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Did i just read 'empty head'? Make una take am easy oh. My church is better than your church fa.

mazaje: You are just funny and a terrible apologist. . .So now I am on the same level with this god of yours that you claim is all powerful and can do all things?. . .You are deluded. . .If I am all powerful , love humans, want to be in a special relationship with them, and also have the ability to do all things, then there won't be such unnecessary suffering in the world. . .I will eradicate Ebola. . .heck, human beings are running around in a frenzy, risking the only life they have to save others infected with the disease, yet your god that is said to be able to do all things is just there looking and watching babies vomit and bleed themselves to death?. . .You are a better person that this god you are trying to advertise, I am putting it to you that if you have the ability to heal a baby you see vomiting and bleeding its self to death you will do it without thinking twice. . Your god can not do it, not because he doesn't want to but because he is imaginary. . Your god can only heal people in the pages of story books(bible) but not in reality. . .

You're ranting you know?

mazaje: Nope. . .I won't. . .

That's my exact point. The fact that someone/God can do something or has even done it before doesn't mean he/He will do it again now. You lack base to criticize God for not healing since He claims He can/did. You're doing same in your little human shoes without batting a lid. You seemed pleased even.

mazaje: I have helped a friend with 5 million naira before when I saw that he needed it. . .A friend once helped me with 40,000 euros before as well when I needed it. . .

So would you help a friend of mine with 1million naira?

mazaje: what are you saying ?. . You are just all over the place. . .Your mother you said will allow you cancerous arm to be amputated instead of losing you, right?. . .The question is if your mum has the ability to stop you from getting cancer she will not even allow you to get cancer in the first place. . .secondly the god idea you subscribe to is a sadistic and barbaric god idea, he is nothing close to humans, humans do NOT behave like your god, your god is a monster. . .stop comparing the love humans share btw them and their kids to the imaginary love that exist btw you and your sadistic god idea. . .No parent will EVER burn his child in fire for 100 years for disobeying him/her. So stop comparing the love that exist btw humans and their kids with the sadistic kind of god that exist btw you and your imaginary god. . .

Read what you bold again, i said she would and should for the greater good. This would probably be too much for your unbelieving self, but mankind is a whole and God would 'amputate' dead wood and take in the innumerable multitudes of saved ones. Sinners are not children of God. Adam had ability not to get the cancer. He was given the ability.
Also, it was dapo that started the love comparison which is a good one BTW.

mazaje: Which question?. . .

Can you help a beggar or even a friend with 50, 000 naira? Maybe yes, but would you?

Dragonking: ^^^^Typical examples of brainwashed black
slaves..it is because of you thats why this country
is in a mess..
America invested in science, Nigeria invested in
Religion. Ebola came, Nigerians (black slaves) are
praying for American science...useless people.

Christian doctors and scientists are working on the ebola virus at this moment. Stop playing the dullard.

frosbel: ^^

See how religion has blinded you, where did it mention Hell in the verses above ? SMH.

Where does the wrath to come put the unsaved?

DrummaBoy: I hope Image123 is seeing this. I hope he won't come again and say people are not preaching "tithe or burn". I do not know what else to call the OP.

Oh common, i've said it several times that the teaching of tithes (like virtually every other bible subject e.g prayer, baptism, holy spirit etc) has its abuse, misuse and right use. i say it again, i have yet to hear any major Nigerian preacher condemn one to hell for not giving tithes. i have also said and say again that if they do, i think they're wrong. Stop harassing me up and down about tithes, i thought you just made that resolve about one week now?

i can imagine if i was doing the interlude, lol.

2 Corinthians 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Of course, deliverance from hell is in the package.

DrummaBoy: BabaGnoni and trustman, I believe the interlude is done. If there are no further input in F9, I request that we proceed to F10.

You didn't answer my non tithe question, are we fighting? Is this your request an example of name it claim it? i'm eager to know about this thing too oh, so that when it finally enters Nigeria, i will know.

uzoexcel: wwe kknow how to use them slick a55 words and manipulate the bible to suit our convulated reasoning
Gaddamnit

Well, there was no bible verse quoted even. Also, start learning to talk like an adult.

mindurbiznes: true, I have long discovered the issue with the Bible and successive pattern. But in this case, for kjv, I tried to use punctuations to try make sense of the whole account:




Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.


