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Goshen360: ^ Bros, you dey vex gan ni o. Abeg no vex. You know say two una na my brothers. Like you told me and Ola when we dey dig am the other day. E jo, e maa binu.

how i take vex na? I'm only saying the truth and heart of the matter. God sent his own to preach the gospel to sinners, not deluded witchhuntings that have no reward. he that has ears should hear.

frosbel: Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners

We will do well to purge the church of thieves who steal tithes from widows and orphans, war mongering Zionists, loveless Christians and the endless prosperity scams and lies. These are the charlatans who are doing a great disservice to the cause of Christ today.

i have gone to learn what it means oh, and i don come back. It is perfectly in line with the statement "does the op not know that he easily fits the picture of the religious elite, with a lot of 'experience', head knowledge and denominational first handism and doctrinal rigmarole?
BTW, Its never okay to be a sinner, especially an unrepentant one. Jesus wasn't dining and befriending unrepentant blasphemous sinners.".
Of course, no sane christian would not agree to purge out thieves, war mongerers, haters, deceivers and liars. i wish that that was what you were doing instead of the relentless attempts at causing rancour and division in the body, following after men on nl instead of message etc. the sinners of today have evolved as it were. They are bold and blasphemous, waxing worse and worse, and abounding in iniquity. The ones you call 'bro', because they seem to agree with you in some doctrine are haters of God, lovers of vices, homos.exuality promoters. The sinners of Jesus' time, the ones He dined with were PENITENT of their sins, willing to go and sin no more, believed their was a God somewhere, and had reverence and respect for God and godliness. they came openly to the baptism of John, and gladly heard Jesus, sometimes fainting as sheep without Shepherd. They were not zealous mockers who would only volunteer to go to church/fellowship(whatever name you now call it) to create or not create a scene, or catch girls or contract deals. It is only wisdom that you speak frankly to and deal with the sinners you see and know on nl, than calling them bro and brah up and down, instead of endless vituperations against MOGs that have no nl account, and whom you cannot really convict of sin, except for rumour and fancy disagreement in doctrinal understanding.

thehomer: Well take your time.



So are you saying it isn't special since there have been changes in the laws that would make it conflict with newer ones?

No, i'm not saying it is not special. i'm saying to focus on the point and the issues. That it was not written at once but written in series, step by step, in progression. We were talking about why some of its laws seemed contradictory, and i was showing you the phases and differing periods necessitating some change, like using the street road construct analogy.

Did God divide the laws into ceremonial laws and moral laws or are you the one dividing it as such? Are the laws concerning what one can eat ceremonial or moral? How about laws about the Sabbath? Are they ceremonial or moral? The way Jews then and now understand the law doesn't split them into ceremonial and moral so you're just introducing anything you like.

Yes, God did. it's like asking if God divided the Bible into chapters and verses. the broad division is inherent and naturally emerges. Some instructions were ceremonial, done like a ritual, to determine clean and unclean as it were. Like offer a turtle dove and sprinkle this. These were all fulfilled in Jesus and became obsolete. Like upgrading an operating system. But moral laws like don't kill, don't steal, they are not obsolete. Christ did not fulfill that for anybody. Each person must not steal etc. Diet laws are moral laws, same with the sabbath. They are not determinants to purity or cleansing. But like i told you earlier, some laws are not do or die, eternal judgement laws. Some folks take every law that way. they go like "if you don't give, hell. If you eat unclean food, hell" Some of God's laws are simply to help us on earth to live a good and decent life to ourselves and to the overall lasting benefit of the society. Such laws are peripheral, the new testament stresses on the core. Your diet, your rest are peripheral to eternity and redemption. Like when i was younger, my parents were strict and observant on my sleeping hours, food intake. Now they are not. Of course they still want me to eat right and sleep well, but those are not major issues again. It's not contradiction.

