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We hope so.
i don't really know the two main candidates but that musician fellow APC brought was all signs of de-marketing. When i saw his picture with the Awolowo, i knew it was all shades of wrong and insensitivity to the yoruba people. He could be killed for that in the North.
Let's hope Adeleke the entertainer improves Osun state.

cutecommend:
When a married Christian falls into adultery with a woman or a man, does he or she need to confess such to his or her spouse, or is repentance enough?

Yes, it will usually save you stress of being victimized and usually makes you more accountable.

Demolakay:
Jesus was nt interested in politics,because he wasn't sent for such,he had a short time,ND d time was for ministerial purposes.And wen I said Jesus was interested in politics,does it mean he would become a king or president? Is God a president or governor of any country? ND still he rules ND dictates d ways of kings l, president etc.Soo Lyk ur assertion,Jesus need nt b king to show u he is a politician.

Secondly,i Neva said being a christian or Muslim or whateva translate to good governance,bt in our present world, religion plays a huge role,even in America, Germany, Canada etc Afta winning d presidency,Joe Biden had to visit d council of churches ND Baptist conference of America,to allay Deir fears concerning some of d policies of Democrats DAT negates biblical principles.Same everywhere! D Muslims in Nigeria are pursuing Deir interest in Nigeria vigorously,derefore d christians too must do everything to protect Deir interest.Saying religion doesn't mata is nonsensical.
thirdly,u said peter obi is of d same cloak as d rest.I nva said obi is a saint,Nah! bt in a country where Dere are Soo many devil's,u go for d lesser one.Tinubu,Atiku epitomizes evrytin DAT is wrong wit Nigeria.Giving Dem a route to d presidency,is rewarding corruption,greed, ethnicity, incompetence,etc. Obi is far beta Dan Dem.He was d governor of Anambra state,he tried his best! he has his flaws tho.Tinubu presides ova d 6th biggest economy in Africa, yet no world class hospital,no world class stadium,no world class road,Lagos is bereft of proper planning,ND is one of d worst places to live in,where are all d billions going to? Yet some pple vaingloriously Continue to praise him as d architect of modern lagos.pls wat is modern Abt Lagos,wen u compare it wit his contemporaries Maroc, Johannesburg,Cairo,Rwanda,Tunis,Algiers etc. Lagos already has a National stadium,A national art theatre,An international airport, Third mainland bridge,Ikoyi link bridge,Apapa port,Tafawa Balewa square,etc DAT were built by d federal government,wen d state was a formal capital.Tell me dose enduring legacies of Tinubu.Peter Obi Neva had d luxury of dose infrastructures I mentioned above.Dey continue to steal d state funds for personal benefits, putting d pple in perpetual poverty ND wretchedness. Soo tell me wat Tinubu has done to warrant him becoming d president,in Oda to fuel his desperation,he decided to play d religion card,ND pple Lyk u continue to tell us it's nt Abt religion bt competence.pls tell me wats competent Abt Tinubu himself ND Ibrahim shettima of Borno,Wu was dere for eight years ND achieve nothing,Oda Dan allowing Boko Haram to fester!

i'll take this one home though "Jesus was nt interested in politics". On that we now agree at least. i really don't wish to campaign for Tinubu or any of the candidates so i would not be answering the bulk of your post.
The matter i presented is simple, doing well in government has very little to do with the person's professed religion. We have seen it countless times, no be today. It should not be the main yardstick we use in accrediting or discrediting the candidates. LoLz, for you to say Obi tried his BEST, i just give up fa.

Epher:
You're not a Christian, you're a wanna be.
With the events happening, you believe Christians are safe? Shettima that has been indicted several times to been a supporter of Boko haram, a group that's after the islaminsation of the country, yet you open your mouth to utter this nonsense.

If your family members were part of those killed in Ondo, maybe your brain would have reset to default.