Seeing the full stops, that should clear the mist

The colons bro, the colons.

frank317: Nora is frustrated! Nora is frustrated! How does that adress the issue at hand? How could you be this shameless. Insead of of you to cover ur eyes in embarrasment or remain silent you come here redirect the disussion.
Why are so excited to say nora is frustrated and silent at the fact that ur so called men of God are emarassin themelves?

Well, that was what i said that got his attention and made him to start recanting. Nora was showing frustration and somebody had to calm her down. i see no man of God embarrassing themselves. A christian has a right to believe that he or his children cannot contract ebola. He should also be responsible enough not to tempt God or put others in danger. This is all that seems to have been done. Did you read the thread heading at all? Precautions were taken ensuring ebola victims or infested countries don't come, then he supposedly told his pastors to be cautious, did you even see that? Then he told his children not to be afraid, that is as common sense as it gets. It's unfortunate we're not standing on the same level, so i don't expect that we see things the exact same way.

Goshen360: When I said you're always defending most of Adeboye's action, you said I should prove it. It soon happen that you don't need no prove. You have a crafted way of covering the faults of these men like Adeboye. You're always behind these men when they say or make silly talk\decisions. You never think the best of men are still men. You can keep deceiving yourself you don't believe everything the news says. You could as well say you don't believe the on-going Ebola virus. If you believe that, how come you don't see fault in silly decision\statement of Adeboye in connection with the virus. Pray for Adeboye to return back on track because he is fast loosing focus on spiritual matters.

1. Nora is frustrated.
2. i'm not ALWAYS defending most of pastor Adeboye's actions. It don't stop me from talking in his favor once in a while.
3. i don't recall the fault i covered on this thread. Please remind us or are you lying?
4. Do you believe everything the news says?
5. Nora is frustrated.

Dapo777: What do you mean by force me to live with him on my own terms.

If It's my own terms,why would I be forced?
I think you are drunk,go and sleep,when you wake up maybe then you would start thinking normally.

You still didn't answer my question about being unfair to my son.

It's either heaven or hell Mr. God would not force you to Heaven, neither can you live in Heaven on your own terms. These are the facts.

Dapo777: Ohh noooo, are u thinking at all? You said your mum's cruelty paid off when you look back retrospectively, can you look back retrospectively when you are burning in hell for ever? Can you turn a new leaf in hell when you would never be given a chance to come out of it?Burning your entire self is it the Same as burning your cancerous hands,what comparison are you trying to make?

How do you mean by your Mum is cruel or demonic? I hope your Mum isn't on nairaland to are you say this about her. No matter what your Mum does to punish you,she can never fold her arms and watch you burn in hell forever.

It's very funny Hw people try to make sensible something that is completely senseless.

So by burning you in hell forever how does that bring out the best in you?
TELL ME!!!!!

Are you still confused?

Well, for starters, you assumed that my mother would never allow me or mine to be destroyed forever no matter what. i showed you that she would for a greater good. You also wrongly thought that my mum has no demands because she loves me. You were wrong.
My mum wasn't cruel, i thought she was, but looking back i KNOW she was not. Believe me, people would look back retrospectively in eternal regret in hell fire. i didn't say my mum IS cruel and demonic, you need to read carefully. i said i THOUGHT her DEMANDS were cruel and demonic. i also gave you the retrospect view. Do use some retention.

iamjane: in passing

Yes it seems. Perhaps if the phrase stood on it's own verse, it might have helped more.

Dapo777: Do God's will or you burn for life in hell!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahaha
Is that fair of God?

You refused to answer my question?
Is it fair of God to force you to live with Him forever on your own terms?

Dapo777: Your Mum loves you more than God loves you,because no matter how much you may offend your Mum,she would never want to see you burn in fire for life for that matter but God doesn't mind you burning in hell forever because you don't do His will,yet He claims to love you

Your Mum doesn't ask anything in return for her love for you,but God ask a lot of things in return,in form of the conditions Which u kn.

