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Olaa mr.Ravi, well-done oh, we dey hail.

Logicboy03: Foolish troll. You stopped commenting when you didnt receive attention eh?

hahaha you were begging me to leave you, you sounded close to tears. Try to remember, you can do it.

striktlymi: Okay! Agreed!

lucky you. i think my post targets the opinions of baby12, enylov and co.

striktlymi: ^^^

Good morning Image123,

I hope you are not saying that exempting children from something makes that thing bad and displeasing to God?

I'm saying comparing cigarettes to coca-cola is uneven.

and all these is somehow a God that doesn't exist's fault?

of course, God created good and evil na, didn't the Bibleli say that?

BTW, emotion and reality operate freely without reason.

Sabbath was before the law? learner mode activated.

can you give a child coca-cola? can you give a child cigarettes? There's a world of difference in the two.
can you offer coca-cola at a reception? can you offer cigarettes at a reception? why paint the idea that they're basically the same?

too long @op. can someone summarize? where's plap BTW, this looks like stuff she enjoys yarning.

#op
no, the child of God should not work there. the money is not a major determinant. Pushing cocaine and soft p.orn are also lucrative for some.

this is a high level of ignorance in display here, people punctuating their ideas with Bible verses, using errors against error.

you missed the definitions.

frosbel: I perceive where you are coming from , but will keep mute for now.

I leave you in the hands of capable others for the sake of thread sanity.

laugh wan turn my chinko phone to iPhone.

look at what the likes of TB has tried to reduce God and Christianity to. a false prophet would always turn the heart of the people from God, beware.

but this is unfrair. there are more nigerians from art and commercial class.

deebrain: And the brother does his stuff again. Only looking for the holes, so that u can sing yr boring songs of judgement. Why call mr frosbel a hypocrite?...Cant u read the lines and know when a person makes a mistake?

oh you saw it too! in all things, i give thanks to God.

but some are more equal than others.
what happens to existing accounts?

Zikkyy: Not yet but that will not stop me from suspecting you na

suspect no more, you're conversing with St. Image123 N.D, N.S, N.T (no drinking, no smoking, no tattooing).

Zikkyy: @image123, am begining to suspect you smoke marijuana o! cos your posts these days appears to have been influenced by something beyond your control

do you work with the Nigerian Police Force?

frosbel: Plenty work for me to do here, I will be back

why not sit back on this one, you might actually gain something.

woah, just went through anukulapo's last post and they are indeed, words on marble.
katakatalupopo, i feel like speaking in tongues mehn. no wonder those guys from J's church almost lose control when their Pastor starts greeking them(if u know what i mean). lol.

an hypocrite just typed ETERNAL judgment and denied it in the next sentence. Did anybody see that?

iyah! see as what tithe things join together, tattoo and marijuana wan put asunder for hia. o ma se ooooo!
it will be well

Goshen360: My dear Brother, this is the same thing other Christian brothers are trynna tell you on the other thread: Why many Christians fall for false doctrines. The Bible wasn't originally written in English; it was translated INTO English and other available languages.

Did i at any time say that the Bible was originally written in english?

In the course of translation, some translators "might" loose the original meaning of words and hence, there is need for finding meaning to "uncertain and unsure" words and parallel it within the context. This will do a lot of good than harm. anukulapo accused of puffing of in knowledge the other time. How does one apply or do the word he or she doesn't know or understand? Certainly, there will be wrong application.

Most times scriptures interprete scriptures. Study the scriptures, search the scriptures. have the Spirit. You'd hardly lose your way. The point, the simple and straight point i emphasized on the thread you referred to is that Sheol is an Hebrew word, Hell is an English word, and Hades is a greek word. And that they three can safely be paralleled. Your other brethren couldn't come to grips with that. Many English speakers know and are familiar to an extent of the word 'Hell'. But your brothers want it to be 'Hades'. According to you as i just quoted, How does one apply or do the word he or she doesn't know or understand? Certainly, there will be wrong application. It is this your opinion that i was telling them oh.

THEREFORE, YES, we NEED study materials or aids to better understand the text; of course in conjunction with the SPIRIT of TRUTH. That's what separate the truth from error, by examining the text in its original language. We're only showing the links so as to be transparent in our teaching because here is a public forum.

What we need is God's Spirit. Ask the pharisees, they understand greek and hebrews and remain in darkness.

I was only using the "FOR" and "AS" as covering INTERCHANGEABLY in my "own" words when I replied anukulapo. I never meant it to be changed to "AS", the word in KJV is "FOR" and Ubenedictus also confirmed the concordance translates it "FOR a covering". It's very simple, go to the Greek meaning of "FOR" as used in the context of 1 Cor. 11:15. Here you have it,

"FOR" as used in that context, in English is a preposition. In Greek it is the word "anti" and means,

1) over against, opposite to, before

2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
a) instead of
b) for
c) for that, because
d) wherefore, for this cause.

Note the bolded 'd' part of your definitions, that's the little point i'm bringing up and hoping not to be slapped from behind. The original says 'FOR' as against 'AS'. That is perhaps the key difference you are missing in your interpretation of that verse.

I will also like to stir you up to challenge you with this scripture though it's not relevant to this topic but just to let you see the need (if you can) for word study in Greek and Hebrew.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26

New Living Translation (©2007)
"If you want to be my disciple, you must hate everyone else by comparison--your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even your own life. Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.

