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sureteeboy: This is nothing else but pure co incindence. Why should Jesus preserve his statue when the Bible says statues aint meant to be worshipped.

What makes you sure it is coincidental?

What has worshipping statues got to do with statues that arent worshipped?

daroz: Frankly, catholics and Muslims are one and the same. Its clear
Very soon dem go dey face east

How?

Merkki: comparing Mary with Jesus huh? Is it a kind of competition?

We are showing you consecrated statues of Jesus and Mary which were unscathed by humongous disasters.

That is all.

The mother never competes against her son.

Jesus is God and Son of Mary.

Mary is Mother of Jesus who is God.

Alfa Seltzer: Arguing with xtians is a waste of time. They ignore your points and affirm their convictions no matter what.

I remember once, Plaetton opened a thread saying any Christian who claims to love God were liars.

I asked him a simple question.

"What do you mean by love?"

He ignored and continued to affirm his convictions.

Now you accuse the Christians of what Atheists are guilty of.

Hypocrisy!

As a Catholic, I say it at least 8 times everyday.

1. I say it once during daily mass. (It is said by everyone at every mass everywhere in the world)

2. I say it 6 times while praying the Rosary.

3. I say it once while praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet.

May the Lord answer our prayers. What prayer can be more pleasing to God than this one uttered by his own mouth.

@OP, you didn't tell how often you say it.

JMAN05: You are just pointless. I dont know what you mean by Jesus came in 1914. is it visible or invisible? beware of allegation.

You should tell us. Didnt the JWs prophesy that Jesus would come in 1914?

JMAN05: 1935, I ve explained that to you. 1925, changed. We do not say we are infallible just like your pope.

Didnt JWs teach that heaven got filled in 1935? Didn't they prophesy in 1925 that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would come to earth? Didnt you people build a mansion for them only to quietly sell it when those holy men shamed you and didn't come?

JMAN05: Catholics have made wrong predictions too, even though they claim infallibility and inspiration.

In your fallible JW opinion.

JMAN05: All those things you mentioned above, are not now taught by the witnesses. I wonder how you do your refuting. Is it not this one I see in nairaland?

Why then did they teach lies in the past?

...a Pastor whose cab is advertising a strip joint.

Lord have mercy!

POPE II: thanks. You are right, but to b honest sometime I don't like or want to be associated with those uncouth heretics. Don't know if I'm sinning.

It is not a sin to want to stay away from heretics. After all, it could even be an act of piety if you're staying away to avoid insulting or fighting them.

Just dont take it too far. Do anything for the love of God and love of man and you're safe.

Love them...even if you want to avoid them for some reason. And dear brother, you know that LOVE is an ACTION word.

My humble opinion.

JMAN05: No. I didnt ask him to create a thread. I just told him to feel free to criticise any of our current teaching he feels is against the bible.

Here are screenshots of part of the conversation that led to my opening that thread.

Now somebody sensible, please take a look at my third post on page 1 and tell me who's telling a lie.

(The 2nd pic is the continuation of the first)

adsonstone: Nothing was clarified--simply because of your ignorance.

What has "ignorance" got to do with your lie?

Okay, show other people on this thread where I said Enigma is a liar on that thread, let them know the liar between you and I. Or is everybody but you ignorant?

adsonstone: even before you fraudulently brought in the 'atheist issue' you refused to clarify....now, you think you have found a reason to bluntly refuse right?
Well, I guess the reason behind all these avoidance is simply 'human tradition cannot be clarified neither can it be changed to God's will' or is that wrong?

Why are you "fraudulently" refusing to clarify true religion to Atheists as I sent you to do? Is it because "religious delusion," as they call it, cannot be clarified?

adsonstone: are you a comedian or learning to be one?....because it must be one of the above considering your above statement.

Anyway, re-analyse that passage using both sides (judgment only/ judgment and aftermath).....I dont mind joining you though.

Where is it that people suffer loss before being saved "as through fire?"

loveroftruth: It is really a shame that Italo ever did asked that his name be removed from the OP of this thread when he did not see anthing wrong in calling Jman05 out.



Well, honesty of heart is a scarce commodity in this world.

Smh for him.

Is it that you didnt read my explanation for that or you just have something bad to say about me since I'm Catholic?

Mrlouis: italo italo italo we await your reply.. Forget all these. I directed this thread to you cus u seem to be in a better position to answer. Just reply my questions. Thats all we seek..

