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useless testimonies, they don't even deserve that name. Folks are sharing testimonies of salvation from sin, overcoming temptation, wroughting righteousness, exceeding grace, standing up for Jesus, patience in tribulation, divine help, miracle and healing etc. Others are here glorifying poor financial management. You guys keep harping about giving more than 10% and even 100%. But your stories are tales of bitterness and great strain at giving away 10%. Giving out 10% is a burden and shackle for you but you're boasting of virtual reality giving to the poor. I'd have asked who is deceiving you, but i know. devil is deceiving you.

musKeeto: Another useless quote. Please, what's everlasting life?

If one ends up in hell or heaven, there would be everlasting life either ways, not so?

The Bible doesn't consider life outside God as life. It is death. i was dead in sins like the prodigal son until i received eternal life.

I've only told you the truth that many other of your Christian friends would not sincerely tell you because of political correctness. i don't know you and I'm not happier that you're going to hell. You think I'd be a true Christian if i didn't tell you where you were headed? The blame is on you and your parents.

nep2ra: All these bible quotations just to gloat over me while you salivate in your blood lust. Shame on you! If this is how you think you can convert me, you have failed massively. Jesus is not proud of you. You can hang your head in shame.
Go and face the Muslims let them tell you what will happen to your sorry Christian soul when you face Allah on Judgement Day.

The quotations show you that Jesus will put you in hell, you'll wish you were never born. You must be deluded to assume every Christian wants to convert you. Heaven is not by force, and like Oyedepo told your sibling, "you are free to go to hell".

foolishness remains bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it FAR from him. They need the Gospel in that community.

nep2ra: Hahahahahahahahahaha...Ouch! I touched a nerve. That must hurt.

Jesus WILL NOT put me in hell. He's not as vindictive and petty as you are. Which hell are you talking about? The one your strange religion invented or the one in your nightmares? Repent exactly of what? Repent from not believing the poo you believe and you think that is enough for Jesus to put me in hell. You see your life?

See yourself, you do not know Jesus. Read up.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

thehomer: Tried not to feel attracted to people of the same sex. Do you think that talking to a homosexual would make you start feeling attracted to people of the same sexual orientation?

Yep, they didn't try enough. there are folks who fell into homosexuality and repented of it. Their trial was with the help of God though. they asked God/Jesus to help them, and today, they are free. i know that living with, hanging out with, and watching sinners can make one attracted to doing the same sin. Sin can be enticing, and we are warned not to consent. not all sin, infact, not many sins are repulsive to all. Sin is enticing.
Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.
1Corinth 15v33(ASV) Be not deceived: Evil companionships corrupt good morals.

(BBE) Do not be tricked by false words: evil company does damage to good behaviour.

(CEV) Don't fool yourselves. Bad friends will destroy you.

You're just repeating yourself. Can God have mercy on thehomer the way he currently is? If he can, then you're wrong by talking about fulfilling some conditions.

observe the passage below.
Exo 33:15 And he said unto him, If thy presence go not with me, carry us not up hence.
Exo 33:16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
Exo 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
Exo 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, show me thy glory.
Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Moses was asking God for a favour based on Israel's 'specialness'. And to paraphrase what God told moses, He said " Moses, I will answer you, but I will have mercy on who I will. mercy is not only for Israel. God's mercy is clearly conditional. Read the fine print. Quoting scriptures in isolation with disregard for other scripture will only lead to your confusion. Except you are not interested in understanding of course.

Jesus wasn't being asked the reason for his hope. Are you seriously saying that the only question you can answer is "What is the reason for your hope"? Come on get serious. In Acts 6:9, Stephen was debating.

Did i at any point state that Jesus was being asked the reason of His hope, or you are springing up your fallacies again? I have answered tens of your questions(perhaps you may not like the answers, that's another issue). I cannot believe that you are asking me if the only question i can answer is "What is the reason for your hope"? Re-read what i said, perhaps you might understand it this time. Stephen was debating, and i've been singing all this pages or what? i've shown you with many scriptural examples that you cannot blackmail any christian into answering every one of your questions by quoting some misconstrued verse. i can decide to avoid you at my discretion. So says the Bible, and so shows jesus my perfect example.

