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 Christianity Etc › Re: Mid-week Service & Christian Folly! by Image123(m): 9:10pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
Bigots and myopic minds would never consider the fact that not everybody does 8-4 or 9-5. It is not by force to go to every church service, especially if you are supposed to be at some other place,like at work, or school, or in a hospital or something. The church is made up of different classes and types of people. Some people are on leave, some are on shift work(i.e day duty, night duty, off work), some people are on holidays, some people are looking for work, or looking for admission, some people are retired, some people are contract workers or contractors, some people are self-employed, some are business owners, some are farmers, some people can actually afford to leave their workplace. You can't tie everybody to a compulsory 8am to 4.30pm work schedule. The world is actually bigger than you think and than the internet.  Jesus preached anytime and everywhere. He held a crusade in Samaria at noon. His followers met daily at the temple. There should be freedom of worship. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christian Men Remove Their Cap In Church? by Image123(m): 8:50pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
@hypocrites John 5v39 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 6:58pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
Goshen360: @ Image123, You know say I get Colgate toothpaste and you have oil, no need for holy water. Use my Colgate and your oil to brush your teeth.......It will be whiter than snow after using both......don't you think the oyel should be sold and given to the poor? i may need an elder to help pour the oyel for my mouth IF i sick, since na elder suppose pour the thingy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christian Men Remove Their Cap In Church? by Image123(m): 5:44pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
the Bible says so. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Shiloh 2012: Double Portion:...DAY FOUR by Image123(m): 5:41pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
Winch sef go get mind to carry leg go front of Oyedepo. i promise am double portion, triple sef. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Mid-week Service & Christian Folly! by Image123(m): 5:36pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
A fool has no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Proverbs18. Jo has already answered the questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 5:06pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
 Bidam: To establish biblical order within the church. Do you have a father? Bidam: To establish biblical order within the church. Do you have a father? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anointing Oil Used By Some Churches: Wrong Or Right. by Image123(m): 4:50pm On Dec 02, 2012 |
Goshy Goshy, na wa oo. If it's tithe and offering, you'll argue that everybody is on the same level. Now na annoything oil, you dey recognize your elders. i dey feel you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 11:28pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 10:38pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
@debo I'm happy you're patient to continue this discourse with Image123. . . but for someone to use Paul's words to claim that Paul said, he was not without law, but under the law, and he encouraged gentiles to follow him. is just disappointing.Make i answer you, you be VIP na. 1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 1Co 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. \ 1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Paul also said circumcision is a good thing. The pivot where you are having issues is IF the law is used as a means of justification, to salvation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 10:29pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
@zikky, good to see your jumps, i hope though that you are learning because me, i am.  Goshen is not saying the levite did not receive tithe after the law. What he is disputing is your reliance (and interpretation) on Hebrew 7:8 to prove that tithe was received after the law. That Hebrew verse is not talking about tithing activities after law. Goshen is very correct.Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. Where did Gosh forget his tenses when reading this verse? It is plainly seen that at the time of writing Heb 7v8, men were receiving tithes. Gosh is saying nobody was, that's a lie. You're covering up for him instead of explaining to him. People received tithes after the law, AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, NO APOSTLE CONDEMNED THE PRACTICE. If that's too hard for you all to swallow, that's too bad. It may be true that people received tithe after the law, but they were not Christians. If the Jews continued to offer burnt offering & tithe after the law, it is of no relevance to Christianity.See yoursef? Now, its MAY BE. My point here is not that people should give tithe because men receive tithe in Hebrew 7v8. The point for the umpteenth time, is that no scripture condemns tithe, even though men received it after the law. Offering burnt offering is done away with because something else replaced it. Nothing replaced tithes. ....and i spent time explaining what i meant by the law not being relevant in Paul's dealings with the gentiles, but as expected you guys don't read. I will say it one more time so you don't keep making irrelevant posts: Paul did not require the gentiles to adhere to the requirement of the mosaic law, simple.What is/are the requirement(s) of the mosiac law? Praise the law all you want, it does not change anything.Its in the Bible, Faith, mercy,love and judgement was in operation before the law and after the law. faith, mercy, love and judgement is also practiced by pagans.Tithing was in operation before the law and after the law. The remaining part of the quote seems irrelevant and pulled out from your pocket. If your tithing is not driven by the requirement of the law, why do you keep referring to the law to justify your action?i don't. Instead, i'm referring you guys to the fact that if you say tithing is ended on the premise that the law is ended, you have to be ready to end the whole law, especially the weighty part. Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. I asked a question you are yet to answer. let me repeat it here: if the commandment "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall not obtain ya neighbor's wife" was never part of the law, can you image123 kill your brother for the fun of it? or can you steal your neighbors wife because you are image123 collecting peeps wife is what you do? Your response to this question will help in understanding 1 Timothy 1:9Your assumptions and out of nowhere deductions are irrelevant. People tithed without the requirement of the law and before the law. Can't you understand that? It's silly for anybody to think that the love, faith, mercy goes with the law. If there was another commandment to tithe after the law, it would also be silly for anybody to say there is no more tithe because the law is no more. Unfortunately, there is no commandment to tithe after the lawSo what goes with the law apart from tithes? How will the law go, and leave its weighty matters? Was there a commandment to tithe before the law? Did people tithe before the law? Tithe is a tenth? so if my income is N20,000 and i decide to give a tenth of N10,000 (i.e. N1,000), can this giving be considered a tithe? afterall it is a tenth N10,000. You see why your comment don't make any sense. Tithe is a tenth, but not all tenth are tithe. You must properly define your tithe.It is a tithe. A tithe of 10,000, duh. Only that such person is tithing of a part for a reason. What do you mean it was God? are you saying it was God that collected tithe?Yes. Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Your Pastor Achieve The Following Feats ? by Image123(m): 9:57pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
frosbel: 1. Wash the feet of all the members of his local church.Some people do this> It can be done by any religious fellow. 2. Use a molue, okada or even donkey to get to churchmost of those prosperity pastors you love have done this and more, its in their c.v. Continuing in it is not a fruit of the Spirit, is it? 3. Give half of his possessions to the poor.Hypocrite, have you done this? Where is this required of a christian? 4. Show no reaction when he is insulted , spit on or even slapped by the irate heathenMany can do this, and many do this daily in nigeria. The motive of the reaction is what is important. A 'witch' can show no reaction when insulted or abused physically only to go and plan how to kill the entire generation of the offender later. Anybody can and may show no reaction due to fear or hopelessness/seeming helplessness, or self pity. This is no feat, especially if the person abusing you is stronger or richer than you. You need to see this so called feats daily between oga and employee. 5. Reject the Tithe message as a doctrine of demonsIs this a feat? Have you read the requirements for a Bishop/Pastor in scriptures? None of your ten feats is stated. 6. Reject favours and opportunities from corrupt business men and politicians even if it means starvationi've heard many telepastors do this, or say this. i can vividly recall hearing pastor Adeboye saying this, does he now qualify in your highness sight, or as usual you are just making purposeless questions? 7. Kneel down before the church and repent of his wickedness and apologise to the church for misleading them in some casesA man is required to kneel before God and repent IF he has committed any sins. If any pastor has offended his church, he will apologise. i think even Eddie Long of all people apologised to his church. Anybody can apologise, its not a gift of the Spirit. 8. Tell the members that he is not the authority on the word of GOD , they should go to the bible and follow the leading of the Holy Spiriti've never heard any pastor claim to be the final authority on the Word of God. 9. Deny that he has any special position with GOD and agree that he is really just a servant for the people of GOD.Pastors have SPECIAL POSITION with God. they are shepherds to the sheep, and are counted as WORTHY of double honour. 10. Preach on sin with no respect of persons, even though this might offend the largest contributors and givers.i'm sure your former pastor does this as an hobby almost. That did not qualify him enough in your perverse heart and eyes. If he can, then let the angels of GOD rejoice for another converted soul.Sentiments, this are not the requirement for salvation. you are not the one to tell the angels of God when to rejoice, you overrate yourself. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anointing Oil Used By Some Churches: Wrong Or Right. by Image123(m): 9:40pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
