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Unobviously, the article may not be far from the truth. An 'unbeliever' talking about discernment, gosh!

Unreal

OP, were you opening one eye during the prayers. i'm just trouble-shooting.

I did not bother to read through this, as i guess it should be the same with the other one i read in this thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-862600.0.html

This is NATIONAL SECURITY, IT should be on the frontpage. So many specific names and locations to be investigated if we're serious in this country. Much better than the headless, nameless cabal(s) we're often told of. Forget the islam distractions for now and focus on the named.

Wetin papi Jo no dey experience sef?

This is scary serious if true.

Because sin is of the devil. It's the devil hiding under sin and the serpent in his usual deceptive state.

Right. Not too far from every one of us.

dare2think:
^^^^^^

How does one 're-contact God'?

Are you in contact with God?

Ask musKeeto.

"The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children," (Titus 2:3-4).

Theosci, have faith. Your case is not as useless or hopeless as you're painting it. And you can prophesy. What does not appertain to you is to teach MEN.

i don't think i need to contact you, i think you need to re-contact God.

'interesting' exchanges. Which scholar's serving?

musKeeto, i warned you earlier. You're not very far, you can still come back. Compare your present to 6month's ago. Are you closer in walk with God? God's grace is still yours, you don't need all these present display.

Thanks Enigma, thou saved me from much trouble.

PA1982:
Let me get this straight- Paul's preaching is the word of god because it's the word of god.
OK. Are you referring to Acts 11 1-18?

"And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;"
"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, AS they do also the OTHER SCRIPTURES, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15,16).

Note the bolded. It should aid your comprehension.

Oops, seems i ruffled some 'theological' feather, sorry o!

PA1982:
Hmm.
Why should Paul's letters be considered the Word of God?

Because they are. Even Peter the fisherman knew that.

@image

Have you taking time to read your bible through.if you do I believe you will truly understand what the passage is talking about.i want to believe you know better

It seems it'll be good to re-visit this issue as it were for the benefit of some, and to be clearer to all. Observing the passage in context, literally and symbolically, the same decision should be arrived at.
  Firstly please, PLEASE, and PLEASE, these issues of hiding under guise that a particular scripture is only for one person or one town is wrong and should be done away with. We should not take away from God's Word or add to His words as is been done here, as from the 'theological colleges'. All scripture is profitable (2Timothy 3v16, and written for our learning. Don't say Jesus is talking to pharisee or to only Corinthians. It's God's Word TO us and for us. And if you're in doubt, the 1Corinthian epistle is clear enough as to whom this epistle is written to.
1 Corinthians 1v2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's.
It says the epistle is written, not only to the church of God which is at Corinth, but also among others to all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus. That being said, it's good that we look at the passage more closely.
 So, secondly, 1 Corinthians 14 is talking in summary about prophesying or edifying IN CHURCH, as against edifying one's self.
v1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
If you'd read through the chapter, you'd notice that 'speak' is used more in the sense of addressing the church, not in the sense of uttering a word generally. See (v3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men; v19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others;  v27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. v28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.). It's about speaking/addressing/edifying/teaching. The chapter talks on and on about the protocols and says it's observed in all the churches of God. It gets more specific to say
v34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
There's the bone of contention. Very clearly, it is " Let your women keep silence in the churches". Notices the plural word "churches". It's not just a one-off, one church of killing cats. It is churches and it's restated in 1Timothy.  it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded . The grammar and meaning is clear. It is not past tense, like "before it was not permitted unto them to speak, and they were commanded". They are commanded also saith the law. In other words 'it's the same thing as it was in the old testament. The command was not hinged on the culture around, or Paul's bias. It was connected to the law of God in the old testament. Paul was not a man to give in to popular demand, he conferred not with flesh and blood. Nothing could separate from the love of Christ, he was not ashamed of the gospel. This is from the Lord, commanded, not permitted. these are not vague statements.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What?
These are not statements of compromise, or to placate the tradition. This is definite, specific, to the harsh point. Now, when he says "speak", it's referring to TEACHING as expanded in 1Timothy 2 and as in the context of the chapter. cf (v28 But if there be no interpreter, let him[b] keep silence[/b] in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.//Let your women keep silence in the churches). Observe that the silence is that of addressing to teach/edify. he can, and she CAN speak to himself/herself and to God. So don't imagine it's a zombie or dumb setting, it is coming out as the teacher, the leader, the guide.
v37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that[b] the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord[/b]..
It's so clear, they are the commandments of the Lord. They are COMMANDS, not just from Paul, or from society or custom. It's unfortunate that some of our 'spiritual' people do not acknowledge that this is the commandments of the Lord.