Christians themselves disagree on the Bible so who can be said to be more confused than them? They disagree so much that they've formed thousands of splinter groups. Again, what does Nietzsche have to do with anything? A number of intelligent people have ended up in asylum and some who deserved to be there weren't put in. Why not address the confusion of Christianity that is right before you rather than introducing an irrelevant issue?

The point is that confusion doen't stop at the door of one sect. Every sect has their own confusions. nobody is omniscient but God. Atheists show even more confusion. Nietzsche is an epitome of confusion, have you read his story. Wiki is your friend. he is a role model to many serious atheists. Is your role model irrelevant? He is confusion personified.

Is the seed the man? That is what I've been asking you. And can this seed become the man without the woman? Where was Saul before his father and mother had intercourse? Was he in both of them or in his father alone? Stop trying to evade the question. I won't let you.

And i have been telling you that the seed is the man. the seed doesn't become the man without the woman, just like the seed cannot become the tree on its own. Have you any sense of agriculture? Saul was in his fathers loins. I already answered you, you seem to be making great efforts at evading the answer.

God is to be blamed if he says that someone's eternity depends on what they believe here on earth yet when they're most vulnerable, he deliberately places them in places where they'll get the wrong information.

The whole earth is filled with wrong information. Pastors and Bishops children can be atheists. i think Nietzsche was the child of a pastor, so also were some of todays superstar sinners. My father was no pastor. Your father doesn't have to be rich for you to be rich, and vice versa. Their state may influence, but nobody is limited to that except, USUALLY, if you choose to be limited. People are getting Bibles, messages, discussions(like ou are getting), TV messages etc, and they are doing nothing about it.
Mat 21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
Mat 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Mat 21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

thehomer: If they're all special, then telling me the Bible is special doesn't really add much to the discussion. If God changed those laws, then how do you know that he hasn't changed the law against homosexuality?

i said perhaps. Do you know the meaning of 'perhaps'? Like i said earlier, my point was not on the Bible being a special book, you were the one who decided to dwell on its specialness. You are free to back-read. i talked about 'changed' laws, the inverted commas represent something, they are not meaningless or decoration. Like i've stated there are different forms and levels of laws. There are simple one time instructions like stretch your rod, or circle the town. there are some instructions that are simple for our present state on earth, and there ae some with eternal consequences. You may just group them all as laws. They are all to be observed in context and to see if they still apply. The law of God against homosexuality is a moral law and still applies. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, An abomination TO God remains an abomination. It doesn't change.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
It is also repeated in the NT for emphasis with the clause of eternal judgement.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

No, you have an issue with expression. You were implying that God divided the laws into moral and ceremonial laws in the same way that the Bible is divided into chapters and verses. The problem is that you're yet to show where God divided the laws into moral and ceremonial laws on the other hand, we know that the Bible's division into chapters and verses was done by men. You didn't answer on diet and the Sabbath. You simply said they were moral laws. You're the one to say what moral laws are since you're the one saying that God divided the laws in some way.

The division into chapters and verses is not esoteric, it is already inherent. The paragraphs and spaces are already there and any other person would probably do the same division or similar. It's the same way that the laws are broadly divided. moral laws deal with right or wrong, ceremonial laws deal with cleansing of sin. Most of the laws are easily put under any of this two. the ceremonial is already fulfilled and no more necessary. the moral is still obtainable. Not forgetting that some laws are not of eternal/hell damning consequences even if disobeyed. Some are just for humans to live and co-exist in the best way. like instructions in a manual to help enjoy a product and make it last long. You asked if the diet and sabbath laws are moral laws, and i said yes they are. Moral laws are laws that specify what is right or wrong, what is good or bad. they tell the proper thing and just thing to do.

If your analogies are irrelevant or simply fail in the crucial point being attempted, then it is your failure in passing across the relevant information.Your failure in self expression.

At all. it's the classic case of the unserious student who failed, blaming his teacher. Others passed. You're not the first person i've used analogies with. There are others who grasp, get a lesson teacher perhaps.

I showed you the principle. It is right in what you quoted me as saying. Again, I said it is rooted in this natural world that we all have access to. Can you show that all humans have access to the supernatural? The mere fact that you can type what you've typed on a computer of some sort means that you and I have access to this natural world. Can you show me the supernatural?

