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2 hours of interrogation from her fiance of 18-months before she would admit she has a child? That's a hardened soulless person.

Dump her like a bad habit!

Odumchi,

Good thread, good skills; A for effort.

Education should be free at all levels to anyone who wishes to learn and improve himself and society. Absolutely!

If an 80-yr old decides he wants to learn something that has always interested him but he was too busy working and providing for his family, being a productive member of society, paying his taxes, passing on his knowledge, or even spending his prime having to fight some stupid war, etc, but he is now ready to fulfill his dream, I support financing that too.

An educated populace is nothing but a a positive thing. Even if the thieving politicians don't see it that way.

I did not go through NYSC seeing as I studied and still mostly reside abroad.

You need more opinions of those who actually completed the Youth Corps to arrive at a conclusion. I myself am curious to see responses.

Good luck (is 2 words! )

It's more common over the last 15 years to see African artists aping Americans. But, they can never out-ghetto the Americans. A true talent will bring out the excellence and beauty in his own culture. All these fly-by-night clowns. Give me authentic artistry of Sikiru Ayinde Barrister and the Yoruba movies or the others promoting African culture any day.

Nonsense copycats are these fools.

Keep on raising the important questions, brother Igbo2011.

BTW, do you understand a little Yoruba? Good of you to not retaliate to the insult I saw directed at you. Stay focused. And on message.

Go on then, Broda Dudu Negro. Good job.

BTW, GenBuhari, sorry I have not fulfilled my volunteer work on the other thread either. I also have other pressing issues that prevent me from having the focus to research what we previously discussed. Pele joo. Say "Hi" to your namesake for me.

Richvkunt: The advise I have for those women AND MEN always bringing their problems online is be careful which advise you take,because a lot of the women AND MEN you come to for advise are in MUCH worse relationships than you are AND COME ONLINE TO OPPRESS OTHERS SO AS TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEIR OWN LIVES. . .

Fixed.

(PS: Good post overall; Slight fix.)

debby999: Dear married women and men,pls I need your advice on this issue. I just had a baby boy and still on recovery, my sister inlaw came and Since then my peaceful home has turn to war zone. As am writting this I feel like runing away with my little boy.This lady has never talked to me since she came into the house.she is type that does my "brother's house I don't send anybody".Big war started the day I finished cooking and was about dishing food this lady went to pot and started taking her own. After she finished the eating, I called her and explain to her as I should to my younger ones, that it was not right for her to take the food I just finished cooking without letting me knw. Most times they will take all the meat in the food. The next day my husband called me that her siSter reported me to him. So I told him and he to said it was right. I didn't knw they have tabled the matter with their other sisters and all of them called me and saying I must allow their sis. To go the pot anything anytime she wants which I refused,she was just calling me names. I was suprised when she said my husband supported that the lady should be allowed. My husband came in I told him all that happened,he couldn't stand on his ground to defened his wife infront of his sisters. I felt unprotected. The last one that happened that made me write this was the day my husband brought up dat issue again,bcose he noticed his sister has not been eaten the food in the house. He said I have to treat his sisters with care and piortity and if I don't treat them dat way, bcose a always insist on the right thing, dat anything I see I should take.I told him since you cannot give me protection I have to let my parents knw about incase anything happens to me.called my parents to let them. My baby started crying I bathed him and gave him the baby so I can prepare his food. On bringing the food to feed him,my husband pushed me out, took the food frm me and gave his sister to feed him. Carried me up and threw me on the bed, my hand hit the wardrobe, I was carrying. I dressed up to get a recharge card to let my people knw, he carried me up again and threw me on thE bed. I have to sneaked out late at night when he was sleeping. I called them and I was scared to go back again, I remebered my baby I had to go back. When I got back he has gone out to look for me, I opend my room to sleep, I found his sisters sleeping on my bed, I left them and slept on the couch. I asked the little girl he said my husband told them to sleep there. Am no longer feel protected with him. Since he can humulaite his wife in the presence of his sisters. Waiting for advice. Sorry for the errors, typed it in hurry so I can attend to my baby. ThAnks all.

debby999: @feminie are u married? If my own sisters would cook and ask me to come and dish the food. I would explain someone dat wil almost push u down,struggling with u in ur own. All in the name of my brothers kitten. I bought everything dat kittchen. Do u that kittchen is a woman's department. My husband agreed with me only to turned back me when his sisters confronted him.

Interesting. I would ordinarily be predisposed to take your side. But your story is full of holes, deliberately told in a manner to make you look the injured party.

Lots have been said by others already, and I cannot read all the posts, but I will only address one glaring issue:

If you left the house in the middle of the night and your husband was so worried he also left the house to look for you, who was it that was caring for your infant that you left behind? The sister(s), right? So, if you have your own room, wouldn't that mean that your baby likely sleeps with you in your bed or a crib next to your bed. It would be reasonable to expect that whoever is caring for the baby would be in the same room with the baby, no? I think that explains you finding her in your bed.

Nevertheless, it's time for your sister in law to go. She already is reticent about eating your food anyway, to avoid more drama. So, it looks like all the women are tired of each other. Just do the needful and carry on with your lives. Good luck.

Benedict Wachira - PanAfricanism, Socialism, Kenya, Music, Poetry, Art and History
RE:
Simone Gbagbo: Beaten, Tortured and probably sexually harassed by Ouattara soldiers

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The first time I came across a photo of Simone Gbagbo was in January this year, at a West African news site that I occasionally follow (allwestafrica.com). She was at a rally in support of her husband, Laurent Gbagbo. The husband was not present at the rally. The site then posted some other pictures in mid march, where she had attended a prayer rally for peace in Ivory Coast. Again, her husband was not there. That was when I developed some interest and googled her name, and I was really stunned to read a little about her. The next time I saw her photo, at the same site, was a day after 4/11, and the above photo was one of them. Since then, these 4/11 photos have been written about and distributed around with words like “Gbagbo deserved this,” “Gbagbo and wife caught in a bunker!” “African dictators should learn from this,” “Kudos to the French, now we go to Zimbabwe, hope Grace is watching,” “Did Gbagbo have to put his family through this?” and many other sickening comments.

