue every season.

Man Utd was big enough to pay its overheads until the Glazers heaped a hefty debt on the club which has cost the club close to £2 billion. Imagine if that amount was spent on players instead of interests and repayments?

The Glazers don’t spend a dime on United, they take money from the club in dividends instead. This whole notion that the Glazers are some savior that rescued a dying club in 2005 needs to be put to bed.

nitrogen:
Simple! Stop whining and buy the club.

They have been approached several times - they refused to sell. They were approached in 2010 by Red Knights.

The Glazers are greedy bastards. I don’t know how you can even lend any support to these parasites that have ruined United from the crust to the core.

They have paid themselves more than they have invested in players in the last 10 years.

Oasis007:


Solskjær: "One, you fight to win the Premier League, that is the bread and butter. That is the dream, that is what everyone wants but it is almost like another trophy: second, third or fourth because the Champions League is such a massive tournament to be in."

This man is a disgrace.

Expert17:
Europa league is now considered as a major trophy by OleInners

Wonderful

Until he loses in the next round and Olesexuals twist the narrative that Ole never took the competition serious or it’s not a competition United should be playing or winning.

Just watch.

Android17:
Mourinho was supposed to succeed in England according to high IQ people means that he should run through the PL and deliver the title by January?.

Idiocy isn’t tolerated by me.

You said he was supposed to succeed in England as there were huge expectations for him to win.

He’s a brilliant manager
He inherited a brilliant team
He bought brilliant players.

What could be wrong? Except for the small matter that he wasn’t even the favorite that year.

If you don’t get the fück out of my sight with your room temperature IQ.

This weapon is actually equating an away game at Newcastle(300 miles away from home) at the end of the season to the first game of the season at home against United.

Android17:
A manager can manipulate his TEAM into a siege mentality by accusing the referees of not treating his players favorably. For e.g he accused the referees of being too light on SAF. That way, his players play with that mentality and try to win to prove they won regardless of opposition by the referees. You are calling me names? lol

Manager has become a conjurer to hypnotize his players and create a siege mentality. Media darlings would leave their status and join moaners about referees or the FA?

You have the intelligence of a dead battery. How does this make sense to you if you have any brain cells in your head?

You are certainly a special child.

Android17:
You are deceiving yourself. You queried why he was fired a week before the finals and pointed to his finals records in the Carling Cup as proof that he could have won against City in 2021. I asked you which of the teams in those years you mentioned should have beat him. You knew what it meant and started with Liverpool. After I debunked all the lies you wanted to tell about Liverpool you switched to United. lol. This particular lie is played out so try another.

I knew what it meant?

Next time, write intelligibly instead of forcing people to guess what you meant. Finals are the icing on the cake. There are many hoops to jump to get into a final. Saying Mourinho was expected to win that final is false.

Stop lying.

Android17:
See who is calling me names? I attached where the same article called the Chelsea Newcastle fixture at the end of the season difficult. lol. Mourinho had a history with both SAF and Sir Bobby Robson. That is why that adjective was used. lol
https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/chelsea-face-man-united-in-season-opener

Look at this fool creating his own narrative. The end of the season fixture was tough simply because it’s an away game. It’s totally different from playing a home game, the first game of the season. Like you said, this was a side expected to succeed in 04/05. They won the same fixture the previous season, why should that be daunting?

Android17:
Where did anyone mention "deliver on all fronts"? lol. See this liar. You are in for it.

“Mourinho is supposed to succeed in England”

Android17:
You are not clever. You are making my argument for me. I said his chelsea was called boring and you tried to counter it by telling me he won 29 games. I responded by telling you that winning is not tantamount to being entertaining. lol. So thank you.

This special child just can’t get the syllogism.

I didn’t make the point for you, I was destroying your point that said he was boring. I cited Spain, a side everyone agreed played the best attacking football in Europe, as being boring.

Same as Mourinho - played the best attacking football that season and his haters said he was boring because they couldn’t beat him. I am exposing your hypocrisy that it’s impossible for a boring side to notch 95 points.

Android17:
That you are one of the top 2 favorites is not tantamount to walking the league. Chelsea were one of the top 2 favourites in 2009/10 but they did not walk the league. Nobody mentioned walking the league. Your deflections are useless.

You are a disgrace to formal education. What is the meaning of top 2 favorites? How is a side with huge expectations become top 2? What happened to the adjective ‘hottest’ favorite? A side that is supposed to succeed in England shouldn’t be 2nd favorites.

