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you don't believe in the supernatural?

obadiah777: WHATS YA POINT ?

That the answer to the OP is supernatural, not natural.

obadiah777: I AAGREE. HOWEVER THE LORD IS NOT A CHEAP MAGICIAN. HE DOES EVERYTHING IN ORDER.

what is a cheap magician? can one man produce 12 sons? can 70 people become 3million?

Logicboy03: What? Afraid of something being exposed about your religion

even in your dreams, Jesus is Lord. no controversy.

@OP
with God all things remain possible. All He needs to do is speak the word only. "Be fruitful and multiply" is not natural but supernatural.

and what does this add to the syllabus.

hahaha waiting for supplementari list na, eminent names can fit enter. All this 10naira magazines sha!

any takers?

daddy said "this is very careless of you".
i said "be careful, remember lot's wife, sorry the facebook girl".

Goshen360: Besides, where you go hide for few days naw? I being no see you here for few days. The Lord is your strength bro.

I'm not on nl full time program na. i read sometimes though,

amusing

it's basically a command to be subject to authority. There be many a discontent fellas who break up with their group of 'believers' over any garri issue. Jesus Himself learned obedience and was subject to imperfect parents, attended religious events. So also, the apostles even after the ascension.

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Ola ola, nawa with you and Obama fight oh. There's nothing to worry about, if he's the Antichrist, that's better ithink. That would mean the end is very very near, and we'll soon be done with this place. cheer up my brother.

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To be born again is to be born of God. All humans are born of their parents, biological father and mother. This is being born of the flesh, the physical. One cannot, or should not exercise confidence in the flesh or fleshly. No matter how good, rich or intelligent a man is, that which is born of the flesh is flesh. And flesh cannot inherit God's kingdom. This necessitates a new birth, to be born another time or born again. Marvel not that it is again said unto you, you MUST be born again, MUST.

Is there even any proof that Oyedepo said Covenant wasn't built with offerings? Any proof before all these arguments.

really, that which is born of the flesh is flesh. irrespective of goodness, morality or charitable works. Jesus said we shouldn't even marvel, the newbirth is incontestable.

i don't know for sure if the Bishop exactly said that THE UNIVERSITY wasn't built from TITHES AND OFFERINGS. But whatever, i think if he was lying, his listeners should be very astonished. As in the claim is that he said this openly at Shiloh 2012, in front of the bulk of church members, who are supposed as the contributors to the project. If he lied as alleged, i expect empty seats at the remaining Shiloh messages, or at least some sound of disappointment and unbelief from members.

i know that the rapture is not today and cannot be today, at least i know that much. How you dey bro, nice.

Marvel not that i say unto YOU, YOU MUST be born again. Yes, you that is reading.

It is hard to meet a spirit filled Christian male or female anywhere. They are scarce.
Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Pro 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?
Luk 13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

thought I'd read or see videos from the event, or title of songs rendered by the 'ministers', abi which kain experience pipu dey share for hia, na trium phone you carry go?

Jo, of course i like you, even love you, perhaps its why I'm sometimes hard to make sure you get it right, as it were.

@Opening Post 4 contd.......
hope this one would not be long,

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The writer begins to drive home his focus, after showing through the theme of the epistle that Jesus Christ is greater than all. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, i.e if everything had been established or perfected or completed under the Levitical priesthood, what was the need for Jesus to come? Why was there a prophecy after the order of melchizedek instead of the order of Aaron? Aaron became priest in Exodus 28.
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Exodus 28 is where the order of Aaron started. It was shortly followed by the house of Levi joining Aaron to minister. Initially, God had planned for the firstborns in Israel to be priests and to minister.
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 13:2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
Exo 22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
All these was before the order of Aaron. The people and Aaron made a calf and committed idolatry, then Moses came and broke the law, saying "who is on the Lord's side". It was only the tribe of levi that came out as on the Lord's side. This decision influenced the choice of Levi to serve in the temple/tabernacle. to be the representatives of God, receiving and offering sacrifices on behalf of God and the people.
Exo 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
Num 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that openeth the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