[b]Successful African women
There have been many attempts to destroy the fame, character and public perception of Female African Revolutionaries, Female African freedom fighters and Successful Female African Politicians (especially those politicians who are independent of the west.)

In some earlier article, I wrote about Field Marshal Muthoni, a Kenyan guerrilla Independence war heroine, who rose to the rank of a Mau Mau General, but has had a total blackout by the former and current governments and from other institutions such as the media, yet she is still alive and strong. Stories about Winnie Mandela are always focused on her alternative love life and little about her role in the anti-apartheid struggle. And there are many other strong women who have been given the same treatment. Even heroines from the past, heroines such as Mekatilili wa Menza and Wanje wa Mwadorikola who led men in the coast in resisting the British Colonialists, a hero like Muthoni Nyanjiru, who led women in probably the first nonviolent protest recorded in Colonial Kenya, a Heroine like Taitu Betul-the decisive Ethiopian empress who led the resounding defeat of the Italian Colonialists in the battle of Adowa, and many other female heroines.
It is this treatment of our past women heroines, coupled with religious chauvinism that has undermined the rise of women into decision making positions, and has also brainwashed most Africans, both Male and Female, into not entrusting leading roles to women.

Africa was a continent which produced powerful queens and natural female leaders, who were accepted and accorded respect by the communities that they led. Historians tell us that when it was the woman leading, the community became stronger and developed faster.[/b]

Karl Marx once wrote that “Everyone who knows anything of history also knows that great social revolutions are impossible without the feminine ferment. Social progress may be measured precisely by the social position of the fair sex”, Mao Zedong also, in his quest to liberate the Chinese women once told the people to “Unleash women’s fury as a real force for the revolution.”
There are countries where women heroes are encouraged, celebrated and accorded the respect they deserve. In a country like Cuba, Celia Sanchez, Vilma Espin, Haydee Santamaria, Tete Puebla and many other women leaders are given the recognition that they earned. Strong women like Rosa Luxemburg, Harriet Tubman, Kim Jong Suk and many others are still remembered by the societies that they represented, and beyond.

Of course, just as it is in the case of men, it is not just any woman who can lead. That is why the story of Simone-Ehivet Gbagbo inspires me, in the same extent as some of the pictures that I have posted here (below) bring me to tears.

Who is Simone Gbagbo?
“We will never get tired of saying that more women should get into decision making positions” -Simone Gbagbo
Dr. Simone was born on 20th June 1949, in the village of Mossou in Ivory Coast to Ehivet Jean, a Policeman and Marie Djaha, who died after giving birth to her. She excelled in her academics, through to the University of Abidjan, where she pursued a degree in Oral Literature and linguistics. She furthered her education in numerous institutions, including the University of Villentaneuse and the University of Dakar. She has also participated in many academic forums all over the world.

In her early life, she aspired to be a teacher, and she became one, where she taught in Secondary school, and later in the University.
Since her childhood days, she was an active member of several youth groups, both in the Community and in the church. As a secondary school teacher, although she never held any position in the teachers Union, she was a very committed member of that union, and used to participate and mobilize other teachers in their activities.
She later shifted to lecturing at the University of Abidjan, where she got deeply involved in the powerful Lecturers’ trade Union (S.Y.N.A.R.E.S) which she headed.
All this time, just like in most African Countries in that era, Ivory Coast was headed by a brutal dictator called Houphouet Boigny, who served as a puppet of the French, a supporter of apartheid in South Africa, a good friend of Jonas Savimbi, and a fervent opponent of Pan Africanism. It was her opposition to the activities of this dictator that landed her to prison on several occasions.

Still at the University, she, together with other Lecturers and Students, joined an underground political organisation, which held clandestine political study circles within the university. It was in one of the study circle cells that she met Laurent Gbagbo, in 1973. Gbagbo was just fresh from Jail (Gbagbo too was used to the prison gates as a political prisoner.)
It was from this underground organizing that Gbagbo, Simone and others formed the FPI (Ivorian Popular Front) which still operated from the underground, since it was illegal to have any other party in Ivory Coast.

Fast forward to the 90’s: Due to the pressure that the underground was putting on Houphouet, the dictator allowed for multipartism, where Gbagbo was his only challenger. Simone on her part vied for the municipal elections in Abobo district. They both lost the elections. After the elections they were both imprisoned again, this was after she was brutally beaten up by soldiers before their arrest. After her release, she and other party members began building the FPI, where she became the National Secretary in charge of Political education and Agriculture. Five years later, she vied for the position of Member of Parliament, representing the Abobo district, where she comfortably won. She was then elected as the Vice President of the Ivorian parliament by the MPs.
In the year 2000, Laurent Gbagbo was sworn in as the President, and she became the First Lady of Ivory Coast. (Unlike other African first ladies who wear expensive clothes and do expensive shopping abroad, Simone, dresses in the ordinary Ivorian clothes, and leads a modest lifestyle.)The parliamentary elections were then held in 2002, and people from Abobo district asked that she represents them again in parliament. She accepted to vie. Some of her party members were opposed to this, and her rivals in other parties began their smear campaigns, where they called her greedy, telling the voters that if they voted for her, she would abandon them and go back to the presidential palace.
The elections were held, and she emerged the winner among the four candidates, garnering over 39, 000 votes, which was 56% of the total votes, while the other three shared the rest amongst themselves.

Events continued to happen within Ivory Coast, when the Ouattara rebels, aided by France and Blaise Compaore (the French puppet president of Burkina Faso) and wrecked lots of havoc in I.C. During that civil war, the French annihilated Gbagbo’s Air force after the air force bombed some French soldiers who, without the knowledge of the government were secretly training the Ouattara Rebels.

