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davidylan: I wonder which is better - setting up a thread to discuss the bible/iron out a disagreement with a brother with the word or opening up a thread solely to slander the brother. Na wa o. All these "judge, jury and executioner" christians.

you tell David please. Where is the slander or false statement. Does frosb even regard this folks as brethren?
3 John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

There have been threads set up to discuss bible since NL's inception till date ithink .

Image123: Again we must assume that Jesus Christ and all the preachers around the world are not reputable men of God. confused bunch, when we show them the full messages of these men now, they'll start stammering some gibberish about following christ.

spot on

Spurgeon, a "reputable" man of God on heaven and hell.
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0039.htm

very graphic, thickly 'anointed' piece BTW. Hope you find grace to read through and also believe.

BTW
http://slaveoftheword..com/2010/03/selection-of-post-tithe-quotes-spurgeon.html?m=1

Most tithe teachers like Jesus and the apostles will give similar comments depending on proper context. No sane preacher would be found directly attacking tithes which Jesus Christ taught. Its like Jesus saying "why callest thou me good? " and someone holds on tightly to that to be bad.

lagerwhenindoubt: really, how did you discern my lack of understanding of scripture?

Bros, i didn't talk of your lack of understanding scriptures as statement of fact. i just said you MIGHT not. i think you'll want to wait for Ola, thanks.

The Apostle of faith. God bless you OP.

na Baba be that oh.

lagerwhenindoubt: Let me see. born again (yes) profession (once a vibrant evangelist) confessions (@Ola cannot possibly have done that many as I have )

You give the same answer a vexed Muslim in the Islam section once gave to me, I have to be Muslim and be able to read the koran in Arabic before I can comprehend anything he says.

you don't even understand my question, you might find it tough 'cracking' scriptures. Well just my opinion, Ola may just be interested or have other reasons sha.

frosbel: he has no insight into the matter, you should know image123 by now !

As usual of you, you're quick to speak than hear, read or think. He was not even referring to me.

lagerwhenindoubt: I cannot imagine why it would surely enlighten many Christian folks if he could lend his legendary insights into the matter

Lol @ legendary insights. Are you born again? He may not want to waste his time discussing bible with one who has not the Spirit. Your public profession and confession of faith in Jesus might increase your chances. just my opinion though, no offence.

Again we must assume that Jesus Christ and all the preachers around the world are not reputable men of God. confused bunch, when we show them the full messages of these men now, they'll start stammering some gibberish about following christ.

frosbel: Hmm, you know what me means , no ?

If you fail in one point, why should we consider your others points valid.

kindly speak a language i can understand, I'm not interested in assumptions and insinuations, thanks.

Bidam: Thanks image for that insightful reply to shdemidemi posts,this is what happens when someone only picks some books from the bible to read without properly reading it as a whole package.Jesus actually talked about two kingdoms in Mathew 12 :26-28.
@shdemidemi, i would like you to study the scripture an answer these questions.
1. What are the kingdoms?
2. Are they physical or spiritual kingdoms?
3.Which of the kingdom do we belong to?
4.What are the implications of these kingdoms in our day to day living?

you're welcome brother.

alexleo: I disagree with you bros. All i know is that devil keeps fighting against anyone who possesses the truth so that the person will derail. If you check this guys past posts you will see it was powered by the Holy Spirit. If you love frosbel, pray for him more for God to set his feet on the right path to deliver the mission that God has ordained him for. Pls lets take this more of a spiritual battle than physical. God bless you.

ihear.

frosbel: People who preach the tithe fraud , what spirit is propelling them into this gross error ?

no idea, what is the tithe fraud and what is your fixation on it about?

Rather the time when frosb wasn't getting enough for efforts, so he had to leave for 'greener' pastures. Still the same fellow with a lot of smoke.

frosbel: just like the LIE of the Tithe FRAUD you preach.

i called a spirit, are you the one?

funny thread. i guess good is now by highest votes, and those who teach scriptural tithing are not reputable. Folks like Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul.

so many sickle celled christians. Man lives by God's Word.

lying spirit.

frosbel: If by pride you mean the rejection of your false doctrines , I am comfortable with that definition.

Your pride in this case is your hypocrisy and insincerity and slyness to accept that you are wrong in telling people that hell is prepared for the devil, when there is obviously no Bible verse that says so. Instead of accepting your error/mistake and correcting it, you are more interested in side stepping the issue and telling bunkum about what you wish i will say which i did not say.

shdemidemi: You are right that there is no Jew nor gentile in Christ. The boundary has been put down by the gospel of Christ, you cannot afford to go back to the Jewish ways of doing things.

i never mentioned going back anywhere. i've been talking about obeying the Word of God instead of pushing it to others.

The truth remains that Christ said to the disciples I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. He had much more things to say but it was expedient that he leaves for these things to be revealed.

