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On the Paul comments, please let's remember that Paul ministered more in the office of an Evangelist and Apostle (reminds me of Bonnke), he was not exactly a Pastor or Bishop, at least not for long. Bishops like Timothy, Titus were 'transfered'.

blink182:
For what na, somebody will be rotated in that will refuse to leave and fight to death.

In most cases, the unwilling rotated individual immediately hears 'a call' to start his church, in the process taking away more than half the members in his branch.

That goshen question na waec o, i think is 3 divisions sha. That is creation to eden,eden's fall to Christ's cross, Christ's cross to the end of the world?? i just say make i try ba.

HeHeHeHe
60. Proverbs 30v6. I hope say i no miss am sha.

goshen360:
I also support the highlighted statement of yours. Spiritual leaders cannot be rotated as I didn't see any of such practices in the bible but why do these spiritual head rotate their pastors? The church is not to be managed like worldly system but these GOs have made it like worldly system hence, there shouldn't be need to rotate their pastors since they themselves cannot be rotated. I hope you get my concern?

Okay, i get your concern. But it should be added that the rotation is part of ADMINISTRATION. It's not a worldly practice. Like i said, high priests were rotated in Bible days, priests and Levites had courses. David appointed Joab, then Amasa, then Joab. Paul had authority to send some to go and shepherd churches. It's a manifestation of the gift of ADMINISTRATION. Parents can direct, Shepherds can instruct. And many times, the church members would not even want a G.O rotation but would do okay with a parish leader or cell pastor change. Even the rotated pastors are not complaining?

dorox:
Hi Image 123,if you don't mind I would be very interested to see your reply to the very interesting points made by numo86

Interesting points? i thought they were complaints. Well, i can't 'answer' them as i'd wish at the present. When chanced(sorry it could be days) i'd try. iposted something expository on another thread recently though . It's also a Trinity thread.

@deepS, sorry o! Have a better weekend then. I must say, just any One of the Trinity would/could solve your breaks. If you asked Him.

Yeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeyeye ooooo. If not that i must not sorrow like an hopeless pesin(sniff). Well at least i go finish off with "have a happy weekend".

goshen360:
@ image123,
The poster raised an important question and that is the purpose of this discussion. The poster said, why do the GOs rotate the pastors and they themselves are not being rotated? Why must it be only the pastors only,if I may amplify the question. You and I have given same biblical position that spiritual leaders are ordained by God and cannot be rotated but the point in the question remains,since the pastor in branches are also ordained and sent by leading of the holy spirit,why are they the only ones being rotated? Except something is wrong somewhere.

Goshen,i've NOT said that spiritual leaders cannot be rotated. Whether they are rotated or not is no big deal to me. What i've added is that the 'accused' non-rotated leaders have biblical references to support their practice. Kings were never rotated in Bible days, but high priests were. They are both spiritual leaders. It's not rotation or non-rotation that makes us more acceptable to God. It's Christ Jesus. According to the OP, foursquare church rotates. Well, their founder wasn't rotated. It did not hinder God's move.

Deep Sight:
"the glory I had WITH thee. . . ." I think that says it all. Thats a clear reference to two persons and not 1!

You seem to lack basic knowledge of the Trinity doctrine. Everyone knows it is God in three persons. So what with your eureka moment? Do you even need anything on trinity or no trinity. You need Jesus Himself in your life.

Rotating or changing Overseers is also seen in the world, so it's not a question of G.Os copying world leaders. There's no specific Bible instruction that i know of that says leaders should be rotated or that leaders should not be rotated. If anything though, the non-rotated leaders have biblical principles, standards, types to hold on to. In the Bible, i don't see Moses the leader of Israel changed or rotated in the sense the OP speaks. I don't see Joshua changed, neither any of the Judges or Kings of the people of God. Subordinates,lesser rulers, captain of armies are changed/rotated like Joab-Amasa-Joab, high priests, but NEVER the CEOs/G.Os. I don't see Jesus rotating his disciples with another 12, or saying last year it was Peter, James and John. This year, let's see Thomas, Matthew and Philip. He wasn't rotating them like a soccer coach that rotates his squad. Even Jesus Himself is King forever, no rotation. Anyways, not my problem.

lolLY, Amen o.

Use google young lad.

Deep Sight:
^ But there is a struggle na. All power has been given to him. By whom? Who gives the power and who takes the power? The same person? He sits at teh right hand side of Someone. Sitting at the right hand side of himself. He approaches the throne and gives obeisance to God. And yet he is the same God. He is said to be subject to God. And yet he is the same sovereign God who is subject to none. He says the father is greater than him. And yet he is the same father. You cannot be equal to yourself. Once u talk about equality, you are referring to two entities, and not one. His disciple calls him good. He says o no, I am not good, only God is good. And yet, he is the self same God. I tire abeg. Make I jus sharrrap for hia before dem abuse me again.