As peace talks were being held, she stood her ground, and insisted that the talks should continue within the contexts of I.C’s constitution. By saying this, she was considered by many to be a hardliner: But one should ask, if people cannot respect constitutions, law and order, then how can countries be governed? Most European countries are stable because people stick to their constitutions. Even African dictators to some extent respect this fact. They always change their constitutions before increasing their term limits; They do not extend their terms then change their constitutions.

At the peace talks (which were held in France), it was agreed that Ouattara would vie in the next elections. It was also agreed that the rebels would be included in Gbagbo’s government. It was also agreed that Ouattara’s rebels would be disarmed, before the elections could be held. Instead of disarming his rebels, Ouattara increased the size of his rebel army, with massive support from the French. This led to the postponement of the election by four years. All this time, Simone would speak her mind. She would speak and stick to the truth and condemn all these developments, especially the French involvement. At one moment during the peace talks, Kofi Anan suggested that because of her strong stand and influence on the populace of I.C, she could be included into the peace talks!

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Simone-Dances at a rally in support of her Husband Gbagbo(Jan 2011)

The Jovial African Woman!

Simone Shaking Hands with Charles Ble Goude-Leader of the Young Patriots

Unfortunately, a lot of international pressure was exacted on Gbagbo, and the elections were held without the disarmament of the rebels. What followed was what was earlier feared. Massive rigging in the rebel held territories, voter intimidation, voting under the barrel of the gun among many other mal practices, especially in the second round voting.
It is highly probable that all this would not have happened, if Simone was the president of I.C. She would have nipped it in the bud.

Speaking of if she was the president, most Ivorians felt that she could vie for presidency after her husband’s term ended. She was termed by the people as the “Hillary Clinton of Africa.”
Many allegations and cases have been brought against her, but she has overcome all of them. The French even accused her of murder, but she won the case, after which Laurent Gbagbo sued the double agent who had presented the false creations to the French.
In my opinion, Simone’s main weakness is her deep religious belief. But believers would consider this as a strong point.

Simone has been at the forefront of many initiatives targeting women and girls.

On her arrival at a Peace Prayer Rally in Abidjan-Always jovial (March 2011)

At the Prayer Rally-Deep in Thought

The French/U.N led illegal arrest

But it was how she was mistreated after the “Capture” that saddens me most. It made me ask myself very many questions. Very bitter questions.
It is a known fact that one of Gbagbo’s ministers who was with them during the capture was brutally beaten up, and shot dead in head. Ouattara’s men then claimed that he had tried to kill himself (by beating himself up?)

Looking at Simone’s photos at the capture, it is clear that she was beaten up, tortured, and probably sexually assaulted. Ever since these pictures and their videos were made public, nobody has come out to condemn these dehumanizing acts on Simone. No word from the so called civil societies, no word from those who defend universal rights, and surprisingly, no word from any African first lady or politician.

Humiliated-Simone faces down-Gbagbo trying to put up a straight face

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It appears as if she is ordered to look at the Camera.Gbagbo sits calmly

The Humiliation Continues,they both appear to protest

It is clear that the tortures were ordered directly by Ouattara himself, since the rebel soldiers who entered the palace and later took Gbagbo and his family to the Gulf Hotel were not the simple rank and files. His top soldiers were present at capture and at the hotel, and it is clear that they were receiving direct orders from him. Even before the illegal arrests were made, Ouattara had said that he had given his soldiers direct orders not to harm Gbagbo. It is then possible that he had given them direct orders to harm Simone.

But why did Ouattara do this? Why did the soldiers take the orders? Was it Gbagbo that they had a problem with or was it Simone? These photos are just so sad. Furthermore, if this is how the best Ouattara soldiers would treat the first lady and an elected leader in I.C in front of the cameras, then how did they treat the ordinary women that they met in the villages? Even the staunchest Ouattara defenders would now find it hard to refute the torture, the rape cases and the genocidal killings that they are reported to have, and still are committing.

Taken Outside and Forced by Ouattara Rebels to lie on the Floor

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French backed-Ouattara Rebels forcefully pose for a photo with her lying down

This is something that has probably never been witnessed in the world before. Idi Amin was toppled out of power, but the wives were not touched. Samuel Doe was killed and his naked body paraded in the streets of Liberia, but the same was not meted on the wife. Haile Selasie was buried in a latrine, but this treatment was not extended to his wife. In as much as we cannot even slightly compare the above mentioned people with Gbagbo, we see that the rebels and mutineers in these places had some sense of humanity in them.

In these pictures, we see Gbagbo for some reason being made to change clothes three times in one day; hence I would not be surprised to learn to hear that these men sexually harassed or even raped Simone that day, as some sites suggest.

Gbagbo being taken out-He is in his pajamas


Gbagbo without a shirt, wiping tears off his face


Gbagbo in a Green Summer shirt


Gbagbo in a Brown Shirt

For me, it is clear that Ouattara and the French first wanted their revenge on Simone, and secondly, they fear Simone more than they fear anybody else, and they know that if they do not deal with her once and for all, then she would be back to haunt them, as she has done in the past.

It will be sad if they kill her and claim that she killed herself, but it will not be an unexpected move.
Is this how Ouattara and the French trained their men to handle women prisoners?

How Ouattara's best forces handled the 1st Lady

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Young Ouattara Soldiers manhandling the 62 year old African Woman....on Camera

It is expected that wives of heads of state influence some of the decisions that their husbands make. In most cases, we also see their wives being involved in their campaigns, where they address public meetings and television shows. But does that warrant this kind of treatment? I would feel really sad and angered if some Al Qaeda fellows captured Bush and his family, and then subjected Laura to any bad treatment. How would Obama feel if this was done to Mitchell by one of his many enemies? How would Kenyans have felt if either Lucy Kibaki or Ida Odinga underwent such treatment, because they performed their roles as their husband’s wives?