You said that the mysteries of the Kingdom were revealed to Paul. i simply reminded you that they were also revealed to other disciples too, not only Paul.
Luk 8:9 And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be?
Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
please lets seek to understand scriptures here, not just to defend our point/idea at all cost. Here is the scripture you just alluded to.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
You left out the part where Jesus said that they will know in the future, when the Holy Spirit came. Do you think Jesus was wrong here or what? Do you sincerely think only Paul could bear whatever Jesus had to say?

One thing you need to separate is the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel Paul calls 'his', he also calls this gospel a gospel of God or the gospel of Christ but never a gospel of the kingdom. The fact still remains that all the people in Rome, Galatia, Corinth, Philippi, colosse did not know about Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Paul brought them out from whatever they believed with the gospel and revelation he got from Christ.

Can you show us a scripture that tells us that there is more than one gospel? i have shown you the scriptures that tell us that there is only one gospel, and another is a counterfeit.
Gala 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gala 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Did Paul know more than Jesus who said that the gospel of the kingdom will be preached everywhere? Why do you divide what God has not divided?
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Jesus clearly taughted, commanded and wished that the gospel of the kingdom be preached in ALL THE WORLD, every nation, to every creature. You can't come and tell us that it is just for Jews and Paul's gospel is different. Paul NEVER said that his message or gospel was different. The Bible does not make ANY demarcations as it talks of the gospel and how the apostles went everywhere preaching it in the book of Acts. paul preached about the Kingdom of God everywhere. In this same Romans, he talked of the Kingdom of God being not meat and drink.
Act 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Act 28:30 And PAUL dwelt TWO whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Act 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
you cannot just make blank statements like "all the people in Rome, Galatia, Corinth, Philippi, colosse did not know about Mathew, Mark, Luke and John" They did not know but you managed to know, right? Even Paul did not know abi, he didn't need it? Please, lets endeavour to say what the Bible is saying, and not just what we think or what it to say.

You won't find Peter James and John speak about issues concerning the resurrection, which is central to our salvation. Not a word about salvation by faith and faith alone. And not a word about the Body of Christ, which we have been placed into. Now, when I refer to Paul’s Gospel, I’m referring to what he said in I Corinthians 15:1-4. "That it’s by my gospel," Paul says, "that you are saved." And what is Paul’s Gospel? "How that Christ died for our sins. That He was buried and that He arose again the third day according to the scriptures." That’s Paul’s Gospel, and you must believe that with all your heart! And if you can’t find that in these Jewish epistles (which you can’t), then you have to recognize that they’re not proclaiming Paul’s Gospel, because they’re in the "Kingdom" economy, and you cannot mix the two, because one was under Law and the other is under Grace!

You see why i say that you are only causing a derail of the thread with all these? You are just making me have to help you look up things that have almost nothing to do with this thread. Tey and do more study before making these types of statements. Here is Peter on resurrection for instance.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The resurrection was what they preached in the Acts of the apostles, long when Paul was still busy stoning people.
Act 4:2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

It is the same resurrection that Paul later went about preaching. There are many scriptures for this, please do your studies.
Act 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
How anyone will imply that only Paul spoke about faith and the church baffles me. Peter in one of his letters was delivering a message from the church of Babylon. How could he not know about or speak about the church(which is the body of Christ)? Was it not primarily to him that Jesus made that famous statement about the gates of hell not prevailing against the church. Even tradition has it that he(Peter) was bishop in the Roman church for sometime. How can you tell us that it was all paul. Paul himself tried so much to not make so much of himself. He wanted us to concentrate on Christ and the Word of God, not on Paul or Peter or Apollos. That God used Paul to write many epistles doesnot translate to mean that he was the only one that knew the things written. God used him to pen them down for us mostly, for future generations. He was the most educated of the apostles, and God got him to do the job of writing. this doesn't mean that he was the only one that preached or understood this things. THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS SO. Even, thank God for imprisonment that allowed Paul opportunity and need to write so many letters. How many hours or years did he use? Do you think the letters were the only messages the apostles(Paul and others) preached. Do you assume that any book or author you see today, the content of their book is the only thing they know, and that others that have not written about it do not know?[i.e if for instance Oyedepo wrote a book on Holy Spirit and Akanni didn't, does that mean that Akanni does not know about Holy Spirit, or that the only thing Oyedepo knows is Holy Spirit, he doesn't know about love or tribulation since he did not write on it?] Why do you think that way of the apostles?

The "Kingdom Gospel" starts out probably the plainest when Jesus asked the twelve disciples back in Matthew 16, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" And, of course, some said, "You’re John the Baptist, some think you’re one of the prophets." Then He came back and said, "But whom do you say that I am?" And Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God." Period. And that’s all these Jews back here in the Four Gospels had to believe for salvation.

