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Igbo Will Go To War   
Published on February 13, 2012 by TheNEWS·   11 Comments
"Chief Ralph Uwazuruike, leader, Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra, MASSOB, tells OKAFOR OFIEBOR that the Igbo are ready for war against their killers in the North"

abuc:
How much has the struggle for the actualisation of a sovereign Biafran state cost you?

It is unquantifiable. A lot of my members have been killed by paid security agents. My liberty has, at various times, been assaulted with impunity by the powers that be. So much money has been invested in the struggle to date. We have suffered casualties even when we adopted an approach that is non-violent to bring down the number of casualties. But Nigeria, being what it is, with overzealous security operatives, keeps killing my members without provocation. . .

http://thenewsafrica.com/2012/02/13/igbo-will-go-to-war

Considering he's the head of a Biafran group committed to seeing a separate country materialize, I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise.  This separatist mindset seems to be taking hold and getting more people's attention, if not outright support, and not only amongst pro-Biafrans either.  Not mine anyway.  We'll see. 

He's kinda young-looking to be a chief. . . as they say, black don't crack.

https://thenewsafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Ralph-Uwazurike3-298x300.jpg

  Ah!  I see.  No problem.  This is not a proposal.  lol.  But it's a good song for Valentines Day. 

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Honestly, it's no use getting worked up over it anymore.  The fact is, everything has its season.  Before Nairaland, there were other hot sites and forums.  Aso Rock, Livejournal, Nigerian Village Square, etc.  Popularity waxes and wanes.  It is the posters that keep this place buzzing, and it appears that lots of them, including myself, are fed-up for various reasons, and are looking for alternative forums.  Therefore, do not get mad, get even.  Find a site that is more to your liking, spread the news quickly.  And lickety split the new forum takes off like a house on fire!

mukina2:
no i dont play with my enemy we only do threads for the big clubs totteringham hot spuds na pikin club

MukiMuki, Why you didn't tell me there was a match today? 

Wow!  See campaign.   But I have to clarify, that I was supporting the move for an all-inclusive History section or subsection (of _ _?), and not one just for Yorubas.  No offense.   Good luck all the same.   

OAM4J:
BTW, Isale gan is not a bro, Isale gan2 is a SHE, I was already discussing with Oba of Lagos about marrying her before she dumped my broke Bottom for  . . . i dont know who 

You better stop.  "Communists" don't care about money or who's a broke bottom and who's driving a benz.  Tell another story!    You prob don't even know if I'm girl or guy. 

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Congratulations to OAU! 

Almost all my family and extended relatives who didn't go abroad went to Ife: sibs, cousins, aunts, even next door neighbours; a couple of lecturers too.  Recently found out that another relative had graduated from there a decade ago.  I know with certainty I would have gone there as well if I hadn't jetted out. 

Happy 50th!

pcicero:
. . . It was during Legacy's tenure that the killings took place on July 10,1999. I was staying in Awo and had barely left the Kegites coronation at Awo Cafe when the shootings started. I was at New Buka earlier on with friends and some union guys (most of whom were my firends) came to tell us that they heard some cultists were planning to attack. . .

Two of my siblings were at Ife at that time.  Very unpredictable times.  Strikes all the time.  They tripped back home a lot then.

  This Mynd44 guy is depressing.  Everywhere I go, I see him dishing out some bitter comment or harassing bloggers for starting threads on NL. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-860808.0.html#msg10100222

On topic: Romantic thread.  Carry on.

This is getting sooooo off-topic!  Yes, I concur that History and Politics almost always go together.  I majored in Political Science and half of my electives were History courses.

Sorry all.    I initially proposed the History section MAINLY because the Politics section here on Nairaland can be a hindrance to effectively discussing some of the issues that we're attempting to address this thread.  Now that we have been told that NL is actually leaning towards reducing the number of sections. . .  

Let's move on and return to the topic.  


P.S. Negro, you're a determined Omo Eko.    But I am not bothered either way.  People are becoming aware and a thirst for knowledge will only spring further.  The interweb is a huge place.   BTW, I think someone else first mentioned History section; I only expanded on his idea. 