Ukuts gp: Italo is already intimidated

Ukuts gp: what is your problem. Can't u see that ur brother is avoiding these questions. So if italo cant answer those questions nobody from catholic can answer it. It is a shame o

If after reading my first 3 posts on this thread, you still decide not to understand what I'm saying, there is every chance that you will decide not to understand whatever I have to say about the Catholic faith.

However, I continue to appeal to the OP, please save from this discomfort by removing my name from the title.

God bless you as you do so.

woky: welcm bro

Thanks bro...I troway salute to everybody.

Sal C: St Linus

Sal C-omputer!



As you don answer the only question wey boys for fit answer...ehn make we siddon together dey look Ube face na...

Sal C: I just hope you are not serving a ban @italo. Your last post since yesterday was hidden and you've not posted again even though you've been on line.

@Damerry good morning.

Anti-spam + bad network.

But I'm good now. Thanks.

Welcome POPE II.

Statue of Mary untouched by hurricane Sandy.

Statue of Mary unscathed in recent earthquake in Philippines.

The Catholic Church teaches that it is a sin.

The Church has ALWAYS believed in purgatory. The date a doctrine is formally defined is not the date the teaching or belief started.

Tradition / Church Fathers
I. The Early Church’s Belief in Purgatory

"And after the exhibition, Tryphaena again receives her. For her daughter Falconilla had died, and said to her in a dream: Mother, thou shaft have this stranger Thecla in my place, in order that she may pray concerning me, and that I may be transferred to the place of the just." Acts of Paul and Thecla (A.D. 160).
"Abercius by name, I am a disciple of the chaste shepherd...He taught me…faithful writings...These words, I, Abercius, standing by, ordered to be inscribed. In truth, I was in the course of my seventy-second year. Let him who understands and believes this pray fro Abercius." Inscription of Abercius (A.D. 190).
"Without delay, on that very night, this was shown to me in a vision. I saw Dinocrates going out from a gloomy place, where also there were several others, and he was parched and very thirsty, with a filthy countenance and pallid colour, and the wound on his face which he had when he died. This Dinocrates had been my brother after the flesh, seven years of age? Who died miserably with disease...But I trusted that my prayer would bring help to his suffering; and I prayed for him every day until we passed over into the prison of the camp, for we were to fight in the camp-show. Then was the birth-day of Gets Caesar, and I made my prayer for my brother day and night, groaning and weeping that he might be granted to me. Then, on the day on which we remained in fetters, this was shown to me. I saw that that place which I had formerly observed to be in gloom was now bright; and Dinocrates, with a clean body well clad, was finding refreshment. And where there had been a wound, I saw a scar; and that pool which I had before seen, I saw now with its margin lowered even to the boy's navel. And one drew water from the pool incessantly, and upon its brink was a goblet filled with water; and Dinocrates drew near and began to drink from it, and the goblet did not fail. And when he was satisfied, he went away from the water to play joyously, after the manner of children, and I awoke. Then I understood that he was translated from the place of punishment." The Passion of Perpetua and Felicitias, 2:3-4 (A.D. 202).
"Accordingly the believer, through great discipline, divesting himself of the passions, passes to the mansion which is better than the former one, viz., to the greatest torment, taking with him the characteristic of repentance from the sins he has committed after baptism. He is tortured then still more--not yet or not quite attaining what he sees others to have acquired. Besides, he is also ashamed of his transgressions. The greatest torments, indeed, are assigned to the believer. For God's righteousness is good, and His goodness is righteous. And though the punishments cease in the course of the completion of the expiation and purification of each one, yet those have very great and permanent grief who are found worthy of the other fold, on account of not being along with those that have been glorified through righteousness." Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 6:14 (post A.D. 202).
"[T]hat allegory of the Lord which is extremely clear and simple in its meaning, and ought to be from the first understood in its plain and natural sense...Then, again, should you be disposed to apply the term 'adversary' to the devil, you are advised by the (Lord's) injunction, while you are in the way with him, 'to make even with him such a compact as may be deemed compatible with the requirements of your true faith. Now the compact you have made respecting him is to renounce him, and his pomp, and his angels. Such is your agreement in this matter. Now the friendly understanding you will have to carry out must arise from your observance of the compact: you must never think of getting back any of the things which you have abjured, and have restored to him, lest he should summon you as a fraudulent man, and a transgressor of your agreement, before God the Judge (for in this light do we read of him, in another passage, as 'the accuser of the brethren,' or saints, where reference is made to the actual practice of legal prosecution); and lest this Judge deliver you over to the angel who is to execute the sentence, and he commit you to the prison of hell, out of which there will be no dismissal until the smallest even of your delinquencies be paid off in the period before the resurrection. What can be a more fitting sense than this? What a truer interpretation?" Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul, 35 (A.D. 210).
