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AntiChristian:
If he was rich then what Jesus said to the rich man is the same thing he meant with Nicodemus!

The word of God is for everyone. This is very clear and important for you at the moment.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

AntiChristian:
I am rich! So i think i'm okay with Jesus and the rich man.....follow the commandment verses!

And you assume Nicodemus was poor right?

Lollittaa:
you're the real definition of a hypocrite. Don't quote me again, dirty religious (potential) child molester

You had to go and quote my name and falsely accused me on another thread, hian. Fear God ma. Be reasonable.

HardMirror:
i have done the above bolded. infact i used to be an uncommitted christian as a kid, not like i did not love and fear god, but i was just a kid doing kid stuff. then when i grew a bit older, my senior secondary school days, i became more and more conscious about God, his will for my life and commitment to God. then i started doing all the above that you recommended. i grew very quickly in faith. i became very passionate about soul winning..... got baptized in water and in the holy spirit. all i wanted was to be whatever God wanted me to be, nothing else matters. God was the very beginning and end for me. I had an habit of reading the bible genesis to revelation withing 4-5months and i would write down what the holy spirit was ministering to me as i read. i lived like this until i got to 400 level when i began to access other information about my faith and the history of Christianity. i cannot deceive myself. these contrary information i was getting were factual, i struggled for a long time dismissing them with all manner of excuses, but i knew i was not being honest with myself. indeed, the whole scriptures were questionable, the whole christian experience was questionable, i just had to admit it.
why are some miracles never possible?
the ones we even think we are sure of, how real are they?
what exactly makes a christian better than a muslim or even an unbeliever?
asking practical questions from people like witches (yes i was a deliverance minister so had access to people coming for deliverances) proved that they were delusional and had no powers actually, they could be said to have mental issues, even thought it did not affect them from living normal lives, but they really were delusional.
i used to see angels, demons, spirits etc. all of a sudden i realized i was hallucinating, they were not real. i had put myself in that mental state aided by the effects of prolonged fastings and prayers.
the bible is full of contradictions, and outright lies everyother useful information there are commonsense wisdom. the othrstuff that should really distinguish the bible are practical lies.
what is the actual history of my dear religion. how did it start, where did the bible come from, etc and i realized this religion is just a man made religion.

i have had discussions with friends, they all are unable to defend or answer questions i am asking. all they want to do is refer to what the bible says. question is, is the bible even from god. a book just tells you hell, heaven, jesus, god, donkey, snake, dragon and you just believe and why do you believe? because the book says you should believe.

i have seen a lot and experienced a lot. i have learned lot and investigated a lot. this whole religion thing is man made, that is why when it faces real practical questions, all you can do is claim only god knows or you shift the goal post, you find excuses. that is why hospitals a booming, that is why pastors are quickly evolving to preach prosperity and make the church a place of entertainment and motivational speaking, because they quickly are finding out they cannot sustain the lies that god answers prayers, so they have to adopt to the realities. tb Joshua tried so much to sustain the aura that there are spiritual powers but we keep seeing him exposed when ever it really mattered. it is same story everywhere. i listen to pastors teach now and i laugh, because these words meant life and death to me when i was a believer, but now they sound so stupid, i realize they are just saying nonsense because the listeners are conditioned to take it as wisdom and word from a god. when you really think about what is being said, it is all childish nonsense.

We used to encourage people to go for purity over power, they don't usually hear. Then, they may become murrormirror. You lacked a good teacher(s) as a Christian. You were more surrounded with the imbalance of prayers and powers. Matthew 7v21 people.

HardMirror:
is that your definition of faith?
Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid, is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept. In the context of religion, one can define faith as "belief in a god or in the doctrines or teachings of religion"

.. fine so whose personality integrity do atheists trust in?

You wrote and must have read "thing or concept", did you?