You and a minority are the ones that seem to have access to this principle you speak of. The supernatural like the name suggests is SUPERnatural. The spiritual realm is visible to any one that believes. in that realm, believing is usually seeing. In the natural realm, seeing is usually believing. You and every human can choose to believe or disbelieve.

You didn't answer my question but I'll answer yours. Please don't forget to answer my question. Recall that you were the one who quoted the Bible passage in Hebrews I was referring to there. As far as I know, God didn't write the letter to the Hebrews.

And what book did God write? The average christian takes the whole Bible as the Word of God, you can choose to keep playing tombo. Where you seem to see God in a wicked form or inhuman form or unbelievable(miraculous) form, it is God, but where God's Word answers you, its not God, right.

Come on. This isn't what I asked you for. I asked you to show me where God himself or Jesus as his spokes man said they had changed the dietary laws? Do you think Jesus ate pork? You're showing me Paul's letter to Timothy. Are Paul's letters more highly placed than God's words to Moses?

And what book did God write? The average christian takes the whole Bible as the Word of God, you can choose to keep playing tombo. Where you seem to see God in a wicked form or inhuman form or unbelievable(miraculous) form, it is God, but where God's Word answers you, its not God, right.

Doubt all you want. The fact that in the passage you quoted, he ended it with "for ye are all one in Christ Jesus". Check Ephesians 6:5. You really should be more familiar with your Bible.

Here is the fact, the Leviticus passage talks about special treatment for an Israelite different from the treatment meted to a gentile in same circumstances. The Galatians passage says there is no such distinction again. Wake up, we are in the new testament era.
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
i see no slave in this passage, except you mean to say that servants are slaves. In that case there is no abolition of slavery anywhere as there are servants all over the place. i'm a servant BTW.

Come on. Don't be lazy. Show me your interpretation. Unless you think your words are written in the Bible or that I can read your mind, I think you should hold up your own part of the bargain.

i've told you already that the two passages are relevant . All you are interested in is arguing on whatever my interpretation will be.

Then show you're right. Merely saying it doesn't make it so.

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You met Jesus? Wow. What did he look like? What station was he on? Did he give any interviews in English, Yoruba or Aramaic? Sure he would have talked about living in fish. Who wouldn't talk about that? Heard that from who? If I believed every fantastic story I was told, then I would probably be worshiping every God I ever heard about.

he looked like the Saviour of the world. He was on the pages of the scripture. He spoke plainly in English. He told me to tell you that He died for you. You are very sure that Jonah spoke about living in the fish. You have a lot of misguided faith. the Bible is very plain about his message.
Jon 3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
Jonah was a servant of God, and servants of God speak what God tells them to, not what they want to.
Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
You have heard about Jesus, about Peter, about Paul, about Abraham, about david. Nineveh only heard about being destroyed in 40days. you have a complete Bible, you've heard more than 40days of preaching, you have no excuse.

Hey. You're the one presenting the quotes. It looks as if you've still failed to understand why I brought up Noah and the flood. God flooded the earth to wipe out evil on earth. You presented 2 Peter as a claim that it was actually a warning but right there in Genesis where supposedly God was talking, he said it was a warning. Are you now telling me that Peter is allowed to second guess God?

God did not flood the earth to wipe out evil on the earth. He flooded it to destroy the people. He knew the heart of men was desperately wicked. He knew all men were defected. Your claims have no scripture backing. 2 Peter shows us that the flood and every other judgement is a warning, should serve as a warning to every generation that follows or hears. Where in Genesis did God say that th flood was a warning?
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Noah survived because he made an attempt at righteousness. he made an attempt at believing God.

So if someone is baptized, is it possible for them to still tell a lie? It was you who quoted a passage talking about it to me. Have you forgotten so soon?

As long as we are in the world, no man is too holy above temptation or tests. So there is a possibility of passing the test or failing the test. But do not deliberately fail, or stay in failure. Sorry, i sincerely do not recall qouting a passage about God sanctifying all creation, at least not in the context of being a child of God and being a child of the devil. kindly remind me.

I brought it up to make the point that it was easy.

And what is the point of it being easy when you can't do it?

I'm talking about the God of the Bible. The one that says he loves everyone but does nothing to help them when he can. That isn't a faithful God.