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[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=864525.msg10162313#msg10162313 date=1328827400]I think I will ask OAM4J or Jarus to see what they can do for us in this regard.  It will be a central collection of highly valuable and informational materials dealing strictly with the race.[/quote]Negro,
I saw your request to the Politics Moderators.  I guess you wanted their input so the thread could be stickied?  Were you thinking of something like this? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-231017.0.html

Let's see about getting an History Section.  Regardless, I'll be happy to spend some time finding and linking relevant Historical threads and indexing them.  It might be better to have input from other posters as well, by having them recommend threads to be added to the index.

                                                 NAIRALAND NEEDS A HISTORY SECTION
After glancing a post where this was suggested, I have thought about it and fully support it, and have concluded that History Section is exactly what should be requested of Seun.  I make bold to say that it is actually the most essential section that is needed here.  So many of our people are busy copying others, ignorant of their own forebears' greatness, thinking that they walked Unclad climbing trees and eating bugs before colonisation.

Politics section is mostly a place to discuss Current Affairs or Breaking News, and to Debate Policy.  Culture section is good for certain things.  

But Culture is not the place you think of when opening a thread to discuss warfare tactics through the ages, or the right place to share data about events in our history pre-civil war, during colonization and even way before Westerners or others dreamt of coming down the Atlantic to West "Africa."  There are hundreds of topics that can be perused and analysed in the new History Section, I can just picture it.  It will also be a place that will attract lots more readers, including older posters who are sick of the tribal nonsense and just want to discuss subjects in a mature and scholastic way.  There is a million reasons to do this. . .

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=867026.msg10160837#msg10160837 date=1328812264]Being born to military or diplomat parents on foreign soil is an obvious exception, don't you think?

One of our major problems in Nigeria is that, people who have lived in areas for 50 or more years, including those who are born in the same areas, are denied full legal rights, property rights, and even the right to contest for political offices in those areas.   We must stop this abusive acts if we are going to progress as a nation.  Why must ndigbo or Yorubas who have lived all of their lives in the North be deemed as "foreigners" simply because their ancestral homes are a misely several hundred miles away?  Why must a Northerner who lives in the South suffer the same fate?  This is the issue I am trying to highlight here.

Progress is when an Igbo man can become the governor of Lagos state, and a Hausa man, a governor of Enugu - so to speak.[/quote]Nice speech if genuine.  But people can still decide where they want to be buried.  

It just seems outrageous to expect a rebel leader to be buried amongst people that he fought.  Anyway, I don't want to have a contentious discussion about it.  So long.  

OP, the place where you were born is not always where you consider your homeland.  I would not rest if they were to bury me in America (God Forbid it!).  I'm sure you've heard of, or met, people who were born to military or diplomat parents on foreign soil, they don't consider themselves foreign citizens nau.

BTW, Does anyone know why he hasn't been buried yet.  Sorry, it is shocking to me.  No disrespect o.  We bury our dead within 24hours unless there are extreme circumstances. (To some, no reason is good enough for delay.)

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=864525.msg10155516#msg10155516 date=1328769688]Isale_Gan,  I agree that pre-colonisation post is a very good read.  A summary collection of heroes, very good and instructive.  You know what, is it possible that we can have an index repository containing links to these highly valuable topics?  So there is a single point for the record keeping, instead of scattered all over.[/quote]I've thought about that proposal, but I am not sure of the best way to go about it.  Would we want to create a separate thread for that or simply post a list of links in each pertinent thread?  We can always add more links.

dayokanu:
i first.

na me first talk oooo

Frosbel no do Ojoro.

I have the first option

You prob will get to the head of line since you speak Hausa. lol

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=864525.msg10136664#msg10136664 date=1328555900]Either this gets moved to the Culture section or[b] I put up thread on Igbo history[/b], preferebly Afikpo, or in fact, where ever in Igbo land. [/quote]Please do. I'd like to read. Politics or Culture - doesn't matter.