HardMirror:
please make this easy for everyone here. assume we cannot see what you are seeing, just tell us what evidence you have for God shikena. make this thing easy please. you just like talking like someone who does not think or have sense at all. simple question that can be answered simply you wast time beating about the bush.

just give one single evidence for you god.

Oh God, better come down and reveal Yourself to the irrelevant minority oh, or else.

Jokers.

HardMirror:
that word "true" that is why i created the topic that christians hate each other. you guys pretend to be all good, but you actually are full of hate. what do you mean by true children of god enjoy a sweet life. you say this because you know there are christians living very miserable lives, but you would have to claim "true" christians are always enjoying so that you can cut those suffering off your religion.
these are the kinds of tactics you guys employ to keep people deceived that there is actually something in the religion people should find, and they are not happy because they have not found it.

Every good thing has a counterfeit. How you turn logic on the head to call it hate is magical.

BassReeves:
Please dont misconstrue judgment as killing

Ouch

Well said

Acts 8:34-40
'34The eunuch replied to Philip,
“Please tell me, about whom does the prophet say this? About himself or about someone else?”
35Then Philip spoke and beginning with this Scripture he preached Jesus to him
[explaining that He is the promised Messiah and the source of salvation].
36As they continued along the road, they came to some water; and the eunuch exclaimed,
“Look! Water! What forbids me from being baptized?”
37[Philip said to him, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he replied, “I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]
38And he ordered that the chariot be stopped; and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.
39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord [suddenly] took Philip [and carried him] away [to a different place]; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but he went on his way rejoicing.
40But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the good news [of salvation] to all the cities, until he came to Caesarea [Maritima].'

Brah, all due respect, Enoch and Elijah are no exception to the 'Valar Morghulis' rule because just as like with every other mortal like us, they after their teleportation experiences, ended up being six foot under.

Case in point, Philip was teleported, just as well as Enoch and Elijah were.

No Bass, Phillip went on to where we both know, settled there and procreated prophetesses. Enoch was not, for God took him.

kimco:
So you are saying, naturally, man is religious? This you have to give evidence to. You can cite a research to that effect. Im wiling to learn.

You're the one that relies heavily on research and science, i don't. It's like me asking you to write your thesis in my language instead of the language you studied in. While it's possible, it's not very convenient. But since you continue to insist, i will point you to links in "the language you understand" Check this and this. Or Google "man is naturally religious", maybe you'll find what you are looking for. Me, na Bible and experience i go quote for you.

Lollittaa:
you're the real definition of a hypocrite. Don't quote me again, dirty religious (potential) child molester

i am here to declare your sins and show you your transgressions, whether you are mummy GO or 17year old. Blame God i think, not me. i don't do partial judgements.

Workch:
It doesn’t matter, it can’t occupy space because it doesn’t exist.

Get a chatbuddy. You always quickly end up the empty barrel.

Workch:
Skydaddy won’t show up when it matters.

So shameful

When does it matter?

Lollittaa:
[color=magenta]leave the fo.ol to be talking nonsense. One day, his 12 year old daughter will be "ripe" enough for penetrative sex by another pervert, like him. [/color]

Disgusted mummy GO ma, cursing and negative affirmation does not solve this matter. It only makes you a sinner like the OP's brother, different sins same sinners.

wirinet:
You are just confusing and conflating issues in order to justify your depraved view that the 17 year old has some blame in her rape by her father. Yes when an adult have sex with a minor - whether consensual or not, it is considered rape. Then the rape was by her father who should be her most trusted authority on this earth. That you even suggested that the man was tempted to rape his minor daughter because she did not sleep well or sit appropriately is the height of depravity. In most homes, adult girls walk around the house in only wrapper or towel when around only close family members like their father, brothers or even uncle (I advice against this nowadays).

I am still trying to figure out why you think a man should ever be sexually attractive to his daughter even if she is stark naked. Not just I but many people here find it repugnant.

