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Candour: Matt 23:1-3
'Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2. Saying, the scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses seat: 3. All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do : but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.'

I wonder why those who quote Matt 23:23 never mention verse 3. There your Lord and master clearly says YOU SHOULD DO ALL the Pharisees and Moses asks you to do if you believe he was referring to you and I in this dispentation in that chapter.

There are 613 things the Moses, the Scribes, the Pharisees want you to observe. The question is how many do you observe? Since you know in your heart that you don't observe all, another question is why your insistence on tithe? In case you don't know, Jesus referenced Mosaic tithe there NOT Abram's tithe hence his description of tithe as a lesser matter of the law so don't twist it pls

Oh so at last we agree that Jesus was talking to His disciples, not just pharisees. Welcome. We are to regard spiritual authority nd consider their end, looking to Jesus who remains the same yesterday, today and forever. That is a paraphrase of that passage. If scribes and pharisees are still sitting in the seat of authority, we should regrd them not subvert authority like is common on nl.

Words on the heart.

Goshen360: Before you #unfollow thread#, I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE your message with that of Candour's.

We have a mandate of the new covenant to chase these legalistic teachers out with the preaching of the liberating word of truth!!!

Enjoy your liberation nd allow us to enjoy ours, is that too hard a thing to ask? We have seen countless threads on why we MUST not tithe wih the continuous insistence that tithe is all that is being preached. Where? i have listened to Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Adeboye and co, i have checked all over the religion section of nl. i've not heard or seen this so called bombardment that they are accused of. erhaps, its all in your imaginations.

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You can't limit the workings of God's Spirit to the way He is working with you. Just has you don't want people to be forced to pay tithes, so also is it not okay for you to force people not to pay. Every one has their own motivation for service, their motivation does not have to be limited to yours. Let the people serve their God.
Cheers

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

The Bible is like a treasure, and the thing about treasures is that they are not often at the surface. You need to search, you need to dig and mine. You may need to refine. So is it with the Word of God. You look for the treasure in it, you look for how it is going to benefit you, because it was sent to benefit you. Perseverance and persistence is the key to success. Notice how the writer to the Romans quotes copiously from the Old Testament and specifically here from Moses to prove what he is saying. It is not rare to see people today look at you as unserious and legalistic when you quote from the Old testament to teach some things. The apostles never saw the Old Testament scriptures as useless or obsolete. Infact, their noble hearers searched the Old Testament to confirm what the apostles were saying. So, we see Paul here also quoting Moses to teach New Testament Roman believers. He saith to Moses. And it still applies till tomorrow. What He says in this instance is "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
Surprisingly, what many people just do here is close the book and let's go home. No hope. Let's hope we are among those that God has mercy on. Why not find out, who are those that God will have mercy on? Is there anything that can be done to obtain God's mercy? Any criteria for who God will have mercy on? If God does not appear to have mercy on you, any hope? All these questions are supposed to be asked instead of giving up on God so cheaply as many often do.
The writer is still hitting home on God's Sovereignty, that at the end of it all, it is God on the top. You may say you found God, but ultimately god found you. You may say you drew nearer to God like James said to, but ultimately it was God that drew you. You may say God dwells in an unapproachable light, but ultimately God is not far from all of us. And so on and forth. All these sayings and ultimates are all found in scripture, But let God be all in all, giving God all the glory, and God being true and everyman a liar. So, god will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Here are some scriptures that show us people that can receive God's mercy.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
God will have mercy on who He will have mercy. This three scriptures show us some of them. Time and space would fail me to mention more for now. Now, is it possible to not have God's mercy before and later have it? Yes. Remember the story of Jonah and the people of Nineveh. Also, consider this new testament passage.
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Mercy there was great, and grace was free,
Pardon there was multiplied to me,
There my burdened soul found liberty,
AT CALVARY

