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Candour: If you are honest and want to display a little candour, say it here and now. What informs your adherence to tithing? Abraham's example or the law of Moses?

flexshop: [b]I honestly didn't want to go into the issue of tithe because I, havin divided the word of truth to show myself approved have known for ages that this issue of tithe is not a commandment of christ.never for one day did christ say I should pay tithe, instead he said I should Love my neighbour as myself.
I only used the oppurtunity of the discourse to air my views.like you rightly said,its not only tithing but also the numerous 'seeds' et cetera these pastors fleece their members of.tithes are paramount because its steady and compulsory in churches run by these charlatans.
My brother, Jesus christ never had billions. He would have commanded his thousands of followers to contribute tithe to his ministry which at the time was even in need of funds to propagate the goodnews.
Even jesus christ told a rich young man who came to him to go, sell all he has, GIVE TO THE POOR and follow me.todays pastors will tell you, Go sell what you have and sow into the ministry.my brother, any pastor who has more than lifes basic needs ie food, clothes and shelter, is simply not of God.
Honestly, I don't believe we have true followers of christ.I just pity these wealthy men who claim to be men of God,the judgement of ananias and his wife will be better than what some would get.

I like your christ, but not your christians, because they are so much unlike your christ- mahatma ghandi[/b]

Candour: How many of your errors that were pointed out have you admitted to? Have you admitted to your error on Oyedepo's little book yet? Pls bro, stop this sanctimonious demeanor. Its not doing you any good.

Image, you and I have had extensive discussions on the 613 laws issue on a previous thread and you stylishly abandoned it. Heres the thread again

www.nairaland.com/1430102/old-vs-new-covenant-revelation/10

I am not interested in wasting time on that again. Believe what you will bro. My interest is on those who have genuine questions and doubts about tithes and I'm happy they are getting the answers they seek.

You and others lie when you say you don't look to Malachi for instructions on tithe. The devotional by Pastor Chris has blown that lie into the open. Pls deal with that and stop trying to deflect attention from it.

This thread is about tithes, not Abraham's marital indiscretions. Let's stick to the topic

nwuyag: You should notice the way I tried replying you, unlike me, so as not to enter into insults.
Anyway, didn't you not see the words "ask AGAIN"?. No, I did not open this thread to understand the meaning of anyword. What I was looking for was a verse that said "God is omniscient " or "god knows everything". You guys began posting rubbish, while you also wanted to talk about the meaning of a word which I am not interested in. I purposely asked again cos it seemed we were not on the same line. But I no longer need an answer, the posts here alone are convincing. You guys are confused.

Candour: Has the discussion suddenly shifted from tithes to Abraham's matrimonial affairs?

Hope Mark won't allow himself be distracted from the main issues. When folks realise they've been found out, they try to deflect attention away from the issue being discussed and I see that pattern being repeated here.

I hope I'm proved wrong anyway.

Mark Miwerds: Uh... news flash, Olaadegbu.

Keturah was Abram's THIRD wife. Hagar was his second... given to him by his sister Sarah.

Lordlexyy: You are obviously fighting a lost battle. After all the evidence ayok provided, like a gentle man i expect you to graciously take a bow or admit your insufficient knowledge on the subject matter. Your rebuttal, if any should largely concentrate on the consequences of alcohol. Pls don't try to provide any link to anything because that will be unnecessary and it will be considered as pride and ignorance. Bless.

nwuyag: @ alcuin
pls follow my posts properly before making wrong conclusions. I really don't like the way this thread is unnecessarily long. This thread was not put up to redefine anything. I don't know if you chose not to read my posts. Anyway, let me ask again; what's your answer to the op? yes or no

Mark Miwerds: in other words, you see God as a liar. I understand.

God said, "prove me, and I will." But you and Oyedepo teach "Prove God, and HE might."

nwuyag: Just be open minded for once and focus on just the op.
I am yet to actually see where God is said to be omniscient in the bible.
The example you gave is not what we are talking about. Words can be used as a figure of speech or be used in other forms but their original attributes remain the same. I actually don't know why you are taking me round and round.
There is nothing more simple than this;
An omniscient one must know man's final destination. You are only playing on your intellect, not mine. You are not talking to a kid, so you cannot just bring up another contradictory definition just to suit the same word and expect me to believe it. Stop that please!

Mark Miwerds: Oyedepo's statement that "tithing does not work all of the time" should open the eyes of those who are being taught to tithe.

The fact that Oyedepo says that tithing does not always work proves that the tithing he is teaching is not the tithe of the Bible. God said in His Word that if the tithe was given, He would bless. He did not say, "I might bless." Nor did He say, "You may or may not receive blessings." No, God promised blessings. God is faithful who promised.

Obviously, the god that Oyedepo is promoting does not make the same promises the God of the Bible does.

highyo: I know God will always stand by his words no matter. And he will judge every nature by his word

I do not want to be condem with just a little mistake. Please i need a true bornagain christain (not a benchwarmer o) true child of God that always live according to the bible not according to their pastor teaching. That will never twist the word of God no matter what, Infact I will even prefare deeper life member more to contribute

lev:19:19 do not wear a cloth made with different kind of materials

also lev19:27 do not trim the edge of your hair or your beard

Lev 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle engender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.

Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Zikkyy: which one be humble pie? Am still waiting for you to provide the secret ingredients stated in oyedepo's little book. You know am not willing to fund oyedepo's next pj so I will not be buying the book. I decided to abandon your case here since you were not willing to share.

ayoku777: The wine that Jesus drank at the passover is the same wine the apostles drink during the communion.

And Paul, when rebuking the greediness of the corinthians during communion in 1Cor 11v21 said 'For in eating everyone taketh before other his own supper, and one is hungry and another is DRUNKEN'.

You can NEVER get drunk on a non-alcoholic wine. So the wine the early church drank and even used for communion was ALCOHOLIC. So scripture is not against taking wine, indiscretion is what scripture rebuked.

So its not a sin to take wine, but let everything be done in moderation

Lordlexyy: On the basis of what was Christ accused of drunkenness? Was it on juice or alcoholic wine? The fact that drukenness was attached to what ever substance He took suggest that He actual took alcoholic wine. Moreover, Paul admonishing timothy to take a little wine, shows that the consumption of it is not sin itself but it abuses. Like timothy, most ppl take it for diff reasons, some for merryment which the bible is never against, others on health ground et al. Which ever way, the effect of it subjectively tells if you have sin or not, thus the scripture that says what a man takes in doesn't condemn him but what comes out of him.

rationalmind: You didn't read my reply. If u did, I said, there is no such thing as God. He is not omnipresent neither is he omnianything.

Joagbaje:

Now I got your point .

debosky: I think image is saying you can tithe as a form of sowing and reaping described in 2 Cor 9. I do not believe there is any prohibition in this regard. I think he has stated that he isn't teaching tithing according to the law so the location requirement doesn't apply.

rationalmind: I've answered this question of urs already. You asked before n I answered. I won't repeat myself.

rationalmind: No he's not. He doesn't exist. He is no where. He isn't omniscient neither is he omnipresent.

Mark Miwerds: there is no tithe requirement of Christians today found in God's Word. God said His Holy tithe was for the children of Israel. He did not say it was for Nigeria.

Why do you insist on teaching that people can tithe in any other location than what God has written?

Mark Miwerds: what part of "I am not required to keep the Law" do you not understand?

The Law is for the unrighteous. I am not of the unrighteous.

Pastor Kun: Since when did a proverb of solomon become a commandment from God And listen to yourself, based of your daft logic you are saying Paul permitted timothy to sin on health grounds you can as well say Jesus permitted his disciples to sin at the last supper and further gave all christians instruction to sin when he said we should take wine and bread in his memory.

DrummaBoy: So it is from Oyedepo that Image123 and his crew are getting their revelations on tithing. No wonder. I have stopped contributing to these debates bc it is so obvious there is something wrong with those who hold on tenaciously to tithing despite having been shown otherwise. I wish them all the best in their pursuit, worship and followership of Oyedepo and his heretical teachings.

Mark Miwerds: I am not required to keep the Law. If I teach Law to the saved, it is only in its Historical background... not as present imperative for them.

The Law is for the unrighteous. (see 1 Timothy 1:8-10 ) If one commits to any one part of the Law, that one must keep all the Law (see Galatians 3:10 ) It that one does not keep all the Law, that one is cursed..

Image123: Do you know all these so called 613 laws? Is there any one of them that ou obey or you disobey all the 613?

Mark Miwerds: Paul was speaking of giving. When one gives sparingly, he will reap sparingly. When one gives bountifully, he will receive bountifully. Context shows that is exactly what Paul was speaking of.

Mark Miwerds: you are bound by the very Law you quoted above, Olaadgbu. But not only the Law of tithing (in which you offend God tremendously) but all 613 of the Levitical Laws.

Your monetary tithe requirement doctrine makes God to be a liar. His Word, under the Law you just quoted, declares His tithe was to be EATEN by, not just the one receiving the tithe, but also by the one who is tithing.

Your doctrine is a lie from the father of lies.

Open your eyes, Olaadegbu... Can't you see your embracing Law is denying what Christ accomplished on the cross? You commit spiritual adultery every time you return to the Law to justify your false doctrine.

Image123: Just did a quick search to help some to a link that says something similar. Note the following quote from the link.
"In many countries any drink with less than 0.5% ABV can legally be
described as non-alcoholic , because your body can metabolise the
alcohol as fast as you consume the drink. Although all orange juice
contains alcohol, the quantity is low enough that you won’t get
intoxicated from it, even if you drink many glasses of it. However in
places with zero-tolerance rules against driving with any measurable
alcohol in your blood, you might need to be careful if you are a very
heavy orange juice drinker."

http://quezi.com/14067

Image123: Learned people know that the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and that there is nothing unclean of itself. Learned people also know that every fruit contains sugar and ethanol. The content/percentage increases with fermentation. This is basic science and rural palm wine knowledge. Your sugar, your coca-cola, your medicine, lt all contains the likes of alcohol, cocaine, hemp and such banned substances.
Google is still free for your learning. You can't compare the fruit of the vine and whatever other fruit juice with alcohol content of about 0.1% or less to the likes of gin and whisky(above 40% alcohol), spirit(above 80%), brandy(35%) or beer(above 2% depending on which and not to mention the fishes and carton devourers that help multiply the percentage).
The bible solemnly discourages intake of alcoholic wine.

Pastor Kun: Why don't you just supply us scriptures that states it was forbidden instead of making daft assumptions