You seem to project all men as sexual perverts who get aroused by every woman they see, be it daughters, sisters, family relations, and even mothers. You fail to acknowledge that most African families prior to westernisation and urbanisation lived in large family units all crammed in one or few rooms, mostly semi naked, and men were not raping their daughers or other family members.

I hope you are not projecting your personal experience on everyone else.

Wearyone, i read you ironically lamenting that "No responsibility, no consequences and no karma". But i ask people to be responsible and you have a problem with it. You have been shown that a 17year old has more responsibility than a 6year old. You have been unable to answer if the age is the problem for you or the relationship. Again, does the girl automatically get responsible after she's no more a minor according to law? Is it okay for the dad of a 40year old to sleep with her? You've shyed away from this.
i don't think a man should ever be sexually attractive to his daughter, i know that unfortunately, many men are sexually attracted to unclothedness including daughters and 17year olds. Except you are blind and deaf, you will easily see that from the news, right here on NL and maybe even experience with people around. It is sadly, not shocking to hear men sleep with young girls or marry them. You must have being in the higher institution before as a 100L student. You must have seen/heard what your female mates did. Many of them were 17year olds. The unfortunate point is that our particular OP says that his brother is SLEEPING with, not RAPING his daughter. Say whatever else in court, but there is a physical and terrible difference that you refuse to see between a 17year old daughter being forced by her father, and one sleeping with her father. make all the excuses for her, but she has some blame. For God's sake, her mother was in the NEXT ROOM. Like they say, it's fool me once shame on you, fool me twice it's shame on me.
Religion or Bible aside, i will reexplain to you that all men are not like you or the same. That you find it disgusting and are not moved doesn't mean many others are not. And stop this silliness about people were not sleeping with their daughters before. That it was an abomination and had a law is a valid suggestion that some people were doing it. Maybe not rampant or open, but hey there was no social media. Man has always being a sinner, though waxing worse. A male gynecologist, or a love-vendor or a notorious club guy may not get the "hardon" you guys are asking for like a virgin 15year old boy, that doesn't mean the boy is more lewd than them. You seem to parallel/equate 'hardons' with depravity. If there will be a solution, everyone involved have to take responsibility. If you like keep spitting and vomiting like the pregnant woman in nollywood movies.

wirinet:
You lie, bare face.

Yes i started out here in the religious section, and I agree I was notorious according to you, but to try to convince people on why they should not be religious? NEVER. Then I was passionate about correcting all scientific falsehood you guys propagate.

I found peace in myself. I don't need to convince anyone on my beliefs or lack of thereof to find peace. Instead it allowed me to expand my mind to accommodate everybody and accept them on the basis of who they really are and not on what the portend to believe. I have muslim friends and staff, pentecostal Christian friends and staff, a strong traditionalist as a good friend, etc.

How can you say you NEVER try or tried to convince people not to be religious? What is then the point of your posts, you are submitting assignments? Keep your posts to yourself or go speak them in the bush, people are convinced by what they read. So my dear weary one, by auto, you are convincing people anytime you or anyone posts on forums. Good to see your tolerance, it's better for your existence and sanity, really. Imagine having everyone around and close to you believing in God/gods. You were intelligent enough to tolerate them, don't know if you'll do same if you had Hitler's powers in future though.

Workch:
Still none of the believers can win money in his name?

Life is hard for believers of skydaddy, they get humiliated whenever the words “proof” and “evidence” comes to light.

Not one out of billions of believers can win the money. It’s a shame

You're free to go and meet the people who life is hard for. They may be interested in your jokes.

kimco:
You statement

"Man is by default, religious"

Is what we are talking about. That statement is not evidenced. Man is by default ignorant, therefore non theist(in relation to religion, for now). I use non theist because i believe one needs to have information of said Gods to claim atheism. But if one is ignorant of said Gods, I believe he is non theist. Corrections are welcomed.