Actually, the Kingdom gospel runs throughout the new testament books. All you need to do is search the books.
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mar 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
This is the gospel of the Kingdom, this is the gospel of Jesus Christ, and Paul said he was not ashamed of it. Jesus said this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world. He did not say that it will change. He did not say he will give Paul his gospel and the former one will be for Jews. No, it is the same Kingdom of God for everyone. Infac Jesus warned the Jews that others may enter that kingdom before them. he did not make separate Kingdoms or separate gospels. Please, read your Bible alone on this matters. i appreciate books and teachings on dispensations and whatever, but let God be true and every man a liar. Let's study what God's word has said.

Of course, he couldn’t mention the death, burial and resurrection because it hadn’t happened yet and they didn’t know it was going to happen. They had no idea that they would be going up to Jerusalem for a crucifixion. So the Kingdom Gospel is that Jesus was the Christ. He was the Son of God. And He was offering Israel the glories of the earthly Kingdom, promised all the way up through the Old Testament.

Jesus mentioned His death, burial and resurrection severally before it happened. i'm not giving you scriptures for this, please read.

So as go into the Jewish epistles, everything is directed as yet to Jewish Kingdom believers. They had simply believed Jesus was indeed the Messiah. And they’re still under the Law and you’re going to see language that indicates that, even in I John. So, be aware there are things in here that we can apply but, by and large, all of these little Jewish epistles are written to Jewish Kingdom believers who had probably been scattered out of the Church at Jerusalem and are still under pressure from the Romans.

There is no Jewish kingdom, not in the NT Bible. It is the same kingdom of God. Every one was to seek the Kingdom of God, sinners and saints.
Mat 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Who decides the things we can apply and the things we cannot apply in the epistles? Who says that the apostles'epistles were only written to Jewish people? Where do you get this? There is no such suggestion all through the Bible. i guess in the similar vein paul's epistles are only to corinth, philippi, Titus, timothy and co. they are not to you. That is not how God's Word is. All scripture is profitable for us, written for us.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:

This epistle is CLEARLY written to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ. that includes me and everyh other believer. This same epistle later says
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
It also talks of Paul's letter later. The point here is that we are to be mindful of the old testament and the new testament from this verse. None should be waved aside or demarcated as belonging to jew or whatever.

They’re also under the pressure of orthodox Jews who were aghast that these people were ignorant enough to accept this Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. So, they’re under tremendous persecution and the whole theme of all these little epistles, James, I & II Peter, I, II & III John, and Jude is to prepare these Jewish Kingdom believers for the Tribulation that’s right out in front of them. And they would have to go through that Tribulation pressure before their Messiah could come and set up the Kingdom - where we in the this Age of Grace are promised we don’t have to go through the Tribulation, but will be Raptured out before that takes place.

Now there is some indication of His shed blood, for propitiation of sin. But there is nothing pertaining to the death, burial and resurrection that we are to place our faith in as the means of salvation in this Age of Grace. But their means of salvation was to believe Who Jesus really was.

this is already answered above.

Lets look at the verses together-


Galatians 2:7

"But contrariwise, (Paul writes) when they (the Twelve) saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision (that’s Gentiles) was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision (Israel) was (committed) unto Peter;" Now that’s plain language. Two totally different concepts. The Gospel of salvation for the Gentile had been committed unto the Apostle Paul. The Gospel of salvation for the Jews had been committed to Peter and the Eleven. All right now then, verse 8.


Galatians 2:8

"(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, (Israel) the same (that is the same Christ, the same God) was mighty in me toward (what people?) the Gentiles" Now that’s as different as daylight and dark. There’s no amalgamating them. Peter’s the apostle to Israel. Paul’s the apostle to the Gentiles.


Galatians 2:9a

"And when James, Cephas, (Peter) and John,.…
Galatians 2:9b

"…who seemed to be pillars, (that is, of the Kingdom economy up there at Jerusalem) perceived (or understood) the grace that was given unto me,.…" When they understood, yes, Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles; we’re the apostles of Israel.


Galatians 2:9c

"…they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; (all three of them shook on it. And here is that gentleman’s agreement) that we should go unto the heathen, (Gentiles) and they unto the circumcision." (Israel, the Jew) That was a gentleman’s agreement. No more subterfuge; no more undermining Paul’s ministry. We’re going to leave you to the Gentiles and now look what it is. They agreed with the right hands of fellowship that Paul and Barnabas should go to the heathen, the Gentiles; and they, James, and Peter, and John, and the rest of the Jerusalem leadership (the Kingdom economy), they would stay with the circumcision, with Israel. The agreement, that Paul would be the apostle to the Gentiles with Barnabas’ help, of course. And that the Twelve would confine their ministry to Israel.