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Laurent Gbagbo's Wife

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George Bush's Wife

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Barrack Obama's Wife

Mwai Kibaki's Wife

Raila Odinga's Wife-Raila was an AU mediator who
openly Supported Ouattara, immediately he was
appointed as a mediator


Even Gbagbo did not think of doing such to General Guei or his wife in 2000. How would Ouattara, his supporters, and humanity in general feel, if the tables were to turn today, and Ouattara is arrested by Gbagbo’s forces, then his French wife’s hair is torn from her scalp, when she is beaten up, and treated as they have treated Simone?

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Ouattara's Wife-Dominique Nouvian Folloroux

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Ouattara and Dominique at a public funtion

Inspiration, rather than demoralization
Whether her husband won or lost the elections, Simone did/does not deserve this kind of treatment.

If they did this so as to depict her image to the public as weak and hopeless, then what they have done has given Africans Strength and hope, to fight the Imperialists and their local representatives. If by torturing her they think that people will fear and run away, then they should know that they have given people the strength, and that people will run towards them with ideas, arms and all that they have. I hope, that if their intention was to curtail the rise of women into decision making positions, then African women will be inspired and take their rightful role in the society in large numbers.

In this last photo below, Simone seems to be looking straight into our hearts, telling us that she has so far played her role, and it is up to us to join hands with her, and continue with the struggle against Imperialism and the attempted re-colonization.

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Ouattara rebels-Some pulling her hair, she is holding her cheek as if she has just been slapped, the is holding a piece of torn cloth, her dress and Bra sleeves have been pulled up, she has been forced to sit on the floor of a basement room.

She gives us the look
The look that gives us the Anger
The Anger that gives us the Hope
The Hope that gives us the Strength
the Strength that will defeat the Imperialists
The Imperialists and their local Representatives
Long Live Ivory Coast
Long Live Africa


Let us join hands. Alluta Continua!

I thank you for this beautiful article. You have understood what happened to my country. This is the way Africans treat their own people in order to please their white masters. Simone had to be humiliated because she stood up to french people. The humiliation is supposed to serve as a warning to any african president & wife who will not accept France's looting of their country's natural resources. Ouattara is just a puppet, he did not win the elections and has now put I.C back under colonial rule since he has 17 french advisors. What a shame! When will Africans understand that pleasing imperialists is not the thing to do? When will Africans work for african people interests' and advancement? Sooner or later, we will take our country back and will not allow any french person to be involved in our business. La lutte continue!

http://mamluks..com/2011/04/simon-gbagbo-beaten-tortured-and.html

No justice one year after Ivory Coast Duékoué massacre

A year after hundreds of civilians were killed in the Western Ivorian town of town Duékoué, Amnesty International has called on the Ivory Coast government of President Alassane Ouattara to help bring the perpetrators to justice.

The London-based rights group said “it is time for Ivorian authorities to fully cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC) to probe human rights abuses, after the 2010 disputed presidential election.”

It has also called on Ivorian authorities to “start a national process of investigating those suspected of responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity and human rights abuses - regardless of their political affiliation.”

In a press statement issued on Wednesday, Amnesty International said, “one year after the conflict's most violent episode, a probe is yet to be held into the killing of hundreds of civilians in the Duékoué area, 500 km from the commercial capital, Abidjan.

The post election fighting was between forces loyal to former President Laurent Gbagbo and the New Forces rebels supporting President Alassane Ouattara.

“The Ivorian authorities must live up to President Ouattara’s repeated commitment to put an end to impunity and take action to ensure the terrible crimes committed in Duékoué 12 months ago do not go unpunished," said Salvatore Saguès, Amnesty International’s researcher on West Africa.

The ICC has said it will investigate the violence.

The court last year arrested ex-President Gbagbo, who is currently imprisoned in The Hague.

http://wadr.org/en/site/news_en/3351/No-justice-one-year-after-Ivory-Coast-Du%C3%A9kou%C3%A9-massacre.htm

That Osuji oreo can shove his PhD. What an a.s.s. I think I've seen his write-up before, another self-hating diatribe. He's too in love with the "mighty Greeks" and western civilization.

I don't see why Igbos wouldn't be able to self-govern. I went to vote in the above poll and saw only 4, including myself, voted in the affirmative, and 6 had voted against. lol. I know you guys must be taking the piss. You're not serious at all. Regardless of any personal prejudices you may have against Igbos or any groups, you can't deny that Igbos have a tendency to be quite industrious and self-sacrificing and democratic. How then would they not be able to work together and self-govern?

How many times have you seen newly arrived Easterners in the big cities live several to a room and before the tenant lease is up, are able to afford to rent two huge flats in the same building? From hard work and self-sacrificing and working together.

The question should be, will the Igbos ever get a chance to self-govern?

As a proponent of a united Africa and one Nigeria, I don't wish to see a break-up of the country leading to a separate Igbo land. But I am sure they would have no problem governing themselves, if given the chance. (BTW, how're they doing with their states? Analyse that and do a thread on it.)

ifihearam: Do student in private schools. Wear this hijab

So why must they wear it in government schools

When there is a uniform for all students.

hijab is just headscarf.

i would be careful of tall tales rehashed and retold until it has lost all semblance of credibility.

where is the link to the story? if it happened as sensationally claimed, where is news of arrests and follow-up to trial and sentencing? murder is a crime in this country, no matter in which part of the country you reside. the whole tabloidy tale reeks of anti-islamic fervor.

people, don't get yourselves worked up over nothing. fashola wouldn't dare; vanguard is rubbish.

fatterman: I am married and Live with My wife at Home ,This morning as my wife was sleeping and her phone was ringing, so I woke her up to her pick calls, to my surprise she was rushing very fast and hiding her body, and I ask what is wrong with you, what i saw was so suprsing, she has tattoo all over her body, she never tell me her plans to draw a tattoo on her , and i never like a tattoo, she draw the tattoo on her bosom, waist, private parts, and shoulders, hmmm, I am still at shock, I don’t know what to do, I ask her what is the meaning of what she did, she never responded to me, My question is how can a married woman draw a tattoo without her husband permission? I am very angry now, I just rush out now, and still thinking what to do?

fatterman: It so crazy that my wife could even do such, when she knows i dont fancy it? what promt her doing such in the first place? i dont trust my wife, i have been having serious doubt about her, because she behave funny these days.