The God of the bible says He is a faithful God. he also says that the soul that sins will die. He also told Adam that he would die if he disobeyed God. He also said that there is no other way given among men for salvation except Jesus. The One that said whosoever will let him come. he is the One that promised rest o everyone who comes. You can't help someone by force. Like they say, you can force the horse to the stream but cannot force it to ddrink water. God so loved that He gave. He has given, it is left for you to receive. He is God, not man.

If you believe just anything "some folks" say, then you're just looking to get scammed. Some folks say that Mohammed is the last prophet, some folks say that Jesus went to the U.S after flying away in Jerusalem. Some folks say that zombies roamed the city when Jesus died. Who are we to believe?

Some folks say that there is no God. Some folks say God is wicked. Are we to believe them? you ran from the point of the quote as is customary. Jesus coming every 33years to die is not what will make people believe in Him. Some folks lived when He came and crucified Him. Some folks saw His miracles and didn't believe but betrayed Him. Some folks watched the resurrection live but were paid not to believe. God has spoken once, you had better pay attention for your own good.

nep2ra: I don't see what point you are trying to make. Jesus would be disappointed with your behaviour on this forum. Let me use someone closer to home. Paul the Apostle would be highly disappointed if he heard you arguing about your faith this way. Study the epistles of Apostle Paul and see how fine arguments are passed across with such intellectual dexterity. You on the other a hand, a self-professed Christian... SMH

you don't know Jesus. He's going to put you in hell fire if you do not repent. It would be better you were never born.

Logicboy03: Does that mean that christians will avoid this thread?

I guess they should, as their posts might be hidden like mine was.

oops, seems the truth worried many nerves. Well meditate on that.

nep2ra: Isn't Jesus as popular as Buddha, Zoroaster, Mohammed, Confucius, Lao Tzu, e.tc

is he? Do you know what He would do and what He would not? If yes, on what base?

Ze life of ze average atheist revolves around Christianity and religion, who iz fooling who?

nep2ra: Even Jesus wouldn't talk this way. Clap for yourself.

oh you know Jesus?

oriki is a Yoruba word BTW.

Zikkyy: did you read me asking for tithe? i said it will cost you 10% of your annual salary wetin concern tithe for this matter?

haaaaaaaaaaaa the love of money! it can make one call tithe oriki.

Why did the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Unbelievers, please stop throwing tantrums, there will be enough time for that in hell. Spend your time here wisely. Useless children of rich Christian parents, most of them would not appreciate if God had favoured them with barrenness.

Zikkyy: you don't know anything Jesus no dey pay tithe. what he did was to cancel the Jewish tithing practice. you need to come for 2 weeks crash program on bible knowledge at our church (with evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 in charge ), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary

chei so you want to collect tithe but you don't want to give ba? if i don't know anything, at least i know how you feel talking about tithes.

Zikkyy: where you read this one? paid tithe to who?

i read it from each of you, abi tithe is not under the law again ni?

Zikkyy: am sure if Jesus show for your house today, you go ask am the same question. This your obsession with tithe don become something else

i don't need to ask Him. i thought you guys teach that Christ has paid tithes already.

why is frosb stammering na? is he afraid? is he owing tithes?

have you given your tithe?

where did your comprehension go? The cartoon shows the folly of separating from the OT. The OT is the root, the foundation. It is unwise to run away with only the cross.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Goshen360: This is the least of things I ever expected from you. Even your very own cartoon supports what we've been telling you since the beginning of this thread.

thehomer: Well, obviously many gay people have tried and failed, many priests have tried and failed so according to you, they didn't try hard enough I guess. Do you think that if you met prostitute friends, ran abroad to make money, went to a hostel or was exposed to pornography, you could have become gay? What a joke.

i don't understand what you mean by 'tried'. Tried what? i'm in christ Jesus, and shielded but need to be careful still. Evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Again, you're putting words into God's mouth and into the Bible. You're in danger of increasing your punishment. God said he'll have mercy on whoever he wants. You're saying it is only on those who meet certain requirements. Are you now the one telling God who he will have mercy on?

Actually, you are the one choosing to misunderstand God's words. Check the passage(initial) and check the context. Moses was asking God for a favour based on Israel's 'specialness'. And to paraphrase what God told moses, He said " Moses, I will answer you, but I will have mercy on who I will. mercy is not only for Israel. god can have mercy on thehomer, his case is not hopeless. but thehomer needs to fulfill the conditions given for mercy.