Is a very simple thing i ask. There is no Bible passage that says that Paul had a message that the other apostles could not comprehend.

sheniqua: So we do agree finally?
Isn't that the same things I have written here all along and Oladeegbu has called me names like permissive and jezebellian and hell bound and whatever judgmental crap he chooses to label fellow children of God,called into the same family of God he professes to be part of.
Praise be to God that not all deeper lifers buy into that doctrine of hate.
You have not said anything different from my post you quoted.
God's qualifications for those who are his remain the same,whatever we use or drop as our individual church doctrine cannot change that.
They will know we are Christians by our love ( not by our denominations)
God bless.
I agree wholeheartedly with your post above most especially the parts I highlighted.

Actually, we are not saying the same thing. Mr A living in rubbles cannot claim to be living in the same house with Mr B just because the both have the same color of curtain or paint. You are saying that deeper life are using double standards, i am saying that their standards remain the same and that any church can have differences in administration. You are waiting for them to change so that you can say "i told you", and prove that they were wrong and you were right. i am not. My motives are so different from yours, and so is my base. sorry.

frosbel: Learn to mind your business I did not ask you.

It's a public forum, and not a personal question. If you want privacy, you might want to ask your question on phone or through mail. You're a confused man seeking to confuse others, seek for help on time.

frosbel: lol, what is the difference between demons and fallen angels ?

Image123, you need to study scripture and stop wasting other peoples time with ignorant questions.

Brotherly Love, Frosbel.

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Your pride will make God to resist you.

frosbel: but really how many churches are there and who owns them ?

we don't know how many, do you?

frosbel: to prove that there is a separate HELL for image123 ?

The bible talks of one hell which is translated Gehenna or the lake of fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels , this is the only one we know of.

But you seem to think God made 2 hells, one for man and one for the devil , make up your mind, how many hells are there ?

this beating around the bush is unprofitable. Simply shame the devil and quote where the bible says hell is/was prepared for the devil and his angels. i see you have upgraded the thing from demons to angels, you will learn lesson.

Belexy 95: It appears majority of d deeper lifers on dis thread are those dat joined d church btw yr 2K n now. They virtualy kws little abt d church. U argue on some stuffs u are nt sure abt. There's notin wrong in askin ur pastors some doctrinal issues. Pls,dnt come up here n vent ur ignorance of d church doctrines as wel as scriptures.tanx!

professor of deeper life studies, what are the church doctrines sir/ma?

OLAADEGBU: Salient points made here. Good job.

ohh sirrr, thank you.
i just go one deeper wedding today BTW.
satan has failed again.

hope frosb is here. oops i doubt. A kingdom cannot be divided against itself.

frosbel: So hell was created for those who wear earrings , who drink wine in moderation, who debunk your myths, etc.

Total nonsense, you do err not knowing the scriptures bro, humble yourself and learn.

The burden of proof is on you. Simply show us the scripture that proves your man made doctrine. Absolutely no need for insinuations and fallacies.

One thing that remains pertinent than any argument and point to be made, is the coming of Christ. The important issue is, are you ready? Its easy to judge and criticize as evident, even those who do not believe in Jesus are here to run mouth and gnash teeth. But more important for professing believers, if Jesus is to come today, will you go with Him?
Mat 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
Mat 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
The Master has given His servants according to his several ability. It is not about double standard. Not all churches, locations, or believers have the same ability. Of course, we should cover EARNESTLY the best gifts, and the more excellent things(1Cor12 and Philippians1). It is same Master, different talents. And the Master will reward every one according to that. You will be examined according to your class. You can't have the same exams for SS1 and SS3. Its not for SS1 to forever remain in that class by the way, neither is it for SS3 to be complaining, jealous, and threaten to go to SS1. This is the way the Kingdom is like. And if you go and dig/lose your talent into the world, well, you know what happened to the man in that story.


Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
This is another illustration of what is expected of christians who want to be ready for Jesus when He comes again. Jesus will reward them mainly based on how they treated Jesus'brethren i.e believers/the church. How did they treat Jesus'brethren?
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
When the brethren were hungry, they fed them. When they were thirsty and weak, they took care of them. When they were naked, they clothed them. What i see here are people who are taking joy in dissecting and breaking down the sheep. People looking for how to show the world the faults of God's children, an opportunity to mock and deride. Folks who do not care, and would probably be more satisfied if many people leave a church or if something bad happens to their shepherd. This is not the Bible love.
Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Pro 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.
1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
This is what Bible calls love. That even if brethren have sinned, you are not gloating over it or seeking to n.aked them, like its a lifetime opportunity that you have been waiting for to present itself. This is what Christ will reward at His coming, and many people here are seriously failing the exam. They will ask in that day, When did we see you n.aked,or thirsty, or wounded or sick. Hopefully, folks will repent, or just silently mind their own business.