Goshen360: You don finish your sermonIf you cared to read what i posted, you'd have seen that i'm not saying use of anointing oil is the way forward or 'best practice'. i've simply told you to mellow down and come off your high horse in exhorting or correcting others. that you don't use anointing oil doesn't mean it is heresy o blasphemy. Everybody is not in the same level of faith. Stop bullying others with your understanding, no bi you go first get understanding. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anointing Oil Used By Some Churches: Wrong Or Right. by Image123(m): 6:33pm On Dec 01, 2012 |
Snowwy: @Goshen,gosh is not happy about tithes, don't mind him. Every Sunday almost makes him this moody like people give from his bank a/c. It's really tithes messing up with him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 3:46am On Dec 01, 2012 |
@zikkyy You image123 are still working according to the flesh that's why you need the law. some of us have moved to the next level.Waoooh, this is a new one! So you think the law of God is the law of sin and death? The law is good, the law is holy, the law is righteous, and we should be mindful of it. Paul delighted after the law and he was saying this to gentiles. You can't quote this scripture against/to oppose that background. i kept telling you guys on the other thread months ago that there are different laws and you should be careful to distinguish what law has been done away with according to Hebrews. Some of your folks were yapping about the law of tithes until i drummed it into their soul that there is nothing like the law of tithe in the Bible. See Romans again in its context. Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Paul delighted in the law of God, but there was ANOTHER LAW in him. It's not talking of the OT but a law inside him, a law of sin which is in him. that is the law that all have sinned. The law that all are sinners by default and will rather sin. there is a law of gravity that applies to everybody. there is a law of sin that applies to every human until he receives Christ. It is this law Paul is talking of. Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Again he emphasises in the bolded that the problem is in the body, in his members. He's not looking for deliverance from God's law, and he finds deliverance in Jesus Christ. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. He is being made free from the law of sin and death which were in his body, in his members, not from the law of God. Was it Jesus that defined tithe as 10% of income? Who defined tithe as 10% of income? where in in the bible is tithe defined as 10% of your income?Income is profits, proceeds, returns, harvest, revenue, earnings, wages, pay, salary. tithe is a 10% of what you make. There is no dictionary meaning of tithe or of salvation in the Bible. Even the 'illiterate' Israelites were taken for granted to know the meaning of tithes. it is simply 10% of income. The commands just mentioned it to them. The tithe of e.g Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem aught of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD. Num 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as a heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. These are the first times the tithes was recorded to Israel and there is no definition as you suggest. It was for granted that everyone knew tithe as a tenth of the income. Image123 tried to manipulate Hebrews 7:8 to mean that "here" is a present time when "men who die receive tithe". I know you want to hide under the "sometimes" confusing English of KJV. Let me help you by showing from our exposition that, there are TWO groups being compared and the KJV uses the word, "Here....there" to compare. It was comparing the tithe as in the case of Abraham to the case of the Levites. You abuse scriptures when you force your own interpretation into it. Take a look,What is this nonsense? Is false accusation permitted after the law or what? i have said severally that Hebrews 7v8 shows that tithe was received after the law and nobody, apostle or disciple complained or condemned it. All the 'exposition' on here and there is at best needless. What has anything got to do with the kjv? You'v never seen me quote other versions or you don't quote kjv? Adding irrelevancies to your post doesn't make them more truthful. You no try, you for quote heaven version join. the point still remains that men collected tithes after the law in the Bible and nobody fainted or got sick for it. Telling Christians to obey the LAW of MOSES is heresy! When the law CHANGED/ENDED, Everything ended including tithing, priesthood, sacrifice, worship order etc, everything ended. It is outrightly unscriptural to mix law and Grace together to confuse the NT believers. This is the dilemma of the End time. Also, need we remind you that,CAn you properly quote me or anyone here telling christians to obey the law of Moses? The matter is that you say the law is to be done away with therefore do away with tithe. the question we are asking is what law? Because if you generalise the law, you have to generalise it fully. you have to include love, mercy, faith, not just tithes. Understand that one first, make we come enter the other matter. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 2:58am On Dec 01, 2012 |