You married the wrong woman, I'm sorry. Better luck next time.

NO. For me, God is separate and distinct from His prophets.

BTW, are there any Christian denominations that do not hold to the God/Jesus/Holy Spirit belief? Thanks.

An outsider wouldn't come into a house to spend that much time killing someone, knowing any family member could walk in at any moment. I am sure it takes time to beat someone to death. It's just not the way Americans do things. Usually those types of killings are done by people who know the victim or is connected to her in some way. I don't buy the story of the phantom threatening note taped to the door that no one else knew of until after the murder. Yes, there are racist American religious bigots capable of killing and more, but this case sounds like an inside job. R.I.P.

Ruqaya: some of the signs of selinity is poor judegement. If old age hasn't cause this, then some other things has, someone in his right frame of mind won't do such. Okay!!
And what business do you av with ma profile?
Mtchewww

https://www.nairaland.com/isale_gan2

Ruqaya: He's getting old and probably going senile,

hahahahaha. I was going to respond that only a 15-yr old would suspect someone who's barely 50-yrs old of going senile. lol. Then I quickly checked your profile, and saw your birthdate. Salaam Aleykum, sister my child.

Sweetnecta: ^My opinion bites you. It is a pity that the muslims in Lagos have not protested against their muslim governor's action, against Islam in this case.

You sure have a lot of tolerance and patience responding to that Patriot guy. His insight is limited to saying things like, Arab women are beautiful and . . . Islam is best if you take what you can get and then 'live' (leave) it while you're young.

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THE MAKING OF AN EDO PHILOSOPHER FROM IGBARA-OKE
Ulli Beier talks to Dr. Sophie Oluwole

U: There are not many people who have tried to study and define Yoruba Philosophy. This is surprising, because you might say that those of us who study the art, the literature, the religion of the Yoruba people are studying various manifestations, symptoms perhaps, of the basic Yoruba interpretation of life. And yet philosophy was introduced rather late into Nigerian universities and most Nigerian philosophers seem more interested in Greek or British philosophy than in African philosophy. I am curious therefore to hear from you how you became interested in the subject and what problems you faced on the long road towards becoming a leading authority in Yoruba philosophy. First tell me something about your background.

S: Well, I was born in Igbara-Oke, a town that lies on the border between Ilesha and Ondo.

U: I know the place well. In the fifties and early sixties it was a favorite stop-over for truck drivers on the way to Benin city. The road side restaurants sold the best pounded yam and the best bush meat in the whole of Nigeria. I enjoyed many wonderful meals there.

S: Yes, that is true. Unfortunately our people lost that trade, when the shorter Lagos-Benin road was built further south. Nowadays that market has almost disappeared.

U: What did your father do?

S: He was a trader. He first went down to Lagos in 1910, buying clothes. Then, in 1912 he established his trade in Igbara-Oke and he would walk to Onitsha ...

U: ... walk all the way to Onitsha?

S: Yes, in those days there were no trucks. Traders used to trek with a group of carriers. So for many years he would walk between Igbara-Oke an Onitsha which was even then the largest market in West Africa. My mother was trading on the market of Igbara-Oke - but she was also a dyer and a weaver. She must be close to a hundred years old now, because her first child was born in 1918. She had eight children altogether. Four of them died and four of us remain. I am her last born. My mother was a very short woman, that is why she married rather late. She still looked like a child when her age group was getting married. She told me that she married about four years later than the others.


U: Did you still know your grandparents?

S: Yes, my grandfather came from Benin. My father was born in Igbara-Oke, but my grandfather came from Benin in about 1850. He was already a married man then, with about five wives. He had been a high ranking official in the Oba's palace in Benin. Igbara-Oke was part of the Benin empire then; in fact it belonged to the Oba's mother, because the Oba divided the empire among members of the family. So when there were reports that Ogedengbe was raiding Igbara-Oke ...

U: ... you mean Ogedengbe, the famous Ijesa warrior?

S: Yes ... and so it became necessary to send somebody to keep watch ... somebody to act as a kind of resident or governor looking after the interests of the Oba. In those days the Chief of Igbara-Oke could not make any decision without consulting my grandfather.

U: What about your father's mother. Was she a Yoruba woman?

S: No. As a matter of fact, she was the daughter of another Benin ‚governor' who resided in Ogotun, a few kilometers away, because the Oba of Benin had these residents all over the place ... My father married the daughter of a man who had come with my grandfather from Benin. Only my maternal grandmother was Yoruba. So actually I am an Edo woman - except that I was born and bred in Igbara-Oke.

U: Did your father speak Yoruba or Edo?

S: My father grew up speaking Yoruba but he made sure that he went back to Benin to learn Edo. My mother could not really speak Edo. She was a very shy woman. She could understand it but did not speak it.

U: Did you consider yourself Yoruba or Edo as a child? Or didn't you really think about that?

S: I did. I thought of myself as an Edo girl. Because until I left primary school the Oba of Benin used to stop in Igbara-Oke, whenever he traveled to Ibadan. You remember that Benin was part of the Western Region of Nigeria then, and the Oba of Benin had to attend the House of Chiefs in Ibadan. So whenever he was to travel on that road he sent a message some days ahead to my father, and as from seven o'clock in the morning all the Edo people in Igbara-Oke would wait on the road side, drumming and dancing, with a banner, saying: "Welcome, Oba of Benin!" There were about ten Edo families in the town and the local people referred to us as Ado Igbara.

U: Ado meaning Edo?