Actually, when you raise your hand, it is still subject to gravity that is why you start feeling pains if you keep it up for long periods of time. I don't know why you're introducing this so called "law of human life" here.

That's why i said "You can raise your hands and it would not be subject to gravity, at least not immediately." The unobvious point is that two laws operate there. The hand is going up and staying up holding the shoe despite the presence of gravity. It's the same with some of the Bible laws. Two instructions/laws seemingly contradictory but not. Like immediate judgement for an adulterer in the OT. In the NT, the jugdement is not to be immediate. The judgement(gravity) is there alright, but there is a hand of GRACE suspending the judgement from taking effect.

They're not the same thing when it comes to physical laws. Physical laws are the sorts of laws that cannot be disobeyed or violated. You can only act to mitigate its effects. You're confusing prescriptive laws like those in the Bible with descriptive laws like the laws of gravity.

i'm not confusing them, only giving you analogies so that you can get a perspective, seeing you find it difficult to relate with the spiritual.

The more general principle is the one that all humans have access to i.e the effects on this world that we're all sure of rather than made up ones that preachers use to gain power.

And what principle is that? From what i know of law makers, they decide based on highest number of support, not on all human support. there is nothing like a general principle that all humans have access to. One man's poison remains another's meat. The whole world cannot be unanimous until Jesus comes. The majority claim to be religious and most religions frown outwardly on homosexuality, at least the major/'more' religions.

Actually, you're the one who is lazy because if you're unable to show that God nullified some of his laws, why should anyone believe you when you say some laws apply but others don't?

i already showed it with the hebrew passage.

Passages you've posted above are actually a part of the inherent contradictions in your "special" book. God declared some animals unclean and tried to tempt Peter to eat them. He refused because God himself declared them unclean. Haven't you ever wondered whether or not it was the devil that was tempting him with unclean food? Or had God become a tempter? I'm sure that if God had previously declared those foods clean, Peter would have read them in his version of the Bible and would have known. Or is there a place where God said something like "all the animals I previously declared unclean are now clean so you can eat whatever you want".

It's obvious that you have decided to read in your fancy into the clear passages. To you, God evidently declared unclean food as that sounds ridiculous to you, but in the Acts passage, i'm to join you in wondering if it is God or the devil? keep deluding yourself. The passage leaves no wonder, Peter doesn't neither does time and all of my experience, you carry first here in telling me to wonder if it was God speaking in that passage.

How exactly is what I said redundant? The practical treatment was that they could be severely beaten and if they didn't die within a day, the owner is okay. Then there's the issue of forcing a man to be a slave because the owner presented him with a wife. What I'm really asking is why did God allow people to buy and sell other people? Didn't he know that it was wrong?
Then the passage you quoted isn't supposed to apply to everyday life but to when the people gather for service. Otherwise, why didn't the disciples say slavery should be abolished?

The Leviticus 25 passage gives a clause between Israelites and heathens/strangers if you cared to read. Galatians deletes that difference.
Gala 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Deut 22:3: Basically means that people shouldn't cross-dress. while 22:11 means you shouldn't wear clothes made of materials that combine wool and linen. Now go on and tell me what it "really" means.

Like i said, there are disputes on the interpretation of the verses. i'll show you what to do about that. I agree with the verse 5 interpretation, and people should not cross dress, yes. The other one, i disagree with your conclusion. Search the scriptures, search.

I don't think eternal punishment is a minor issue. The judgement they had in mind was here on earth not eternal torture. Your quotes say nothing about this.

i don't think eternal judgement is a minor issue either. i think our argument on whether the OT people knew of it or not is a minor issue, and i'm not interested in arguing or proving that with YOU.

Then let him send the new Jonah that will live in a fish for three days and come on t.v to be interviewed on how he managed to live in a fish for three days. But my point still stands. God was willing to give the small Nineveh a chance but won't give the larger Lagos a chance with his special preacher who will live in a fish for three days.

