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plappville: Na Waohh OGA SATAN DEY MAKE AM NO BE SMALL....SE AS HIM DEY deceive MULTITUDE WITH HIM HELL REVELATION STARS....

plap, you can't just be appearing and disappearing like this. You have to stay oh, we need to br reminded about Shabbath and your grammar. satan no bi oga oh BTW.

frosbel: I don't take lessons from one who practices and preaches on the tithe fraud.

Besides, it is people like you who are laying burdens of tradition such as the fraudulent tithe and dress, on the sheep ,who are preventing the children of GOD from enjoying their freedom.

you are unteachable. Its obvious considering that you learnt nothing from deeper life and apostolic faith who are better teachers than me.

frosbel: "And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?" - Exodus 15:24

You keep exposing your shallowness in the understanding of scripture.

They murmured for water.

Besides, exposing the unfruitful deeds of darkness is not murmuring , it is fighting the good fight of faith.

a true sheep will never murmur, neither will a good soldier. We have known fora while now that you are none of this. Leave the deeper life sheep to their shepherds.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Fortunate for bible students, the cry of dissenting multitude is known as murmuring, a grievous sin. It is not God's voice but the likes of frosb's frustrated rantings.
Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

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Is it right to praise ifa and amadioha in church?

Egypt egypt Bible things.

frosbel: Until you repent of your tithe FRAUD, I will not answer you.

pathetically funny. I hope others can read this.

Haba is he not current? i thought some millions had already been donated to this cause, why not simply balance it? And why tell us about it before it will be done on friday? Hope it is his personal money sha? He should also remember what 16million naira can do as regards health care in his state, and for unpaid workers in his jurisdiction.

nice one seunly

@phapi
While your OP was more of funny and amusing to me, i'd like for you still to have a proper or better perspective.
Firstly, you should not be writing to question the rationale of an activity in your church and with grief of heart (that one serious) on a social media or forum. You could better still ask the right people, like your church leaders. Also, it should never baffle you to the marrow how such issue has generated heated discussion "across the length and breadth"(whatever that means). It is when people spread their 'underwear' in Gath and other public places like you are doing, that is when mountains are made out of molehill and heated discussion made from ordinary decisions.
Now anyone should be able to get a suspension. Suspension is not the end of the world. It happens in football all the time, even to the best. It does not stop you from truly reaching your ultimate goal if you truly know what you are doing, and are willing to profit from your punishment. The best staff can be queried.
Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
What you do with your query is what matters. Ignorant and impatient christians throw tantrums over discipline. Some are ready to pull down an assembly, or leave a denomination, or even backslide because of punishment. That is dull, that is not well thought, its childish, its selfish, its what satan wants. Working in church is not your ultimate goal, though its very good. And that you are suspended does not mean its for eternity. What if one is suspended by death, or by sickness, or by schooling, or by nysc, or type of secular work or anything, you won't be a Christian again? Are you suspended from fellowship with God and the brethren, which is more important than whatever they might be doing in church like preaching, singing or usher. Are you suspended from giving? Are you suspended from prayers and interceding for others? Are you suspended from evangelising for God or publicising what God is doing? There is a lot to be done in God's house than having a broken heart or a backsliding because your church elders told someone not to officiate for sometime. Please think on that, there is no leave or even retirement in church work, they should take good advantage of this before they are called back, and keep on abounding in God's work.

shdemidemi: Image123 surprises me with some religious statements. You would naturally expect him to see things in the light of th gospel considering the fact that he is doing a summary of the book of romans.

Image123 is not a natural man, don't naturally expect him lol.
Any statement of mine that confuses or surprises you, call my attention to it and to what you think is supposed to be. Asking frosb if he has eternal life is pertinent as he is talking of brotherly love and people leaving what they have. We need to know what he has and to where we should go.

flourishG: I thought u re doing da book Romans.who is a sinner?a christian?

Sorry i do not understand your post, kindly rephrase.

frosbel: "But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people." - 1 Corinthians 5:11

"and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them;" - Ephesians 5:11

frosb, forget all the scripture quoting jingoism for now, even devils can quote seemingly appropriate verses. Let's be practical, do you have eternal life? yes or no or you don't know.

frosbel: Are you a member of the universal church of Christ ?