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This is a nice picture as well.  For the longest time, I think it was the only one (or one of two max!) of the late Akintola, that was available online.  The large one above that DK posted must be newly posted online, because I remember searching for some a couple of months ago and it was like pulling teeth!


Shymmex, In addition to the NL Culture section topics referred by Negro, you should also check out the thread I linked earlier re: Great Leaders Pre-Colonisation.  That one is in Politics section.  If I link it one more time, it will feel like self-promotion.

What gall some have to tell others what discussions they can or cannot have! How 'bout I am tired of seeing the whiners who have nothing to contribute but bitching and moaning.

Remedy for for your headache:
Go to your Notifications on your profile page, un-click this topic and you will no longer get reminders for future posts.

It's not by force. Have some respect for others. Undoubtedly, in 32 pages, there is some knowledge being dispensed. Anyone who reads (our Edo citizen) PhysicsQED/MHD's post can attest that he's a very smart and scholarly guy, as well as many others who have posted here - despite the distractions. If you can't see that, then find something that interests you, e.g., Romance, Sexuality, Celebrities, Music, Religion. The possibilities are endless.

buzugee:
HAHAHA you are so right. i shall revert to bashing black people self hate is ubiquitous amongst our people how are ya ? were you been hiding at ? politricks section ?

I'm everywhere and no where.   

Actually, I think my posts are more spread out now.  Good to see ya. 

Buzugee bro,
Watch out for the White apologists. They'll stone you in a heartbeat. You can say anything about how the black people are cursed, and you'll get a lot of them nodding their heads "that is so true!" Why not try that? lol.

Capello take style avoid embarassment in Euro.

That could be it.  Reminds me of when Mourinho quit Chelsea the day before going to Man.U's turf.  Perfect timing. 

They should never have hired Capello in the first place though.  Disgraceful that a country like England would hire a foreigner to manage their national team when there are innumerable Englishmen who are certified coaches and managers.  I don't even like when Nigeria or other successful African teams hire foreign managers.  I understand doing that in the last century, but not anymore.  

I maintain that the patriotic fervour does more to spur on a team more than the coach.  One example, and you can quibble with it if you want, is the Germany team at 2006 World Cup.  I saw how everyone was lauding Klinsmann.  I watched all their 2006 matches until they lost to Italy.  Klinsmann was a great player - I remember watching him in the another world cup tournament (I think 1994 or 98 - memory fuzzy) where Germany that impenetrable defense wall and they ended up winning the cup. But he was overrated as a coach/manager.  Germany outperformed because they were on home turf.  In the beginning, everyone knew he wasn't up to par, but as the team held on, people started giving him the credit.  Bull!

Point is, when possible, get your own countryman to lead.  Spain won the Euros in 2008 with that crotchety old racist guy and the same team, without him, won the World Cup 2 years later.  Del Bosque reaped rewards of the old man's work.

Isn't is true that no country has ever won the world cup with a foreign coach!  Correct me if that is wrong.  And the fortune they were paying that arrogant guy!    He was fired by Real Madrid, so why put all your hopes in him?  He campaigned like a sun of a gun for the post and made himself bigger than he was.  They're have done better hiring the Italo-Brazilian, Scolari, at the time.  England need to get their act together.

Nigeria better learn from this.  When it's our time, A Naija coach will be in charge.

Katsumoto (and Kilode),
I don't mean one nation-state. That would be impossible.  Even North America is not one country.  I just meant unification based on shared interest and preservation, knowing we're really one people that must stand against imperialism and recolonisation.  Anyway, the discussion may be too extraneous to this topic.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=864525.msg10152083#msg10152083 date=1328722825]Can I get on that soapbox? Thank you.

Ok here it goes;

I understand the need for unity and all that Pan African, Pan Nigerian good stuff, it's a valid argument, but it's hard to force unity upon yourself in the face of untold hardship and pure exploitation. Yes, I too want Nigeria to remain united but when that unity is an impediment to Development, a tool for control and a yoke that is pulled and controlled by a minority group of overlords it's hard to see the need for it.

Unity in Nigeria was the song our Military controlled Government sang for several decades, it was their main tool of control, the excuse upon which many acts of inhumanity were based and explained away.