He sent Jesus already. He was in the dead and buried for three days. Jonah wasn't moving up and down telling fish stories, the passage is lucid enough on what he told Nineveh. Try to stop concocting ideas into scripture, read it instead. Jesus is your special preacher given, receive Him.

Is that how you warn people? By killing everyone and repopulating the world with his hand picked group of 8 people? Do you warn a group of 1000 people by selecting out 4 people who you say obeyed your commands and killing the remaining 996 people? Please read the entire chapter 6 of Genesis. Note what God said in verse 7. Does that sound like a warning to you?

seems you missed it. They are a warning to us and others that were after Noe's generation.
2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

Now you're starting to get it. Jesus introduced hell. Why do you think none of the previous prophets spoke about it? Actually, God claims that he loves all people and is a petty being to be saying love me or I'll torture you forever. Are you telling me that if you had a child who doesn't even know you, would you start chasing him and commanding him to love you or you'll torture him forever?

i want to believe by now that you realise that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. If you do not love God, you are going to hell. that's the simple truth, whatever you think about it. That is reality, call it by whatever adjective that you wish. No sinner is a child of God. Sinners are children of the devil. When you repent, you become God's child and He becomes your Father.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Did Jesus give 1 trillion lives?
Actually, I have my life and I can give it for a purpose even less than what Jesus did even though I'm not assured of being resurrected and living forever. In fact, people have done it for others so I still don't see what is so special about what Jesus did. It also means that those people even paid a higher sacrifice than Jesus himself.

So you think one dollar equals a life, is that how you value life? You can't give what you do not have. You do not have a clean, spotless, acceptable life. No human being born of Adam does, for all have sinned and come short of God's glory. My analogy shows you that it may be easy to give, but that is if you have it. It's the same process to deposit even 10dollars. It's like killing your neighbour's animal and bringing him your own dead animal, or an offender on life term wanting to serve the sentence of another offender on life term. It's not a considerable option.

No man was even needed since God could have decided not to demand sacrifice anymore. It still doesn't make Jesus' death any more worthy than the death of a soldier for his comrades you know.

And on what do you base this assertion that God could have decided not to demand sacrifice anymore? The scripture says otherwise. The soul that sins will die, it was the same thing that was told Adam. Perhaps, he was thinking along your lines too. i guess you ought to know better, having the benefit of hindsight and the whole Bible at your disposal.

And you're missing my point. My point once more is that if God could put in this effort on Nineveh's behalf, why doesn't he do that on behalf of Lagos State? Why claim to be sitting and waiting for the whole world when in Nineveh's time, he didn't wait for the whole world?

God sent Lagos and you something better and greater than Jonah. he sent you Jesus Christ once and for all/everybody. Or you want Him to be sending Him every 33 years?
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
God sent just one Jonah to warn Nineveh. He has sent countless men to warn Lagos and to warn you. He has sent you the Bible, i doubt if Nineveh were given that one. He has delayed and delayed your judgement in the hope that you would repent. Some afre turning to Christ, thank God. you too can, if you are pro-active.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Since you didn't choose your nature, what makes you think that Adam chose his nature? Can you really change your nature? Can you start flapping your arms and fly like a bird? Or can you decide right now to be homosexual? Then God shouldn't have made Adam with that ability.

The Bible records make me think so. You can change your nature once you give your life to Christ Jesus in repentance.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
We've been talking about the spiritual and godly nature, not about birds, concentrate. Any human can decide to sin, sin is in the human nature. All that is needed is some push/influence. There are many who were straight and clean until the were exposed to the influence of pros.titute friends, running abroad to make money, hostel, po.rnography etc.

But God said he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy. And obviously, he can choose to have mercy on someone who doesn't deserve it so it is still just any random person. You just said God can give mercy to anybody so what is this fine print that you're introducing into the Bible? Be careful that you don't start adding things to the Bible because it is bitter.