Again the null hypothesis is that man doesn't know anything until environmental exposure. To form any religious concept of anything man needs to be exposed to these things. My point about predating is very relevant because you tried to pass early men believes as the definition for "Default". It is established that man is sexual by nature, it is demonstrated and reason have been given. That which you have not done yet so the parallel drawn by you is just drawn for drawing sake. Until you can establish this fact that we have in our DNA the need to be religious we will assume that man is not by default (nature, as you put it) religious.
Also If you could provide your definition for religious, that might clear things up.

And I don't think anyone claimed religion was imported rather that the judeo-christian religion was imported. You can disregard anyone saying otherwise, I'm with you on that.

Brother, i don't have the strength for all this grammar policing. If you do not want or like "by default", take "by nature". All these six and half a dozen argument doesn't save anybody. Illustration is not necessarily a parallel. Illustration is done so that you can see the unseen or complex through means that are easier or that you are used to. Worship/Devotion/Religion is largely a spirit thing BTW. i hereby disregard all the atheists and wannabes on NL except kimco.

AntiChristian:
So why didn't Jesus tell the rich man to be born of water and spirit? Or why take the one he told Nicodemus and reject the one he told the rich man?

This is logical! It's either being born again means the same thing he told the rich man or there are two ways to heaven!

Certainly you are not the rich man, are you. Here is your business as a man, mind it.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Workch:
How come your skydaddy made it so difficult for you to prove his existence?
Damn, I don’t envy you aswear

To prove His existence? Why would He need to prove His existence when the majority believe that He exists? Can you be reasonable at all or all you do is tell jokes. All the "existence" that He showed and proved to the Israelites in the wilderness, how many of them got to Canaan? What do you call people who do the same things and expect a different result?

Pelecius:
Evangelism is done more in New atheism than in Christianity, with high priests: Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, Neil deGrasse, Christopher Hitchens, etc with anti God sites serving as 'worship' centers inorder to get half truths to cement their beliefs

And they fear persecution like sissies, lol. May God open the eyes of christians to our task.

LordReed:
Valar Morghulis.

Except for Enoch and Elijah and of cause those who are alive at the rapture.

Workch:
Go and prove your imaginary friends exist and win money. At least you will stop arguing with me in nairaland

You are not deaf or blind, i mentioned to you several times that i do not need to prove God to you or anyone. People are not on NL because they don't have money, your mindset is really warped. Do you see why i said you have a very low quality education, you have gone to school but evidently school did not go through you.

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Victorinho, it is well with you. But i need to state that you should please change this attitude of yours. For God's sake, GMAIL is free. You can open 10 accounts if you want. You are looking for money and earning around 15k. Someone offers you a job of about 60-90k and tells you to email her. And you cross leg telling the person to send you a whatsapp message so that you can talk about it??!!! As in, in this Nigeria? It is well oh, i pray with you and i believe the OP will still go ahead to help you, but please. Stop behaving like that. It is all shades of wrong.

Workch:
”God is not sold for money”

Are pastorpreneurs joke to you?

Speak english, i do not understand assumptions neither do i read minds.

HardMirror:
IF ONLY, JUST IF ONLY YOU GUYS WOULD PLEASE WATCH AND LEARN SOMETHING AT LEAST ONCE IN YOUR LIVES I AM BEGGING YOU ALL.

Why is this video and Randi so so important?

1. James Randi is perhaps one of the most prominent magicians in history. people had always wondered if magic was real, something supernatural. James Randi dedicated his life to teaching us that magic, the supernatural does not exist and to prove it he created the RANDI Challenge where he challenge ANYONE that thinks he has any paranormal ability of ABSOLUTELY ANY KIND to come to the show and prove that he or she has any paranormal ability and he would pay that person $1,000,000 (One Million Dollars) and since 1998 no one, NOBODY has been able to win this money, despite thousands of people taking the challenge and claiming just the way you would also come here and claim the supernatural is real.

i find it amusing that you have forgotten that when you were a christian, you must have warned people about psychics, magicians and faith healers. The devourer devoured that part of your brain? Do i need to quote a couple of scriptures that warn us of such people? How do you assume that a deceiver(Randi) telling us what we already know, will suddenly make us like you? Magic is not miracle, no normal christian thinks they are same.
BTW, 2 things about why you may be wondering about the $1million challenge, one not everyone is aware, just like it seems you found out recently, many don't have the faintest idea, not to talk of try. Secondly, a genuine MOG is not a show man or motivated by such call. Come and perform miracle for money is not exactly a holy or scriptural thing to do.