Can u see the difference now? Between ur mum's genuine love and God's love?

Eerrrmmmmmmm, my mum would agree to amputate my cancerous hands forever instead of losing a complete me. My mum, you don't want to know all her demands which i thought cruel and demonic but which actually paid off now that i look back retrospectively. She didn't ask me, she commanded and demanded the very best.

Dapo777: My promises must be unconditional If I love someone unconditionally.
Is it clear to u now?

It is not clear oh. How do you arrive at this assertion? Even though i love my son, i still have conditions for him. He can't drive till he's old enough neither can he sleep with his sister, or refuse to go to school. Do you think that's unfair of me?

[quote author=mindurbiznes][/quote]Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

The 'ands' are not necessarily indicative of a successive pattern. For instance, Seth didn't just start living AFTER Adam died.

iamjane: yea my thoughts exactly, but see this trend below

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

i don't think it was a trend. It was simply stated in passing that they begat sons and daughters.

nora544: What has this to do with fustration, sorry but you are also a brainwashed pentecost follower. It has to to that people should learn that thinking I have fast for 100 days will keep ebola away from me and that is dangerous so all this pastors who will tell this to their followers are bastards and not even wothy to call them christians!

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frus·trate

\ˈfrəs-ˌtrāt\transitive verb

: to cause (someone) to feel angry, discouraged, or upset because of not being able to do something : to prevent (efforts, plans, etc.) from succeeding : to keep (someone) from doing something

Full Definition 1 a : to balk or defeat in an endeavor b : to induce feelings of discouragement in 2 a (1) : to make ineffectual : bring to nothing (2) : impede, obstruct b : to make invalid or of no effect Other forms: frus·trat·ed; frus·trat·ing Origin: Middle English, from Latin frustratus, past participle of frustrare to deceive, frustrate, from frustra in error, in vain. First use: 15th century Synonym discussion: frustrate thwart foil baffle balk mean to check or defeat another's plan or block achievement of a goal. frustrate implies making vain or ineffectual all efforts however vigorous or persistent <frustrated attempts at government reform>. thwart suggests frustration or checking by crossing or opposing <the army thwarted his attempt at a coup>. foil implies checking or defeating so as to discourage further effort <foiled by her parents, he stopped trying to see her>. baffle implies frustration by confusing or puzzling <baffled by the maze of rules and regulations>. balk suggests the interposing of obstacles or hindrances <officials felt that legal restrictions had balked their efforts to control crime>.

frustrate

adjective : characterized by frustration

First use: 15th century

Dapo777: You said God's promises are conditional,by extension it means his love is conditional.

If I promise to get you a Chevrolet car and I put a condition on it,that you would only drive the car whenever I want,can you say I love you unconditionally?
The fact that his promises are conditional, how do you expect his love to be unconditional?

Oh, so when you love someone unconditionally, your actions must be unconditional? Do you love anyone unconditionally?

Dapo777: So u believe It's Ok for God's love to be conditional after he ask us to love Him unconditionally?

Come again? Where and how do you arrive at these?

Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Adam and Eve were fruitful and multiplied. They had sons and daughters.Only three of them were highlighted.

It's a problem of being doctrine-centred instead of being evangelism-centred. Don't get me wrong, doctrine is vital but should not be center. Unfortunately, false doctrines abound as there is a dearth of teachers. We have good preachers no doubt, but the problem is that a good preacher would preach anything well whether it is correct or not. So we get to be denominational, fighting for our doctrines instead of rescuing the perishing.

nora544: This man is dangerous, sorry but he has no brain, how he could now this.
This nurs she died yesterday, who knows that she didnot make also the 100 days fasting!
Sorry Adeboye you are a disgrace and a stupid man, with no brain
He can start to work in Liberia because he fast for 100 days so he can work there because nothing will happen with him

Take it easy, i can almost assure you that pastor Adeboye is not here on nairaland. Find something of value to do to cure your frustrations.