"i will have mercy on whom I will have mercy" is an indication that God's mercy is not limited to a special race or tribe. It crosses boundaries, all you need to do is meet the conditions given in the book. Here is a condition for someone like you.
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The fine print statement is a metaphor telling you to pay attention to the details. instead of gloating on a verse or a promise, read the fine print, note the conditions and terms. God's promises are always conditional, that's a nugget you need to stick into yourself forever.

So you mean they can just go and start blabbing away beside the road hoping that someone will stop and listen? You see, in this modern world, you can expect to have a discussion if you really want to get the message across. Recall that the apostles also admonish you guys to have an answer for the questions you'll inevitably be asked.

i never mentioned anything about blabbing, i don't know where you pulled that out of. Sorry i do not recall the apostles admonishing anyone to have an answer for the questions they'll be asked. Kindly remind me.

If you Christians are already confused, what makes you think that you'll agree with what I have to say about it?

i'm not confused, thank God. You can also diligently search for yourself whether what is being said is what the Bible actually says, or you just want it to confirm your wish. No need to join yourself with the confused. Many atheists are also confused BTW. i remember Friedrich Nietzsche, the german atheist who was a very influential 'thinker', and probably many a atheist's mentor. He lived a confused, sad and sick life. He ended up in the assylum with his level of confusion. You should read up on him, or refresh yourself. i have to warn, his tale is not a very palatable one though.

Is Saul a seed or a person? What part of Jacob was Saul in? Was Saul literally in Jacob and his wife? Since without the woman, where would Saul have come from?

He was a seed then a person. Seeds become fruits and trees. Human beings are referred to as seeds of their ancestors.
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
Deu 1:8 Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD swore unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.
2Ki 17:20 And the LORD rejected all the seed of Israel, and afflicted them, and delivered them into the hand of spoilers, until he had cast them out of his sight.
Without seed in man, the man would not BEAR children.

So why did God allow religions other than Christianity to exist? The fact is that you're most likely to belong to the religion most commonly found in your environment. God knew this yet he decided to do nothing. After all, the Muslim believes what he believes as strongly as you do. If the Muslim cannot convince you to follow his religion, why should he be convinced by you?

People convert from various religions every other day. the choice is still yours. i verily doubt that you were born into an atheist family, you are a living proof that people can leave the religion they were born into i guess. It's not about God's decision, but it boils down to the individual's personal decision. It's sometimes called free will. Like i said, we are not all chanced to the same opportunities. It is important to take advantage with the chances/opportunities presented. There may be just one chance, and one goal in the whole match of life. If you lose your chance, you endanger your seed's chances too. that's how important it might boil down to. Some people, when they had the opportunity to study, travel, 'make it', build or buy property, they trifled with it. Years later, such opportunities didn't come again. All they have is tales, and children and family suffering because of the missed opportunities of their parent. And the circle may dangerously continue. one or two or all of the children may struggle or be encouraged to 'make it'. This is life, this is reality, it is the same way in spiritual things. Perhaps, your case is the opposite, surrounded by folks that pray for you, and wish you to be strong for God. It's your time, your opportunity. Some sheik's son is getting saved. Some babalawo's brother and daughter are coming to know the Lord. That is life, that's reality.

Goshen360: Your mind dirty too much. You need hyssop from dafidi to wash your mind. So na all kiss be mouth to mouth abi? What happened to holy kiss? No worry, the day I come 9ja and visit you, I go kiss your wife in front of you and wait for wetin you wan do... Again, unto him that is pure, all things are pure.

so it's not mouth to mouth? Is mouth to mouth not holi ni? dafidi hyssop would be seized by nafdac before it gets to me, I've got some blood though. so you want to promote fromfreely kissing an unmarried woman to kissing a married one? I need to put you on the prayer list.