@zikky Now this is the part that is more complex, barging into another's line of discussion and reasoning. he seems to have taken your answer as his though so i'll reply, though it looks like you're not understanding what i say the same way. Well, that's the way here, any silly question and quote against tithe gets the approval and applause of all anti-tithers and then we have to go back to square one and into endless and meaningless circles. Another person might soon come in now and kind of take the baton, and we re-start discussion and arguement on basics etc. You kept saying tithe was received after the law now, and after some serious pressure you come up with the info that the Levites are the receiver of tithes after the law. what exactly is the point? all this while i thought you were going to reveal some hidden secrets am disappointedOne of you is still likely to ask the bolded again. The point is that people received tithes after the law and were not condemned or castigated by any of the apostles. If anything, they were encouraged. 1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. Paul said, he was not without law, but under the law, and he encouraged gentiles to follow him. You know, we can keep on in an endless talk on any side of a matter. What you need to do is seek and strive to understand the issues roundly instead of avoiding the scriptures or countering them against one another like the person who quotes the most scriptures in his favour wins. Almost anything and position can find a scripture to back it up, and we have many examples of seeming contradictions. Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. [center]OR[/center] Pro 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion. Pro 28:14 Happy is the man that feareth always: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief. the above two passages are good examples. Same writer, same chapter, the bolded can be taken by opposing sides and there are other scriptures to back up each side. both the wise and honest person will strive for understanding. Now that the GOAL or PURPOSE of the law have been achieved (except in your case where the law is yet to achieve its purpose), is there still need for adherence? My brother you need loooove in your life o! the lack of love is the reason you are tithing according to the law.i guess you don't need loooove in your life o? The goal and purpose and summary of the law is love, and love still needs to be adhered to. 1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. Irrelevant to the discussion. You spent more time praising the law than showing the relevance to Christianshow could a praise and show from scriptures on the importance of the law be irrelevant to a discussion stating that the law is irrelevant. i guess only want you agree to is relevant to the discussion. How again do you expect the relevance to be shown. i showed you that the OT prophets said the law is relevant. James, John, Peter and Paul said that the law is relevant. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. Are these passages irrelevant to christians? The early christians respected the law as the Word of God. It was their scriptures.(Can you dispute any of these sentences?) They all commended it, it's then unfortunate how you out of context decide to deride the law and condemn it. Hear James on the law, he thought the law was perfect. he was writing to christians! Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. Hear David, a man after God's heart. Psa 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way. Hear John the beloved, 1Jo 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. What he is saying is in paraphrase that "what i'm telling you is not different from the OT which hangs on love, according to Jesus". Hear Peter, he encouraged the listeners to listen to the old, 2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Savior: He said listen to the old guys, then us. But your folks here are saying "Pull out the old guys and the four gospels, lets listen to the after the law guys". Be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets e.g Malachi, moses Hear Paul the apostle, Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: To imagine that Paul delights in the law, considers it good, holy and spiritual! He must be kidding, right? Paul said "Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing ALL things which are written in the law and in the prophets: " . Paul, AFTER the law, believed EVERYTHING written in the law. Remember he kept the law, even made vows and cleansing rites in the temple AFTER the law. He believed in Malachi 3, and in Genesis 14. He believed ALL. Lol! who established the law Paul? or Image123? Apostle image stop quoting what you don't understand abeg youRom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. you may want to come down from your high horse and congealed throne to open our understanding in this matter. Are you now saying the law is for sinners only, now that you agreed the law is not meant for the righteous man? Image, you are confused you are just wasting bandwith here. You think one has to make long irrelevant posts to make sense hereYou may want to re-read the quote you referenced here and see if it says any of what you're assuming. Learn to read one person cumulatively and not disjointedly or selectively. Apostle image123, just one question sir. If the mosaic law that says thou shall not kill was deleted from the 10 commandment, can you point a loaded gun at your brother's head and pull the trigger for the fun of it?So we are to live the realities of scriptures laid down for us, and focus on your conjectures and daydreams? Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope. Whatsoever things include tithes mrs zikky. Did it ever occur to you that the levite would probably have died of starvation if not for the law to tithe. did you observed that God continued to use threat to ensure compliance (e.g. Malachi 3:10), did you observed that the Israelite periodically stray from the rightful path to worship other gods and only returns under threat? Do you really think you can give in love when the driving force is the threat that your income/business will be consumed by the devourer if you don't comply? The reason why a man would abandon a brother in need to pay his tithe.1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. EVEN SO, just like God took care of the levites in the OT, those which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. god took care of them with tithes and offerings , and EVEN SO it is to be done in the NT. God loved His people with an everlasting love, and 'threatened' them in the OT. Its the same in the NT, God remains a consuming fire in the NT. the WRATH of God is REVEALED in the NT. The important thing is to repent. Whether one repent because God shed His love or repents because He wants to escape as in Hebrews2v1, repentance is repentance. God has not changed. Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 2:01am On Dec 01, 2012 |
