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Evil Brain: It's good that Seun is able to say this publicly. His family has never followed the crowd in terms of religion (including his second cousin once removed, Wole Soyinka) so I'm not that surprised.

In any case, we need more Nigerian atheists coming out like this. We need to start challenging the fanatics in the public sphere before they succeed in christianizing/islamizing the country.

him father came out openly before you were probably born. He was and is still ignored by serious minded people.

[quote author=Area_boy]mate, I hope you are not serious. All you are doing here is confirming the god of the gaps idea.


I didn't even bother with all of them cos I know you guys are kingpins when it comes to out of context readings. when you read a text out of context to fortify your position, you have to realise that some other people might actually read it in context.

i"ll start from verse ten of your Isaiah text.. context context context


using fancy colours when you write doesn't make you correct [/quote]kindly explain this esoteric context.

Though i bestow all my goods to feed the poor .........

musKeeto: Y so pissed? I thought Xtianity isn't a religion.. And doesn't the Bible say the love of many will wax cold?

Y so pissed?

you don't seem to understand what you're saying. i think you're trolling, whatever that means.

manmustwac: Seun Kuti is a protest singer. So him singing his protest songs against our corrupt Government & also travelling to london & around the world, seeing how others live better lives minus religion has opened his eyes to reality.

it's not news that his father and his family do not believe in God. it'd be more a surprise if he stated otherwise knowing his history and drugs.

advocate666: No man. Before I was born, Europe was ruled by the pope like the ayotallah does iran. Today, people are buying up churches in europe and converting them to residential buildings. Religion and god are dying. No amount of shouting "fool" will change it.

and the Pope is God? or political power is God? people have been saying God is dying and there is no God since B.C. keep living in denial, it helps your blood pressure.

kreamy28: Pls the guy or gal who said is only 144,000 pple that are going to make it to heaven,should pls read rev.7:1-17 but he shuld focus more on same rev7:4-10,he or she will understand betta.

people don't say such things except folks like Jehovah Witnesses. Some say worse though, that noone is going to Heaven.

Mind you, none of these were mentioned in any of the "holy" books.
Take a few seconds.. relax and marvel at our galaxy. Everything you see is contained in our milky way galaxy alone. except of course the last picture

This is nonsense talk by the way, the above quote,that is.
the scriptures plainly teaches the insignificance of man and of the earth. And its the very reason why God can and will easily punish mankind for all of eternity. Atheists usually think man as the big deal the real deal whom God should not and cannot punish in hell fire. Hear the scriptures and take away your eyes from insignificant pictures.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

Psa 144:3 LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him!
Isa 40:15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

Isa 40:17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isa 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

Job 9:12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?

Psa 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

The Spirit of God, who formed all things knew all these things before. That's why it is grace and unmerited favour that makes us significant before God. Sinners remain insignificant even though they may forever play the pity card, or the God is immoral card.

The work of parents is to monitor and train their children. Otherwise they have no business parenting, and should be barren.

@Ihedinobi
Thanks again for bringing up this thread. I very well understand and appreciate your post, just to make a little comment to further edifying.

I agree that prophecy in the NT is encouragement, building up etc etc, but it is no less directive than in the Old Testament. Prophecy actually is the declaration of the oracles/counsels of God. This is regardless whether we're talking OT or NT. Sometimes, these oracles carry foretelling of events, sometimes they don't but they're ever brimming with the heart of God.

Forgive my inaccuracy. i meant to use the word 'directed' instead of 'directive'. That is that the NT prophecies are not as direct as the OT's. In the sense that they are not PRIMARILY instructing others, giving directions, or telling them what to do. In the OT, you can have a foretelling very common with instructions on guiding the people to whom the prophecy was concerned. It is the system most want to use today, and most end up subjecting the other person. You'll see of some prophet telling a supposed child of God "don't go out", "don't marry so and so", "bring this or that". In the NT prophecies, there is no such PRIMARY demand. Each can hear God for himself. All the children can be led by the Spirit of God and don't have that need of 'prophecy' guidance and running to for the next step. This is what i was trying to discourage.

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

The prophet is the man who listens to the Lord's heartbeat and who sits in council with Him. The Lord's interests overwhelm Him and rule his life. As such, he can tell what the Lord is saying of situations and realities of his environment.

The Christian is, thus, by nature a prophet. The Christian is God's ladder between heaven and earth. He is God's means of actualizing His Purposes and Counsels on earth. He is also the Guardian and Custodian of these Counsels. One brother of ours, gone now to be with the Lord identified the living "creatures" (I understand that the correct translation ought to have been 'the livings' or perhaps, 'the living ones') of Ezekiel and Revelation and the cherubim of Genesis and the ark of the Covenant as symbols of the Church in that capacity. That makes perfect sense to me.

Agreed. Its proper to not though that while all christians can prophesy and should prophesy, not all christians are prophets. The PROPHET is an office in the body of Christ.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

That's about prophecy. I'm next interested in balancing this with that, for example, faith with works. Strictly speaking, there isn't exactly a balancing involved in Christ. It's absurd to, using the given example as an instance, to think of faith and works as two separate, um, well, entities or phenomena.