Owoblowperfect: Well, since you asked. It is in his word that he has not give us the spirit of fear but of power, love and a sound mind. (2 Timothy 1:7) and i can do everything with Christ who strengths me (Philippians 4:13). Nothing is impossible with God! There is something called the reading anointing and when it comes on you, you won't even know when you finish a book. Actually, i might not even be able to explain his but i know it is possible!

i shall not die but live, Jesus Christ.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeee, THE READING ANOINTING!!!!
Jesus wept, i don die oh.

thehomer: Sheesh. You really like long replies.

Perhaps because you ask many questions at once? And its often characteristic of answers to be longer than questions. BTW, sorry for the late reply.

The Harry Potter books weren't written all at once neither were the Jason Bourne Books. The fact that it was released in series doesn't make it special. If all books are special, then the Bible has no unique claim to being special.

You miss the point, my point is not that it is special for any purpose. My point was/is that it was not written at once but written in series, step by step, in progression. We were talking about why some of its laws seemed contradictory, and i was showing you the phases and differing periods necessitating some change, like using the street road construct analogy.

Firstly, Jesus didn't talk about that. Secondly, if you agree that certain laws are to be discarded, why shouldn't the laws against homosexuality in the Bible be among them?

What sort of excuse is this? Is Hebrews not a book in the Bible? If it had contradictions, would you not consider it as part of the "word of God"? Now it answers your question, you are talking about what Jesus didn't talk about. You need some level of openness. Now, the Bible 'laws' are broadly subdivided into moral laws and ceremonial laws. Ceremonial laws have been done away with, fulfilled, replaced. Moral laws still hold. Ceremonial laws are those involving cleansing, washing, and trying to use religion to please God. The law on homosexuality is a moral law.

Where did the hand come from? If they were in space with no gravity, the shoes would float out.

The hand came from a human, duh. You can raise your hands and it would not be subject to gravity, at least not immediately. That's my point, that gravity is there, and the 'law of human life' is there. They are not contradicting one another in the sense, they are co-existing. It's the same way some of those Bible laws exist. It's not an exact science like say mathematics, where you always get the same thing. In life, you don't always get the same thing.

No, it doesn't violate the law of gravity. Countering the action of gravity isn't violating it. Violating it means that the plane somehow annuls the effects of gravity. So you can pick another example or just accept that "law" has various meanings.

It's the same thing. Countering and violating is simply contravening, disobedience, disregard as it were.

That is why I ask on what basis he makes these statements. If he says the Bible, well that isn't good enough because not all Nigerians are Christians neither are they the same type of Christians. So what we need is a more general principle on which to make this decision.

What is the more general principle? Disbelief in God? On what general principle are homos pushing for acceptance? Is he supposed to make godless statements so as to embrace a 'more general principle'?

No they're not limited to those passages but is there a part of the Bible where Jesus says those laws are to be thrown out? Go ahead and try to balance it. You have your work cut out for you.

It's not my work, it's your laziness. you are supposed to search the scriptures, and study to show yourself approved. My attempt to show you is only like drawing me back to what i have passed, in order to help you. It's already balanced to me. One more thing you need to know about the Bible is that it is God's manual to man. It is the design, showing how best man can and should live ON EARTH and in eternity. Most folks look at the scriptures with the lens of eternal judgement. Not every law and instruction has to do with heaven, hell and eternal judgement. Some laws are for you to live long, for your health, your happiness, for a better society. Some think oh, if i don't obey them, i am going to hell and whatever. Some laws are just not that important to your getting to the Kingdom. Now, on diets, compare
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tim 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

For slavery, compare the practical treatment of servants and slaves in the Bible as well. Don't just get fixated on the theory, the practical is also for you, and carries greater marks, as it were. Observe Abraham's relationship with his servants, and other men in the Bible that had servants or slaves, remembering that all things in the Bible are written for our learning. Also, see that there is no more special israel in that sense, hence your quoted passage is redundant.
Gala 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
On dressing, one, you do not understand the passage you quoted. Two, there are disputes on the interpretation of the verses. So, perhaps you can state what you think those passages mean, then i'll show you what to do about that, thanks.