OOPs, i see you're in some straits unfortunately. Sorry ehn, na spiritual matter, and am in no struggle whatsoever concerning this. thank you again. God the Son left His glory, to become the Son of man, Jesus the Christ. Hoping that may make little sense to you.
John 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
As/in position of man/Messiah, He had to be subject, learn obedience etc. But there was no such thing before C.E, neither is there in His essence as God the Son.

Ehnnnnnnnnnnnn, sha go to your class. The quiz is not for effico oo. Let brotherly luff continue.

Lasinoh:
I escaped. From "Religion"!!!! 
Christianity to be exact!
And you African Psychos who call yourselves "Christian"!!!

i was been literal LaSINoh. On a symbolic note, you can never escape Jesus, he loves you too. Plus, he's coming to get you. You can mark those words.

Deep Sight:
^ Bros stop struggling with all these lies. abeg just live according to conscience. simple.

i do not think i'm in a struggle as regards this. Thank you for your advice deepS

East:
- Prayers can be repeated, i mean a single phrase can be prayed until you recieve an answer e.g Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane prayed the same
prayer through out the midnight: Luke 22:4-42. Also read about the prophets, apostles and christian you will realise that there are particular times that
they prayed especially in the midnight hour.

We're saying the same thing in different ways. Iguess you missed the part where i wrote "Vain repetition though should not be confused with sincere prayer of importunity."

Have u read 1 corinthians 15:27 & 28,
Please read,

This is the passage, ihope?

1Corinth 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Corinth 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
My question to you is IS JESUS THE SON PRESENTLY/CURRENTLY SUBJECT TO GOD? Because that passage seems to read that when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him. Can you explain that part, cos it appears you're seeing something we're not seeing here?

EWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, see my life. i saved this page to reply. Instead make i refresh am to see say goshen don finish the thing. Goshen, go to your class oo.

I'm on FIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Q21. "Yea, for so much" ? Sapphira Acts 5v8.
Q22. "Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho"? Joshua Joshua 6v26
Q23. "Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men." ? Gamaliel Acts 5v35
Q24. "Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?"? God Joshua 7v10
Q25. "I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman."? Deborah Judges 4v9
Q26. "Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men." Paul Acts 20v26
Q27."Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?" Judas Iscariot John 12v5
Q28. "Let me die with the Philistines" Samson Judges 16v30
Q29. "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man saying we will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach" God(Isaiah saw it) Isaiah 4v1
Q30. "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." my man Stephen Acts 7v59
Q31. "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." Peter Acts 8v20
Q32. "Forty years old was I when Moses the servant of the LORD sent me from Kadeshbarnea to espy out the land; and I brought him word again as it was in mine heart." Baba Caleb Joshua 14v7
Q33. "The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brethren." my sister, the 5daughters of Zelophehad Joshua 17v4.

Let me leave the remaining seven for my brethren.

numo86:
@nuclear boy, please tell me what d expression "sit @ my right hand", please explain,
I'm not even lookin @ it from d physical aspect that Jesus will literally sit down on Gods right hand, i'm speaking from d symbolic view ,
That sitting @ 1's right hand shows subordinance,
Thats d point, Yahweh is the 1 exalting Jesus to even that position not Jesus assuming it,
There is virtually nothing that Jesus owns or have that wasnt given to him by Yahweh, All d power Jesus has was given & bestowed upon him by some1 greater, didnt u read when Jesus said he does nothing except what his Father tells him to do??Jesus recieves commands & he obeys quikly,
Jesus is to sit @ d right hand(subordinate)!!!, whether Jesus stands or sit does not affect his being lesser than Yahweh his Father, mayb u might start asking me if Yahweh is standing or sitting as well, symbollicaly speaking Jesus is still subordinate accordin to revelations
Have u read 1 corinthians 15:27 & 28,
Please read,

Stop building stuff from nothing in the air. God is at my right hand too(psalm 121), so from your deductions, God is subordinate to me.
Consider these two passages below, one talks of the Father at Jesus the Son's right hand BTW
Psa 109:31 For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

;d ;d ;d

gosh, goshen? You try no be small, clap for yourself. I lazy to task myself these days sha, but i'll recover. I still dey do push and press up.

Chei, i no try again sha. I don dey dull o, this next 10 hard more na. Lemme try.

11. ShorTest is John 11v35. Longest don hang for my head, between Isaiah and Psalms.
15. Pharaoh
16. King Hezekiah's time.
17. Ruth.
18. Peter.

i don try, lemme go and do press up for next round. Oya goshen, go ahead and thanks for ya patience.

LaSINoh, you're not yet in prison? Hahaha, good of you, abi na good for you.

Patience, patience. Next time, be patient until i answer it all. No gift o, instead go and seen no more.

Dare, it's a witch for Jesus. And that slap can kill you. Just stating it more clearly. Much love.

I'm not against real and unbiased CRITICISM but CONDEMNATION over little light-weight issues.

^you need revelation.

Greetings Ptolotolomeus, the one who shot me on the head recently?