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

It is not of your running but ultimately, it is God that shows mercy. Where would we be without His mercy. It is not by power or by might but by God's Spirit. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall, but they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength. Are these scriptures calling us to inaction or fate? No. You still need to read for that exam, prepare for that interview, plan that project, keep that body fit etc. But God takes the ultimate glory. Why is then, we come to this passage, and we lose all other knowledge of God and His ways? We still need to believe and confess and follow. Don't just sit in sin and darkness and say it is not of him that willeth. Get up anf fight the good fight of faith, do ALL to stand and stand therfore, putting on the WHOLE armour of God.
Jesus said it is God that draws, but the same Jesus promised to draw all men. Are His promises not all yea and Amen?
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Has He been lifted up? Yes
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

He has drawn all men. no one has an excuse of i was not drawn. If you feel you have not been drawn, then draw yourself.
Jam 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
He will draw nigh to you, that is the promise for you.
Now, to pharaoh. The Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. The scripture! Genesis is scripture, so also is Exodus. here is paul quoting from Exodus to establish verse 18's THEREFORE. What is wrong with what God said to pharaoh? Nothing. The same statement can be said of anybody. "Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." God wants us to be used to show His power and glory, and that His name may be declared in all the earth. However, however, there is a law of sowing and reaping on ground. You reap what you sow.
Gala 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
If you sow hardness of heart, don't be surprised if God gives you a hardened heart. Pharaoh could repent if he wanted to, as was seen in this scripture,
Exo 9:27 And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: the LORD is righteous, and I and my people are wicked.
God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Do you also know that Pharaoh hardened his own heart too?
1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?
Exo 9:34 And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants.
God knows our hearts too like He knew Pharaoh's and knew the Israelites. While it is called today, harden not your heart.
Deu 31:21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I swore.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

The chapter focuses on the Sovereignty of God. It teaches the Awesomeness, the Incomparability and the Righteousness of God. It teaches it so strongly, in zoom mode that it leaves every reader without doubt as to the point of the matter. The point being that God is good, no matter what happens and what we think. He is answerable to no one. And that whatever action or event, know where never to pass the buck.
It is good to zoom in and see the details of something. It is also good to broaden the horizon and see in full perspective and from various angles to get the full picture and description. Evidently, what we see in zoom mode is not what we see from broad view. panoramic view has its advantages, and so do a microscopic view. In scriptures, the two views are available and are not to be substituted for one another. We cannot look at Romans 9 and forget or throw away Romans 8, or any other chapter. No verse of the Bible is more true than the other. The whole scripture is Truth.
Because of this Awesomeness, our human minds cannot fully comprehend God or His Word or His ways. Our mind is like a cup before God's ocean. We cannot fill the ocean into the cup. Our cups have various sizes and we grow in the knowledge of God. But at the end of the day, no matter your understanding and the size of you cup, it is just still another cup. This is why some things may look inconsistent or even contradictory about God or His Word, but overtime, some of these things we understand. Some we may not grasp, the secret things belong to God.
Considering this verse for instance, Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. This is in consonance with other scriptures that tell us that God's Word does not go to waste.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Logically, we know that or we may say that God's Word did not take effect on the Israelites. The Bible says it did not profit them, not being mixed with faith. Jesus said they made the Word of God of no effect by their traditions. God sent His Word, but they rejected Him and crucified Him even. But yet, in God's ultimate will and plan, it is not as though the Word of God hath taken no effect. To God, His Word took effect. To Israel, the Word had no effect. Who is correct? The two. Who lost? Not God. Never God. He is Sovereign. He is never unfair, He never loses. He is Great. We can spend our lifetime to know that we are far from close to all He is. It is like comparing the intelligence of a dog to the intelligence of a human being. No matter how intelligent the dog is, it cannot understand trigonometry like a human. Give it the best school and the best teachers. The human will continue to be more intelligent. It's not unfair, its just the way it is.
So He goes on to tell us how the Word of God had effect. They are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

At the end, it actually makes logical sense because Abraham had other seed(children) from Hagar and Keturah and God did not regard them as the seed to which the promise belonged. Being seed of Abraham did not guarantee even the direct children of Abraham from profiting from God's promise, how much more latter generations.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

In teaching the Sovereignty and Infallibility of God, the writer continues with this lines. The children of the flesh are not the children of God. It is the children of the promise that are counted. The others are like what is called OFFSIDE goal in soccer. they did not count. Jesus Himself said that that which is born of the flesh is flesh. They do not count. They need to be born of the Spirit, children of promise. The children of the promise are counted for the seed. Those who hook up to the promise are those counted. God had given a promise to Abraham and Sarah, that at this time of life, you will have a son. It was that promised son that counted. In the same vein, we need to wait on God instead of doing our own will and bringing it to God to sign/approve. Faith is trusting God, believing Him, holding on to and waiting on Him. It is the substance and evidence of what is about to be done.

Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

The writer uses yet another instance to justify the claim about the promise, showing that it was not enough to be Abraham's seed. Everybody is accustomed to and easily agrees that Esau and the other children of Abraham did not get the promise. But the Jews at the apostles'time taught that it was automatic for them. They prided themselves in being Abraham's children. But the writer here is showing them reality even from undeniable history, convincing them that not all the seed of Abraham enjoyed the great plan, purpose and promise of God. Yet the Word of God remains true.

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

It was said, the elder shall serve the younger. It was written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Now, this is omniscience at work. It is similar but better than projecting into the future and making plans based on the projections. Today, we have gadgets that can tell us tomorrow's weather, that can tell us that a sick person has less than 6months to live, that can tell us when a pregnant woman will deliver her baby, and even tell the gender of the baby, and how many babies. Note that all these gadgets are not the cause of the actions being forecast. That a gadget says that a woman will deliver in three weeks is just a projection, perhaps precise. It isn't the one that determined that the woman would deliver in 3weeks. And it does not even force the woman to deliver in three weeks. Things can happen that will make the woman deliver prematurely or deliver a still born. All these changed after the forecast. It is in a similar, howbeit complex way that God looks at us, and tells what we will be in future. He doesn't force it on us but projects as it were. Things happen to us and we make decisions that can make Him change His plans. God planned to take the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan but they perished in the wilderness. He said that He planned to give them honey out of the rock after the water.
Psa 81:16 He should have fed them also with the finest of the wheat: and with honey out of the rock should I have satisfied thee.
Jesus said He wanted to gather the Israelites like the hen gathers the chickens, but He left them desolate. So when God says jacob I love, we ought to want to know why. Why love Jacob? Why would the elder serve the younger? Is it automatic? Looking into the account of Jacob and Esau in Genesis show us why. Esau was a profane person who despised his birthright. He did not have any respect to it neither did he take it serious, unlike Jacob who saw its importance.
Gen 25:32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?
Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he swore unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.

God said that the elder shall serve the younger, or be below the younger. Did this actually happen just like that? No. The younger and his mother conspired to help God and steal the blessings. After they stole it, did the elder serve the younger? No. The younger took to his heels and was away for about twenty years. Even after the 20 years, he was still afraid of the elder. It was until he met the angel and the "i will never let you go" event that God blessed him indeed. He didn't just become blessed Israel simply because the elder shall serve the younger. He got to the end of himself and of his deceitful ways, till he had to lean to walk. Hebrews tells us the great thing that Jacob did by faith. By faith Jacob worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. Even after God had loved and blessed Jacob, here is what Esau said.
Gen 33:9 And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself.
It wasn't like Esau was cursed or something. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. But God who knows all men, made His choice like we all have our reasons for making our choices. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision, but a well calculated decision when we look at it all closely and wholly. He did not put Esau at a disadvantage, neither does He put anyone at a disadvantage. We and our family, parents, and nation, put ourselves at a disadvantage, not God.

Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Was God unrighteous in His choice? No. Even God forbid. Would not the Judge of the earth do right? It is like having a gift ready for the best performer in a class. the teacher might know the best performer before the performance. We often make predictions and prior analysis on games for instance, and sports. We can tell how a year long season may play out, who and who will shine, who will be the key players, who will finish in the top three or top ten, who is likely to drop. And then at the end of the season, we look at the predictions made and how they played out exactly in some cases. Is it the prediction that caused the events to unfold that way? Not totally, or not at all in most cases. how much more God who is the Only Wise God?

thehomer: You showed what you thought was God's purpose but from the Bible, it looks like he had some other purpose. The difference you're talking about is pointless when it comes to killing babies.