You Christians that don't know your Bible and turn to non-believers to help you. I shake my head. Anyway, take a look at 1 Peter 3:15.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
i don't see anything in this passage telling anyone to give an answer for the questions they'll be asked. It says to be READY always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you. Jesus is the reason of the hope that is in me. If you ask me the reason of the hope i have, i will gladly and meekly tell you that it is Jesus. He is the One that put the sugar in my tea. You have clearly tried to twist this passage to mean that the christian must answer every question/number of questions that every thehomer and harry presents to him. NO! i already showed you the example[b]s[/b] of christ, and how He was conspicuosly silent and answered nothing sometimes when asked many questions.
Joh 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer.
Joh 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?

Let me show you other scriptures that plainly allow christians to ignore you.
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed:
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.

Read the fineprint.

I've checked and I'm telling you. I'm also telling you that your fellow Christians don't even believe the way you do yet you're asking me to turn to the source of their confusion (the Bible) for answers? I don't know what Nietzsche has to do with anything I've said here.

The Bible is not the source of anyone's confusion as you have displayed. Many like you, have not sat down to thoroughly consider and understand the things that are written, they have refused to believe the things that are written but have only held on to parts that SEEM To support what they want. Any honest, sincere, and diligent believer would not be confused. Nietzsche is a class all time example of aconfused man, have you readup on his sad tale? Try wikipedia. Many atheists are also confused BTW. Nietzsche lived a confused, sad and sick life. He ended up in the assylum with his level of confusion. Yet he is the mentor of many a serious atheist. Try that for a perfect example to follow.

So a seed is different from a person isn't it? Now what part of the mother was Saul in? Or was he in Jacob and his wife at the same time? This is what happens when you only see things literally.

Of course a seed becomes a person. Did you not do any Biology related subject? It is the seed that becomes the tree/crop/fruit. the seed becomes the person. Without the seed in the man, the man would never BEAR children.

Yes and people convert from Christianity every other day so the choice is still yours on whether you want to continue being a Christian. Some pastor's son is losing their faith and some pastor's brother and daughter are leaving Christianity. But you still miss my point. My point is that God knew that parental influence would be a major factor in whether or not a person is religious so why did he allow so many religions before and after Christianity? The fact that I managed to escape shows you that I'm an exception to the norm.

It boils down to the individual's personal decision. It's sometimes called free will. It's not God's choice, but your choice, man's choice. God is not to be blamed for your father's or fore-father's wrong decisions to serve other gods/no gods. He is not to be blamed for their laziness which led to their impoverishment, which birthed your poverty. He is not to blame for their sickness or genetic deficiencies or blood groups either. We all make choices, and our daily choices may have far more weight than we imagine. You still have your choice to make.

Joagbaje: Jesus didn't wear trouser.

He wore white gown and blue belt right? And His twelve disciples wore dirty brown garments and sexy beards?

God is not a respecter of persons,is He? Even if He was addressing house flies, it would be wisdom for you to pay attention (and pay tithes ). Go to the ant thou sluggard, consider her ways and be wise.

thehomer: Are the other books I mentioned special? And you seem to be agreeing that some of the laws have changed. The question now is why those laws and not other laws?

Perhaps they are special. i don't think i disagreed on change of 'laws'. What i have continued to say is that there is no contradiction. i explained to you about grace and punishments/judgement and the variations between the old and the new. The 'çhanged' laws are affected either by grace, or by Christ fulfilling them already, or by their not been necessary again.

God didn't divide the Bible into chapters and verses, men did. It shows that you don't even know much about how your Bible came about.
Where did God do this? And you're saying that the dietary laws and the sabbath laws are moral laws? This means you shouldn't eat sea-food except maybe fish and you shouldn't eat pork and the other animals listed or you'll go to hell. It also means that you'll go to hell for working on the Sabbath. Now what makes these dietary laws and Sabbath laws moral laws?

i never said God divided the Bible into chapters and verses. It's either you have an issue with comprehension, or you are deliberately misinterpreting my statements. i said the division into chapters and verses is already inherent in the passages and naturally emerges. i already answered you on diet and sabbath, i don't understand why you are echoing your questions. What are moral laws?