DrummaBoy: Forgive my answering this late. I was hoping to post after trustman whose post you quoted. I have a quote from a website that answers your question directly. I will paste the quote here but I request that you go to the link and read the whole article. The discussion was on Jesus Spiritual Death:

One must distinguish between what is
didactic (meant for instruction, and in
this instance: biblical doctrine and
theory), and what is narrative as in the
example of Matthew's account of Jesus'
death. When Matthew records the words
of Christ, "My God, My God, why hast
thou forsaken Me?" (Mat. 27:46) he does
this as the account to what transpired
before the eyes of witnesses, and not as
a teaching on the atoning work of Christ.
In his book Did Jesus Die Spiritually?,

Hobart E. Freeman writes,
What are we to make of our Lord's
statement "My God, My God, why hast
thou forsaken Me?" First, this cry of
despair was not merely spontaneous, but
Jesus was well aware that He was
reciting a quotation from a prophetic
passage, Psa. 22:1. King David first
uttered these words in the midst of
suffering trials. But these words also
have an application to the Messiah, as do
numerous other Old Testament passages.
[Hobart E. Freeman, Did Jesus Die
Spiritually? (Warsaw, Ind.: Faith
Ministries and Publications, n.d.), p.
39.].

I would advise one read Psalm 22 if
not entirely certain what its content is
for personal clarification.
Psalm 22 is entirely prophetic, having
reference to the crucifixion of Christ.
Jesus truly in agony in Psalm 22
identifies Himself as the One of whom
the prophetic Psalm spoke. Such
prophetic statements are foreordained
expressions to fulfill the Old Testament
prophets predictions.


An interesting but flawed illustration
used by many Bible teachers to describe
the separation between Father and Son
is the picturesque explanation of how the
Father had to turn His head from His
Son when the sins of the world were
dumped on Him. Psalm 22, however,
repudiates this illustration by stating
that exactly the opposite happened; the
Father did not turn away from His Son,
but looked upon Him with care.
" For he hath not despised nor abhorred
the affliction of the afflicted; neither
hath he hid his face from him; but when
he cried unto him, he heard." (Psa.
22:24)

Please take your time to read Psalm 22 and see what the author above is saying. Verse 1, where he exclaimed why has God forsaken him, was the anguish cry of a suffering man. It all looked as if God had forsaken him. And don't we feel so too in our sufferings? But alas, verse 24 gives us the clear picture: "... nor has he turned his face away from him. When he cried he heard him." God was with Jesus, like he is with us, all through his stay on the cross. If he said to us "I would never leave you nor forsake you," he would then have been lying to forsake Jesus even if it was for a moment on the cross.

www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith2.html

lolololol, drumb is being courteous, there's reason for worry be that. Anyway, so you're saying Jesus was not forsaken by God but lied when He clearly said "why have You forsaken Me"? Or was He naming and claiming what was not?

Demainman1: Where are the miracle working GOD of MEN? TB JOSHUA, ADEBOYE, OYEDEPO, OYAKS,

Avenue for the real miracle is here o o. EBOLA has arrived. Please show yourselves sirs. MOGs.

Now, Don't elope to Europe and America with your family members o.

Organise crusades, Invite Ebola victims, show us the miracles.

Visit hospitals, heal them with prayers and fasting PLEASE!

No be to dey forecast Malaysia jet and chibok girls be dis

OR

To dey curse Boko Haram boys

I personally believe that God/Satan wants to use this EBOLA of a thing to expose all these fake pastorpreneurs that parade themselves as men of gods.

99% of us have discarded our thinking caps only to leave our fates to the hand of the fraudsters pastors.

My people make una no worry, it will still take SCIENCE and not "God of men" to conquer this challenge and then you all can go back to continue contributing your hard earned money to those thieves in the name of TITHE and OFFERING.

EBOLA don't care if you pay tithe or not. Dare it at your own RISK.

MY GOD, NA YOUR LEG I DEY, PEOPLE WEY DEY YOUR HAND DON TOO MANY

Actually to be fair, God is the healer not man. Also, i don't think preachers go about looking for people who have headache, malaria, demon possession and HIV. Why are they being required to go look for ebola patients? Churches have not closed service, infact Adeboye is currently doing annual convention where everyone is invited. If anything, it's only precautionary to avoid spreading disease to others.