What i thought? i gave you Bible passages that say so, they are not my thoughts. God formed man to praise Him, to glorify Him, to live in holiness and righteousness. What makes the difference pointless? Who decides what is pointless about the difference between man and God, and what is the base for that difference? God owns and created all human life. Man created no life.

thehomer: Whether or not I know someone who believes in Brahma is irrelevant. I'm not missing the imaginary characters like Jesus and the Holy Spirit and I'm content with my character. You on the other hand are missing millions of things literally. You're missing Acharya, brahmavidya, sandhyavandana, brahmayajna, aupasana, puja, vaisvadeva among others. Why don't you reconsider trying to drawing close to Brahma?

So you do not know Brahma after all, hmmm. Here is your ration and logic paraphrased.
i work for an institution where i have all that i need, a home, a progressing career, automobile, education for my self and family, a happy family, sponsored holidays and the etc that man craves for.
You come to me and say why don't i work for ABCD instead. i ask who is ABCD, tell me about ABCD and what ABCD has to offer that will make me leave my institution. Do you know anyone at ABCD or do you work for ABCD.
Then you say that it is irrelevant that you know ABCD or know someone who knows ABCD. But i need to come work with ABCD.

That is not just up there, thanks. You are not content with your character like you stated. You feel that emptiness and hopelessness. You need to continually convince yourself that there is no God. You've continued to persuade your brain but something inside you still constantly gets you back on trying to prove without doubt that there is no God. You're missing Jesus, true love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, meekness, temperance, the Holy Spirit, freedom from so many sins, knowledge of God among others. You're missing Jesus, true love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, meekness, temperance, the Holy Spirit, freedom from so many sins, knowledge of God among others. Most of these things are what humans want and need, but you cannot have them. Only God can give them. You need a paradigm shift.

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Yeah you're right it's God so i wonder why i can't adopt that same format if i am to tithe.

i'm surprised at such conclusion when i just said "If that's what you want to do, and you're not using it to justify yourself, it will be a good work."
i never said that you cannot adopt it. Who is hindering you from adopting it? Certainly not me.

If you are led by the Spirit to adopt the format you currently employ, would i be offending God if i have my own format different from yours when clearly the formats we both adopt is at variance with the format Abram used or the format God gave Moses for the Isrealites?

What is my format?

@ the bolded is the exact reason why i'm interested in this discussion. As we look at Heb 7, we should look at Deut 14. As we look at Mal 3, so we look at Matt 23, Numbers 18, Nehemiah 10, Gen 14 etc

And the bolded is what i previously said that i am not interested in. " i'm not interested in any detailed tithe talk at the moment." . i currently have a lot to do than to get into detailed talks and expositions or exegesis about tithe. i've talked on those passages in the past here on NL BTW. It's on other tithe threads, and Gosh, Kunle and co are witnesses. When i say "It would not be wrong also to look at all the parts and scriptures on tithing as a whole, instead of holding on to just one side." i'm not talking about myself wanting to have a detailed discussion, but about each individual studying the scriptures wholly instead of holding just one part.
Sorry, i beg to decline. i can only make one or two general comments at the moment.

It's not about justifying myself my bro but about allowing the reality of the liberty i have in Christ to shine forth

cheers

It will be a very good thing to use it to allow the reality of liberty to shine forth. Folks use their good deeds to try to justify themselves before God like it was in the Old Testament, but our good deeds should be to glorify God. That whatsoever we do, we may do to the glory of God.




@Zikky, is the tithe a tenth or no?

Goshen360: You NEVER answered any of my question. The first was if you continue to receive wages after being terminated from a job. I was using the first question to paraphrase the second which was, does the levitical priesthood continue to receive tithe after being terminated and abolished?

This is a question and answer session. So I stick to that. Do you now want to answer question #1 and #2 or you want to answer questions on tithe BEFORE the temple or levitical priesthood?

