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frosbel: Is the Spirit of GOD limited in presence, if not , tell me how Jesus communicates with his US.

Matthew 18:20

come oh, no bi you say Jesus is everywhere? Is Jesus everywhere, yes or no?

shdemidemi: Bro, where you are slightly missing it here is that Paul is not the only one talking here, It was a question and answer sort of message. The man that said 'I speak as a man' for example is not Paul. Check it again.

We can conclude now that -
Chapter 1-Gentiles not good
Chapter 2- Jews not good
Chapter 3-none is good, not one
Chapter 4 please- the Jews try to use God's promise to Abraham as a defence.

Good job bro---it gets tough from 4 though.

On your point about Paul not being the only one talking, its an unfounded claim. I'm aiming at making the thread as straight to the point as possible, without introduction of schemes, wild theories, and conjectures. Its not an issue as well, as the message in the passage is not lost whoever may be speaking, whether it is seven people or one. I'll be on the look out for subsequent passages that confirm your thought line though, thanks.

frosbel: No thanks, Jesus is everywhere through the Spirit of GOD and meets my needs from my closet , he is the deliverer and the healer of my Soul, I do not need your 'specially' anointed MEN of GOD.

Jesus is everywhere? frosb, is that you? Saying Jesus is omnipresent?

shdemidemi: I am not being doubtful, I am sure of what I am saying. Besides, when the Apostle was telling Timothy what to do and how to run the church after him, he did not ask him to move any mountain. All he told him was to teach what he had taught him, so all these mountain movers are only using the wisdom of this world to propagate the gospel.

Don't let any man tell you otherwise, a mountain will always be in front of you till you die. The day any man stop having mountains/problems is the day he dies, Carry your cross while you keep walking with God. The scripture says

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Go and see things for yourself, a man with experience is not at the mercy of the man with an argument.

na God oh. To God be the glory.

DrummaBoy: I hope you have sent the message to your pastor's son's wife whose recent dressing in their wedding last weekend is generating the hottest debate on NL.

And by the way, I do not think I have seen or heard anything from you on those threads. Are you dodging them or has that incident shown to you the hopelessness in the gospel you preach? My friend remove the log in your eye and stop worrying about the speck in other people's eyes. And I mean what I say: outward adornment is speck compared to more congent issues in the body of Christ

Its better for him to talk one on one with people that can actually read and reply him, than engage in unproductive gossips and assumptions.

shdemidemi: ^^^what yeye mountain is moving, the mountain moved at the cross of Calvary. Stop deceiving people, no mountain will move at your programme through Christ. Ask people to come and learn scriptures or to come know more of the word of God,stop advertising yeye gospel.

Don't be a doubtful Thomidemi. You can ignore the post, or go and see things for yourself. Proof is not that expensive.

Deliberate illiteracy.

The story is not complete and perhaps not reflected in its original context. Quite difficult to answer. There are many books and articles that tell job seekers questions to expect in a job interview and how to tackle them. That the tutoring is not through a book but through a man does not make it cheating. A teacher most likely is free to answer students questions before the exam also.

shdemidemi: Bro, where you are slightly missing it here is that Paul is not the only one talking here, It was a question and answer sort of message. The man that said 'I speak as a man' for example is not Paul. Check it again.

We can conclude now that -
Chapter 1-Gentiles not good
Chapter 2- Jews not good
Chapter 3-none is good, not one
Chapter 4 please- the Jews try to use God's promise to Abraham as a defence.

Good job bro---it gets tough from 4 though.