You have shot yourself in the foot!

Every favourite must walk the league to prove that they were favourites? And you are calling me names?

100%

You must walk the league to prove why you are hot favorites. Bayern are favorites every year, same as PSG, etc.

If you aren’t aware, that is the position you have placed Mourinho in 2004/5 in this discourse. A procession to the title with no obstacles at all. Remember you said he was supposed to succeed.

And I was calling you names? Is it possible that you are getting irritated about the name calling? If you aren’t a morön, why are you letting it get to you?

Android17:
Provide where I said this?

This is tragic!

Android17:
Chelsea were 2nd before Mourinho. He came in, got better players to add to that team and there was only one direction they were to go. Chelsea beat that same Liverpool team in the league home and away. Mourinho still believes he lost that UCL tie based on a ghost goal but you want to paint them to be this indomitable team. O wrong nau! Chelsea were better than United by far in both 2004/05-2005/06. They were supposed to beat United in those years. And Mourinho was SUPPOSED to succeed in England. Where did "I am the special one" come from? You keep talking about revisionism but that is all you have been doing - revising history. Please nobody talked Porto or Inter so stop changing the narrative.

Without any iota of doubt, you are certainly a special child.

Sniper4real:
This page long like this and na 2 pple dominated it. Our thread fit catch up with Chelsea thread with guys sha

Instead of you to be happy reading free content.

Android17:
So if I do not underline the key phrases, you will not know what I am referring to as siege mentality? lol I have made some attachments. I told you he don't need to be a victim, the manager can manipulate you into thinking you are one. lol You don't know the difference and you are always talking about IQ. lol

How can the manager manipulate media darlings to whip up a siege mentality.

You are not intelligent.

If Mourinho was universally loved by the media, siege mentality would never have worked. Jose was hated by the media like you opposed and this was why it was easy for him to whip the us vs them mentality.

Another evidence of your bi-polarism.

Android17:
This was your post:

To which I replied:

Now the one with great memory tried to lie that I said Chelsea should have won every competition they played in. You will regret ever replying me. just wait.

Is this a sign you are going weary? A man without limits will regret ever replying you? You are a fool!

You asked who would have beaten him in carling cup competitions in 2005, 2007, 2015 and 2017? If you have any brain cells, nowhere did you specifically mention the final and teams play in the other rounds before the final. Chelsea didn’t just qualify for the final - they had to play several teams to be there.

Your stupid question might have intended to mean the final but because of your lack of vocabulary skills, it actually meant no team could have beaten Chelsea in all the games they played in that competition in 4 different seasons. That was why I brought up the semis against United.

Will you now accept you are a fool once and for all and a language British missionary took to your country and taught you from cradle to adulthood has been a waste of their time? You lack the intelligence power to engage anyone with an IQ higher than 20 in any debate.

Android17:
Like Chelsea face a daunting task in their first game of the 2004-05 season against Man U is tantamount to them being underdogs?

Chelsea with huge expectations faced a daunting task at home? The same Chelsea you said were partial favorites faced a daunting task to beat Man Utd at Stamford Bridge? It should be United facing a daunting task to play Chelsea seeing that they were away and they lost the corresponding fixture the previous season.



Low IQ alert - this tells me you don’t know the meaning of daunting.

Please google it.

Android17:
Which of the 4 media houses I provided considered Arsenal the favorites and why are you mentioning the UCL to me? Stop this narrative-changing exercise. It is futile. lol

Look at this idiot - you went from huge expectations from Mourinho to deliver on all fronts to running away from CL narrative? So what was this huge expectation if I may ask? What was the minimum requirement?

Stupid boy!

Android17:
What does this have to do with me? Who is discussing the spanish national team?

It has everything to do with you. Boring boring Chelsea, remember? I cited another example where a winning team was called boring.

I just love making you look stupid.

Android17:
You are trying to be clever by half. Nobody talked about walking any league. Stop looking for a hiding place. You will find none.

It is too late to walk back your comments. You said there were huge expectations. You even lied Chelsea were the favorites. If the expectation is huge to deliver as the top favorites, why is walking the league an impossibility?

Are you a morön?

Android17:
lol I am sure you are wondering how you got yourself in this mess.

Stop giving yourself these stupid assurances. You don’t need to be second guessing what I am wondering about. It’s a weakness.