Thank God you're not of the other religion and i'm not in chains. This sounds like a terrosist obtaining answers from a captive.

i answered your first question "It depends on the agreement"

i answered your second question " Why tie tithes to the temple like they started together?"

Candour: Who prompted Moses to give the tithe law the exact way he detailed it? God or his own human intellect? Would I be wrong to adopt that same format of presentation but much more importantly would it be wrong to adopt the same format of administration? I mean the same format in Deut 14:22-29?

I'm really interested in arriving at a conclusion so I'll await your reply

First question, God.
All scripture is given by God' s inspiration and profitable for doctrine, teaching and exhortation. It would not be wrong also to look at all the parts and scriptures on tithing as a whole, instead of holding on to just one side. If that's what you want to do, and you're not usin g it to justify yourself, it will be a good work.

Candour: Since we do with it as the Spirit leads, why create a dichotomy between tithes and other offerings? Why not ask people to bring as the Spirit leads since we've decided to be led by the Spirit in its disbursement contrary to how God told Moses to administer it in the law and also contrary to how Abram gave it to Melchizedek and Melchizedek alone?

Because the Spirit is not haphazard, He joys to behold order. Tithe is a type of offering, just that it is a tenth. Why should we assume that the Spirit does not lead people to bring the tithe?

Goshen360: Second attempt to dodge questions...

Okay, third question. Do you like to answer questions of tithe BEFORE the temple and BEFORE the Levitical Priesthood?

Question not clear. i answered your first two questions BTW.

thehomer: I'm not missing anything by not believing in your God either. When you understand why you refuse to draw close to Brahma, then you'll understand why I don't draw close to your God.

You're missing a million things literally. You're missing Jesus, true love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, meekness, temperance, the Holy Spirit, freedom from so many sins, knowledge of God among others.
i already understand why i refuse to draw close to Brama, i'm fully satisfied in God, neither have i nor you known anyone who believes in this Brahma.

thehomer: How do you know that isn't God's purpose? He's been killing children himself and with others.
You're yet to explain how God commanding that killing is the right thing to do since if it were the right thing to do, then it should be right for people to generally keep doing it.

Already showed you God's purpose, are you a robot? You may want to revise the thread and observe where i told you God's purpose for man with scripture passages and also how i explained to you the difference between man and God.

Candour: Your dictionary definitions are in order when you consider the church referenced there in the 12th century is the Catholic church and it was fully operational as at 380AD. A Google check of Catholic encyclopedia will reveal tithes didn't show face until 585AD or so and it was only farm products. In fact the first mention of it in the English language was in 786AD at a synod and it was to support the poor and clergy.

We go back to the bible for what it calls tithe and how its to be utilised and Debut 14:22-29, Num 18:21-32, Neh 10:37-39 describes it clearly so how does it transmute into the one we have today?

Typing on my phone so might not be so coherent. I'll get back to a computer in 1hr hopefully

i'll skip this, i'm not interested in any detailed tithe talk at the moment. That dictionary BTW states BEFORE 12th century i.e the word was in use before the 12th century. It is not with the intent of attaching a particular group to it.

Candour: If as you agreed, you and I are the church, why can't you and I pool our tithes together and distribute as the spirit leads? Must we have a particular set of people to administer it? Christ said where 2 or 3 are gathered, he's there so why can't me, you and Bidam administer it as a true church of God?

If we are the church, that would be the very thing to do. If we are more, the proper thing will be for the leadership to agree on what to do with it as te Spirit leads. That leadership may be the three of us coincidentally BTW.

thehomer: So would it be better for us to kill children who are suffering or will suffer since they'll be taken to heaven? Or is it only good when God kills children and they go to heaven? You're yet to explain how God commanding men to kill children is the right thing to do.

Answered this already when you asked me. God's purpose is not for us to go about killing children. Many children suffer and become somebody later, like our country's president.You are yet to explain how God commanding the killing of the amalakites is not the right thing to do.

thehomer: How do you know you're not missing anything? Have you tried Brahma? I don't have to know anyone who knows Brahma, the information is available to any who wishes to draw close to Brahma.