Indicted by who? Stay away from strong wine please.

kayperry:
Yeah what you said would have made much sense if APC are not the ruling party ... the power of incumbency can never undermined except the presidency just choose not to you use like we've seen in GEJ administration.
Tinubu is showing clearly he does not need East & xtains, mathematically how is that possible, maybe we would have just keep quiet and do our worst if from all indications we trust there will be a credible election. Tinubu desperation for winings has no bound or moral

Nobody is actually doing like they need the East in that sense. PDP that should choose East did not. APC has never been strong in the East. Not to now mention the daily problem of ipob, UGM and continued threats that there will be no elections in the East by ipob. Any sane person will not spend time and resources in a very weak point.
According to the President APC got just 5% or a dot from there so why should Tinubu rationally pick from the East as his strong point? Even Eastern and South South politicians that defect to APC are treated like lepers and betrayers by their fellow tribesmen. Give me two cogent reasons why Tinubu should spend the bulk of his time or resources on the place?
BTW, campaign hasn't even begun in the sense. i am yet to see any of the other candidates do anything remarkable in the East so far, so i wonder why you single out Tinubu. Tinubu that Easterners are even vowing to make him lose his own state. Fear God abeg.

Tinubu has not shown that he doesn't need Christians. He has simply overestimated Christians thinking they will not think like cows like the north. But it is surprising that the Christians now say that they must think like cows. Politics is a game of numbers. All the major parties have a northern muslim as mate because they know how northerners think and behave, why do you now suppose that Tinubu/APC should not have one?
Do you think he's just there to participate like Sowore, Ezekwensili, Moghalu and co usually do? He's there hoping to win. You can't win elections in Nigeria without considering the language the north speaks. The North will vote for Shehu from Gombe before voting for Obama/Clinton/Putin or any person you consider a great leader.
The South used to be vice versa and not so committed.

kayperry:
where did i advocate for south south, from 1999 the country democracy is founded upon muslim/xtain ticket and party have alway honoured it, even among all the parties contesting for 2023 only APC violated the arrangement. i am advocating for what is right, with the confidence boko haram & bandits operate in Nigeria only mischievous people won't see anything wrong in muslim muslim ticket, naa to add arabic to Nigeria flag remains even our currency bears arabic its all adding up now

When you say "at first tinubu discard the eastern region ", you are advocating a South-South candidacy. How do you expect Tinubu to pick a running mate from the Eastern region, or what do you mean by discard?
Nigeria does not start from 1999. You guys conveniently add military dictators to your sentiments but want to start from 1999 to establish same sentiments. What happened to Awolowo, Zik and Abiola? Are they not Nigerians?
Muslins and Christian are not the only religions in Nigeria. There are traditionalists, atheists and co. You have hypocritically cut them off as not mattering. There is no law backing this arrangement you speak of, it is a PDP party thing, not constitutional. And PDP annulled that gentlemanly arrangement by fielding Atiku, a northern fulani Muslim.
Boko haram and bandits operate freely in Nigeria because we have incompetent, sluggish and nepotistic people in power, not because of religion of people in power. They operated with GEJ, Osinbajo and OBJ in power. These were all incompetent professing Christians.
We hope that the security situation gets solved in future but it will not be due to religion of the president but to the competence.

Gospel2Day:
Are you truly, really a Christian as you claim?
I know if even Lucifer incarnates in the person of the Antichrist you will vote for him to rule you.
Continue.
The Muslim bigot people like you voted for in 2015 and 2019 has brought us into the mess we currently face.
How many Muslims have ruled Nigeria in history?
How have their regimes benefitted the country?
My problem with people like you is that you won't see any Christian who is competent to vote for.
It is only the Sheikh of Dubai that is competent, not the Pope of Rome.
Did you hear what Ganduge told Muslims to do in Osun? To vote for a fellow Muslim.

Sentimental fellow. My problem with people like you is that you can never see a competent muslim to vote for, your eyes are blind to competence and only open to religion. You are not different from the people you term "bigot".

goaldynman:
Christians in the south will punish APC by massively voting Peter Obi of LP! THAT'S THE SENSIBLE THING TO DO!

It is only foolish people that are going about protesting as if APC is the only party contesting the election!

The essence of having more than one party is that if a particular party does not represent your interest, you vote another party!!

How does a Christian candidate on the ballot represent Christian interests?
How did Obasanjo on the ballot represent Christian interests?
How did GEJ on the ballot represent Christian interests?
How did Osinbajo on the ballot represent Christian interests?

emapeteum:
So no competent Christians in Nigeria again? Are you not the one that is being sentiment here? Tell me one major thing that made your candidate a more competent candidate than any living Nigerian? Think deep pls and come up with a different thing rather than competency.