There is no such thing as faith where there are no works. And it is untrue that works can exist without faith. A variation of one bit of Scripture could easily be, "I believed, therefore I did" (original: 'I believed, therefore I spoke'). Even our brother James who spoke of this "balance" held that it was a lie to speak of faith where there are no works, hence his challenge for anyone claiming to have faith without works to present it offering himself to show his faith by presenting his works.

What exists in most of these "balancing" matters is essentially, at best, an imaginary, and at worst, an outrightly false dichotomy. Don't get me wrong, my brother, I did understand your point. My effort here is to take it a bit further.

The real deal is that everything in Christ has an underlying reality that gives it form, purpose and meaning. What I mean is that works are nothing if they're not founded upon Faith as far as Christ is concerned. Thus, the only works that God recognizes as such are works which are born of Faith. For Him, there is no work where there is no Faith. Same thing with Charity (Love) and spiritual gifts and everything else.

i wrote this thread in the context of many arising threads then(at that time) on the issue of speaking in tongues and of women ministering. It was in this light that i wanted to bring up a balance, in not outrightly condemning speaking in tongues, or women ministering, but striving for balance and moderation as advocated in scriptures. i support your position that there is TRULY no distinction or separation, but that true faith must have works and vice versa. They go hand in hand. But there is an audience that try to believe withou works, they are the ones i'm preaching balance to. Of course a faith without works is a NO FAITH or a DEAD FAITH. there is the othe sect like the atheists who try to impress with 'good' workd, not knowing that a work without faith is DEAD WORKS or NO WORKS. i understand, agree to and appreciate your position. Just trying to be all things to all men, so thst i might save some.

I think I should hold it here. In the course of discussion, if you'll entertain me, I'll bring in more.

Please go ahead beloved, no man(me first) is an island or omniscient.

@OP
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Not all text have a fixed interpretation as it were, as the word of God is quick/alive. No scripture is of private interpretation. All scripture has to be looked at in the context of ALL scripture. That is in the context of the whole Bible and of the Spirit of God. It's like you can't exactly and thoroughly conclude on the contents of a letter by its cover or by a part of the letter. For instance, you can't just read the address and make thorough conclusions or read just the ending. All of the letter should be read and then aimed at synchronisation, and with an honest attempt to understand. You need to understand that it is the same Author that is for all of the Scriptures. The Author is God.

@OP,
Be persistent. Like my brother said, Pray Until Something Happens. Be like Elijah. he prayed until something happened. Even though he knew God will answer him, he continued to check up, then he would pray again. Then check up and then pray again, until he received sound of abundance of rain. Its not unbelief to continue praying even if God Himself told you that your prayer is answered.
Jam 5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
Jam 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

Patience is not to be mistaken for laziness or slothfulness or indulgence. Men and women ought always to pray and not to faint. God will give you your heart desires. Be a Jacob-Israel.

advocate666: God is dying a slow painful death. Everyday, more and more people convert to atheism.

They've been saying this before you were born, even before your ancestors were born. Quit saying rubbish. Who again is the one that rejects the existence of God and jesus Christ but a fool.

frosbel: no one is going to heaven, keep deceiving yourselves !

We are all going to inhabit a newly rejuvenated earth.

At least I agree with the JW crew on this one.

you're in deeper failure, even the JW say some 144000 folks are going to heaven.

frosbel: What a confused bunch !!

The question should be , what do you love more about Christ.

smh

very carnal thought. 😛😛

i love the way he calls the word "tithe", very tight. lol

never was there a more confused fella as the op on nl.

God.

she's not born again.

size is not a sole class for significance. There are many man made structures like bridges, skyscrapers and machines that are not as significant as life or man, the crown of creation. We are only insignificant in relation to God.

and who is he?

taking notes improve memory, retention and learning in general. Plus you may need it later in life or someone else may.

Billyonaire: You are obviously daft! What I share here is hard doctrine and one of the first class secrets of humans of the highest echelon. You should have appreciated that I shared it freely.

your info is useless to people that believe in God.

chinnyonwu: If u add 9 to any number, it gives u a total of 9 more than the original number.
2+9= 11
11-2 = 9
Daft isn't it?

duh

glimpse: no wonder F9 is rated d highest level of failure.

very funny

why is the op so uninformed? why would atheists have no morality or claim not to have? The only basis for atheism is morality. who is fooled by the preposterous intellectual veil?

There are nine gifts of the spirit, and also nine fruits of the spirit mentioned in the Bible.

where's frosb? he needs to come read this article.

blessed hands. You want to give people in need, sorry, children in need and orphans phones with recharge cards! You're definitely not for real?

Sure, my brother you're fully permitted. i should respond tomorrow.

@op
of course they are responsible. That is their full time God given job, to train their children. So many Eli-like parents these days thinking child training is the responsibility of every other but themselves.

I'm not impressed. It's of no value and is the usual TB show-off. How's God glorified in all this? If anything, its a ploy to further draw the gullible into damnation and scoan worship. None is made righteous, or holy, or God conscious or heaven minded here. play another trick abeg, even my muslim friends dey always play this one.