Are you missing anything by not believing Brahma? i knw i'm not because God satisfies me, i thought i already said that.

Goshen360: Okay, @ Image123, Alwaystrue & Bidam,

I was going to follow up with that first question, if you had answered it with this one:

The Levitical Priesthood was employed by God to do works in the temple, the temple destroyed and the Levitical abolished\terminated, do they still receive tithe or do they still continue to receive tithe after being abolished?

you're pushing your questions despite ehn? Why tie tithe to the temple when tithes were being received centuries before the temple was ever built? Has the service of God being abolished?

Candour: Let's get the trail back. You said tithes belongs to the church and I asked who the church is.we both agreed its the congregation or group of believers and I then asked why I can't give the tithe a a group of needy family I fellowship with and you responded with your post below.



Then I asked that since the tithes is not alms, then what is it?

We give alms to the poor and needy. We give tithe(a tenth) to the church as a unit.Every church has leadership/elders held responsible and accountable by God.

Note the capital letters i used to specifically show THE POOR and THE CHURCH.

Candour: OK I accept your point.

You said it wasn't alms, then what is it?

My bro, you'll need to travel far small to get the trail of our discussion o

merriam webster's

alms \ˈä(l)mz\

noun 1 archaic : charity 2 : something (as money or food) given freely to relieve THE POOR Other forms: plural alms

alms·giv·er \-ˌgi-vər\ noun

alms·giv·ing \-ˌgi-viŋ\ noun

Origin: Middle English almesse, almes, from Old English ælmesse, ælmes, from Late Latin eleemosyna alms, from Greek eleēmosynē pity, alms, from eleēmōn merciful, from eleos pity. First use: before 12th century



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tithe \ˈtīth\

transitive verb 1 : to pay or give a tenth part of especially for the support of THE CHURCH 2 : to levy a tithe on intransitive verb : to give a tenth of one's income as a tithe Other forms: tithed; tith·ing Origin: Middle English, from Old English teogothian, from teogotha tenth. First use: before 12th century


tithe

noun 1 : a tenth part of something paid as a voluntary contribution or as a tax especially for the support of a religious establishment 2 : the obligation represented by individual tithes 3 : tenth; broadly : a small part 4 : a small tax or levy

Origin: Middle English, from Old English teogotha tenth; akin to Middle Low German tegede tenth, Old English tīen ten — more at ten. First use: before 12th century

Bidam: Voluntary staffs

Na so we see am oh. We are generatorous.

Pastor Kun: It wasn't lost, it was just a very daft and senseless analogy

You made the 'analogy', eeeyaa.

Candour: I only wanted to be sure its Abran's tithe before the law and not Mosaic law tithe

I ask, since it's not alms, what is it?

hmmm my two brothers and friends, don't fight na abi you want me to start crying?

The name is just tithe, it doesn't need any qualifiers. A tithe is a tenth.

Pastor Kun: Dunce, how do you look in your mirror and see pastorkun Are you that daft? Or you are just obsessed with pastorkun?

Omase tically, the point was lost on you. Please pray and fast for understanding.

Goshen360: @ Image123 and Alwaystrue,

Question: If any of you is employed and then later, your employer terminate your employment, do you still continue to receive wages or salary from the same organization that terminated your employment?

It is drummaby that is under question and answer, not moi. What is the oin of this queston now, cn you be straightforward?

lemme give you the kind of answer that looks like your question.
IT DEPENDS ON THE AGREEMENT.

All other questions to mr D.

My sister dey very fiery, me likey to be like you wen i grow up.

Candour: I believe we are still talking about Abram's tithe here?

So since its not alms, what is it?

Tithe i suppose.

OLAADEGBU: Look at the mirror, who do you see?

i saw Pastor kun the hypocrite oh, i was not even surprised.

thehomer: Then nothing stops you from reading about Brahama and drawing close to him.

Told you earlier, i have everything i need in God. Again, do you know Brahma or is it Brahama, or do you personally know someone who knows Brahma?

What is the new goodybag pakage for making calls and sending text. i was told that the G750 to 131 option is no longer available, thanks.