One, i don't have a candidate, lol. Two, i didn't mention anyone's level of competence but that we should be issue based in deciding, not sentiments based. Saying you reject someone because of religion or tribe is immature and a bad idea that has not worked so far. Reject, vote, protest based on competence not on religion.
The competent muslims and Christians are free to come out and contest. As you don't like Tinubu or his constitutionally accepted choice, you are free to choose your choice instead of wailing about someone else's rights.

emapeteum:
So today, Muslims are more competent than Christians? You are not a Christian; your points are baseless
Those who fought for the independence of this country were mainly Christians and you are here talking nonsense

There you go again, competence has nothing to do with religion but getting the job done. If an Amediohist would get the job done properly better then a professing Christian or Muslim, go for competence. Stop being sentimental. It's a democracy, not a turn by turnocracy.

Demolakay:
Anoda bunkum from u.was Jésùs involved in politics? Yes!

Joh 6:15  When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. 
Joh 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 

Stop lying for Jesus, i doubt that He appreciates it.

Does Christianity supports christians getting involved in politics? anoda resounding yes! Moses was a judge,a servant of God,ND a politician,because he led d Israelites.David was a servant of God,a king,ND a politician.Throughout d whole of d old testament, every king has a prophet DAT gives Dem direction,advise Dem,ND share d mind of God to Dem on how to govern well.If God is not interested in politics,ND does not want christians involved,why is God interested in putting people Wu are Afta his heart in leadership positions?why do God normally remove Dem,ND install anoda whenever dey veered of from listening to him.Its a lie from d pit of hell,DAT says christians should nt get involved in politics! our church leaders has use dis lines to make d followers docile ND inactive in politics.Tank God dey are realizing Deir mistakes nw,ND making d needed correction.If christians are nt involved,Wu will protect our interest,Wu will fight for us wen tins go south? Wu are d Mordecai,Esther,Moses, Joshua,Ezra,etc DAT will fight our cause, wen d Oda religion is doing wat is inimical to us? u decide to sell urself because of d morsel in ur hand,wen d morsel finishes,wat will u do?

i did not ask for all these story neither did my question go in this line, read again. i did not say that Christians should not be involved in politics, but that Christianity or religious profession has very little part to play in good governance. So been a so called christian governor or president does not mean that you are representing Jesus or christianity. In fact, it does not guarantee a good representation of christians or FOR christians. Cyrus or Nebuchadnezzar or Pharoah can be used by God if He so pleases, just as He is still ruling in the affairs of men today, christian or no christian.

And I Neva agreed DAT Obi is an ipob project.He has many followers in d south west here, including me,ND am nt ipob.He has followers in d South East too,and all ova, expecially among d youths Wu c him as a breath of fresh air.Infact Tinubu qualified for DAT adjective more! by trying to whip up religious sentiments because he is desperate to achieve his long aim of becoming d president.Lets c how far he can go.

Well, you never denied the ipob link but said Tinubu is ALSO carried by BokoHaram and islamists. BTW, i did not say Obi is an IPOB project, Stop putting words into my mouth if you cannot quote me properly. i said that the Obi party/campaign is riding on ipobic wings. It has been hijacked by ipobic elements who want to use it for their own insane agenda and Obi is docile about it. There is nothing fresh about Obi, he has been there for over 15years wining and dining and ruling with the same set of corrupt people which he is part of. There is nothing outstanding or fresh about him both past, present and future. He is a criminal like all the others, just that he is turning out to be the smooth criminal because he can deceive you and ipob too can use you.

kayperry:
Call it strategy or whatever, the truth here is that half of the population have being marginalized base on a sub section region terms & condition that is WRONG in all ramfication .. if a house must stand the test of time, the foundation Must be RIGHT, can you discard sand and use only CEMENT becos that were the strength lies
Even a dullard buhari picked a pastor twice, at first tinubu discard the eastern region and now he is confidently passing a message the Xtains Vote (half electorate) don't matter or count to Apc, what could be giving him such confidence, there is a plan he is banking on.
if it is not Malpractice/Rigging using incumbency then what ?