"All souls, therefore; are shut up within Hades: do you admit this? It is true, whether you say yes or no: moreover, there are already experienced there punishments and consolations; and there you have a poor man and a rich...Moreover, the soul executes not all its operations with the ministration of the flesh; for the judgment of God pursues even simple cogitations and the merest volitions. 'Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her, hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.' Therefore, even for this cause it is most fitting that the soul, without at all waiting for the flesh, should be punished for what it has done without the partnership of the flesh. So, on the same principle, in return for the pious and kindly thoughts in which it shared not the help of the flesh, shall it without the flesh receive its consolation. In short, inasmuch as we understand 'the prison' pointed out in the Gospel to be Hades, and as we also interpret 'the uttermost farthing' to mean the very smallest offence which has to be recompensed there before the resurrection, no one will hesitate to believe that the soul undergoes in Hades some compensatory discipline, without prejudice to the full process of the resurrection, when the recompense will be administered through the flesh besides." Tertullian, A Treatise on the Soul, 58 (A.D. 210).
"As often as the anniversary comes round, we make offerings for the dead as birthday honours." Tertullian, The Chaplut, 3 (A.D. 211).
"[A] woman is more bound when her husband is dead...Indeed, she prays for his soul, and requests refreshment for him meanwhile, and fellowship (with him) in the first resurrection; and she offers (her sacrifice) on the anniversary of his falling asleep." Tertullian, On Monogamy, 10 (A.D. 216).
"For if on the foundation of Christ you have built not only gold and silver and precious stones (1 Cor.,3); but also wood and hay and stubble, what do you expect when the soul shall be separated from the body? Would you enter into heaven with your wood and hay and stubble and thus defile the kingdom of God; or on account of these hindrances would you remain without and receive no reward for your gold and silver and precious stones; neither is this just. It remains then that you be committed to the fire which will burn the light materials; for our God to those who can comprehend heavenly things is called a cleansing fire. But this fire consumes not the creature, but what the creature has himself built, wood, and hay and stubble. It is manifest that the fire destroys the wood of our transgressions and then returns to us the reward of our great works." Origen, Homilies on Jeremias, PG 13:445, 448 ( A.D. 244).
"For to adulterers even a time of repentance is granted by us, and peace is given. Yet virginity is not therefore deficient in the Church, nor does the glorious design of continence languish through the sins of others. The Church, crowned with so many virgins, flourishes; and chastity and modesty preserve the tenor of their glory. Nor is the vigour of continence broken down because repentance and pardon are facilitated to the adulterer. It is one thing to stand for pardon, another thing to attain to glory: it is one thing, when cast into prison, not to go out thence until one has paid the uttermost farthing; another thing at once to receive the wages of faith and courage. It is one thing, tortured by long suffering for sins, to be cleansed and long purged by fire; another to have purged all sins by suffering. It is one thing, in fine, to be in suspense till the sentence of God at the day of judgment; another to be at once crowned by the Lord." Cyprian, To Antonianus, Epistle 51 (55):20 (A.D. 253).
"Let us pray for our brethren that are at rest in Christ, that God, the lover of mankind, who has received his soul, may forgive him every sin, voluntary and involuntary, and may be merciful and gracious to him, and give him his lot in the land of the pious that are sent into the bosom of Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, with all those that have pleased Him and done His will from the beginning of the world, whence all sorrow, grief, and lamentation are banished." Apostolic Constitutions, 8:4,41 (3rd Century).
"The same divine fire, therefore, with one and the same force and power, will both burn the wicked and will form them again, and will replace as much as it shall consume of their bodies, and will supply itself with eternal nourishment: which the poets transferred to the vulture of Tityus. Thus, without any wasting of bodies, which regain their substance, it will only burn and affect them with a sense of pain. But when He shall have judged the righteous, He will also try them with fire. Then they whose sins shall exceed either in weight or in number, shall be scorched by the fire and burnt: but they whom full justice and maturity of virtue has imbued will not perceive that fire; for they have something of God in themselves which repels and rejects the violence of the flame." Lactantius, The Divine Institutes, 7:21 (A.D. 307).