not yet finished with 3? Thanks for staying tuned

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

The first two chapters, particularly the second chapter has downplayed the Jews and their practices. This is important really in realising that they have a fault. Sometimes, it is possible to be wrong and not know until someone else comes along to show you. Man was wrong from Adam, but like Adam refused to accept that he was wrong, so also would any man initially refuse. The jews had built themselves over the years and centuries on a system of righteousness, not God's righteousness but righteousness nonetheless. Even Jewish christians still found it so hard to see others as their equal. The jews had the best God and the best laws as it were, they were the envy of other nations, a peculiar people even till date. If a non-jew wanted to worship the jew's God(Jehovah, who is the only true God), he had to be circumcised, and then follow the jews. Such person became a proselyte.
Deu 4:8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
Even as a proselyte, there was the outer part of the temple, the court of the gentiles where the circumcised gentiles could stay, they could proceed no further. This was where the porch was located, where the early christians met as christian gentiles could not come into the main temple.
Act 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
1Ki 6:3 And the porch before the temple of the house, twenty cubits was the length thereof, according to the breadth of the house; and ten cubits was the breadth thereof before the house.
2Ch 3:4 And the porch that was in the front of the house, the length of it was according to the breadth of the house, twenty cubits, and the height was a hundred and twenty: and he overlaid it within with pure gold.
Mat 26:71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
Mar 14:68 But he denied, saying, I know not, neither understand I what thou sayest. And he went out into the porch; and the cock crew.
It was an ingrained culture and history, hence the gentiles found it easier to accept that they were sinners than the jews. The apostles had to bring them to reality with passages like chapter 1 and 2 before then giving the cure/way to salvation.
cf 1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Jam 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Like they say, someone who knows that he has problem has 50% solved already. This is the state that Paul was bringing his readers to, both jews and gentiles, but it is not a state to remain in forever or for long as some choose.

Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Lest he be misunderstood into saying that the law and circumcision is useless, and that the jews had no advantage all the while, he quickly comes in to balance up things as it were. Unfortunately, misunderstanding and offences are inevitable, even towards God.
So, he says circumcision and being a jew is an advantage in EVERY WAY. CEV says " It is good in a lot of ways", Weymouth New Testament says "The privilege is great from every point of view.", God's Word translation says " There are all kinds of advantages." So, whatever else you may read or have read, know today that circumcision and being a jew are of profit and superiority from EVERY POINT OF VIEW. He then begins to list some of his reasons, chief/most importanat being that the oracles of God(the Bible) was committed to them. 66 books, and God chose only jews to write them through a long span of more than 1000years. Not one Greek, or Egyptian, or babylonian, or wise man from the east, or American, or Nigerian. 66-0 is a major scoreline in any game, it means khaki no bi leather.

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Some of them did not believe, not all. obviously, Paul believed and he was a jew. So also were the 12 disciples, and many of the 3000 in Acts of the apostles on the day of pentecost. But the majority did not believe. Did their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? No, God FORBID as the passage states. The faith of God continued to work but not in their lives.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Nobody can stop God from His ultimate aim, and purposes. One can only hurt oneself. The faith of God continued to work, it did not return void or pointless. It went to others. The majority of the jews rejected it/Him. They hardened their hearts and were stiff-necked. They resisted the Holy Ghost. Jesus said they made the Word of God of no effect (Mark7v13). Whose loss? Theirs, not God's. the same Word, faith and Spirit went somewhere else(to gentiles mainly) to bear fruit, have effect. It says let God be true, but every man a liar. Such a fearful thing, the possibility of God being true and every man a liar. It means that if God's word says something, and every man, pastor, teacher, denomination, and translation say another thing, god is still true. Every man's disobedience does not change the verse.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? I (speak as a man)
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Notice the bracket 'i speak as a man'. Many times, God's Word is that way, speaking as a man, because the message is for man. What would be the use of speaking chinese to a yoruba man no matter the import of the message? What is the relevance of speaking angel's language to leaders of the UN? Except a dog is trained, there would be no use in speaking fluent grammar to it. In same fashion, God uses what we can comprehend to speak to us. There are things and terms a high tech scientist, or a university professor cannot say or use at home. It can cause something else. God is not unrighteous to take vengeance, to judge sin. Paul is re-affirming this. Many contemporary teachings and christians are not sure that a righteous God will take vengeance, the spirit that was in Paul is not in them. God will judge the world. paul has earlier said that there is a day for it. Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Today, God is watching, and waiting for folks to repent. That is not all He can do. Some people want God to act if He is truly alive. How can this wicked act be, why should that wicked person be alive, etc. But God has set a day, that day. Like that fine joke implies, Jesus saves. He is saving it all, He will not forget. He will judge. God is watching.

Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

If God's truth has more abounded through your lie, your cheating, your stealing, your sins. be assured that MUCH MORE His truth will MORE AND MORE abound through His righteousness in you. There is no excuse to sin.

Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Paul was slandered i.e false and malicious statements that damaged his reputation were made concerning him. Even so today, a christian might be slandered. Your teacher, pastor, member, wife, husband, self might be slandered. Always think of that posibbility before making rash decisions and comments. The end does not always justify the means. And there you have it AGAIN, whose damnation is just. i love jesus, i love Peter, i love Paul, they were not looking to be politically correct. on the other hand, they were not insulting, abusive, or full of bile and hate.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Just in case you did not get it, or somehow still managed to misunderstand the points been made, paul states again that the gentiles are NOT BETTER THAN the jews. No, in no wise, not at all. It has been PROVED before that both Jews and Gentiles have sinned. If anyone said he had not sinned, it is a lie.He is saying here that its not just what he has written that shows it, the Bible that they knew(genesis to malachi) proved it. Notice how the apostle often goes to the Bible(what we call Old Testament Bible) to defend, assert and approve what he is saying.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

He begins to show how it has been before proved that both jews and gentiles are all under sin. It is written is it. This is the fourth IT IS WRITTEN phrase in this epistle that contains sixteen.
There is none righteous, no, not one. That's the psalms. All men are corrupt by nature. this is the same point Jesus was driving home when he said there is none good but God. the man that came to Him thought there were some good men. Many also think same today. They say there are many good men that are not christians. Jesus and Paul and the scriptures say there is none good, no, not ONE. Who is saying the truth, who do you believe, who knows better?

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

A quotation from the psalms, Isaiah and Hosea. No matter the many beautiful ways of the different religions, the conclusion from God is that there is none that understandeth, none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

ALL gone out of the way. Exodus, the psalms, isaiah, Genesis and Ecclesiastes. Man was in the way in Adam, he was good and profitable in the garden of Eden. But he became unprofitable for God after the fall. Like a corrupt file in a computer, there is none that doeth good. It's corrupt whatever port one tries to collect it from. it's corrupt no matter how many times one duplicates it, or copy and paste it. it's corrupt no matter the size of file one adds to it. It is corrupt no matter the importance of the data in it. All gone out of the way, unprofitable, jew and gentile.

Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

He goes ahead to quote other portions of scripture to buttress the point that ALL have sinned, jew and gentile. Inherent in this is that those verses are not referring to jews only, but to both jews and gentiles. The implication may be that the law was busy condemning both those that had it and those that did not have it. Ignorance is not an excuse for sin apparently.
Rom 2:12a For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law:
(CEV) Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be punished for what they do wrong.
(GW) Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God will still be condemned to destruction.
A sin by ignorance is a sin still.
Num 15:28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Perhaps thats why being without understanding is mentioned under all unrighteousness in chapter one. believers should grow in grace and in knowledge so that we are not punished for lack of knowledge. Do not hide but seek knowledge and sound teaching of God's Word. There are so many at least i'm born again, and you are not the only one going to Heaven christians today.
Pro 4:13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

yellowpawpaw: I asked my friend,a dl member how she did her wedding.she said she wore wedding gown,flowers, veil but no make up.did it in jos and all d wedding she has bn attending were like her own.was suprised when I said skirt and blouse,china white etc.she saw d pictures and laughed. That had it bn there was phone during her own time,she will snap and post for her friends and whatever.
She said maybe the skirt and blouse thing or no flower was lagos style bc for almost her 40 yrs in deeper life in d north(jos precisely),she has not seen such.even said d bride looks very beautiful!

another witness, i know osisi and co are still reading.

bukatyne: Deep lifers did that and not us. Don't you notice that OlowoTee seems to suggest that the bride dresses that way because Mummy Kumuyi is dead? That the standards have fallen? Did you not see the poster that was the 'friend' of the bride and tried to debunk the pictures?

That's the problem, you're seeing deeper lifers and Olowotee but not yourself. You brought up 'holiness'. Why ask if holiness differs because dressing differs? Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks na.

frosbel: Did the rich MAN have a body with a head and thus a mouth that was capable of drinking water ?

Did Jesus tell an unrealistic parable?

patience is key

osisi
It seems you live in north america, what effort have you made in finding out or you are pleased/satisfied with gloatings, assumptions and rumors?

shdemidemi: Bro, you have abandoned the Romans thread o, Hope all is well.

no bi abandon oh, my oga. Its time and some other issues. This one na mobile gadget things, that one is more serious. Its on my mind sha.

bukatyne: Can you tell us where this wedding took place?