S: Yes, that's how they pronounced it. And even the local people would come and gather on that day, because we had different drumming and different dancing ... So many of them were curious and they would not go to the farm that day.

U: Were you singing in Edo?

S: No, we were singing in Yoruba. The Oba would not leave his car. He would remain seated and talk to my father and then drive away. He did not stop in Igbara-Oke on the way back.

U: Was That Akenzua II?

S: Yes, it was Akenzua. So I was calling myself an Edo girl when I was small, but I never learned the language. I can hear a little, but i cannot speak it. My sisters speak Edo very well and my only brother who was a very well known journalist with the " Daily Times" in Lagos has now retired in Benin. You know him well. His name is Ebenezer Williams.

U: What names were you given by your parents? What does the initial "B" stand for? Is it a Yoruba name or a Bini name?

S: It is Yoruba: Bosede - "A girl born on a Sunday". And I was also named Olayemi, which is Yoruba again, Meaning: "I fell comfortable with dignity."

U: And how did you get Sophie? It is unusual in Yoruba country.


S: My parents didn't think of such a name, of course. But we had a headmaster then, who was a friend of the family. I suppose he came to the house often because there were several beautiful young girls and he was unmarried. I was very tiny then. He liked me, he gave me biscuits and I followed him around everywhere. I ended up living with him at the age of eight. It was after I had started school that I was to be baptized and he told my father that he should name me Sophia. My father didn't know what it meant. But the headmaster thought that I was a clever girl. It is funny, but many years later my supervisor for my PhD thesis at the University of Ibadan said to me: "Why should you call yourself Sophia, just because you have decided to become a philosopher?" And I said to him: "I was given that name long before I knew what it meant." We used to even write it with an ‚f' like the capital of Bulgaria.

U: What kind of naming ceremony would you have had? Was it like the Yoruba one, where you give the baby various things to taste - kolanut to teach him that life can be bitter, pepper to teach him that life can hurt and honey to teach him that sweetness always follows pain in life?

S: It would have been similar; only some of the items would have been different. For example, in Benin we can hardly do anything without coconut or snails. Snails are for peace. The snail moves slowly. It is soft. It doesn't fight, it doesn't harm. And when you break the shell there is that beautiful blue water. The snail is harmony. There used to be plenty of snails in Benin. In the olden days, when you cooked food and the meat was not enough, you would just go behind the house and pick a dozen snails. They would be everywhere. But today they have gone. The Binis buy snails from the Yoruba.

U: So you were not given any Edo names?

S: No, my brothers were given Edo names. By that time there was a nostalgia to go back to Benin. All my father's grandchildren were given Edo names. All of them. At that time he would have loved to go home, because he was not fully accepted in Igbara-Oke. He reminded them of the ‚colonial' rule of Benin. There was an incident that nearly forced my father to leave the town. My brother went to Government College Ibadan and during the first term, when he was asked, he said that he was a Benin boy. The people in Igbara-Oke got angry and said: "Why should he call himself a Benin Boy? Was he not born and bred in Igbara-Oke and was not his father born here also?"

U: I gather that your parents were both Christians.

S: Yes, they were Anglicans. My father was baptized in 1912, my mother in 1915, just before they got married. In fact you could say that Igbara-oke was a Christian town.

[b]U: That means, I suppose, that you grew up without knowing anything about Yoruba religion.

S: Since my grandfather had come from Benin we had Olokun in our compound and all the traditional dances were still being performed for him. And the worshippers of the other Orishas would come and celebrate with us. For us children it was very, very interesting; and in the evening, when nobody was watching, we would imitate them. We would dramatize the ritual with all the songs and dances. But my father was always worrying us not to go and watch the ‚pagan' ceremonies. As Christians we were supposed to stay clear of all that. to him it was like worshipping the devil. We would be sneaking out whenever there was an Orisha ceremony somewhere, but when we came home we would deny we had been there. One morning during our prayer session my father said to us that he had warned us several times not to worship Orisha, but we had refused to listen to him. He was not going to warn us anymore. But we would have to remember that on the day of judgment, God and the devil would pick their children among all the human beings. Then some of us would say that we were the children of God, but the devil would say: "No, you are mine." Then there would be an argument. God would say: "They are my children" and the devil would say: "They belong to me." And then the devil would have to prove his case. Then my father said: " Do you know that each time you are watching the Olorisha the devil is there with his camera, taking the picture of all the worshippers ... and on judgment day, when there is an argument, all the devil will have to do is to bring out his pictures. When they have identified you on the photographs, you will be asked: was it a ceremony for God or for the devil? And you will have to answer: it was for the devil." From that day on, we never went to see the Orisha dancers again, and for years after that I was so afraid. And at night I wondered how I could recapture those Photographs from the devil, because although I had stopped going to the ceremonies - what of the pictures he had taken before?[/b]

U: Did you go to school in Igbara-Oke?

S: Yes, I finished my primary school - Standard VI. Than I went to Ile-Ife to what was known as a ‚Girls School'. It was only a two years course, but it was so intensive that you could come out with a Class IV certificate. In those days the full secondary schoool was six years. But you could leave with a Class IV certificate and find a job fairly easily. Or you could go back to school and work for your Class VI. I went on to Ilesha to the Women Training College. It had been set up by the British, when they were on their way out of Nigeria. It was wholly financed by the British government and thirteen out of fifteen teachers were British. Every single thing we used in that school was imported from Britain: biros, paper - everything. Even our uniforms. I trained as a teacher and began to teach first at Ogotun then later at Ibadan.

U: But your teaching career didn't last that long. When did you go to university?

S: I went to Moscow in 1963.

U: You went to Moscow to study philosophy?

S: No, no. My husband got a scholarship and I went with him. I wanted to study economics, but at first I had to do a year of preparatory classes. Mainly Russian language, but also some other subjects. But after one year my husband decided to leave the Soviet Union, so I never had a chance to do the proper course.

U: Why didn't he like it? Was it the life style? The politics?