You call this a mess? This fool will literally remove all his ribs to suck his own dïck. You could add the energy and the intelligence of every congregation in your church or mosque, it still won’t be enough.

This isn’t a mess. This is my natural habitat and this is why I am dog-walking you.

Android17:
Yet I have mentioned not 1, not 2, not 3..yet someone is insisting that Mourinho was given no chance at all.

Android17:
Nobody talked about walking any league.

I keep insisting you are a morön. These were your utterances in the last 24 hours.

Chelsea had huge expectations to win in 04/05.
Nobody talked about walking the league
Chelsea were the title favorites in 04/05
Chelsea had no problems winning CC in 2005.

If I didn’t know better, I would think you are normal but these are the signs of you being a bipolar. Nearly everything you write in one comment contradicts the previous one.

If Chelsea were the title favorites in 04/05 like you claim, why wouldn’t they walk the league? If you also claim the hopes weren’t as high as walking the league, why would you insinuate they were supposed to win CC in 2005 against Liverpool(final) and United(semis)?

You are stupid and I have a zero tolerance policy for stupidity.

Android17:
You can only call names because your arguments are conjectural and lacking in substance. You don't need to be a victim to have a siege mentality. You can be paranoid enough to have one or you can make it up to use as a motivational tool. You picked the wrong person to lie to. The more names you call me, the more I will use hardcore evidence to disgrace you on this thread.

Mourinho saying the game starting from the press conference isn’t tantamount to a siege mentality. You are a stark illiterate.

Siege mentality is a shared feeling of victimization and defensiveness—a term derived from the actual experience of military defences of real sieges. It is a collective state of mind in which a group of people believe themselves constantly attacked, oppressed, or isolated in the face of the negative intentions of the rest of the world.

This fool continues to disgrace his lineage because he wants to win an argument. Playing mind games has turned to siege mentality? The maggot even said victimization has no bearing to siege mentality.

How did you manage to ace your exams in primary school?

elrony:
Omo....who be all these guys?

I warned these lizards but they won’t listen.

I told them evil has arrived on this thread. All the known agenda, useless narratives and idiotic beliefs shall be extinguished by the time I am done with them.

The first task is to destroy all the anti-Mourinho narrative and I am almost there.

Today na today, we die here.

Android17:
Same deflections. I mentioned the finals as I don't have time for your diversions. Everyone can see how you are trying to mention irrelevant details to muddy the waters. lol. Chelsea of 2004-05 beating Liverpool of 2004-05 was not a big deal. Chelsea were by far superior. Funny how you throw around Chelsea's 95 points when it is convenient and pretend that Liverpool did not have 58 points that same season.

Look at this fool!

You didn’t mention the finals. You said Mourinho was expected to win every competition Chelsea entered that season. When I mentioned Mourinho dogwalked Ferguson before the final, your reply was that he was better than Ferguson that year.

You are a disgrace.

Android17:
You are calling me a slowpoke but your posts are showing who the slowpoke is. "No one gave him a chance" yet I have provided 4 different experts/media opinions showing that there were huge expectations concerning that team and their manager. A team that finished 2nd in the league and SF of the UCL are underdogs to Liverpool?

Mourinho was expected to have difficulty in adapting to the PL and Chelsea were underdogs. No one considered Chelsea an elite in Europe and that was why Mourinho chose them over Liverpool. Chelsea were his type of an underdog team. Chelsea hadn’t won the league and they hadn’t won the champions league.

Android17:
Provide evidence for this. Let others laugh at you.

I cannot continue to provide evidence that you are a möron. You are making a good case and the others are laughing at you already.

Android17:
The difference between me and you is I am providing evidence. I even told you what he said and what the video CLEARLY shows. When I ask you for your proof you will tell me you were part of the inner caucus meetings. lol. Look at you, trying to mix-up the criticism that faced his team from August 2004 till he left in 2007 to the incident that happened just after beating Liverpool 3-2 in the Carling cup final Feb 2005. You are not clever.

This fool is actually thinking he’s providing evidence. How? Stop lying to yourself? If there were huge expectations for Mourinho to succeed, why was Arsenal the favorite to win the PL? How come Barcelona were the favorites to win CL?

Huge expectations and evidence?

Android17:
Another weak deflection. You now want to bring Spanish team. You and who are discussing the spanish team? you even wanted to claim that Jose did not agree he was boring. Okay, see Mourinho in 2014/15 being accused of same. Is he agreeing or disagreeing? lol. Lie again. I am on standby.