And I'm telling you that your hands are always subject to gravity even when they're not raised. That is why if it was cut off at the wrist, it will drop to the ground even if you weren't raising it so your analogy simply doesn't work at all. And they are still contradictory. In the OT, who was casting the punishment? In the NT, who is casting the punishment? What you don't realize is that what happened when Jesus was there is that he stopped the act that was brought before him. If it wasn't brought before him, that woman would have been killed so I don't see this hand of grace what I see is that modern people simply don't carry out those barbaric acts.

It's the same person casting the judgement in the OT and in the NT. the person is God. He can use whatever instrument He chooses in casting His judgement. Analogies are given to help you understand or relate with what is been discussed. Continued attempts to fault analogies is your loss, not mine. You are the one trying to understand, or asking to understand why this or that. i already understand.

Your analogies are bad and they're showing that you don't understand the nature of what you're trying to use for explanation.

Your loss, not mine.

I was talking about the principle that they should use not the one that they currently use. My point is that what they and Adeboye currently use is flawed. If the lawmakers decided that since most Nigerians are Muslims, they would make the 5 daily prayers mandatory would that be fine with you? You are aware that all humans have access to this natural world. The difference is that some like you have added the supernatural.

And what esoteric principle is that, that the majority do not know or practice, only thehomer is bringing it up as the principle they should use? All humans have access to the supernatural. Whosoever wants to/wills, let him come. that's what the Spirit says. It all hinges on if you want to come into the spiritual or supernatural, or no.

No you didn't. That wasn't God or Jesus talking and it doesn't say that a law has been removed. It said a law can be removed if it is useless. Now even if we assume that Jesus said it, how do you decide which law is useful and which one is useless?

When do you know that God is talking or not talking again?

Actually, you're the one reading things into that passage talking about the vision. The point of that vision was that Peter should go and preach to gentiles but he was refusing by calling them unclean but since you always see things literally, where did God literally say he had renounced his former dietary laws? Giving me someone's dream isn't good enough since as I'm sure you know, a dream isn't the same thing as the real incident.

It's your lucky day, i'm being generous here. 1 Timothy 4v3-5

Galatians only says that with respect to the view of maybe when in church otherwise, why was the Ephesians passage talking about slaves obeying their masters with fear and trembling? Looks like you've found another contradiction in the New Testament. I mean, are slaves to obey their masters with fear and trembling or are they to act as if they're all equals?

i'm in doubt as to whetherr you read that Leviticus passage. Where did you see anything about church in the Galatians passage? And where did you see slaves in the Ephesians?

I know you said that but you've not shown what these disputes are. You asked for what I thought I told you now you're running away from giving your own explanation? Asking me to keep looking is just laziness on your part.

i agree with the interpretation you gave to verse , and we should not cross dress. Very relevant and important today. The other passage is also relevant and important. So, search for the interpretation. The Word of God is a treasure mine, sometimes you justy got to dig. Dig thehomer, i'm not your skydaddy.

Looks like you've run out of steam once you've been shown not to know what you're talking about.

whatever. i'm not interested in useless arguments over nothing simply because i'm right.

Did Jesus visit Lagos? Did Governor Fasola see him? Did any other Lagosian in the past 20 years meet Jesus? You may as well have said that the people of Nineveh should have heard about Jacob and done the right thing without having Jonah come there.

Jesus visits Lagos all the time. i live in Lagos, and ive met Him. Countless others can testify to meeting Him too. Look for Him, you will meet Him. Did the Ninevites see Jonah inside the fish, or you think he was telling them stories about fishes? Read the passages again mr. All they heard was a warning about judgement in 40days, and they repented. You have heard more lucid and convincing stuff. You either have overheard or not to have paid enough attention. Work on these weaknesses.

Come on. Is that how to read the Bible? No wonder people keep seeing whatever they want to see. The warning was referring to Sodom and Gomorrah not to Noah's flood. Noah's flood wasn't a warning. Even if you want to claim the flood as a warning, is that how you warn people? By killing everyone who opposes you leaving only those who support you? That isn't warning since you've killed all those who disobeyed, that is judgement.