S: He found the language too hard. He wasn't a language man. As for me I could pick it up quickly.

U: What was life like in Moscow on campus? Did you have Russian friends?

S: We lived in what they called Cheriomushky: a whole house full of foreign students. Maybe I was biased coming from a completely free country, but I found everything terribly regimented. You could not, for instance, freely listen to the BBC. If you wanted to visit somebody, you had to deposit your passport with the porter of the house. You had to tell him which room you were going to and whom you were going to see. They recorded the time you entered and the time you left. Another fundamental problem was food. Rice was a rare commodity. Sometimes you saw people queuing in front of a supermarket. They told you that rice was going to be sold. After Queuing for three of four hours, somebody would come out of the shop and say: "What are you waiting for?" We said: "We are waiting for rice." Then he would say: "But I don't have rice!" and everybody would go away without saying anything. In 1964 I went to the Studienkolleg in Cologne while my husband went to the United States to continue his studies. I didn't have A levels so I couldn't enter a German university straight. I had to do another preparatory year. It was more or less like what I had to do in Moscow, except that this time I studies German. I did well, but I didn't enter a German university, where I had been offered a full scholarship in philology; I went to the US instead. But after three months I decided to return home, because all my children were at home. I already had three children then. I had made sure I gained admission to the University of Lagos, before I returned home.

U: You went on a long Odyssee abroad, that in the end didn't get you anywhere. But I suppose that it was all to the good: if you had stuck it out overseas and completed one of those courses you would never have become a philosopher.

S: That's right. And when I returned home I was still not thinking about Philosophy. I had been admitted for a BA Education an my main subject was to be English. But in those days the University was very relaxed about things: as long as you had a letter of admission you could go around and shop for subjects. You could do anything, as long as the Department was willing to have you. I did not really want to get back into school teaching. I first decided to do English, but some of the students said to me: "Madam, you better be careful. Because if you want to do English you may never end up with a degree from this university." I said: "Why?" They said that Wole Soyinka was their teacher and he had passed only two students that year! So I ran away. I didn't want to waste my time, because I already had three children. I was looking around for subjects I could do. I had O levels in history and geography and I needed a third subject. Philosophy was the only department that was willing to take me, because they were the only ones who had no prerequisites. The system was that after the first year you dropped one subject and carried on with two. Then you did ‚Combined Honors' in the remaining two subjects. Or, if you did very well in one subject, you could even end up with ‚Single Honors'. I had intended to drop philosophy. But at the end of the first year my worst subject was history. I discovered that I didn't have the retentive memory that an historian needs. So I dropped history and decided I would try to aim at ‚Single Honors' in geography. If you could score more than 60 % in one subject, you would be allowed to do ‚Single Honors' in it. At the end of the second year I qualified to do geography, but I also qualified to do philosophy. I got 62 % in geography and 64 % in philosophy. It was difficult for me to make a choice: geography was willing to take me. At that stage I had already discovered my love for philosophy, but the problem was, that they had only three lecturers and the professor said they couldn't accept a ‚Single Honors' student until they got another lecturer. But the new member of staff wasn't expected for some months. So I decided I was going to run two ‚Single Honors' courses concurrently. I went to geography and I went to philosophy. But as soon as the fourth lecturer arrived in the Philosophy Department I dropped geography. I became very embarrassing, because the geography professor said: "She is my student!"

U: So you got into philosophy almost by accident. Or was it Esu blocking all the other roads on which you attempted to travel - until you hit upon the right one? What finally attracted you to philosophy?

S: It was my nature. I found it so easy. I wasn't good at learning facts. But I could look at critical issues. I could take a sentence and pull it to pieces. So I was at home. I was comfortable ...

U: What kind of philosophy did they teach you at the University of Lagos? I suppose it wasn't African philosophy.

S: No, no. The first year we did Greek philosophy: starting with Thales and down to Plato and Aristotle. The second year we did British philosophy: Hume, Locke, Hubes - all of them. In the final year we did British philosophy again with the one exception our English head could not ignore: Immanuel Kant Hat was the only German philosopher we studied. came out top of the class: second class Upper Division-Which was thee best you could hope for in any honors subject those days.

S: It was Dr Danquah who first got me interested in African Philosophy. But he was on that Egyptology thing, trying to trace the origin of African philosophy to Egyptian religion.

U: Another Detour!

S: Yes. Although his father had written The Concept Of God, he had not actually stressed that point. The grand old man was not interested in proving to the west ,that Thales had borrowed the concept of god or mathematics or whatever from Egypt.

U: It still fashionable. Cheikh Anta Diop and so many others still claim that there was a west African civilization from which the Greeks derived their ideas.

S: Yes, but I had a feeling right from the start: if it is true that the Greeks came and stole African Philosophy-what happened to the Africans? You can steal my ideas, but you cant steal the brain from my head. Forget the borrowings. I do not mind what they took. But do we have anything left today-which I can show? So my first concern was to find records of Yoruba thought. I went to the Yoruba Department and asked them wether I could have access to records of Yoruba thought before colonialism. There was an Egba poet called Sobo Arobiodu. I had heard of him even as a small girl. My father had been quoting his poems and his proverbs. I was so excited to find that Prof S. A. BaBalola and Moses Lijadu had recorded him and that I could listen to this material. But I was so disappointed to discover that he had been a Christian! He was talking about Jesus! He was a hardly a Yoruba thinker! But the Yoruba Department told me they had no other records predating him. So I decided to look into Ifa oracle Texts.

U: Now tell me one thing: are you still the only one trying to establish Yoruba thought as a philosophy? Are there others now working in this field or do you still come up against a lot opposition?

S: There are now quite a number of lecturers and students who wants to establish African philosophy. But the fundamental difference is :what basis for the basis for their claims? If you look at my book "Witchcraft, Reincarnation and the God-head, "my claims are based on what people are saying in the street. How they describe a witch or what reincarnation means to them-for example Christian ideas have influenced peoples thinking people are not even aware of such influences.