Please explain your last statement

North America. The last statement is based on this statement that you made "For those
saying that they have different standard of
dressing across board, does it mean some
parishes are holier than others or is there
classic and modern parishes?" Your statement equates and compares the dressing standard to holiness, by asking if some parishes are holier than others.

honeychild: Pictures please?

seems you are just keen on mocking, its already funny to you. i won't post the picture(s) for privacy reasons, and secondly, because the picture does not prove to you that it was done in any particular church. If you need proof, find someone in north america who attends deeper life to confirm.

babyosisi: Notice how the church wall also went from plastered to unplastered
Bwahahahahahaha

its a different picture of the same person in a different place, is thinking so difficult?

preshuzpearl: ^^^i seriously think u are lying. Why will someone take the pains to change all the details of the wedding including the engagement photos before giving it out! That's clearly overboard no matter what beef such person has against the church. This is just a move by some desperate person to bring things back to normal. you don't right a wrong with another wrong so Keep your lies to yourself cos what has happened has happened. There's nothing you can do about it

which is the wrong they are trying to right? People sef.

bukatyne: I don't understand why some deeper lifers are trying so hard to explain away these pictures. I have read funny points like:

The groom might not be born again
The father might nt have approved
There are different standards of dressing etc.

We all know that other members will never be allowed to wear this. For those saying that they have different standard of dressing across board, does it mean some parishes are holier than others or is there classic and modern parishes? Most dl members have painted the picture that people dressed apart from their way is a sinner. So where is the talk of different standards coming from?

There is no need to explain anything. The couple have wedded the way they like. We pray these privileges is extended to all members so we stop seeing weddings like funeral ceremonies and couples looking like chief mourners.

sorry to disappoint you, i am a living witness to another deeper life wedding where they also dressed this way, even more extravagant. Deal with facts, not. Why do you base the holiness of parishes on dressing but accuse deeper of doing same?

na wa oh. It was a good week.

busolayemi: My bro in d Lord, take tins easy nao...I sincerely know how dis feels with u....buh just a quick question...are u now trying to say the deeper life in Nigeria is different from the one outside Cos as I am typing this now, my mom is still on discipline cos I ded to dress the way dis lady ere is dressed on my wedding day....If your answer to that question is yes....then am just short of words....rily

Sorry about your mum. i'm not saying or particular about whether one style of dressing or wedding is right or wrong. But the fact and truth is that it is not a first time thing in deeper life. i am a witness to a deeper life wedding where they wore something more extravagant, drummed, danced etc. It depends on location i think. Each administration has some freedom to what it permits or not. Its everywhere, its called organization/administration. The only issue i have is if/when someone takes it overboard by keeping it as God's law or above. Some choir use uniform, i think deeper in Lagos is pleated skirt. Some use color. These are not major issues except you them as major. Its devil that makes one to major on minor. These are not things that make a church different from another. There are bigger and core issues like faith, love, doctrine.

eka baby: so d point u r making is dat d deeper life church outside Nigeria is different,so dey allow permed hair,makeup hmmm contradiction in d highest order,let's stop d eye service because he is general overseers son doesn't make him more superior dan oda dat dey force 2 wear turtle neck n turban 4 deir wedn,using a stretched limo is it nt earthly n carnal?A deeper life lady uses thread 2 make her hair,no relaxer must touch deir hair,bt d general overseer's daughter inlaw's hair is permed.God dey sha!!

Yes, the unmistakable point is that deeper life differs in administration from place to place, even in Nigeria. So also other churches.
1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
Its normal as far as their core values remain true to the bible, and I'll be disappointed if outward appearance like wearing wedding gown is their core value. It appears to be the yardstick you and others are using to judge them. The fact and truth remains that other members have wedded that way in that region. A church is not a cult, each region has a certain level of autonomy, that is not contradiction.