Is everyone in deeperlife saved ? Do you realise that if some deeperlife members are not saved , the believers who are members are actually fellow-shipping with unbelievers, something which the bible discourages.

So which church do you belong to brother, church of GOD led by Christ or church of MEN led by MEN ?

Brotherly LOVE,

Frosbel.

so where you fellowship, there are no sinners there? i guess you have no idea what fellowship means. Someone who doesn't know if he has eternal life is talking of brotherly love. Indeed,

1. Don't marry to revenge.
2. Don't marry out of pity.
3. Don't marry because of unwanted pregnancy.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Previous verses have tried showing us that all are guilty before God. All implies both jews and greeks/gentiles. All implies the whole world. There is none good, not one, they are all gone out of the way. What he is doing is trying to cut all open, as in an operation/surgery, before he then begins to restore health and wellness. the patient should not remain cut open, else he will die. that is not the aim of the surgery, just a process in it. Its not for anyone to hold on to such verses and say there is no hope, all have sinned, there is none good. It needed to be proved because some(Jews) held on to their works and self righteousness for salvation, while some(gentiles) held on to their ignorance for exoneration from judgement. It has earlier been established in chapter 2 that as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law will not be spared of judgement. Now, whatever the law is saying, is to make the whole world guilty before God. Those who were under the law thought they were safe there, but Paul is saying we know that they are not safe, they are guilty before God, ALL the world is guilty, not just those under the law.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No flesh, nobody is justified by the deeds of the law. Remember that he had earlier said Rom 2:13 but the doers of the law shall be justified. Sounds funny right? The scenerio is one of a man telling God that he can fly. Then God says i will justify you anytime you fly. Of course, God knows you cannot fly, its not in you. But He puts out that condition as you said that you can fly. man has said from Adam "I am okay", "I didn't do wrong, it was the woman that you gave me, it was the serpent, not me" Pro 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find? But Jesus said "None of you keepeth the law". Many of them were still telling John the beloved that they had no sin. John said they were lying and deceiving themselves. So God gave man something(the law), to teach him that he has sinned. In the hope/aim that man will realise his inability and failure, and come back to Him penitently and trusting Him. But no, not man, most men. Never say never is it. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight, because actually, no man can/has fulfill(ed) the deeds of the law.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

But NOW, at this time, a new covenant, a new agreement. There is a new covenant, some folks are still in the old agreement. They are trying to keep the law SO THAT they can be justified and accepted by God. Wake up, there is a new arrangement and agreement NOW. An agreement where the righteousness of God is manifested without the law! Where one is justified without the law. What a gift, almost unbelievable. The righteousness of God is manifested without the law. the righteousness of God without the law is manifested. You do not have to obey the whole law(which was the impossible clause given) to be justified. Justification has come through another means/road/way/arrangement/agreement/covenant.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

This new way is by faith. The righteousness of God, without the law, not using the law, but by faith. that is, one can get the righteousness of God by faith. By the faith of Jesus, that is faith in Jesus Christ. Not just being positive, or believing in one's self. God's righteousness is by faith/believing in Jesus Christ. We are justified before God by believing in Jesus Christ. This righteousness of God is unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. There is no special righteousness for any tribe or group, the righteousness of God is upon ALL and UNTO all that believe. This is so clear and straight forward it should be a miracle of some sort to miss it. It says there is no difference(Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him ) God has joined them together as regards righteousness and justification, let not man, and let no man put them asunder.

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

There is no difference, ALL have sinned. There is no difference for/because all have sinned. That is what has been proved/shown from chapter 1 to 3. ALL have sinned. Its so important in the steps to salvation and forgiveness of sins to realise, acknowledge, and accept that you have sinned. It is a lesson/class/test that you cannot skip. Its like the entrance exam. the sinner needs to understand and accept that he has sinned, and come short of God's glory. Many sinners today are more concerned about whether others have sinned, not themselves. they are more interested in proving that so so person is a sinner, they are hypocrites, they are corrupt, pastors are thieves, God is wicked. these are the things the sinner is spending his life in and filling up his senses with. The one thing, the real lesson to be learnt, the answer to the question, the realization "I am guilty, Lord have mercy on me" is sadly missing. They are rather interested in proving how they are better than folks around, and than even God.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