This is the story behind the Levitical priesthood referred to in (If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron?). Under the levitical priesthod, the people received the law. What law? It's certainly not referring to the ones given in Exodus 20 as that was before the Levitical priesthood. You know, there are many 'the law' in the Bible. Just in the new testament, we are told of the law of Moses, the law of the Lord/God, the law of faith, the law of the Jews, the law of sin and death, the law of my mind, the law of liberty, the law of Christ, the law of commandments, among others. There is never a thing like the law of tithes mentioned in the Bible. The law of tithes is only a figment of the antitither's imagination. the Bible has more serious issues to discuss than some law of tithes. seeing there are so many laws referred in the Bible and they are not the same, it becomes necessary to find out "What law?". Because, under the levitical priesthod, the people received the law, what law. Is it Exo 20:12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.? No, this was even before the levitical priesthood. So, what law, it was the law of carnal commandments.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
It was the law of ordinances and ceremonies. It was the law with which the levitical priesthood operated to justify a person. The priesthood justified the individual based on what he did, touched, tasted, handled etc. You were clean by rubbing this and killing that. You were unclean by touching this on so so day, or eating that, or doing those. It operated on carnal commandments. this was the covenant the levites received. They were to do kill this animal, take that part and burn, apply salt to the other part, take the ashes, do this and that. This was the process for justification. This is the law that is done away with in the new covenant. You don't need no cow or turtle dove to be clean or unclean in the new covenant. If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,). It's not so much as talking about tithes than it is talking about the garden of Eden, he had made his point using tithes already, and the point is that the order of Melchizedek is superior to the order of Aaron. This is another point to show the superiority. If completion and perfection was in the Levitical priesthood, why was there a future prophecy after the order of melchisedek instead of Aaron? This is the question he is asking the Hebrews in verse11, which he graciously proceeds to answer.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The writer has established that the priesthood is being changed, because of the prophecy in the Psalms and the superiority of Melchizedek to Aaron as he has just shown. As the priesthood is being changed there is a change of the law also. there is a new covenant, a new law. The former law was based on justification by works, the new law is based on justification by faith. The Levitical priesthood system could not justify anybody.
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The law given under the levitical priesthood was expressed in the books of Leviticus and Numbers. It showed how the pattern of service and life should be before the people could be justified. No one could be justified that way. But Christ brought a better way, a new and living way, a way of justification by faith. Again, thee was nothing wrong with the law. As aleady shown, there were believers that obeyed the law, and even lived according to the law. but they didn't base their justification on keeping the law, but on faith. the Leviical system sought to justify by the works of the law.
Act 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Act 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
this passage above is rferring to apostle Paul, he also kept the law. he was born again, sanctified and anointed, perhaps more than any of us. But he knew that we are saved by grace through faith.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
This is the point Hebrews is trying to bring out! The Levitical system trusted in justifying one by the law. They said, okay you have sacrificed this, you have given tithes, you have circumcised, you don't commit adultery, you are clean, therefore you are justified. They didn't know that there is none good enough. They didn't know that they didn't actually keep the law. Jesus' order comes and says, you are clean, your sins are forgiven, you are justified, even without obeying nada yet. This is the change of the law. the law is now that if you believe, you will be saved. By grace, you are saved. The justified is now by faith. In the past, in the levitical system, the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But in the new covenant, the just lives by faith.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
Again,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. It's not changing you shall be holy for I am holy. It's not changing honour your parents, or do not commit adultery, or any of the moral laws! What the Hebrews 7 is advocating is justification by faith, salvation by faith. The Levi system worked at justification by keeping the laws, but now that there is a change of priesthood for a superior priesthood, the system has changed. We are justified by faith. It is not a matter of where the law is found, whether in Genesis or Malachi, or Matthew or 1Peter. Anyone that attempts to be justified/saved by keeping the law is still operating the Levitical system. The law is everywhere, infact, i'm of the opinion that the laws found in the NT are harder than and more difficult than the OT laws. Take for instance, the laws Jesus gave in Matthew5 "But I say unto you", or to love your enemies, or to pray without ceasing, or to rejoice when you fall into trials, or to forgive. Some of the NT laws are just impossible compared to the OT laws. The point God is proving is that we cannot keep the law, we cannot be justified by it. In the new covenant, we are justified first, then by God's grace, we obey the commandments of God. This is the issue Christ was proving to the rich man that came to Him.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
He wanted to justify himself by some good thing. You know the story, Jesus, who knows all men, knew his weakness. He gave him another law which He knew the rich man could not keep. He said go and sell your belongings. This is the purpose of the law, to prove all men guilty before God.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