TV.

babyosisi: And in your warped mentality his son is not Christian enough in your eyes because his wife did not dress in the deeper life asho ebi for his wedding
He is not of deeper life yet he was wedded in deeper life?
Ask yourself why
Why did deeper life make an exception or this couple because of who they are
Isn't that wrong?
Are you people trying to be deliberately deceptive in these responses
Nobody cares much about what deeper lifers wear
I won't wear it myself
What we are speaking against is the hypocrisy whereby deeper life will condemn people who don't dress their way ,will refuse to wed them in wedding gowns yet the same deeper life will allow the founder's daughter inlaw to perm her hair,open her veil,wear make up ad wear a wedding gown and veil ,carry a bouquet of lowers and wed inside a deeper life church
Why can't you looks address this hypocrisy and double standards rather than whine that people are talking ill of your church
Discuss the issue please
And try to be sincere in your answers

Have you tried being sincere in your reading and comprehension instead of being selective? Have you not read that the new couple are not an exception, and that it is common practice in the region where they wedded? You seem to care a lot about what deeper life wears abi your name is nobody, you obviously judge them by their appearance, yet you do not want them to judge you by your own appearance. Their have been other deeper life weddings 'bigger' and more extravagant than this, and i am a witness. Others have also said same. yes, they wore wedding gowns, and carried bouquets, and DRUMMED and danced like there was no tomorrow. Are you by any chance omniscient?

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Note the bracket of verse 13-15. from verse 12, It will read For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. .
There is a day of judgement coming, that God has set aside to judge man. Whatever we are doing today has consequences. As many as have sinned(with or without law) will be judged IN THE DAY. This is a message included in the gospel. The gospel is not only God will heal you and prosper you. According to the gospel, in the gospel, God will judge. There will be punishment for sinners. Paul also says it is my gospel, that is the gospel that he preached. Followers of paul and of his epistles should remember the full content of the gospel. So far, we have seen that it contains repentance, faith/belief, the wrath of God and judgement. this is just two chapters, the other passages reveal the full content of the gospel, lets ensure not to be lopsided.

Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

In this verse, Paul clearly addresses a Jew. This shows that there were people of jewish descent among those he wrote to. paul was not a man known for speaking into the air. Also, it is not far fetched that there would have been jews in the church at Rome. Its like having any of our nigerian denominations in another country, it would most likely have nigerians as members, most likely be started by a nigerian, who would have family and friends also in the church. Its the same way christianity initially started from Israel, it was usually the jews who it was first presented to and accepted it in other lands. Now, Jews had and some still have this superior notion of themselves as being a special people, of sort of purer blood, children of Abraham etc. it is common for a jew to wake up in the morning and thank God for being a Jew. It might not be that common to us to thank God for being a Nigerian or even some other developed country, but the Jews are brought up that way, witha sense of looking down on other races as unclean and not on their level. They pride themselves in that, make a boast of having the true God, having the law i.e genesis to Revelation.
Deu 14:2 For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Psa 135:4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Paul then says, the Jews know God's will. Not God's former will, but God's will. How? By being instructed out of the law. God's will is revealed in His Word. the problem in the Old testament era was that they were not able to do the will of God, not that they didn't know the will of God. Paul said that the Jews approved the things that ARE more excellent. They approved and distinguished the best. They were not ignorant. Paul gave them that one. They know God's will, and approve of it. God's will is more excellent. And it is found in the law i.e Genesis to malachi.

Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

The Jews were confident in this knowledge and approval, and in their jewish status. they were not confident in God but in themselves. They had the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Paul would later denigrate such confidence in knowledge and in self. But never the law, instead he talks of the truth in the law.

Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonorest thou God?

Here is their error, they were not practicing the good thing that they preached. the good thing was not the error, but that they did not practice it. They could not practice it on their own BTW. that was a major issue in the old testament. The messages were more of Thus says the Lord. the Lord said. Their own lives were not exemplary to be followed. They mainly came with more messages and messages from God. But in the new testament, there were examples to follow. There is a conscious "follow me" both from Christ and His disciples. they testified of their own lives. They could boldly say "do as i do".
1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
2Th 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an example unto you to follow us.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
3Jo 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Here again is another verse showing that there were jews in the Roman church. Here also is another quote from the law to buttress his point. God's name is blasphemed when we do not practice what we preach, ven if we are preaching the truth, and most excellent things.

Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

IF the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, IF. That is almost impossible. Even the jews themselves could not keep it.
Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
It was actually impossible as the law was given to show/prove to man that he could not keep it.
Gala 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(CEV) What is the use of the Law? It was given later to show that we sin. But it was only supposed to last until the coming of that descendant who was given the promise. In fact, angels gave the Law to Moses, and he gave it to the people.

Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Paul shows that circumcision does not make the jew fulfill the law any more than the uncircumcision. Their being lettered or knowledgeable in the law did not help them either. If by any chance in a billion, the uncircumcised fulfill the law, it judges the circumcised who thinks he is at a vantage point.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Here is the sucker punch as it were. A jew might actually be a fake jew. Having a horizontal tribal marks on the cheeks is not full proof that you are yoruba. Even speaking the language is no proof. All that is outward and can be replicated by anyone who really wants to. the real proof is in the blood, inward. In the gene and geneology as it were. It is in something unseen as the heart and spirit. At this point, all the boasting and pride of the average jew is watered down and weakened.

eka baby: Y shud I b disturbn myself? He's son is suppose 2b a role model 4 deeper lifers,his wifey would av wore satin wit turtle neck n turban wit nooooo makeup on,4get d gist of dem living in d us,make dem pack well joor.R dey telln me no 1 has wedded @ d headquarter in lag b4if its d pastors dat implemented d rule of lookn like a mourner @ deir wedn,hw come he hasn't addressed it??abegi
nt interested.

i think they are "parked well", it is the haters, the disturbed and the perturbed that need to park very very well with C caution. Why should his son be your model? Is he a pastor or is he Jesus? Have you ever heard him speak or preach? How many times? What are his qualifications? Is it a family business, or must he be the heir apparent? Why should the gist be forgotten that they live in the U.S or that their region/branch is not as stringent as you wish? It has been confirmed already by more than three people that others also wed that way if they want to, in that region. What again do you want? Have the ones/members in Nigerian complained to you that they are having marital problem because of what they wore? Why are you judging by appearance, and condemning deeper life for judging by appearance?

joshneku: I have been a Deeper Life member since childhood. Inasmuch as am confused and a bit angrey about d pic, one thing is certain: Pastor W.F Kumuyi remains a prophet of hollininess. His convictions, sincererity and love for God cannot be questioned. Most of the harsh rules in d church are beeing peddled by leaders who mean well yet are ignorant. I believe that what the wedding shows is that Pastor Kumuyi wants to teach us that we should not be restricted by human doctrines. Afterall, somebody said "Be the change you want to see im others". He is simply showing us the way. However, when I will express serious doubts is when other ppl will want to wed and d church will imsists on old fashioned clothes. Till then, Shalom.

i believe the administration differs from state to state and country even. People have been wedding in deeper life north america in more extravagant ways, people that i know. So its no biggie over there, I don't know about Nigeria sha. They also hold services on different days, and programs and events not done in Lagos. They wear hats too, etc. What one administration allows, another may not. Like in some churches, anyone officiating has a particular dress code or uniform or color. You may not be allowed to do anything if the administrative standard is not met. Like in some organizations, there are gadgets you must wear to even enter, staff or visitor. Some there is a tie color, or dress style. Some on friday, you can wear native. Its simply administration. its perplexing how some think it as bondage or something.

OLAADEGBU: Will you acknowledge that you are a false teacher who is willing to repent if I give you a reference where Paul spoke about repentance in his epistles, and not come up with another lame excuse?

hahahahahahaha. Even my java phone's Bible app has a free search.

ohpeyemi: i have been on Nl for over 5 years without making any comment. This will be my first comment on NL. The sensitive nature of this thread however warranted it. i have carefully read people's comment on the topic and i really bleed in my heart. i started going to dl when i was 4 till some few years ago. while in dl i saw hypocrisy in it real form and how people are being deluded with different traditions and doctrine of men.
They lay heavy burden on people while they will not lift any with their little finger. I have seen people that were suspended because their children had this kind of wedding not even as elaborate as this(even pastors). The church members needs to rise up and demand for the suspension of the GS or demand for a public apology for those that have been disciplined for this type of so called offence.
This is nothing but blatant hypocrisy and double standard of the highest order. They teach another thing and act otherwise. please do not be deceived. know God for yourself.

You saw hypocrisy in deeper life? i see hypocrisy in you. Hypocrisy is everywhere in every denomination. Jesus saw hypocrisy all His life, didn't hinder Him from a custom and lifestyle of going to the synagogue and the temple. You may need to die and go to Heaven so that you will not see hypocrisy oh. Was it right for the church to suspend people, or why are you also calling for a suspension? Do two wrongs make a right?
Proverbs 17:26 Also to punish the just is not good, nor to strike princes for equity.