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raumdeuter:
Mourinho put Mata on the market to be sold, Mata did not say he wanted to leave.

Mata was surplus to requirements. He wasn’t needed to deliver the primary objective and Mourinho proved that by winning 2014/15 PL title.

Why did Mata choose to go to United? If Mata had joined Bayern, Barca, Madrid or PSG in 2014, you won’t be typing what became of his career after leaving Chelsea. Part of being a footballer is making the right choice of where you want to play.

raumdeuter:
Mourinho won the PL like Ranieri also did, Even under Ranieri, Mahrez became the PFA player of the year, Kante became one of the best CM in the world even a Vardy that was written off became of the best strikers in the league

No one said Ranieri is a defensive coach so I don’t know why you are bringing this up.

I am correcting the narrative that says Mourinho is a defensive coach by bringing out different examples of attacking players that have thrived under him.

Mourinho has done this in different clubs. Deco, Lampard, Robben, Sneijder, Ozil, Hazard, Fabregas, etc. The comparison with Ranieri has no leg to stand on.

raumdeuter:
Mata was also discarded by Mourinho and Oscar, we can see what became of his career vs KdBs. They are both about the same age

Mata agreed to sign for a useless team managed by Moyes - what could possibly come good from Man Utd’s Moyes? Mata is solely responsible for the choice he made. You can’t blame the aftermath on Mourinho. The most important detail here is Mourinho won the PL without Mata or KDB - so they were surplus to requirements.

Under Mourinho, Hazard won his only PFA player of the year award in England. How did a defensive coach manage that feat?

Under Mourinho, Harry Kane metamorphosed into a goal/assist monster. England could now play Kane in the hole in Euro 2020 to give way for a striker with pace that can stretch the opposition defence.

Under Mourinho, Sneijder became a beast. He deserved a Ballon d’Or that year but the powers that be gave it to Messi. Under a microscopic lens, it can be deduced that your theory about Mourinho is highly flawed

DeadPresidents:
Give KdB to any progressive minded manager and you'll get results.

I won't credit Pep for Kevin de Bruyne's brilliance.

I'm pretty sure KdB will still perform to optimum levels if Bayern got him first ahead of City.

Mourinho is progressive minded, It’s just that there’s a different standard for him. If Watford signs Mourinho tomorrow, their goal will suddenly become winning the PL in the first season.

With other managers, people are willing to wait few years down the line to achieve that goal but with Mourinho, it must happen within 9 months or he gets the sack. Liverpool wouldn’t have given Mourinho the number of years they gave Klopp before he was able to win CL & PL.

If Mourinho isn’t progressive minded, how did Hazard win the PFA player of the year under him? How did Sneijder become the the best midfielder in the universe in 2010, even carrying his super form to the World Cup to push Netherlands to the final? How did Ozil produce 81 assists in the 3 seasons under Mourinho in Madrid?

raumdeuter:
You remember this KdB played under Mourinho and below was what happened

"Jose called me into his office in December, and it was probably the second big life-changing moment for me. He had some papers in front of him, and he said, 'One assist. Zero goals. Ten recoveries'," De Bruyne said.
"It took me a minute to understand what he was doing. Then he started reading the stats of the other attacking forwards - Willian, Oscar, Mata, Schürrle. And it's like - five goals, 10 assists, whatever.

"Jose was just kind of waiting for me to say something, and finally I said, 'But… some of these guys have played 15, 20 games. I've only played three. So it's going to be different, no?

KDB couldn’t get ahead of Mata, Hazard and Oscar back then. Pogba couldn’t get ahead of Scholes, Carrick, Anderson, Hargreaves. Sancho couldn’t get ahead of Navas, Sane and Sterling. Iheanacho couldn’t get ahead of Aguero.

These players left because they were ambitious and believed in themselves but you people always find a way to blame Mourinho for KDB’s exit at Chelsea. Mourinho’s objective at Chelsea was to win trophies - not to develop any youth and he achieved that objective by winning the PL without KDB.

The idea that it was Pep that developed KDB is also flawed. City paid a club record fee for him. Pep hadn’t met De Bruyne when he scored 16 goals + 28 assists from the Midfield at Wolfsburg. De Bruyne went on to win Bundesliga player of the year, Germany’s footballer of the year. De Bruyne also won Man City’s player of the year a season before Pep arrived.