2. do you really want the truth or you want to continue to live in fantasies. i am a living proof too, all these so called claims of Juju, witches, people who have powers etc are all lies. such people do not exist. it is funny some people still think there are real magicians that have real powers despite many videos being available online that would teach you how these incredible magic tricks are done. they are just tricks.

i just hope somebody would actually take time to watch, listen and learn.

Like i have stated, there is nothing new to learn from the video. Many genuine christians know the scam of false prophets, motivational talkers, mentalists etc.

it is so painful to see people deeply deceived that there is a spiritual force that affects the physical and yet once closely investigated we always find that they are just lies.

You've not been close enough. There are genuine miracles and several testifiers of the miracle powers both from genuine and fake. If you watched the end of your film, most of the characters unfortunately continue in their craft. That's the problem, the fake will continue despite it all, because your daddy the devil wants it so. If they didn't continue, how will people be deceived and confused like you?

That reminds me, talking about genuine, i mentioned a couple to you recently instead of the one(s) you are busy listening to to confirm your deception. i've been recently 'following' my dear pastor Kumuyi and see what he's doing(or rather what God is doing) on the social media. Heard he's having a monthly crusade. You may link up and watch this same AUGUST month instead of the waste of time you begged us to watch here. If you have money and time, go there live. He's inside Nigeria with you, and i am sure you wouldn't get much drama or restraint there. i'll make sure to remind you by God's grace. Otherwise, wait for others like Shiloh, Holy Ghost Congress and co at the end of the year. Stop watching from afar on your armchair/bed. Go to the camps and look for miracle there. Go and meet testifiers, follow them home, do videos and interviews, do investigative work like what your hero did. Bust real, not just make noise on NL.

This documentary cuts across board, it would help you rethink a lot of the so called super natural you so much believe in. I know some people would argue that there are still real powers in blah blah place. see i have challenged so many people offline with such claims and at the end they always just waste my time, the problem is you really want to believe and you fall for the lies, if you start thinking critically and questioning, you just need to use your brain, you would see that these lies are not holding up. there are no proves, they are just stories and assumptions.



An Honest Liar documents the life of former magician, escape artist, and skeptical educator James Randi, in particular the investigations through which Randi publicly exposed psychics, faith healers, and con-artists.

please watch patiently and leave your review after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-_XQJ5-pKQ

How do you leave out the fact that your Randi hero was himself thoroughly deceived for 25years by his gay boyfriend/husband/wife? This gay Jose deceiver was himself deceived by someone else that helped him make a fake passport. Facepalm all over. All the so called experts at knowing deceptions are themselves been openly deceived but they cannot think enough to see it. Abegi, go sit down. The name of the film should be deceiver being deceived while exposing fellow deceivers. Homosexual people who do not know what they are doing or where they are going want to tell us what to do. In the words of Victorinho "SPITS".

Workch:
You could be rich now but you can’t prove imaginary friends

Comedian, if you were ever a real christian, you'll know that God is not sold for money. In the voice of Peter, " your money perish with you". When they say that you were never a christian or that you're a wannabe atheist now, you will start gnashing teeth.

LordReed:
The sad truth is that until you are on your own most parents will brook no opposition to their religious ideas. I would say wait until you move out before you brooch the subject.

And must the OP "brooch" the subject? Must you people evangelize?

HardMirror:
IF ONLY, JUST IF ONLY YOU GUYS WOULD PLEASE WATCH AND LEARN SOMETHING AT LEAST ONCE IN YOUR LIVES I AM BEGGING YOU ALL.