@zikky lemme try and match you too together i.e you and Gosh, though you both understand me differently. i noticed also that you selectively replied my posts. i assume that you are in now in agreement with the parts that you skipped. Bringing it up later like it was never answered na wahala oh. The bolded is not in dispute. I did agree that people received tithe after the law [/b]and i went further to state that it was the levites that received tithe after the law in accordance with the requirement of the law. I also stated that the people that received tithe after the law (levites - in accordance with the requirement of the law) were also the people receiving tithe when the law in force. there was no need for condemnation because nothing changed. If you say i already agreed to your premise, i want to believe this is your position as well.Ys, this is my position. you may also note that Gosh doesn't agree with the bolded. My point remains that people received tithes after the law in the time of the apostles, none of them condemned it or spoke ill of it. What you guys are doing as anti-tithers is not scriptural. infact Jesus commended and recommended tithes. Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for [b]ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. How can you say i lied? It would be nice if you can just ensure your computer screen is not lying on it side anytime you are reading my posts. Did i say Paul had issues writing about the law to anybody? NO!, did i say Paul did not use the law to validate his message? NO!, Did i say Paul did not respect the law? NO! so what are you talking about. This is what i said: It's very simple, the bible verse is enough proof that Paul (sent to the gentiles) did not require the gentiles to adhere to the mosaic law (tithe inclusive). Paul's behavior among the gentiles was that of one not under the bondage of the mosaic law.i responded to and quoted the below, are you not the one that said it? "Paul's behavior among the gentiles was that of one not under the bondage of the mosaic law. The weightier and minor matters of the mosaic law were not relevant in his dealings with the gentiles, only the law of Christ was relevant." Why would Paul quote the law copiously in ALL his letters to the gentiles if they were not relevant to his dealings? Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. 1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 1Ti 5:18 For the Scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The laborer is worthy of his reward. Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Love is the fulfilling of the law. Did Paul not tell his audience to love? It is not stated anywhere in the quotes above that gentiles should adhere to the requirement of the mosaic law.Fortunately, the verses are in praise of the law, as against the trampling and the deriding of the law that you folks consider a virtue. You need to understand also, that keeping the law of God in the NT is not a requirement to salvation. What constitute the major matters of the law is irrelevant as long as Christians are not required to comply with the requirements of the law.Faith, mercy, love and judgement are major mattes of the law and they are relevant to real Christians. 1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. This goes to reinforce our understanding that it was the levi priests collecting tithe & offerings. no problem.In actuality, it was God and He does not change. Oh yes i can! while faith is a weighty part of the law, my faith is not driven by the requirement of the law. Why is it so difficult for you to understand?Meaning, on the same premise, while tithe is a minor part of the law, my giving tithe is not driven by the requirement of the law. Why is it so difficult for you to understand? you are the ones insisting that the premise for not paying tithes is that the law is 'no more', and we are telling you that there is no more law, there is no more love, faith, mercy, not only tithes. We know people rendered a tenth of 'something' before the law. That is not in dispute. What i don't agree with is your claim that the act of rendering a tenth of your income to the church is a requirement of the law.My claim? i do not understand that part. Tithe is a tenth, stop dodging issues. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: MAN Is Made Up Of Spirit, Soul And Body by Image123(op): 1:07am On Dec 01, 2012 |