Dr Sophie Oluwole is a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Lagos {Nigeria}. She is currently National President of the Nigerian Philosophical Society. She is the editor of "Imodooye"-a journal of Yoruba philosophy. In 1993 Dr. Oluwole was visiting lecturer at the the University of Bayreuth under the auspices of a special research program {"SFB214"-Identity in Africa}.

This is an excerpt of an interview Dr Oluwole had with Ulli Bier at the Iwalewa House,University of Bayreuth.

http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub70.htm

OAM4J: bring it on, I know am one of them

I just quoted 2 people in a post. So its possible to quote many people, if you know what to do

Ooooohhh wheee! Someone is feeling mighty funky. Funkay funkie. "Bring it ooooonnnn"? When you least expect it, bud! Sleep with one eye open, as previously warned.

No comment on which 2, or more, moderators I wanted to extort.

yes, mine too o. there's a couple of moderators i was going to whitemail. . .!

moHot: I KEEP SAYING THIS BUT ITS TRUE, I KNOW SOMEONE UP THERE REALLY LOVES ME BY MAKING YOU MY MOTHER
YOU ARE THE MOTHER ALL MOTHERS SHOULD EMULATE
A VIRTOUS WOMAN
YOU ARE NOT THE TYPE THAT WILL TELL HER CHILD ''ORI E O PE''
YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING YOU PRAY FOR US
AT NIGHT YOU PRAY FOR US
I SENT YOU A TEXT TO WISH YOU A HAPPY MOTHERS DAY, YOU CALLED BACK IMMEDIATELY AND STARTED PRAYING FOR ME AS IF I HAD GIVEN YOU A PRIVATE JET
ALL I WISH FOR YOU IS TO LIVE LONG AND EAT THE FRUIT OF YOUR LABOUR

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!

hahahahaha. nice. i knew my parents were getting old - - when they started praying at the beginning and end of telephone calls. the older they get the more they pray. sometimes, you can't even finish a sentence before they start praying. lol. now my dad, who i talk to even more than i talk to my mom, has started calling me "iya mi." and i thought mothers and grandmothers calling me "oko mi" when i was a little girl was bad.

happy mothers day to all.

2012 mothers day in usa will take place on May 13.

afam4eva: I hope he recovers fully. It just reminds me of Sam Okparaji and Foe of Cameroo.

[quote author=Kay-Dee]and Dani Jarque - captain of espanyol in 2009.[/quote]Ah! Futbol. The game of life. And death.

I remember watching Sevillas' Puerta's last match live on a stream. He didn't die on the pitch though. One of my favourite defenders, the Serbian Monster, Drago, was immediately on him, trying to stop him from swallowing his tongue. Scary! Then he walked off the pitch by himself. (Why did they let him walk?) Puerta later died in the hospital. I think his girlfriend was even pregnant at the time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9Wh9aY8kA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footballers_who_died_while_playing

“Football is a whole skill to itself. A whole world. A whole universe to itself. Me love it because you have to be skilful to play it! Freedom! Football is freedom.” (Bob Marley- 1979)”

what happened to the other thread? i posted in it last night.

[quote author=isale_gan2]Buzugee, my righteous broda. Wonderful thing you're doing here. Heart disease creeps up on you. And if memory serves, it is the number one killer of women in the USA. I'm not sure of the figure in Naija.

I've been so concerned for myself due to stress, fluctuation in weight, career and life changes, and whatnot. I took it as a sign to bite the bullet and make an appointment to go make sure the ticker is in tip-top shape when I noticed a standalone health center specializing in heart checkups. Now, with your reminder, I will definitely do something asap!

Hope you're doing well in merry 'ol Ingerlund. And thank you for doing your portion to save our people.

BTW, did you catch the special appearance Star Jones made on that hideous show of Barbara Walters recently, just so she could warn us all about the dangers of heart disease?[/quote]

debosky: NL2 is meh for me. . . .I find it less appealing and gradually losing my addiction.

You got problems? That's what 'O Ye MY People' are for - a problem shared is a problem halved.

Koooooosssoooooovvvooooooo!

I got problems. Boy, do I got problems.


You all better help a brother out. Seun may have lost the plot. That's why he has you all. To look out for his


Waving right back at ya, Negro_NTNS, Dudu_Negro. I'll let you be. You're new. Kinda.

NL2! Pfft! One good thing: at least you can modify your post again in this section. Don't know how long that'll last.

Some good stuff, some whatever stuff. That's Seun's headache. I got my own problems.

ndidibabe: Thanks to everyone that made meaningful contribution to this thread. I came home very late from work today and met my husband watching the newcastle vs arsenal match. The score was 1-1 as at that time but he was quite happy. He said his boys(arsenal players were doing well). I said to him ''Chukwu, have you eaten?'' but the look on his face was quite terrible. Obviously, he doesnt like the name . So what makes him feel i like Sinmisola?

How dare he indeed?! I think you should fight this to the death. Let him really have it! Turn your home into world war 3!!! That way you can get the divorce out of the way before there are any kids in the picture. How unreasonable can you get! I meant him, of course.

BTW, can you post a picture of that Yoruba future ex-husband of yours? No reason.

ndidibabe: Thanks to everyone that made meaningful contribution to this thread. I came home very late from work today and met my husband watching the newcastle vs arsenal match. The score was 1-1 as at that time but he was quite happy. He said his boys(arsenal players were doing well). I said to him ''Chukwu, have you eaten?'' but the look on his face was quite terrible. Obviously, he doesnt like the name . So what makes him feel i like Sinmisola?

How dare he indeed?! I think you should fight this to the death. Let him really have it! Turn your home into world war 3!!! That way you can get the divorce out of the way before there are any kids in the picture. How unreasonable can you get! I meant him, of course.

BTW, can you post a picture of that Yoruba future ex-husband of yours? No reason.