Jokers. Like buda said, randi is not a new thing, seems you just discovered this new lollipop. So you really expect a person with a living experience with the living God, who has been teaching and warning many about psychics, faith healers and magicians to disbelieve the living God because Randi is "saying" what we have been saying for decades? O wrong now. Very wrong.

HardMirror:
to everyone who used to be a believer and now skeptics, i celebrate you guys. people do not know the amount of courage and strength it takes to admit one is wrong, one has been deceived.
i sincerely celebrate you guys, seun, lordreed, Johnnydon, hopefullandlord, hahn and many others i cannot mention right now. you guys have been patient, resilient even in the face of senseless arguments, you keep trying to let people know they are being deceived. sometimes i have to employ very aggressive mean topics to catch the attention of readers, because they are not listening, they are not trying to learn. they are not thinking.
James Randi could have exploited people, he was telling them the truth, trying to set them free, but they instead turned him to their enemy. same thing happening here. we are seen as the enemy. we must keep trying our best to let people realize the supernatural has no sufficient proof. every claim of miracles has and can be explained, if only people would listen and not see it as an attack against their religion.

Lol, comedians. The boys with an experience are not at the mercy of dead people's arguments. Thank You Jesus.

kimco:
Are you saying man is naturally religious because of cave paintings? I must humbly disagree. But you are free to establish that claim by providing evidence. Painting are not evidence of religion being in man's nature. Only that early men were religious. Establish the correlation then i will understand you.

And also if you agree that ignorance predates religion why are you saying man is by default religious? The null hypothesis states that man is ignorant of his world and has no worldview. That's what I want you to understand. Your statement is wrong. Early men worship higher authority does not equate man being religious by default....

Default equals "before external interference"

i do not refer to cave painting but to cave men. This is because of the insinuations that religion was imported. This is not true, because if we go to the extremes of uncivilized people i.e cave men, we find them also religious. We both agree that early men were religious which is FINE.
The talk about predating is irrelevant and off point. Just like i mentioned, sexuality is innate. That humans don't generally have sex or want to until after puberty doesn't mean it's not an instinct. Whatever hypothesis you attach to man doesn't make his sexual feelings imported. It is the same with religion. Man doesn't need external help to be religious. Go from the most educated to the crudest cave man, the human being looks for something or someone to be religious about.

Workch:
Celestial North Korean, why running from pillar to post?

Apparently, you're the one running around. i have maintained the same fact on your minority and irrelevance.

wirinet:
To me, there is no difference between a 17 year old and and 8 year old in terms of sex. I could never have sex nor support any full grown adult to have sex with any girl less than 18 years.

R Kelly is serving jail time for having sex with 15 year olds.

There's no difference to you because you are dead and without conscience. For you to equate the innocence of a 8 year old to that of a 17year old, it shows the real depravity. So for you, the crime magically jumps of or becomes okay as the child steps into 18year old or something. Since you are so particular with the minor number, should we assume that you are convenient with a father sleeping with his 30year old daughter?

It is mindsets like yours that made people like me pick interest in this sort of thread. Normally and usually, i don't. Are there not people agitating for the change of law or constitution? Are you saying that if the constitution is changed tomorrow, and it is now legal for 13year olds to marry, then this is no more pedophilia to you? Because you are hiding so hard behind that one finger of the law, despite admittance that you were not an angel at 17. Do you realise that the thread deliberately reads that the father is sleeping with the daughter? If it said father raped daughter, that is terrible. What you miraculously cannot see is that it is of more terrible concern for a father to be sleeping with his 17year old daughter instead of "raping" her. How can you know the difference, pornography probably blocked your brain to the difference. What is needed is a real discussion on what are the probable root causes. Not just the usually shouts about how people are sick or pedophiles or deserve to be hanged by the balls. Do you think that really deters anything? Why do you want to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result? Or perhaps, you do not expect a different result after all.