If Sancho goes back to City in the summer, and he repeats his last season’s feat in the PL, you would find a dubious way to give Pep the underserved credits. De Bruyne was already an established super class player before he met Pep at City.

Lana1:
Cavani up there as my United player of the season. He's been the difference this season

Imagine what we have missed as a centre forward with Rashford/Martial pretending to know what that role entails.

Cavani’s goals are not by accident. His movement in and around the box has to be the best in Europe. He anticipates the pass and he executes the finish with class.

And there were United fans that said he was too old when he was being signed. One idiöt actually said Josh King is a better option at United than Cavani.

Botfuss:
I expected more outrage on this thread than what I’m seeing. Wtf! What the actual f**k!

If not for De gea Heroics, we would be OUT!

I mean, our keeper helped us qualify despite winning 6:2 in the first leg. I don’t want to hear shi about starting some players. What if our key players got injured?are we saying we can’t start 6 u-18 and qualify after winning 6:2 first leg? I’m so mad right now. Never have I ever seen such level of complacency in my life. And it’s all on ole.

OLEOUT! That f**ing joker should leave my club. Wtf! I wasn’t sure we had qualified despite winning 6:2 in the first leg. And my fears were rightly confirmed. Sack the fraud! Sack the bastard! Now!

It’s hard to complain when he qualified for the final.

Ole would say he has a fatter fish to fry in the league games as this game is dead rubber. If Ole needed to score or win, he wouldn’t have made all those changes.

Ole is incompetent but it’s hard to blame him for getting into a final in this manner. United have 4 games in a week. He has to start rotating heavily henceforth.

Reserve your angst for him when he bottles the final. For now, go and buy Guinness stout and Suya to celebrate the first United player and manager to play in a European final.

weedtaker:
Why are people here tearing into our bench players, most of the first team players were also sh!t.


That was how they said we should bin Fred after one season, na the same Fred be first teamer now.

Ole doesn’t rotate. There have been many games this season where the opponents are low level, Ole still rolled out his strongest team in those games.

The bench can mess up a player’s confidence. If Ole doesn’t trust his bench enough, why does he go in front of the camera to lie that he has been heavily backed by the Glazers?

patrickmuf:
You don't play for over 4 - 5 games, there's no way you'll be up to speed in a competitive game...

We will never see the best of VDB until we sign an elite DM.

When one of McFred doesn’t play, you have a midfield where either tackling or interception is missing. Soon as Pogba or Bruno loses the ball(and they do that a lot), the midfield becomes exposed and it’s a free run to the back four.

Without De Gea, Roma could have scored 7 goals tonight.

De Gea made 10 saves in this game.

GOAT level shit.

The best in the world.

olabode89:
I hope Telles was just suffering from lack of play time. He looked lethargic for 45 mins and he kept joining Maguire and Bailly in the center of the defence.

Ole’s instruction.

We have seen Bissaka also doing that several times. I remember the game against Brighton. Ole asks them to tuck in probably to hold Maguire’s hands in the box. Ole knows his expensive CB is clueless.

Ole’s semifinal curse lifted.

Ole’s trophy curse - yet to be lifted.

We shall see in the final against Emery.

The drop in quality when some United players in the first team don’t play is too huge.

I am switching to Arsenal’s game.

United can’t lose from here even if Ole is bewitched

Oasis007:
Ole should sub in Elanga for VDB abegi. The Guy too dey hide.

He’s a team player. I don’t think he hides, he’s far too intelligent than most of the farmers in our team.

If VDB sees a team mate in a better position, he would pass the ball instead of going for glory. I like him but he’s not a good fit for United.

elampiro:
It is called complacency. Fred trying to be Messi would not happen given another situation

I am happy they did 90% of the job last week so they have a right to be complacent.

This is why McFred partnership in the midfield is so essential. Any other combination leaks goals like Sheffield United.

Cavani goal.

Cavani for ballon d’Or

Greenwood missing an open net.

This match is pure comedy.

United didn’t play over the weekend. They had a week’s rest and this is the best they could display?

Expert17:
Degea doing wonders ..... almost 4-1

It should be 5-1 to Roma.

Another save by De Gea.

Making 3 point blank saves by David.

Henderson can never.

People think Henderson is better than this De Gea.

See double save.

Wow!

See Fred.

Fred dribbling at the edge of the box, lost the ball and Roma scored from there.

Thank God this match is dead rubber.

Dzeko scores.