Yes. we cannot rule out conflict even in the most homogenous of societies, afterall brothers from monogamous homes do fight, but it becomes too big to swallow when that idea of unity is a tool of oppression in itself.

For example, Gowon, after the Biafran war declared no victor no vanquished, which was one the dumbest statements ever made by a Nigerian leader. The mentality that brought about that declaration from Gowon is the prevalent mentality in Nigerian leadership, I'll explain:

Gowon, through that statement, rolled into motion another 3 decades of Ostriching, his inability to deal with the main Nigerian questions. Which is "why are we together" what is the basis of our unity? What are the binding ideals of this nation? Led us to where we are today, of course Gowon did not create Nigeria, but he wasted a great opportunity by hiding the cause of that war under the idea of "no victor no vanquished"

I told that story because I see many defenders of unity doing the same. Unity is not a virtue if it's resultant effects are oppression, poverty and disillusionment, we cannot have unity in the absence of liberty, freedom and equality.

Those egalitarian principles are missing in this country. We've had several opportunities to correct and reset it, but we've constantly failed to take advantage of them. So I seriously sympathise with those who are calling for a foundational shake-up or even a break up, something that will radically force us to answer the questions demanded by our forced togetherness.

Until we answer those fundamental questions, this faux unity will remain a liability, a very good tool in the hands of those who seek to profit from our chaotic arrangement.

The lessons of the Kiriji wars are clear in this context, unity is possible, but it must not be based on fear and oppression. It must be in the spirit of shared values that are tempered with egalitarian principles. No idea is more important than our collective well being. Even unity.

I now step down from the soap box  [/quote]To be honest, I am more for a united Africa than a united "Nigeria."  I don't even care for that imposed name - for lack of a better alternative, I prefer Naija or Naijiria.  A divided Nigeria would make a united Africa less likely, opening us up even more to outside manipulation and neocolonisation.  You can just imagine the aftershock of what a smaller and less "powerful" Nigeria would mean to the continuing survival, not to talk of progress, of African peoples.

You've made a very pointed cogent and succinct defense of your stance.  What can I say?! lol. You're speaking for a lot of people, as reflected in all the thumbs up your post is getting.

I am not critiquing the Kiriji wars on its own.  I made my post because the discussion led me to a place where I had to express my concerns about what may turn out to be a very regrettable outcome of Naija's affairs.  I have always believed this.  

Instead of Naijas to deal with the problems we have, people, not yourself, let regional and tribal sentiments get in the way - to the point where they cannot make any moves or see any progress unless "those other people" (of different culture and different religion) are out of the way.  I suppose I understand.  It's human nature.  The problems of Naija is so massive and far reaching and the suffering of the people is so complete, most can't take care of their most basic needs, not to talk of plannig for the future.  We all feel it acutely. 

You mention Biafra war, Military, lack of egalitarian principles, corruption.  All these problems will still exist in any new "baby-Naija" but now each will find other scapegoats for their problems.  Isn't the government made up of the different people of Naija?  So is the military - as it was during the war and after it.  When the country is divided, the same "leaders" will claim to represent the people.  A man like Obasanjo will still be in that new country of yours.  Probably still in control in front or behind the scenes.  Think about it.  Would you be better off?  If you want to overthrow, overthrow them now.  Or you will have to deal with the same "ruling class" later on.  

But what will be will be.  


All right.  Back on topic:  I am sure Negro was being facetious; he knows who Lisabi was. 

seanet02:
This is a war fought by Cowards??
Lisabi Agbongboakala will have defeated even the union of all those fighting without even moving his hand.

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Comic relief.  https://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/21.gif


hmmm.  Where have I heard that cutting with a sword by just thinking about it comment before?

hercules07:
@Negro

We are talking about 17th - 19th Century Yoruba, we learnt a lot from them, we were not inferior but they were more enlightened.

You're just making it worse! 


P.S. I am referring to the original comment (the way I understood it) about any culture, Europeans included, bringing Yorubas/Africans "civilization."