But when you are justified by faith, you bein to show love for God and fellow men by obeying the law by grace. This time you are not under the law, looking for justification, but in faith in Christ, doing all things through Christ. This is why in Christ, nothing is really compulsory but faith, because nothing justifies you but faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
you're not justified because you went to church, or prayed, or fasted, or gave alms, or offerings, or a vow, or tithes, or you work in church or whatever. Nothing is compulsory in a sense, not even salvation. It is whosoever will, it is he that hath an ear.

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord swore and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of

All the rest of the chapter are hanging on these points laid, i wont go further in them due to space and time.

@Opening Post3 contd........
i may not be as elaborate in the rest of this posts on Hebrews7 as prior, but i'll try not to miss the essentials.

Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

The verse starts with an important word 'verily'. Verily means truly or indeed. That is, the writer is stating that what is about to be said is true and matter of fact. Verily, the priests have a commandment to take tithes of the people. One thing that can be deduced here is that there is no antagonism or acrimony against the activity talked about i.e the priests receiving tithes. The writer to the Hebrews, and every other apostle including Jesus Christ shoe NO disdain for the law or for its commands. This same Hebrew epistle takes for granted the priesthood.Heb 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
Heb 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
Heb 5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
Heb 5:4 And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

He said Aaron was a man of honour, called of God. the writer is not majorly attempting to teach for or against tithing or any form of giving in this reference. It is already taken for granted as the Hebrews were good givers. Most of the early christians seem to be good givers. paul even said of some that he didn't need to teach them giving as they knew it. you don't teach an undergraduate alphabets or addition, it is for granted that he knows it.

1Th 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
1Th 4:10 And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;

Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

It was a similar issue with the Hebrews, they were givers.
Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labor of love, which ye have showed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
in this passage, the Spirit of God encourages the Hebrews and their giving, and enjoins them to follow Abraham. So, the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people. Notice the tenses, it was present, and the writer saw nothing wrong with it. He didn't say, we are in the dispensation after the law, therefore, the sons of Levi, who receive[b]d[/b] the office of the priesthood, ha[b]d[/b] a commandment to take tithes of the people. They took tithes of the people, this is contrary to the statement of some antitithers i've encountered who say that the priests do not collect tithes of the people. This verse says they did. It says the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law. And he adds 'according to the law'. The term 'according to the law' is not a negative term or a smear. It becomes wrong when the action is done for justification. there are instances of believers who did things according to the law even after the death of Jesus.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Act 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
here we see two sets of believers doing things according to the law. It is okay in as much as they didn't base their salvation on the actions. And so, the levites who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
The point been made in this verse and in the following two is that the Levi priests were elevated above their brethren to receive the offerings of God(they were the ones on the Lord's side), and how much more Melchizedek, who received tithes from Abraham. The person who received the tithe or the offering was considered as a representative of God, a person higher/greater than the giver of the offering.

Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Verse 5 and verse 6 are comparing and contrasting as i previously just said. verse 5 is And they(the Levi priests). verse 6 is But He(Melchizedek). they both received tithes. Note the tense used in verse 6, He receiveD tithes. It was a past action, unlike the Levi priests who were still receiving as at the time of writing. He(Melchizedek) received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. He received tithes and blessed. Genesis 14 records that He blessed Abraham, and Abraham gave tithes. There is no tittle of the Word that does not have a reason for why it is there or arranged that way. A point we can pick from this is that God wants to bless His people, whether before tithing or after tithing. Abraham had the promises before he met Melchizedek who blessed him.He was blessed already, and he was also blessed after this encounter. God truly desires to bless us, and uses every opportunity to. When we give, when we pray, when we worship, when we fellowship with other brethren, when we obey God, it is an opportunity and avenue for God to bless us more. A christian is blessed whether he tithes or no, a christian is blessed whether he fasts or not, prays or not, goes to church every sunday or not. But we should not be weary in doing well as there is that extra blessing for doing well. So, Melchizedek received tithes of Abraham,and blessed him.

Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

This is given for verses 5 and 6. The priest blesses the people because the people are the less and the priest the better. Melchizedek is shown as greater than Abraham for blessing him. this is with the mind to show that Melchizedek is greater than Levi the father of Aaron. Thus, Jesus is greater than Aaron and the priesthood, being of the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

A lot of heat can be generated over this verse and i don't hope to cause any. But it plain states in the present and continuous tense that men that die RECEIVE tithes. Not received but receive. The writer is not primarily writing to show that tithing is right or wrong,but using it to prove the supremacy of Jesus to Aaron and therefore the Levitical system. he had used other scriptures to state the supremacy of Jesus to angels and to Moses, now to Aaronand the Levitical system. Aaron represents the Levitical priesthood. Aaron's system/order dies(men that die receive), but Christ's priesthood/order doesn't die(it is witnessed that he liveth). So, Melchizedel order or Christ's order of priesthood is greater than Aaron/Levitical order because 1) Abraham gave to Melchi, 2) Abraham was blessed by Melchi, and 3) Melchi's order doesn't die. Then he stamps this position with another point in the next two verses.

Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchizedek met him.

Watch the tenses again, Levi who (present continuous) receiveth/receive[b]s[/b] tithes, (past)pay[b]ed[/b]/paid tithes in Abraham. See again that there is a line/thread in the chapter saying that Levi was still receiving tithes as at the time of this epistle. The grouse of the apostles was never with the receiving of tithes or of with the keeping of the laws of God. their grouse was with putting justification or salvation on the works of the law. Even Abraham was not justified by the law or by circumcision, or any right works, but by faith. Now, the just shall live by faith. The Aaronic order attempted to justify by the law. But here is the writer showing us a greater than Levi(the gfather of Aaron), because Levi paid tithes in Abraham, and remember, you pay tithes or offer to and through someone greater than you. Without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. The reason Levi paid tithes to melchizedek is because/for he was still inside Abraham when Melchizedek met him.
There is also the sentimental word jangle some antitithes make about paying or giving tithes. There is nothing wrong with giving tithes, neither is anything wrong with paying tithes, they mean the same thing. Whether you give or pay, tithe is tithe. Abraham paid tithes, it says Levi also. Whether you say you pay it or give it, it is recorded as the same act. One verb is not holier or more spiritual than the other. The pharisee also claimed to give tithes.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

There was nothing wrong with the pharisee giving tithes or fasting. What was wrong was when he used it to justify himself. The heart of the matter was JUSTIFICATION, when we think or preach that our actions save us. Many antitithers think people who tithe or believe in tithes are not saved, or are lesser christians and vice versa.

Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house JUSTIFIED rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The publican demanded justification by mercy, the pharisee demanded justification by works. He was not an adulterer or extortioner. He prayed, he even began by thanking God and all that. But justification is by faith. We should learn not to argue on irrelevancies such as 'give' or 'pay'.

December 7 Judge not




Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.