1Timothy 2v 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Here again is the same injunction. this is not a Corinthian affair. It's a commandment to be kept unblameable. And he's even gracious enough to give us reasons for this command. Which do you think is more important, to understand the reason or to obey the command? It is to obey, the christian is to obey. One reason in 1 Corinthians is that the law ALSO saySsaid so. Here in Timothy, it's not women should keep silence because they are just hearing Bible, or their social status, or The woman could have actually gotten in a lot of trouble for behavior like that. None of all these gibberish excuses. the reason stated even pre-dates the law. It's Adam and Eve. Who cAN beat that, Adam and Eve- social status slave-behaviour like that-just hearing Bible among men. IT IS THAT For Adam was first formed, then Eve.. What a reason! Number 2 is And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Does this render the woman useless? No, of course not. there are 'a million and one' things to do in the body of Christ than to teach men. Even, not all men teach. It's usually one man, even in a large church. What then makes us so saddened that, of all the fruits given in this garden for me to eat, it is this one they say "don't eat" that my eyes are on, and will make me truly happy. It's the garden of Eden story playing itself over. The woman can evangelise. you are FREE to go into the world, billions of people out there, men and women. You can preach to them. Why is it the 20 people inside your church, even if they are 200 or 2000 or 20,000? Even in your church, you can teach fellow women (who are usually more in number than men), add the children in church to that. you can pray or be a prayer warrior, you can sing-solo, alto,tenor, soprano, duet, choir, chorus, anyone, you can usher, you can follow up, you can clean, you can be a member, you can be in the drama group, planning committee, you can give, be an example, bear and train up children etc. Why do we allow the devil to make us dissatisfied? Who's going to reward you? Is your chief reward going to come from teaching? I've already typed longer than i planned. i hope you get the message

Is it "cannot" or "will not". It should read "will not" IMO

Yes, it is a sin because you are CHEATING. Wait for your time, or ask for provision for internet service. God can do all things you know.

Lord Lugard?

yemi solar, don't 'want to be like aio when you grow up' o! Be like Jesus, and be yourself. Is that one contradictory or complementary, scholars?

Biox:
@bunmi
Nothing stops a women from preaching both outside and in church,
The reason for the above scripture is because, women had always been separated in the days of old,for several reasons.so they weren't really a part of the activities in the temple,they had limited information about the word of God, at the point they started hearing the word of God directly from the apostles,the all had questions because certain things sounded new to them.this was the reason for the above scripture.so if you have the opportunity go ahead and preach.

Is this just in your head, or it actually happened? what is conspiracy theory?

Why are we 'advertising' the national sports commission? Why do we copy 'advanced' countries only in these kind of things? I dey cry o.

Do you yahoo?

JeSoul:
Una talk say women no suppose talk or teach men now that's why I restrict myself accordingly I no wan step on any religious toes. But either way happy new snr brotha .

We no dey shurch na, today Tuesday. Se it's my toes that are religious? Next time, just marsh it and say 'sorry'. Let brotherly love continue ni.

Oju awon scholars o shee wo.

Seems i need to be here tomorrow?

Did you read the commentaries that you quoted?

When you can confidently say that you normally type using your head instead of your hands, i may say whatever you'd have me say.

JeSoulu. Na wa o, even if you don't greet me, i MUST greet you. Happy New Year. Where've you been my sister? Abi na because i follow talk say make women no teach men?

Jesus is equal to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is equal to Jesus Christ. phewww, there you have it said at last. chikena is not Chineke BTW