₦airaland Forum

Tornadoz:
"What really happened" please don't bother visiting that site.         

Any one gullible enough to  believe anything on the terrorism awareness site would be the same person who will invest in my moon real estate.
A domain  infamous for turning truth on its head, a website that expect Palestinians to acquiesce
to the whims of Israelis to stay alive.
I survived  2mins of its indoctrination before closing the page for good. At the beginning they show
you how the Jews suffered in Germany and Russia and thats about the only truth.
Next you're confronted with the melodramatic footage of wounded Israelis. They won't tell you for
1 dead Israeli, there are 20 dead Palestinians. I expected them to be biased but was still shocked
at the affront to human decency.
Did Steven Spielberg have anything to do with it?  You can see his handiwork all over that movie.
Please visit www.outfoxed.org before venturing into this right wing and Jewish funded website.
Why would any one expect a film by David Fox "news analyst" Horowitz to tell us "What really           
happened"? more like what never happened.

Are you saying you can't bestir yourself to view a contrary opinion to yours?What an inadvertent admission that you have a closed mind.If you were confident in the validity of your position,you would not have a problem viewing an alternative viewpoint so that you can demonstrate clearly where they are wrong.

You are now urging people  to avoid viewing the site as if Nairalanders have an immature mind and cannot be trusted to draw their own conclusions.Its a telling expose of the vacuousness of your position.

@Tornadoz

Why can't you address the issues instead of addressing personalities?

People should watch this documentary to get a different perpective of the conflict in the Middle East  WHAT-REALLY-HAPPENED

Sorry but the world is going green and I hope it does, it is inevitable that Nuclear energy will replace oil. So those who have oil should rather wake up.

The world is also going for coal,which is hardly green.China is building one new coal fired plant every 7 to 10 days.As at 2004,there were plans by,China,India and the US, to build nearly 850 new coal power plants-http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.htmlAn excerpt from the above link:

By 2012, the plants in three key countries - China, India, and the United States -
are expected to emit as much as an extra 2.7 billion tons of carbon dioxide,
according to a Monitor analysis of power-plant construction data. In contrast,
Kyoto countries by that year are supposed to have cut their CO2 emissions by
some 483 million tons.

58 other nations have 340 new coal fired plants in various stages of development. There is tremendous growth in global energy demand,hence there is enough room for new suppliers of energy.

angel101:
why don't u comment on their short term plans i.e expecting to and actually declaring billions of naira in profit in a matter of months

What's wrong with a business expecting and declaring profit in a short time?We had one of the fastest growing GSM markets in the world,at a point,they had more demand for lines than they could supply.We have grown from less than a million lines connected to 27 million within a few years.That is the main thing that matters.This wouldn't have been possible if the market was not deregulated.Perhaps,you still want to go back to the "goold old days".

Again i ask how many had nitel phones? even if they had complained what percentage of the population was it?

Very few had phones because the market was not deregulated.You have to remember why the market was not deregulated in the first place.The rationale was on the same basis that we are using to justify the retention of fuel subsidies.The claim was that if we leave the telecoms sector to the private sector,they will seek to exploit the people,"milk people dry",to use your own terms. Hence,the Govt should have to intervene to provide telecom services to the people at affordable prices.Thus was born,one of the most expensive and inefficient telecoms sector in the world.

You seem to forget,then(prior to the influx of the likes of MTN) phone lines,like fuel,were actually scarce.It was hard to get a line in many parts of Nigeria.Today, this has changed.Why people don't want a similar reform process in the petroleum sector,beats my imagination.

Apparently,US journalists are more likely,nearly 9 in 10,to be left-leaning(Democrat sympathisers) than right-wing(Republican)-http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485

The pattern of donations, with nearly nine out of 10 giving to Democratic candidates and causes, appears to confirm a leftward tilt in newsrooms — at least among the donors, who are a tiny fraction of the roughly 100,000 staffers in newsrooms across the nation.