They believed in an afterlife for those that God has picked but that the rest would simply die and that will be the end of it. No hell or eternal torture until Jesus showed up.

The last passage in your Bible quotes was referring to prophets. I still don't see anything there about an eternal punishment.

whatever, its a minor and i'm not arguing on that. Note however that the OT folks knew for sure of judgement for the wicked. Perhaps, they didn't know the intricacies and mode but they knew that there was a coming time when the wicked would be judged.
Pro 11:21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered.
Pro 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

So he gave the small town of Nineveh the chance to repent but he cannot give say the state of Lagos a chance?

Your chance is now, can't you see? Everytime you hear the message to repent, everytime your conscience convicts you, it is your chance to repent. There is so much chance for the world, there is now doubt if God/Jesus would close the chance-door and start judgement. When Jesus comes again, the chance of Lagos and the entire world would be up. There is time for everything. Don't miss the moment homer.

God himself couldn't make the entire world do that so he sent Noah and the flood which of course failed. Now, you're asking me to trust a being so powerful and knowledgeable that he failed at such tasks?

Don't really get your point on introducing Noe here. Anyways the flood was sent as a warning, not as a remedy. God never called it a remedy, He knows that sin is ingrained in every human's adamic nature. He procured the remedy/solution as far back as Genesis 3v15. The solution came in Christ. There is time for everything.

He failed so much that his best option is to deliberately create a torture chamber to torture most of the beings he loves for eternity? I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. When you love 100 people, you don't place them in a situation where you have to torture 99 of them forever.

You're getting it wrong, hell was created before Adam. It was actually initially created for the devil. i think Adam's race feel it is the more the merrier?
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
God is not going to torture the people that He loves, He is going to take those ones to heaven. Love is reciprocal you know, you have to reciprocate God's love for you by loving Him back. We're talking about dwelling with Him for all of eternity here. That He even gives us a chance is enough love, He had nothing to lose, we did.

Again, what Jesus did was a simple sacrifice not a difficult one. That is my point.

Its only simple on perspective. You cannot give what you do not have you know? It's every easy to deposit 1trillion dollars. Its perhaps the same deposit slip that is needed, the real point is how many people have 1trillion dollars to deposit?

I didn't say his resurrection was a payment for sins. My point is that if I knew that I would be resurrected if I died for my family, I would be happy to do it and I won't even consider it a major sacrifice just an inconvenience.

Like i shown you, you need to have money before you can think of paying a debt. No man was found able or worthy to pay the debt for sins. Only Jesus was worthy, sufficient. The debt was already paid before the resurrection. The resurrection is the addition, the hope of humanity. Christ's death settled the debt. It made the believer a forgiven debtor. The resurrection gave us victory over physical death and hope of living in eternity and perpetual victory with God. Clearing your debt is not the same as making you the richest man. That's like the difference between Christ's death and resurrection.

God decided the consequences were no longer needed for Nineveh why didn't he do that for the whole world? Why should the whole world have to be punished together when he can simply declare that people born in Lagos State would be born without sin?

You are not reading what the narrative says. The people of Nineveh repented. They decided. When and if the whole world repents and decides, God is faithful and just to equally forgive. Nineveh could have acted up like Sodom, or the people in Noah's days, or like the Egyptians. They repented. Why are you refusing to see that?
1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Nineveh was pro-active, why are you not? Hear is the narrative again, i will embold some portion for you.
Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Did you choose your nature (not your actions)? Couldn't God have made this sinful nature non-genetic? Physical possessions can be inherited but they're not necessarily passed from parent to offspring.

i didn't choose my nature as i am not the first man. But i can clearly CHANGE my nature, and so can you. It's called repentance and believing on the Lord Jesus. God made Adam with ability to produce of his kind, its called reproduction. Adam should have chosen the godly and obedient nature. i'm not interested in blaming him, i'm pro-active. You can continue to choose to blame Adam, or God, or anyone else. And you can choose to work on the solution graciously provided.