We are justified FREELY. It is a gift. We are justified without having to fulfill the law. that's like bigger than the jackpot of all jackpot. FREELY! In the old covenant/agreement, you had to fulfill the law to be justified. In the new testament, the horse is put before the cart as it were. You are justified without having fulfilled the law. You have/possess the righteousness of God without the law. This justification is not premised/based/founded on the works of the law, but on grace and on faith. Grace is simply God's help(not to confuse ourselves needlessly on theology). We are justified freely by His grace. We are justified freely by God's help. We are justified freely by faith. 300years of personal effort could not have done it. Man had the law for more than 1000years and could not achieve it. Justification takes God's help, grace. With God, all things are indeed possible. This grace came THROUGH the redemption that is in Jesus. REDEMPTION, pretty big word in theology BTW. Paul just threw it in here like we all understand it. Well, redemption is what happened on the cross of calvary. God's purpose of giving us the epistles and books is to explain to us the significance of what transpired in the gospels. You think you would, but it would be very hard to understand what transpired in the gospels without reading the epistles. It would just be another cute touching story, of an innocent miracle man that was wrongfully killed, and who miraculously rose again. All the stuff penned in the epistles, which was likely common knowledge to first century christians, seeing the way Paul mentions it almost passively and for granted, All the stuff, understanding and significance may have been lost over time to future generations. Imagine just having the story of how Jesus lived. But the epistles and writings of the apostles have been used by the Holy Ghost to bring us to clearer relevance of the significance and impact.
Redemption is buying back. To pay off a debt, to make up for, to atone. Man, Adam to be precise had sold off, given up/off, relinquished the ownership, the dominion God gave him on earth. He gave it to the ruler and prince of this world, satan. So, Jesus had to BUY it back legally from the devil. Most importantly, and of more present importance, Jesus had to suffer for sins. He suffering for sin on man's behalf, gave us the option to key into His payment. Therefore, our justification, the righteousness of God we receive is premised on God's grace through the payment Christ made.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Trust me, i do not also like big grammar. But really, what Jesus did for us was big big thing. god has set forth Jesus as our sacrifice, our scape-goat as it were, our atonement. He takes our place THROUGH FAITH IN HIS sacrifice/blood. Meaning that the only way Jesus can take your place is through faith, if you have faith or believe that He did. Jesus has taken the place, and borne the sins and punishment, atoned for the whole world, however each individual can only access this atonement by faith. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. you need faith to be justified. No wonder, the just shall live by faith. All you need to do is believe. God's part is the big big deal. that is His help/grace, sending His Son, making Him a propitiation, going through crucifixion, redemption, justification and all other ions. Then, He comes and says, your part is Only believe. Billions are so lazy they would not even play that part. Its so simple, its unbelieveable. Its so free its passing understanding. Its infinite grace. God has set forth Jesus as propitiation, placating, and pacifying for our sins. but this only gets to happen THROUGH faith in His blood. To declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare God's righteousness for the sins that are past.

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

To declare AT THIS TIME God's righteousness. God says there is time for everything. break time is not work time or lecture time. Lecture time is not holiday or sleep time. We ought to know the time we are in. AT THIS TIME, God's righteousness is to be declared, everywhere. There was a time when God's righteousness was a dream, at this time it is reality. It is wrong to declare God's righteousness as a dream AT THIS TIME. There was a time when all you could hear of God was in Jerusalem. Jesus spoke of THIS TIME when one would not need to go to Jerusalem. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness. He is the Justifier of him that believes in Jesus, whosoever, whether Jew or Gentile.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

There is no boasting as all we have to do is have faith, and anybody can have faith. Nobody boasts of breathing for instance. You don't have to be rich, or be a man, or a Jew, or educated, or know somebody in the government. Boasting is excluded, justification is God's gift that we receive by faith. Paul introduces something here, he tells us that the law the law the law is not just and always about Moses. There is a law of faith for instance as this verse shows. there is a law of sin and death.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The conclusion and the summary of all that has been said is that man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. to be justified is to be just, made just. Righteoused, if there is a word like that.