Confidence in the Democrat controlled Congress has fallen to historic lows-http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/06/what_do_hmos_an.html

Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.

This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973. The previous low point for Congress was 18% at several points in the period of time 1991 to 1994.

People did not complain about nitel tarrifs being increased at the inception of GSM true, but have u asked yourself how many people had nitel phones at that time and even today.

Did those who had NITEL phones complain?The clear answer is "No"! In the long term,we have benefited.

As for NEPA how can people know what the billing tarrif is when the electricity never comes anyway and people just cannot be bothered. Also i very much believe that like myself, a lot of people would not mind paying more just as long as they get the service. I for instance do not live in Nigeria but i have 2 generators in my house in lagos! whythen would i care what the billing is?

We used to have fairly steady electricity in Awka,Anambra State and even then a lot of people would not pay their electricity bill.If people are struggling to pay the very low electricity bills even in places with fairly steady electricity,they are not going to pay it where it is hiked to reflect the true costs.

Only in Nigeria can one see Nigerian citizens velebrating foreign companies coming over to milk dry and take advantage of the populace. You claim GSM companies would have packed their bags and gone had the govt not hicked nitel price in order for them to make profits. Where else do u see such a big company operating under such short term return plans? Elsewhere in the world, these companies would have a long term plan to recoup their mony. but in nigeria they want to cash in and cart away zillion in profit like yesterday and u find it justifiable.

I don't know why people keep repeating this mantra,"foreign companies are coming to milk us dry",that's utter nonsense.We need foreign companies to facilitate economic growth.These GSM companies have brought in investment,employment,extra tax revenues and have helped improve the communication infrastructure.According to the CBN,the GSM sector has played a big part in the faster economic growth we have had

This is what we need in the petroleum sector.We can't have it if the Govt continues to set the fuel price at a level below costs.If you are satisfied with the status quo-constant fuel scarcity-no problem.If you think we need drastic change,then we need full deregulation and that means fuel price will go up rapidly

mu431:
This is a typical neo-american/jewish propaganda!!!!!

Perhaps you thought by adding "neo",you might sound intellectually inclined.You fooled nobody.What is "neo-american/jewish"?

Afam:
Thank you for stating the obvious. The poster is blinded with hate towards the muslims and the arabs so would naturally and unconditionally support Israel regardless of the facts on ground (oops! he maintains that enough archeological findings by some people fully support the forced occupation and killing of innocent people).
So, it seems that gradually the die hard fans of Israel are beginning to agree that Israel lost the war it wrongfully waged in Lebanon.
Truth is sacred and can never be hidden forever. Let the lies come and we shall see them fall like a pack of cards.

Which part of the article do you disagree with?Was it the description of Hamas' goal as irreconciliable with the goal of a 2 state solution.Instead of addressing the issue at hand,you are busy blithering about the poster.

MILITIA:
Nigerian women can vote and drive yet see the conditions of the people in Nigeria! I think as a Nigerian woman, I will rather live in Saudi Arabia!

So you are saying you will rather give up your freedoms in preference to your country becoming a wealthy Islamic fundamentalist state? Its one thing to go to an Islamist state to work/study,its quite another if your country of origin becomes a Wahabist enclave.

Some Ghanian politicians will be phoning up Swiss bankers at the moment What about the coastal people?They might demand,like MEND,that the oil revenue be spent in their region.Soon terms like "derivation" and "resource control" will become part of the lexicon of the Ghanaian political elite.

Yes, it is a bad news for Nigeria.
I don't know why you keep on focusing on Nigerian's leaders of today. These folks will not be there forever, we should focus on tomorrow. And I think with competent and dedicated leaders, Nigerian oil will continue to make Nigeria the giant of Africa for many many years. The last thing we need is competition coming from our next door neighbor.