Oh my God! Are you telling me Christ gave a condition for me to HATE everyone else even my father and mother in order to follow him? Christ must be preaching hatred then. Kindly check the meaning to the word "HATE" as used in this context. That is when the beauty of scriptures come out alive to you.

i never needed any study aid to understand that verse. A study of the Bible would give us the full picture, and Jesus' context. that's why i usually emphasize a cumulative learning, instead of selective or isolated. Anyone who knows Jesus knows what He means in that verse. You don't exactly need a greek or hebrew dictionary to know that Jesus wants to take number 1 position and priority as against any other person ot thing. Also, the verse would so much contradict all other scripture on love for instance. You don't need to possess aids to figure that out. i'm not against aids, i have them and even use them. i'm against glorifying them or putting them forward as the solution. They are not, actually they are more of the confusion than the solution.

debosky: Stop comparing a learned trait to a (disputed) basic orientation - your parents didn't teach you to like women, so it is quite preposterous to compare that to stealing.

my parents neither taught me how to steal nor to be an homosexual. i do not get your point. Homosexuality is a sin, stealing is a sin, they are comparable.

UnderDaRadar: I'm sorry, I didn't know u cud train/un-train sexual orientation and of cos this all now makes perfect sense ...it's the fault of the 'irresponsible' parents all over the world that their kids turned out different from the norm. Has nothing to do with the fact that its etched in their DNA. There is no running away from reality. Instead of people here throwing stones and abusing sth they don't understand why not preach LOVE and TOLERANCE just as The Lord Jesus Christ advocated for. If ur looking at the Old ways of the law from the Old Testament we shud all also be championing the slaughter of sheep to please God, the rule against women wearing trousers, the law against women pastors, the law against sea food like shrimps and lobsters, fornication, pornography and also did u know according to the old testament if u masturbate u have displeased God greatly. The Bible was once used to justify slavery of Africans and God didn't come down from Heaven to stop it, it took the bravery of a few humans to fight for the rights of Black people and end slavery and also the rights of Women.

well, now you know that you can train/untrain sexual information. Information is power. i know of a girl who was never a lesbo for more than 20yrs heterosexual, until she was introduced to lesbo friends in school after she travelled abroad. her orientation changed, she was re-trained.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
And vice versa.
i never attributed fault to anyone, i only gave suggestions on how you can responsibly train up your nephew. Sin is etched in every human's dna. The tendency to do wrong is there, but you can be trained and disciplined to the extent of good manners and acceptable/even godly behaviour. Responsibility is reality, be a responsible uncle and parent, train and correct others instead of facing the reality of having natural thieves, r.apists, murderers, criminals, homos etc.
Who doesn't undrstand homosexuality? Saying it is bad is not the same as throwing stones. Jesus never tolerated sin. He mingled and dined with REPENTANT sinners(of any kind of sin). He wasn't fumbling around and being politically correct with folks that wanted to REMAIN prosti.tutes, thieves, homosexu.als, murderers etc. Jesus hated sin
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.

thehomer: Obviously, you're the one being insincere because the person I responded to clearly said that all sins were inborn. Have you corrected that person before coming to me? First take the log out of your friend's eye before coming to see me.

Sin is inborn in the sense that all humans are born as sinners. We are sinners by default. no one was born as a saint or as a christian. Everyone needs to be born AGAIN. So, the nature and tendency to sin is already in the man/woman. That's what is implied by inborn. It's like a land growing weed by nature.

thehomer: So as a Christian, will you kill your children for changing their religious beliefs? Will you kill anyone you identify to be a witch or a homosexual? Dp you mix the fabric that you wear? By your reasoning, disobeying any of these commands means you're not a Christian.



Even when the Christian steals, lies, cheats, bears false witness or performs any of the numerous evil acts that they do?

No, i wouldn't kill my children for changing their religious belief. i wouldn't accept that he/she did the right thing either. the same Bible that says to kill also says to have mercy. i choose to reconcile the two parts instead of believing just the one that suits my agenda like you have done. In the Old testament, an adulterer and an idolater was killed without mercy, but in the new testament, the adulterer and the idolater is given a chance to repent. the concept is popularly called grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Note that the mercy or grace has an expiry date. God is not now condoning the sin, if the person does not repent, he/she will be punished by God after death.

A christian is not supposed to commit sin. IF a christian sins, he is no more in spotless white. he needs to repent of his sin.

deebrain: Its supposed to be the other way-U HAVE A PROBLEM. True u started well until when that thing that used to worry u started again in yr responses to Pastor Kun and Truthislight....

What is there to say "OK NOTED (and with some courtesy u can add) THANKS" even if with the available objective points given, u still dont agree. Why resort to the known attitude of making the person feel he lacks understanding of God and scripture? Debo's point that got me tripping is "what really is a christians business with issues of hell"? I thought we are after heaven-TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM U THAT WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE BURN..

yada yada, your spinning nonsense. kunle was lying on me, how you can't see that is well, it's you. Only Ubenedictus was humble enough to acknowledge that.

deebrain: @Image123

U are always in frosbel's threads to seek trouble. U deserve a good RKO.

you have a problem. what debo said is what I've been saying all through the thread, but since Image123 is the one saying it, you and your folks must oppose it. I hope debo can share his view on hell and Sheol, perhaps you'll see then. bigoted fellows

people listening to grail? its January 24, 2013 i suppose.