Oh now he will have mercy on just any random person. Yet he's the one that cannot break his own rules but here, you're saying he can break it whenever he likes. This is just your God being inconsistent then. You should look at what I'm doing as pointing out the inherent inconsistencies within the Christian doctrine rather than me trying to get right with your God.

It's not random mercy, i quoted a condition to you, see it again. Don't miss it this time.
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Learn to read the fine print, the terms and conditions. When He says "I will have mercy on WHO I will have mercy", the logical thing to find out is WHO? The Bible states who. God will have mercy on babies, mercy on those that confess and forsake their sins etc. If you meet the conditions, you get the mercy, whosoever you may be. Mercy is not limited to a certain race, nationality, gender or class. God can give His mercy to anybody.
Psa 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Ecc 8:4 Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?

The "Great Commission" was for them to preach his gospel. The apostles and others tell them to defend the faith but those Christians run from it all. How isn't that disobedience?

The great commission is not the same as answering every question asked by everybody. The commision is to preach the goodnews. Jesus Himself was not busied into answering every comment and debating every issue. His followers should not be goaded otherwise. They are encouraged instead to use their discretion, and the leading of the Spirit of God.
Mat 26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Luk 23:8 And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.
Luk 23:9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.
Mat 27:12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
Mat 27:13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Mat 27:14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marveled greatly.
Mat 21:27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

And that is why there are so many denominations and so much confusion in Christianity. I've read the scriptures and as Christians keep demonstrating, you can read into it anything you want.

You can also diligently search for yourself whether what is being said is what the Bible actually says, or you just want it to confirm your wish.

It is figurative because the man called Saul was not in the man called Jacob. If you disagree, what part of Jacob was Saul in? A man cannot literally be in their own grandfather. Please take the time to look at what it means to say that something is figurative and another is literal. e.g when Babylon is referred to as a LovePeddler, does it mean that Babylon actually is a LovePeddler?

Oga, it is not figurative but literal. The seed is in the man. If the man is impotent, there will be no descendant, simple. We were all in Adam.

But how about the Muslims and Hindus? What are they to do? Their children are already condemned because God allowed them to be born at the wrong place.

Nobody is born in the wrong place. Our opportunities vary, but we all have to take advantage of that opportunity. It's like saying a poor man's kid can never be rich, or vice versa. Being born with a silver spoon is not always a guarantee as i have shown you. And yes, our parents can negatively influence our destinies. Your father may have a chance at hearing the gospel and getting 'rich', a chance he can use to turn your family's future. He can also waste the chance, and cause you unneeded hardship. Meditate on the analogy. God bless you.

does the op not know that he easily fits the picture of the religious elite, with a lot of 'experience', head knowledge and denominational first handism and doctrinal rigmarole?
BTW, Its never okay to be a sinner, especially an unrepentant one. Jesus wasn't dining and befriending unrepentant blasphemous sinners.

high

like eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
read James 3 on devilish wisdom/knowledge.

add making out to the list. a friend is teaching that if your mind is pure,whatever that means, making out with one you're not married to is alright.

Logicboy03: @ bold; Gay. I am not your child/boy.


You dont answer a question with a question. Try again

sweetie, who told you that you don't answer a question with a question, why are you under bondage darling?

Logicboy03: Go and sleep. You confuse a question with an answer.


Either that, or you are playing foolish

a question can be an answer to a question my love. Try to think, yes you can.

Logicboy03: I asked yuou a question.....does psalm 14 apply to Bill Gates and Seun?

And i gave an answer. i love you, and does psalm 14 apply to you?