It is a warning to US, and other generations that followed the flood. Read 2Peter2, the sentence starts from verse 4. A proper sentence doesn't start with 'And'. Read what is before AND, the conjuction.

That commits the no true Scotsman fallacy. Sinners are children of the devil yet all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Now those who repent become children of God but they can sin and once they sin, they become children of the devil again. I wonder what unclean thing is being spoken of here since you previously quoted to me a passage about God sanctifying all creation. Another contradiction right there.

you will soon see the all true Kaduna fallacy, nonsense. Read the scriptures and be wise. Sinners are children of the devil, and like the passage says, will be children of God when they fulfil the given conditions. Which one is sanctifying all creation BTW?

And I'm telling you that people have given their lives for less than 100 people. What then makes Jesus giving one life for more than 50 billion people more difficult? Note that I'm talking about the difficulty here. It is the difficulty that makes it a sacrifice if a sacrifice were easy, will it be called a sacrifice? Then there's the fact that the person who gave his life for less than 100 people isn't sure of being resurrected but Jesus was. So his so called "sacrifice" was done and he was rewarded so I see the person giving his life for less than 100 people as having done the larger sacrifice. Just as the widow who gives her mite does more than the one who gives more money out of his huge reserves.

The point again is not how difficult or easy. that seems to be lost on you. The point is WHO has it. You can't give what you don't have. Only Jesus had what it took to pay for sins. A sacrifice is an offering to God, whether it costs much or little is not the point.

Because God is supposed to be God. He made the laws, he obviously decides to change it from time to time and he decides to break it from time to time so why couldn't he have done that as usual? Scripture doesn't say otherwise. Scripture shows that God breaks is laws and changes his laws.

Perhaps you might need to define God. The One in the Bible has shown clearly that the soul that sins will die, as was told Adam. The One in the Bible sticks to His Word and is faithful.

No he didn't send Jesus because Jesus is yet to visit Lagos. Sure why not? What else is Jesus doing there in heaven? Let him show up and display a bit more in these modern times with modern technology for review not in the ancient times when people didn't know about bacteria that could kill them.

Eyaah, like i said, Jesus has been sent into all the world. Many people can testify to that. God has a plan and will of His own that you are to subject to. He is not to subject to your whims and whimpers. Jesus coming every 33years to die is not what will make people believe in Him. Some folks lived when He came and crucified Him. Some folks saw His miracles and didn't believe but betrayed Him. Some folks watched the resurrection live but were paid not to believe. God has spoken once, you had better pay attention for your own good.



i'd reply to the rest later.

@alexleo and co,
Repeating prayers after someone is not the issue. There is nothing wrong with that, John taught his disciples how to pray, Jesus also taught His disciples how to pray. how much more teaching a sinner how to pray. As simple as praying might seem, there is nothing wrong with teaching others. Salvation doesn't hang on whether someone repeated a prayer or not. Salvation is hinged on repentance and faith in Christ. And there is nothing wrong with follow up, or discipling a convert. The 'Great Commission' says to disciple all nations.Matthew 28v19,20. There may be a few who we may not be chanced to follow up on, and disciple, but the more common thing is to disciple, or follow up on a new convert. A convert is like a new born child.
The church that will make an impact is the church that preaches the gospel. It's that simple(hard). Any and every other thing we concentrate on is O.Y.O. God has not sent anybody on wild goose chases of 'purging' the church of false prophets, like the fake things we see here on NL. There is no ministry of tithes(for or against). It's utter folly obtaining a doctorate in tithes just to speak against it, or even for it. The Master sent nobody such nonsense. Some concentrate on 'éxposing' fraudsters, and doctrines they do not agree with. These are not the things that would produce any real impart or impact. Impact is to preach the gospel, that Jesus came to save sinners. Preach it faithfully, preach it until you drop dead, that is impact.

Goshen360: Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; - Matthew 23:5

Today! This scripture is fulfilled in your eyes/ears

Fortunately, tithe is not everything i do. I've done many other things, good things today. My post is relevant to the thread. have you paid your tithe? You lied about setting aside a tenth and sharing it with others, using it to drink ogogoro etc. Remember? This passage didn't pop up when you were telling us that abi?

i am back and better ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i paid my tithes today.

i think i might need a men bra, i am liking this free lance interpreters.