Lol, look at you advocating for a South South pairing for President and VP and then hypocritically denouncing a Muslim Muslim pairing. Na wa for you people oh.

efepeppereski:
You people should stop insulting our intelligence by using the word "competence" to support the muslim-muslim ticket. What is competent about Tinubu and Shettima? Did Shetimma transform Borno state to Dubai during his tenure as governor of the state? Did Tinubu transform Lagos to London as governor of Lagos State? If no, y are u guys now insulting Christians by attributing competence to both of them like they were not the typical state Governors. Justify your muslim-muslim ticket with another word. Never use that word competence on both Tinubu and Shetimma

You forgot to ask what Obi transformed Anambra into.
i didn't say that any candidate was competent but that we should debate and vote based on candidates competence, not religion or tribe.

kayperry:
So to the best of your knowledge, Competence is exclusive to section of people.
By 2027 if PDP present a xtain xtain ticket citing competence will northerners accept, how about what is good for the goose is good for the gander and isnt it funny that this so called Competence is always targeted at favouring the North muslims all the time.
Shouting you are a xtain means nothing because i know many xtains that don't even believe in church or own a bible.
Just yesteday, two pope were kidnapped again by bandit in kaduna ... mosques don't even have gatemn buh they are the safest places in Nigeria, how come imams never get kidnapped. APC need to stop abusing that word Competence

Vote for your candidate based on his competence, not on his religious profession. That's the point. How has the pastor in Aso Rock favored you or the Church of Christ? How did Bishop OBJ and Reverend GEJ favor Christianity? When are you going to learn that good governance has very little to do with tribe or religion?

Demolakay:
U started ur write up as an unbiased ND factual individual,bt towards d end u showed ur inclination.Ur nt a christian,ND if u are,uv actually sold ur birthright for a plate of porridge.if u talk abt competence,is d APC candidate beta Dan d PDP,APC candidate? u talk abt som1 being carried Abt on ipob wing.Is Bola Tinubu nt also being carried on Boko Haram,ND islamist wing? ur nothing bt a cunny,two faced tribal bigot,hypocrite,self seeking,gluttonous individual.continue to consume d plate of porridge ur being served now,bt in d future,pray ur children will not look back ND regret avin u as a father,if wit d recent events unfolding,u still cannot c wats coming for christians in Nigeria,in which u claim ur one,den ur irredeemable.

Is politics your birthright? Did Jesus want to be a politician? Is He interested in His Body being a politician today, has He changed?
The point is very clear, make your decisions based on the competence of the candidates, not their religions. Good that you agree on the ipob thing, so many are naively deceived.

BeigJawnson:
Stop been a bigot and a tribalic maggot here... Been a good person is not all about religion, if you talk of bad pastors and bad bishops, are you trying to tell us here on nairaland that there ain't bad Muslims too? Those who burnt Deborah to death are what? Christains or Muslims? Those killings in tha up north, are tha killers Muslims or Christians?

That's the point, being good at governing isn't necessarily about your religion. Bad behavior too is from any religion. So religion is a very weak yardstick for elections decisions.

kelvinginzie:
You are not a christian

Lol. Judge not.

Interesting, those ones are representatives of their pockets and ipod, not Christians. i am a Christian and i will take competence over religion at any time 't'. Many of them will apply to Dangote refinery whose head is a muslim, they will fly Emirates owned and piloted by muslims. But they want to be sentimental in choosing leaders.
How many so called pastor and reverend. bishop bosses are as wicked as Lucifer to their staffs? So many so called Christian/Pastor governors and proprietors owing salaries, and oppressing their subordinates.

Point is good head and government has very little to do with religion. i will rather have the sheikh of Dubai rule me than some smooth criminal carried on ipobic wings.

chymeze:
For Tinubu to have confidently made this choice of a Muslim -muslim ticket despite knowing the consequences shows that he has something cooking for the elections in terms of rigging

What are the consequences apart from you not voting for him? It's a democracy, simply vote for your preferred candidate instead of having headaches and hallucinations over another candidate. Governance needs to come above ridiculous criteria like religion. If you are looking for work now or booking flights tickets, you don't look for Christian oga or pilot. It's jumbo pay, good work conditions and safety you are after.

Lol, the are all politicians, hopeless. The good thing is that we all know Atiku very well, and also Tinubu. The bad thing is that some people on SM have been been hit by-
A smooth criminal.

LordReed:
Are you saying Jesus didn't really want him to sell his things, he was just testing him?