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

The apostle has made a conscious and several investment of telling us that Jews and Gentiles are together. It is one God and one people. It is what God has joined together AT THIS TIME. It is what God has cleansed, not to be called unclean. There is no "we are better than them" or "our righteousness is better, or gospel is better". No. The OT God is not different from the NT God. Seeing it is ONE GOD, it is the same God justifying both the circumcision and the uncircumcision BY FAITH.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

(GNB) Does this mean that by this faith we do away with the Law? No, not at all; instead, we uphold the Law.
(CEV) Do we destroy the Law by our faith? Not at all! We make it even more powerful.
(ISV) Do we, then, abolish the law by this faith? Of course not! Instead, we uphold the law.
(LITV) Then is the Law annulled through faith? Let it not be! But we establish Law.
(YLT) Law then do we make useless through the faith? let it not be! yea, we do establish law.
(Message) But by shifting our focus from what we do to what God does, don't we cancel out all our careful keeping of the rules and ways God commanded? Not at all. What happens, in fact, is that by putting that entire way of life in its proper place, we confirm it.
(Living Bible)Well then, if we are saved by faith, does this mean that we no longer need obey God's laws? Just the opposite! In fact, only when we trust Jesus can we truly obey him.

In a normal world, this should be enough for one to say "nuff said". The reality and plain truth in this verse is not believed by many folks. The new covenant and faith does not make God's laws useless or void. We are still to obey God. What is made useless is the old agreement/arrangement which was impossible by the way. Again, the old agreement/covenant/testament was to be justified by works of the law. Do all these laws and become righteous. Do all these and I will bless you. In the New Covenant, we have something better, something that ESTABLISHES the law. the law of God is more powerful, more authenticated, more important. Hebrews says it is even written not just in books and stones, but on the heart.

frosbel: ^^^^

No letter of apology needed , they did not break the commandments of GOD.

shut up already, frosb. Get a real job or something. What is your obsession with this issue. You talk like a foolish woman
Pro 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

You said the wedding was allowed and it is hypocrisy. Now, they are punished, you say its cultism. They obviously are not living to please you. And one does not need to offend God or break His commandments before he or she apologises, hypocrite. If one offends another, the right thing is to apologise. They have done no sin.

Faith is the victory that overcomes the world

frosbel: 1. what is eternal life

"Fight the good fight for the true faith. Hold tightly to the eternal life to which God has called you, which you have confessed so well before many witnesses." - 1 Timothy 6:12


2. Do you have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever

This still manages not to answer the question posed. Do you have eternal life?

frosbel: what do you know about the bible other than the brainwashing you have received from your 'church'.

You that know bible, do you have eternal life?

Pastor Kun: Yes it must as we all know that like you joagbaje cannot be trusted.

Its so because that's your nature and shows you up for who you are. Real children of God have no custom of being contentious.

my brother don turn out of body encyclopedia oh.

OP
what you need is a walk with God who has the key of death in His hand. The sting of death is sin, are your sins forgiven?

shdemidemi: But the bible says it, I guess you prefer to be in darkness about the issue

We're talking about understanding Paul and what scriptures teach on moral behavior, you are trying to get us to discuss rapture and tribulation instead. It does not add up, you're on your own.

Mr Troll: hehehehe!
I bet all jesus' parables were true huh?

Una just de funny

What is truth?
Again, The story does not relate with
the conclusion. i also think the story is a
lie.

shdemidemi: The only way you can understand the difference is if you can explain the difference in the pre-tribulation rapture as described by Paul in Thessaolonians and the post-tribulation coming described by Zechariah's prophesy.

you're on your own on this one oh.

Pastor Kun: @Joagbaje
Why must the drone pilot be a christian and what is your definition of christian?

always the contentious one, with little or nothing to offer. Must it be that way?

Mr Troll: did you read the OP at all?
who says anything about the truthfulness of the story? Comprehension mate, comprehension...

oh you don't care about the truthfulness of the story? i see. The end justifies the means for you, it doesn't for me and my house.

^
all you've written above do not in anyway justify my two major queries to you.
1. The apostles had no problem with Paul and his teachings.
2. There is no scripture that says that anybody did not comprehend Paul.
i already said and know that most of the apostles were unwilling to do Paul's work, not that they were ignorant of it. Jesus sent them first, its when they were hesitant that He gave Paul who was willing and did not even seek any flesh and blood approval.

The story does not relate with the conclusion. i also think the story is a lie.

several crashes ke? Jo ma man, life is beautiful oh, we want make you live long.