@big nero @ IMAGE 123Nero, from the Bible's viewpoint, not everybody has God's Spirit. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. The scripture has numerous passages talking about God promising to put His Spirit on people. this of course infers that not everybody has God's Spirit. i dont know about soul travel, yoga etc ooo( paul: dont u know ye are the temple of the living God?)( i will dwell amongst them and they shall be my people ... moses)paul:God was in Jesus christ reconciling the world to himself)These scriptures are referring to believers, not to man/mankind in general. Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 2)why are these people called new thought? and not regarded as real christians? am only asking oo please en devour to enlighten me :They are not christians because they are not followers of Christ. A christian is a follower of Christ. A christian has repented of his sins and believes in Jesus and only Jesus as the way to God, newAgers don't do this. Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at naught of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. let us not fall into the temptation of judging others, all judgement belongs to God,. as far as God and this world is concerned there are only 2 laws required THE LAW OF LOVE, THE LAW OF FAITH. (upon love hang all the laws and prophets(10 comandments):Jesus)love is the fulfiling of the law:paul), now i know that new thought people belive in this law and practice it.belive u me the whole bible can be sumed up in ONE WORD, LOVE. i wonder why the new thot, people are as regarded evil.am asking o remember Jesus was regarded as evil, by people too.lets endeavour to all seek the truth, regradless of what ever sect, WE humans have classed ourselves.Jesus christ said that by their fruits, you will know them. Love and faith have to be in God. the highest love and the highest faith is in God. it is not enough to love nature or love people or love animals, you must love God. It is not enough to have faith in your country or in yourself, you must have faith in God. i dunno about being regarded as evil or no, but the truth is in Jesus. Any spiritual truth not anchored in, rooted in Jesus is a shaky one, and is not advisable to follow. remember that i'm been biblical, not sentimental or political or philosophical. If one doesn't want to hear biblical, this is not the thread to be. 3)i believe God dwells in us all, yes the good and evil of us:God is life, God is love,( i will rite my laws on their hearts and mind,: moses)love can only be written in the heart and mind.yes God is in heaven, but his spirit still dwells on earth , but in man. meaning all power is from within. thats whay when the isrealites got to the red sea and moses didnt know what to do, God told him to speak,beacuse his power resides in us all( life and death is in the power of the tongue, not heaven) u get the point? if u make positive statement and believe u shall receive.the Spirit of God is DIFFERENT from each man's spirit. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: god has given man a powerful, wonderful, and fearfully made body, soul and spirit. We have complex and beautiful bodies that can do amazin feats, souls that can think extraordinary ideas, and great spirits. These all are not comparable to God's or even to angels. 2Pe 2:11a Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, God made man for FELLOWSHIP, not for INDEPENDENCE. In fellowship, God plays a part, and man plays a part. It's teamwork. God gives grace, man gives faith. Man has unfortunately usually sought for independence right from the time of Adam. God wants us to trust in Him. he built us to trust in Him, have faith in Him. We function best that way. It's like a manufacturer makes a freezer, but a user wants to use the freezer as an airconditioner. The freezer can not function best as an air conditioner. it may try, it may eve seem to be achieving that purpose, depending on the space given, but it won't last or fulfil its ultimate destiny. Our ultimate fulfilment comes in trusting in God, fellowship with God, and faith in God. There is no hope in trusting self as God, or doing good without God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Anointing Oil Used By Some Churches: Wrong Or Right. by Image123(m): 12:29am On Dec 01, 2012 |
Goshen360: @ OP,Gosh, stop being an annoying bully. here is sound doctine, Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. Some people can walk unaided, some people need an aid. Some people can see unaided, some people can only see with the use of an aid. We all need some form of aid to see somethings, maybe a recommended glasses, a microscope, or a telescope. Some people need aid for their faith. you don't need to come here or go anywhere making arguments over nothing. Perhaps you're grown up in faith, allow the kids to their toys and fun. They're not going to hell for it. You can teach them, but do it in love and in maturity. Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. The scriptures even records the use of anointing with oil. Mar 6:13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them. Psa 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Adding that to the James passage. At least, i don't expect any terrorist to come here saying that the practice is pagan or of pagan origin. God encourages faith, we are not all on the same level of faith. Some people have great faith, some people have little faith. Not all believrs are like the centurion that needs "speak the Word only". Some require a touch, some need an apron or handkerchief(Paul may have spoken the Word only for some), some have faith with some medicine, some believe and don't use medicine, some have faith with a Peter's shadow to help, some can pray for themselves, some will "catch" faith only when G.O prays for them or they reach Bonnke crusade. Some have faith to pray in their room, some need to go to a particular location/camp/mountain and their faith soars like it was looking for network. It's different strokes for different folks, that's life for you. Some people would not get their healing until they touch the hem of a particular person's garment, some is until they drink water from a particular minister. At the end, the important thing is to not miss God, His righteousness, and His Kingdom. Whether you are healed by anointing oil or by reading Bible, without holiness, no man will see God. All should live a righteous life, pleasing to God, and focus on the Head Jesus. 52 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Unbeleivers Really Wiser Than Us? - Luke 16:8 by Image123(m): 11:54pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