How is this competition?Demand for oil outstrips supply.Its not like Ghana is going to steal our customers.Also,the oil discovery, at 600 million barrels,is puny.It does not in any way rival Nigeria's huge resources.

I don't understand why some people view this as a competitive threat to Nigeria.Global oil demand will still outpace supply for the coming years.The oil find,600 million barrels,is not particularly significant.Its good news for Ghana as it reduces their import bill and good news for the regional economy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6764549.stm

ogbdcm:
@Iman
ive got an admission for sempter

To read what? Anyway,its the internet.You can claim anything you want.Carry Go!

chidichris:
I-man,
u are funny.
2.2 million barrels of oil what about other mineral resources in nigeria.
what about the countries wiithout 1 barrel of oil?

The poster drew comparisons with Saudi Arabia and I was trying to show him the key difference between the Saudis and Nigeria.The Saudi leadership is just as corrupt and inept as that of Nigeria.The key difference lies in the oil output.In any case,Saudi Arabia shouldn't be be implied to be,one of "the most civilised nations in the world".

ogbdcm:
worried about 17800pounds bills am supposed to pay for my Post graduate school fees at Imperial college

Na lie,you no dey Imperial College See this man sef

Bringing in technocrats like Iweala,Soludo et al was a positive move.The economic reforms embarked on are OBJ's greatest legacy

debosky:
figures for 1999 are sketchy, and very disputable, it is generally thought of to be have been ~2000MW when he came in,

Generally thought by who? The figures are disputed but I seem to remember it was closer to the 3000MW mark.It was shortly after he took office,towards the end of 1999,that output fell to around 2000MW prompting suggestions of sabotage.

@Debo

What was the total power generation output when OBJ ascended office and what was it when he left?

Sorry, when you say leftist do you mean far-left and rightist far-right? Like the Democrats (far-left) and Republican (Far-right)?

The far left are the more hardline members of the left and vice-versa for the far-right.

Afam:
1. So, you are now defining rigging for us abi? Well done. Maybe Bush manipulated honestly for public gains.

If you had a modicum of intelligence,you will know that there is something odd about you claiming that Bush "manipulated" the elections while his opponent,Gore,has never claimed that Bush manipulated the elections.Gore has never said Bush manipulated the elections,talkless of honestly/dishonestly for public/personal gains.Maybe you have been hearing Gore's voice in your head telling you different

2. With a wonderful judicial system in the US it is interesting to see that the winner of a free and fair election will be heading to the Supreme court to determine the legality or otherwise of an election that was being contested.

What are you babbling about?His opponent lost 5 straight cases at the District court level and appealed succesfully to the Florida Appellate Court.Bush appealed that decsion to the Supreme Court.If Gore having lost 5 cases at felt the need to appeal,is Bush supposed to sit on his hands?

Afam:
Al Gore contested the election result up to the supreme court and here you have a Nigerian talking nonsense about Al Gore not claiming the 2000 elections were rigged.

Maybe Al Gore went to the courts (up to the highest court in the land) to ask for ice cream and pizza, clueless imposter, abeg make I hia word.

You have a remarkable ability to immolate reason.Bush appealed to the Supreme Court,not Gore.Gore appealed to the Florida Court of Appeal after loosing all 5 court cases at the District Court level.Only the Florida Court of Appeal gave a decision in favour of Gore.

To rig is "to manipulate dishonestly for personal gain".No where has Gore ever alleged that there was a dishonest attempt to manipulate the vote against him.The basis of his legal case was a demand for a hand recount on account of technical errors.Neither him nor any of the Senior Democrats allege the elections were manipulated.

Afam:
The shameless liar at it again. Reproduce anywhere in the world where I said (or better put, wrote) that I am a leftist.

My bad.It seems it was Tornadoz that made the comment.Wouldn't want to go through 1527 posts of inanity.However,your leftist credentials are glaringly obvious to anyone who has debated you on this forum.