Also if you are single and fully own a house how do you just leave the house, are you saying Jesus means you should just abandon it unused?

i'm saying Jesus Christ knew that particular man could not do it(sell all). No one can obtain eternal life by DOINGs/works. For another person, Jesus Christ may say something else, like no anger, or no immorality, or no pilfering etc. Everyone has different weaknesses or besetting sins. Jesus Christ wasn't asking everyone for all time to sell all, He was addressing that particular man.

In marriage, a Christian leaves father and mother to cleave to the spouse. Leaving them doesn't mean abandoning or disowning or selling them. It means your marriage takes a higher spot than them. That's how you leave all, you prefer and hold on to God/Jesus above all.

LordReed:
Great! Here's one for you to add to that then:


Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.



22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Totally different and very direct/specific to the man.

Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

This particular man wanted to do something(works) to get eternal life, Jesus Christ simply showed him how impossible it is. He doesn't say every man or whosoever shall sell all.

See the difference in the disciples, they didn't sell all and give to the poor. The all was clearly stated. house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands. They LEFT, that is, it wasn't their priority. i believe that you know that the same Peter had a house, wife, and in law. Peter didn't SELL his brethren or children to give to the poor, he LEFT them. Very different. Learn and understand.

LordReed:
If you want to be that way, where in the Bible does anyone specifically speak to you or ask you specifically to do anything?

Be like how? The Bible is clear about God's Word to all men, God's Word to His children, and God's Word to individuals. There are things to learn from every situation but it is very important to RIGHTLY divide the Word of God as against twisting and misunderstanding scriptures.

1. Joh 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This is a clear condition for all men including me.

2. Mat 5:6 KJV Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Another very direct and clear scriptures for me.

3. Mar 9:23 KJV Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Another very clear place that God is speaking to me.

Do you need more? It is very clear also when God is speaking specifically to an individual and saying "Go to Joppa" or "Go to a city and loose a donkey".
Again, i ask you where did Jesus say what you said to me. i plead that you get to the point and avoid rigmarole.

LordReed:
Well I guess the Bible is wrong then. LoLz.

Where in the Bible did He say that to me?

LordReed:
It was Jesus that written as saying that you should give your all to the needy so go argue with him, since you think he is alive somewhere.

He said that to me? i never saw it,He said He didn't.

LordReed:
I dunno why you are arguing with me, you should go argue with Jesus. LoLz.

Why?

LordReed:
I am beginning to lean towards this opinion because it seems too convenient for these pastors that are building financial empires on the backs of their followers. Jesus is coming soon for the past how many decades. The god doesn't know the meaning of soon or quick?

This again shows a huge level of ignorance about the Bible and God's ways. Christ's coming doesn't stop you or anyone from doing great and beautiful accomplishments. It actually motivates you. Many of you, including some misinformed Christians assume that the world is being prepped/prepared for the antichrist. You miraculously/conveniently forgot that(according to the Bible where you
read about Jesus coming) the antichrist would actually be around/reign for 7 years which might still be shortened. Meanwhile Jesus Christ will be around and reign for a millennium/1000 years. So, tell me, how it doesn't make sense to build and overbuild sef.

My only problem will be if people are being squeezed and pressured to give, though giving definitely comes with its blessings. In the case of the OP, this is not the case.

LordReed:
I can confidently say they are not spending N100bn on the needy. And who said anything about spending your all on the needy? Not me but Jesus supposedly did. LoLz.

And why on earth or heaven should they be spending N100bn on the needy? How much are you spending on the needy that you want them/others to spend N100bn on the needy?
They spend on the needy and they also spend on church buildings. Since you are not happy despite not putting N1 there, that's why it is taken that you want them to spend ALL on the needy.
If indeed you don't expect/want them to spend all on the needy, how much is sufficient for you, any figure?

KILLTHECOWS:
oga be honest to yourself..
Can you Muslims tolerate if a Christan president is leaving and handing over to another Christian president and VP?
We know what happened during GEJ.
So know know Christian can deliver good governance in all the north?

It's government, not heaven. Are you a muslim or do you want to be a muslim?
What happened during GEJ. He was booted out for the high level of incompetence, insecurity and economic embarrassment. His loss had no religious undertone. You can argue about tribe or not being a northerner, but not about religion.

Delusions of grandeur.

Church and politics, mba