joe4christ: Luke 16:8 if you can open your bible to that verse said ''the people of the world are wiser than the people of God'' which got me confused, 'how can that be' has ever since then been my question.Luk 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. The children of this world are in their generation wiser. It means among other things, that, the children of this world are smarter than believers in earthly things. In their generation, in what they do, in their living. It means they believe fully in what they are doing. they are committed, they are die-hards, unlike many believers. The life of believers is often a shadow of what its truly supposed to be if there is indeed a God. They do not live like there is a God, unlike unbelievers. Even where unbelievers serve idols, you can see the commitment, the regard, the dedication. They believe in the things of this world, and they pursue it. Unlike believers who believe on things above but don't live like it. Also, it means that the children of this world are smarter on this plain than believers. you cannot beat them in their game. Believers are strangers in this world, unlike the children of the world who own the place as it were. If you drag with them, and they drag with you, na you go lose something in the end. you'll lose your salvation, your patience, probably want to bribe to have an edge. He will out-cheat you, out-corrupt, out-smart, out-do you. Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, while thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. You can't compete really except you are ready to play dirty, compromise etc. Its like someone in a nice white wedding dress struggling with one in a deranged woman's robe. It's not talking about classroom intelligence or godly wisdom. It's the wisdom of this world, the survival instict earthly wisdom. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 5:26pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Can Your Pastor Achieve The Following Feats ? by Image123(m): 5:24pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Unbeleivers Really Wiser Than Us? - Luke 16:8 by Image123(m): 5:21pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Using Body Spray (Perfume) A Sin Or Not? by Image123(m): 5:18pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
completely at sea right now over perfumes? don't drown in the sea oh, Jesus don already die for you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does ‘lol’ Really Mean ‘lucifer Our Lord’? by Image123(m): 5:13pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
it means what you choose or agree it to mean, Lord Of Lords, Lots Of Laughter. |
| Art, Graphics & Video › Re: Strange Picture That Will Give You An Illusion! by Image123(m): 4:54pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
tomakint: ***Tomakint sings***, "Jesus, Jesus, Have Mercy, Have Mercy on Me" We all need THE GREATEST MAN THAT EVER LIVED ON EARTH IN OUR LIVES! Because HE is ALIVE for evermore!!!don't spiritualize this. |
| Art, Graphics & Video › Re: Strange Picture That Will Give You An Illusion! by Image123(m): 4:47pm On Nov 30, 2012 |
ewoooooo, illusionology! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 11:49am On Nov 30, 2012 |
@plap, hope you're not short too? Amusing and short is not a good combination oh, lolz. I'm kidding oh, you know i sabi tickle you. let me go take my flight, thank you Jesus, today no bi 'Shabbath'. plap for get chance catch me. I'll also have to put on THE WHOLE armour of God just in case. heeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 11:42am On Nov 30, 2012 |
plappville: WHAT ABOUT THE ONE HE SAID{ pray that ur flight be not in winter or on the * Sabbath*? and besides, he said he is the lord of the sabbath} Remember, if you break one, you break all.plap, please be polite enough to converse with me in English. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Could A Pastor Buy A Jet With Just Tithes by Image123(m): 11:30am On Nov 30, 2012 |
salt 1: But my view is simply Christians should champion the cause of openness and transparency and compel their churches to put everything out in the open.thank you. Though i seriously doubt AFC needs or appreciates this advertisement. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Ended And Abolished In The N.T - An Exposition On Hebrews Chapter 7. by Image123(m): 12:29am On Nov 30, 2012 |
Goshen360: I have read all of your talk. I will expose your heresy when I wake up. And If God will help you, some readers will see all your heresy and expose you before I wake up, lolzWith the way my boy Gosh was barking here like a violently possessed chicken, one would think he'd have exposed some heresy by now. Instead the guy just sober.lolz. Gosh my brother, dump the tension and pay your tithe, i may reply you in detail later as you expect. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Could A Pastor Buy A Jet With Just Tithes by Image123(m): 5:41pm On Nov 29, 2012 |
musKeeto: Keep trying to save face. I'm done with you.you remain the sinner and liar that i know. Done with me? i hope so, because you keep pestering me like it's your destiny. |
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