You are a fool!

Spanish team was called boring for passing the ball too much. So the boring tag were solely for winners. Mourinho didn’t care about the boring tag cos he knows it’s not true - it was coming from a place of hate.

You need more people to convince anyone Mourinho was expected to walk the league in the manner by which he did it. He was given no chance at all. No one really believed he was capable of breaking the Wenger-Fergie duopoly.

Your revisionism is disgusting.

Android17:
You can only call names because your arguments are conjectural and lacking in substance. You don't need to be a victim to have a siege mentality. You can be paranoid enough to have one or you can make it up to use as a motivational tool. You picked the wrong person to lie to. The more names you call me, the more I will use hardcore evidence to disgrace you on this thread.

One has to be a victim to have siege mentality.

A man universally loved like you claim don’t need a siege mentality. This is why it will not work for media darlings like Ole or Lampard at his last job.

This was the Mourinho you claimed was expected to run through the PL and deliver the title in January.

Android17:
I told you your strawman arguments are laughable. You are a novice. You are trying to bring Pep in as a diversionary tool. You wanted to claim Mourinho winning those Carling Cup finals was a big deal and I pointed out to you that he did not win any of those finals as an underdog.

You are an idiöt! I have been on this forum for about 3 months and you could be the biggest idiot I have ever encountered.

Anyone that opines beating Man Utd over 2 legs in a semifinal and beating Liverpool in the final is no big deal is an idiot. Liverpool went on to win the CL by the way - by beating the same Mourinho over two legs in CL semis.

Android17:
Name-calling to deflect again. Huge fail. You are welcome. By the way, you are the one who is lying. Nobody discussed Mourinho being special or not. I said he did not win any carling cup finals he was not expected to win. You have tried to bring up Porto, Inter to deflect and I have nabbed you severally.

You are still repeating this idiocy that Mourinho wasn’t an underdog when he clearly stated in the video that I posted it was difficult mentally for his players because they hadn’t won a spoon in 5 years. He was clearly the underdog in 2005. No one gave him a chance.

Let it be known that I am not calling you a morön to deflect, I am calling you a morön because that is what you are. I could come to your house right now and still call you a morön to your face because that is my true feelings towards your pathetic argument.

Android17:
Another sneaky deflection and outright lie (Arsenal favorites by a distance yet I keep providing more proof that many others saw Chelsea as the favorites as well). First you claimed he was not loved by the media, then you concede that he indeed was loved but that things later went sour. Now you have accepted that he was loved but you are trying to contextualize that love. You are pathetic. See you talking about Mourinho like he was Rafael Benitez in 2004. lol. Don't forget how you lied that United were 2nd favorites and I nabbed you?

He was loved by the media because of his first press conference. They hadn’t seen such an arrogant prïck in their lives but that was in June. Football didn’t start until August, you are pathetic.

The love quickly turned sour when he started shitting on the media from day one and there were loads of scandals that followed him throughout that season that made him public enemy number one. By the time carling cup semis came in January, no one wanted Mourinho in the media.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13467960_e3ab320f76d14e1a9105b2d4def9a6c1_jpeg_jpeg492da723afb4f62f4fad9bef686803ee

Android17:
Pathetic liar. Your link and the image attached were with respect to coming from behind to beat Liverpool. He claimed to be gesturing to the press that they should "shush it" because he felt they were getting ready to write another article about Chelsea. For context, Chelsea had lost to Barca 2-1 and Newcastle in the FA Cup back to back prior to that game. Of course, everyone knows it was the Liverpool fans he was actually telling to shush it as video evidence will show.

You are a pathological liar! He was actually shushing the media. If he shushed the fans, he would say he did and apologized. Mourinho did far more serious offence than lying about what he did.

He said he shushed the media for writing negative articles about him - which you also alluded to that his team was being referred to as boring boring Chelsea. Are you going to walk back your own comments less than 24 hours?

Who raised you?

Android17:
This is literally the stupidest argument ever. You lied that the media disliked him, I debunked it. The media loved his charisma, his mind games, his siege mentality and the fact that he was winning but everyone knew his style was usually ultra defensive and boring.

This fool keeps conspiring with his village spirits to walk himself into a pit filled with vipers. For him to use a siege mentality, there must be evidence of media hatred, he must have been a victim of something. Someone universally loved by the media like you claimed cannot use siege mentality unless you don’t know the meaning of what you typed.