Meanwhile do not divert attention from the documentary, it has nothing to do with Moore's views, the footages were real clips by the participants, not actors or actresses and that makes the documentary real

The documentary is tendentious and farcical.No wonder Democrats don't repeat the accusations made in it.No where would you see Al Gore or any of the senior Democrats claiming that the 2000 elections were rigged.Why cry more than the bereaved?

Did you say it has nothing to do with Moore's views?What a load of tripe? Moore is an avowed leftist who campaigns and spends his money for the Democratic party.

Talking about things to watch.You should watch this:WHAT-REALLY-HAPPENED

Afam:
Saw the documentary over 2 or 3 years ago. It is a good one for an openminded person certainly not for someone with a stiff mindset though.

An open minded person?You are the very anithesis of open mindededness.You said yourself that you are a leftist.The documentary maker,Micheal Moore is an avowed leftist,and surprise,surprise,you agree with his views.

jesusfreak:
everyone knows Bush rigged his way into power so we're not at all surprised its just a lesson Nigerians can learn from.

Everyone?Not even the Democratic party,not even Gore,has ever claimed the elections were rigged.You,all the way from Lagos,claim to know better.

Christians getting worked up because of Islam.Understandably,if you a Palestinian Christian:[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6718545,00.html[/url]

[b]GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - A school and convent belonging to the Gaza Strip's tiny Roman Catholic community were ransacked, burned and looted during clashes around a major security headquarters, the head of the community said Monday.

Crosses were broken, a statue of Jesus was damaged, and prayer books were burned at the Rosary Sisters School and nearby convent, said the Rev. Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church.

The damage took place Thursday but wasn't reported until days later because of the chaos that has prevailed since Islamic Hamas militants wrested power in Gaza, Musallem said. The religious compound is located near a key security headquarters Hamas captured Thursday on the final day of its Gaza takeover.

Gunmen used the roof of the school during the fighting, and the convent was ``desecrated,'' Mussallem said.

``Nothing happens by mistake these days,'' he said.

The doors of the convent were knocked open with mortars and furniture was damaged. Prayer books in the chapel were burned, crosses were broken, and a statue of Jesus was damaged.[/b]

Imani:
I am surprised you haven't included "God fearing" like most Nigerians are "conditioned" to do.

Can someone explain what "God fearing" means.Are we supposed to be in a permanent state of angst and trepidation over God's vengeance?

The  qualities I want :

1)The only daughter of a wealthy parent

2)A recovering nymphomaniac

3)Gravity defying mammary glands(NASA must be studying it for anti-gravity)

_{An impersonation of Kitaun}

WHO ARE ALL THESE IDIOTS ON THIS THREAD

MUSTAY!NA JEDI JEDI DEY WORRY YOU? 

I-MAN/4 PLAY!YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE.YOU AND YOUR ERECTIONS FOR ARSENAL

TAKE ALL YOUR RUBBISH TO YOUR OWN THREAD

GUNNERS

I am one of those enviro-sceptics.I doubt whether the science on Global Warming is strong enough to establish that it is anthropogenic.Unfortunately,the Global Warming movement has become an article of faith with no tolerance of alternative views.

[url]http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2106689,00.html[/url]

[b]China has overtaken the United States as the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, figures released today show.

The surprising announcement will increase anxiety about China's growing role in driving man-made global warming and will pile pressure onto world politicians to agree a new global agreement on climate change that includes the booming Chinese economy. China's emissions had not been expected to overtake those from the US, formerly the world's biggest polluter, for several years, although some reports predicted it could happen as early as next year.China has overtaken the United States as the world's biggest producer of carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas, figures released today show.

The surprising announcement will increase anxiety about China's growing role in driving man-made global warming and will pile pressure onto world politicians to agree a new global agreement on climate change that includes the booming Chinese economy. China's emissions had not been expected to overtake those from the US, formerly the world's biggest polluter, for several years, although some reports predicted it could happen as early as next year.[/b]