Goshen360: @ Bella3,

Na wha for u o. There're scriptures clearly against immorality and premarital s.ex. Now, I said to kiss someone the OP "might" intend to marry is not a sin because if the heart of the OP is 'pure' and nothing further is intended in the heart, how then does such kiss become a sin?

a mouth to mouth?

Logicboy03: Why do you hate me?

Anyways, does psalm 14;1 apply to Seun and Bill gates?

i love you, at least more than i love tbj. What do you think of psalm 14, does it apply to you?

ijawkid: Who invent kiss sef??......

Labaran Jonathan, thank me later.

Goshen360: ^
Why you run comot from the other thread? Because I say I wan ask you question?

Anyway, as regards you demand for clarification, my answer is - to him that is pure, all things are pure. You still want further clarification?

This is more unclear, meanwhile your tithe debt is accumulating you'll need that accountant.

can you guys please practice what you preach or at least be man enough to preach what you practice? It's getting nauseating, the phariseeism.

Affiliated: Cool story

it's actually a song my dear. Observe the moral of the song.

Goshen360: ^
No, it's not a sin.

can you be clearer oga?

Logicboy03: 2012 was a landmark year on Nairaland religion section where atheists really came out of the woodwork.

Many religious people got to know atheists very well and so, I want to know what the religious people now think about atheists?

ignorant op who thinks life revolves around him. atheism has been popular and perhaps more sanely expressed on the forum since almost its inception. I've known atheists very well since like forever. There is no change, compare psalm 14, no change.

The moral man came to the
judgment,
but self righteous rags would not
do;
the men who had crucified Jesus
had passed off as moral men, too;
the soul that had put off salvation,
“Not tonight; I’ll get saved by and
by,
no time now to think of religion!”
at last they had found time to die.
Refrain
And O, what a weeping and
wailing,
as the lost were told of their
fate;
they cried for the rocks and the
mountains,
they prayed, but their prayer
was too late

Goshen360: ^
I understand you my brother. I'm convinced from scriptures (Hebrews 7) that tithe is abolished and ended for Christians. Off course, I'm not gonna throw the water away with the baby but the issue of tithing for Christians is clearly cancelled in scripture if we must be sincere. Do you mind if I show you from scripture (Hebrews 7) where tithing was abolished?

you no dey get bored with this your malinterpretation?

CFCfan: T.B. Joshua only encouraged the team; he wasn't in any way, the sole reason for the win.

how did he encourage the team? I clearly recall sports analysis, politicians and journalists encourage the team, also the fans and supporters. Were other teams not encouraged?

Ajifaransete: Some spend their lives criticising people of God, i wonder what will be their gain.

it's not about God but about tb and onazi.

I'm missing something here, what exactly did TB do? who are all these petty people?

plaetton: Hhhhmmm.
So you admit that righteousness can exist with out the acceptance of Jesus and the bible?

the principles, yes. Like kindness, honesty, hardwork, helping the less privileged, integrity, peace making etc. But righteousness itself as a quality indispensable to the Kingdom of God is only accessible in Christ Jesus.

40000 books! even bookshop no get reach 40000 different books, not considering the shallowness of each book.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Candour: let it be on record that Dipland just registered today(4th Feb 2013) all for the purpose of commenting on this topic.This necessisated owobloperfect to logout so as to create space for another clone of fireman to continue the propaganda.

with the way the clown is proliferatin himself on one workstation,i might just believe he's actually sent from 'god' because its 'miraculous'

hmmm the hustler no dey tire

hahaha, na wonders fill their bbody. Reading 40000 books and opening nl accounts.

i think onazi is as petty as TB if he said that. What has he achieved BTW that most are screaming about here?
if he had mentioned oyedepo or oyaks now, most of you would be screaming MOG worship, now its TB and no one must say a word against? If he wants to thank TB, he should go and thank him at home or something. What happened to "I love you God" or Jesus? Would most people not be drawn to that instead? is he the only one in the team or in life that has been helped by a fellow man? what he did was uncalled for and petty.