The siege mentality came to fore because the media hated him. A manager cannot just whip out a siege mentality without hatred. How are you a football fan and you don’t know the meaning of siege mentality?

Android17:
lol asinine deflection. Winning games does not constitute to being entertaining. You can see the attached. Read Mourinho himself describe his team and look for another lie to tell. You are in trouble. The more you lie, the more evidence I will provide. lol

Look at this idiot! A manager got 95 points winning 29 games and conceding only 15 over a season and you say he’s boring? Boring to whom? Jose was clearly repeating what was said about him - he never agreed he was boring.

The ultra attacking Spanish team that won in 2008,2010,2012 were called boring. Who gives a shit about what the media say? Only idiöts like yourself with 2 lean brain cells would use this as a crutch in your argument.

Get the fück out of my sight - with your idiotic stance!

elampiro:
But we beat Manchester City

Yes, you beat Man City in a league game but they will win the league.

In the game that mattered(Carabao Cup), they beat United 2-0 at Old Trafford and they have now won the competition.

It’s almost as if City know the kind of games they can lose that will not dent their trophy ambitions whereas Ole just loses stupidly in the games that matter.

Is there any more clear evidence that the PE teacher is totally out of his depth?

BikeMan:
Peak mediocrity? History books by bottling series of semifinals? Arsenal or Villarreal will still beat him in the finals of this one sef.

Arteta will beat Ole in the final.

I am not sure of Emery because I don’t trust the fitness of Villarreal players.

Arteta will just park the bus to frustrate Ole and deliver the killer blow in the 89th minute.

Martial’s injury has been a blessing in disguise.

PE teacher would have started the insouciant Martial instead of Cavani and United would have struggled.

El Matador is Ole’s savior.

Lana1:
Then why do these errors keep happening

They keep happening because the PE teacher can’t admit he wasted a lot of money buying the English fridge for £80m.

elampiro:
Don't mind them. The agenda people no know ball.

Illimitable has been limited tonight.

The only thing that can limit the illimitable is Ole winning the PL or CL.

Any other competition is what we have seen before under Mourinho and LVG and those two still got sacked.

So why should Ole be here?

BARAJ92:
So Young, Valencia, Jones, Smalling and Rooney did not also win the league, What did he achieve after he spend almost 500 million euros then he finished with 81 points, the highest point ever since Ferguson regime.

Valencia, Young & Rooney were 31 when Jose arrived.

You might as well go and sign Beckham and Cantona right now and use the excuse because they have won the league.

City reached CL Semis in 15/16
City won Carling cup in 15/16
City won the league in 13/14
City never finished below top 4

United won the league in 12/13
United finished 7th in 13/14
United won FA cup in 15/16
United finished 5th in 15/16
United finished in the top 4 ONLY once between 13/14 and 15/16.

These were the respective strengths of the teams before Pep and Jose arrived. If you haven’t watched football ever before, which of these teams looked stronger based on what I have posted?

City or United?

olabode89:
You are way too intelligent for some of this gaffes.

Ole didn't make tactical changes or bring on any player after half time and the team came back to blow away Roma. How come you praise the players for positive outcomes and berate Ole for negatives.

So you think game only changes because of substitutions or change in formation?

Showing more aggression or intensity alone can make the difference between losing a game by 2-0 or winning 7-0. Getting into the players head to die on the pitch is the responsibility of the manager.

When have you ever watched this United team and think they have done everything they could? Never. They always leave you with this ‘they could have done more’ vibe.

In the key games we have lost(Leicester[FA cup], Basaksehir, Leipzig, Man City[Carabao]), the fans went home heartbroken cos they knew United should have done more.

All that is down to the manager.

olabode89:
Was it Ole that told Fred to not read the run of Mhki for the second goal or Shaw that allowed Dzeko to bully and get in front of him for that same goal. Was it Ole that told Pogba to raise his hands when trying to prevent a cross in the box??

If Fred isn’t listening to instruction, why is Ole playing him week in week out and lying to the media that he has been fully backed by Glazers?

If Shaw can’t be strong against Dzeko, why is he starting? What is Ole doing to improve his strength against bully strikers? You pretend as if Ole doesn’t choose the team or review the games and assess what needed to be fixed.

Ole is 100% culpable for every mess.