Have you ever imagined of a country without prisons? Ever thought of a state or situation without law enforcement? You can be guaranteed a place of anarchy. The legal institutions of any developed country also have to be developed. The corrupt countries lack solid legal institutions and are often under-developed. So, progress and justice go hand in hand. In civilized regions, there is a corresponding organized system of justice.
Justice remains an integral part of the law. Justice is not served when the wrong person is acquitted. justice is not served when nobody is held responsible for wrong doing. Think of yourself or family been robbed or abused and you refusing to acknowledge it as wrong. In such a case, you become an accomplice to crime. Sanity demands that you judge the act of robbery and abuse as a crime, and the perpetrator as a criminal. What you then do after the judgement might vary, you may forgive or punish. And would not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Jesus is the Judge of all the earth. Yet, in our today's passage He says to Judge not! A complete reading of the verse though renders the command mute, as it were. Judge not, that ye be not judged. Don't you know that we MUST all appear before the judgement seat of Christ? Is it not plain that it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this JUDGEMENT? How then can we attempt to escape the inescapable? In another instance, the same Jesus advocates for men to judge righteous judgement. from the foregoing, it becomes imperative that Jesus is not saying that we should live as accomplices to crime, neither are we to condone injustice. You need to judge to make decisions. Is this the right man to marry. Is this the right staff to employ, or dismiss. Is this worship place glorifying God. is it right to do this or not? These are all cases/instances of judgement. What Christ is actually implying is 'condemnation'. Condemn not.
Learn not to condemn people. The thief you condemn, the adulterer you refused to preach to, or invite, because you have condemned him/her as not fit for the kingdom of God/gospel. God can touch any heart. Anybody can repent and have a change of heart. Don't condemn, don't put people in hell. It's not your job or ministry. This is the exhortation to all even today.

December 6 Uprooting the wicked in the church.




1Corinth 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

The universal church is the body of Christ. It is made up of believers functioning as different parts of the body in which Christ is the Head of the body. As we await the coming of Jesus Christ, our Lord, His desire and may i say, our desire is to present the body spotless, clean and without wrinkle. This is a far cry from present reality. Even Jesus Himself, looking at the church said "Nevertheless when the Son comes, will He find faith on earth?"
Today, we need to begin to look less at people and more at the Word and will of God. Today's passage informs us that we have a part to play in preparing the Bride and body of Christ. It is a part of purging. This issue of purging is neglected and often misconstrued today. There is the one group that does no purging of any kind, claiming a 'Judge not' law hanging on their head. There is the other group that purges so much, one would think that the church had diarrhoea. They have cut off so much and so many that the Body and Bride is left looking more like an helpless amputee at the mercy of the next operation..
God did not command us to put away our fellow brethren from the church. Doctrine should not divide us. We need to come to an understanding tha w all have varying knowledge and exposure. Although we do not have a unity of faith, believing things equally, we are told to press on to it, and endeavour to KEEP a certain unity of the Spirit. Today's passage is not asking to cast out or put away a brother or sister based on different view. 'A' believes in eating meat, 'B' does not. 'A' is a presiding pastor, he puts away 'B'. Or vice versa. NO!! 'C' believes in miracles today, 'D' doesn't really. We are to put away wicked people. Put away sinners. purge the church of sinners, fornicators and adulterers, drunks, idolaters and thieves. Put them out of the church. It's unfortunate that we tend to do it the other way round. A sinner agrees with your theology, then he is a brother. Yet, he is an unbeliever, perhaps an atheist or a fornicator. But then the same folk that accepts the fornicator goes on to make enemies with a brother because he thinks women should not wear headcovering and folks think otherwise. Brethren, this ought not so to be. Put away fom among you the sinner instead.

eeeyah no time oh. I'll be back soon by God's grace.

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No need to get defensive - if PK is out of line, the way to bring that to his attention is not by further insults. I'm not holding brief for anyone here.

i don't think i insulted him. I'm sorry though, didn't mean it as an insult but as a jolting question based on antecedents.