English fridge escorted the ball till Dzeko headed it into the net.

Maguire almost giving away a penalty there by jumping like a ballet dancer.

Had the referee given it, someone here would blame Bailly for it.

Williams coming on for Bissaka.

Telles for Shaw.

Expert17:
I am not judging with this game.

Bailly is the best CB at Manchester United

You can see the calmness at the back with Bailly. I am not scared. I know he can handle any striker by himself because of his recovery pace.

The only good chance Roma had was Shaw jogging when he should be sprinting to pass the ball to De Gea. Shaw got caught on the ball and Roma fizzled a cross into the box.

How anyone can blame Bailly for other people’s bullshit scares me. Bailly is so much better than the English Fridge and the Swedish lēsbian. I am happy United have a congested fixture. We will see more of Bailly before the season ends.

De Gea is too good.

Rashford gets a rest finally.

BARAJ92:
This is a trash talk, How many months, did it take Di Matteo to win both FA Cup and champions league for Chelsea, Flick to win the treble or Zidane to win the champions League.

Di Matteo finished 6th that season. He took over when Chelsea were 5th(I think).

Tuchel met Chelsea in 10th position and he’s now in top 4. He’s in a FA cup final coupled with the fact that he’s eliminated Atletico & Real Madrid since he was hired.

Give Tuchel his flowers.

Joezinho:
Dude, Jose mourinho has won 25 major trophies in his career till date, eight league titles during his career and he has done so in four different leagues: Portugal, England, Italy and Spain. He has won a total of 13 domestic trophies and is a two-time winner of both the Champions League and Europa League..

Won trophies with all those clubs besides spurs, 3 premier League trophies with Chelsea..

Even pep can't win title with spurs..
Spurs were still on a Trophy drought even before Mourinho became manager.

You can call the 1999 tap-in merchant a failure, but don't mention mourinho..

Mourinho didn’t even get a complete season at Spurs.

He joined in November last season when they were 14th. He pushed them to 6th position.

This season, he was sacked few days before a cup final that he worked hard to get. How can one be a failure if he’s not allowed to complete a season or compete in the final he qualified for?

Spurs haven’t won a league title in 60 years. Spurs haven’t won any kind of trophy in 14 years. It looks to me that Tottenham are the failure, not Mourinho. Mourinho will win a trophy again before Spurs do.

As for Olesexuals, we know deep down they know Ole’s performance this season isn’t acceptable but they have gone too far in defending the PE teacher that it would be embarrassing to turn against him.

Even Bruno is saying if Ole wins the Europa, it still won’t be enough. 3 years after with almost £400m spent, Ole should be doing better. Mourinho won this competition under 9 months with a shittier squad.

CapitalCee:
You wont complain but I and many will complain.

Sometimes you have to accept the inevitable.

Ole can’t win any of the available trophies left apart from UEL. I hope he at least proves everyone wrong that he has a small level of dignity in him.

This is not to say I’d accept winning the UEL as a successful season. It’s taken him 3 years, close to £400m spent but it’s something to build on.

Tuchel took over Chelsea 4 months ago and he’s yet to spend a dime on Chelsea and he’s improved them massively - making them the most difficult team to beat in the PL. He hasn’t said anything about DNA or what not like the PE teacher. He just faced the task at hand and rolled his sleeves.

This simply tells me what we demand from Ole isn’t impossible, he’s just an incompetent cünt of a manager. He has to deliver the UEL otherwise his contract shouldn’t be renewed. His supporters in the media would have no other excuse for him if he bottles the UEL.

Botfuss:
We don’t deserve this torture. This is just so sad. To have to choose between shitty and shekpites. I’m in pains.

1) Man City - PL winners.
2) Man Utd - UEL  winners.
3) Chelsea - UCL  winners.
4) Leicester City - FA Cup  winners.

I won’t complain if the season ends like this.

Just checking the Portuguese team for the summer.

This team is well packed and so much better than the last time they won it.

Forwards
Ronaldo, Jota, Bernardo Silva, Joao Felix, Pizzi, Guerreiro, Rafael Silva.

Midfielders
Bruno, Moutinho, Neves, Danilo, Guedes, Renato Sanches.

Defenders
Cancelo, Dias, Ricardo Pereira, Semedo, Pepe, Antunes.

Goalkeepers
Patricio, Anthony Lopes.

Only Portugal can beat Portugal.