"Then we commemorate also those who have fallen asleep before us, first Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles, Martyrs, that at their prayers and intercessions God would receive our petition. Then on behalf also of the Holy Fathers and Bishops who have fallen asleep before us, and in a word of all who in past years have fallen asleep among us, believing that it will be a very great benefit to the souls, for whom the supplication is put up, while that holy and most awful sacrifice is set forth. And I wish to persuade you by an illustration. For I know that many say, what is a soul profited, which departs from this world either with sins, or without sins, if it be commemorated in the prayer? For if a king were to banish certain who had given him of-fence, and then those who belong to them should weave a crown and offer it to him on behalf of those under punishment, would he not grant a remission of their penalties? In the same way we, when we offer to Him our supplications for those who have fallen asleep, though they be sinners, weave no crown, but offer up Christ sacrificed for our sins, propitiating our merciful God for them as well as for ourselves.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 23:9,10 (c. A.D. 350).
"I think that the noble athletes of God, who have wrestled all their lives with the invisible enemies, after they have escaped all of their persecutions and have come to the end of life, are examined by the prince of this world; and if they are found to have any wounds from their wrestling, any stains or effects of sin, they are detained. If, however they are found unwounded and without stain, they are, as unconquered, brought by Christ into their rest." Basil, Homilies on the Psalms, 7:2 (ante A.D. 370).
"Lay me not with sweet spices: for this honour avails me not; Nor yet incense and perfumes: for the honour benefits me not. Burn sweet spices in the Holy Place: and me, even me, conduct to the grave with prayer. Give ye incense to God: and over me send up hymns. Instead of perfumes of spices: in prayer make remembrance of me." Ephraem, His Testament (ante A.D. 373).
"Useful too is the prayer fashioned on their [the dead’s] behalf...it is useful, because in this world we often stumble either voluntarily or involuntarily." Epiphanius, Panarion, 75:8 (A.D. 375).
"When he has quitted his body and the difference between virtue and vice is known he cannot approach God till the purging fire shall have cleansed the stains with which his soul was infested. That same fire in others will cancel the corruption of matter, and the propensity to evil." Gregory of Nyssa, Sermon on the Dead, PG 13:445,448 (ante A.D. 394).
"Give, Oh Lord, rest to Thy servant Theodosius, that rest Thou hast prepared for Thy saints....I love him, therefore will I follow him to the land of the living; I will not leave him till by my prayers and lamentations he shall be admitted unto the holy mount of the Lord,to which his deserts call him." Ambrose, De obitu Theodosii, PL 16:1397 (A.D. 395).
"Other husbands scatter on the graves of their wives violets, roses, lilies, and purple flowers; and assuage the grief of their hearts by fulfilling this tender duty. Our dear Pammachius also waters the holy ashes and the revered bones of Paulina, but it is with the balm of almsgiving." Jerome, To Pammachius, Epistle 66:5 (A.D. 397).
"Weep for the unbelievers; weep for those who differ in nowise from them, those who depart hence without the illumination, without the seal! They indeed deserve our wailing, they deserve our groans; they are outside the Palace, with the culprits, with the condemned: for, "Verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven." Mourn for those who have died in wealth, and did not from their wealth think of any solace for their soul, who had power to wash away their sins and would not. Let us all weep for these in private and in public, but with propriety, with gravity, not so as to make exhibitions of ourselves; let us weep for these, not one day, or two, but all our life. Such tears spring not from senseless passion, but from true affection. The other sort are of senseless passion. For this cause they are quickly quenched, whereas if they spring from the fear of God, they always abide with us. Let us weep for these; let us assist them according to our power; let us think of some assistance for them, small though it be, yet still let us assist them. How and in what way? By praying and entreating others to make prayers for them, by continually giving to the poor on their behalf." John Chrysostom, Homilies on Phillipians, 3 (ante A.D. 404).
"If the baptized person fulfills the obligations demanded of a Christian, he does well. If he does not--provided he keeps the faith, without which he would perish forever--no matter in what sin or impurity remains, he will be saved, as it were, by fire; as one who has built on the foundation, which is Christ, not gold, silver, and precious stones, but wood, hay straw, that is, not just and chasted works but wicked and unchaste works." Augustine, Faith and Works, 1:1 (A.D. 413).
"Now on what ground does this person pray that he may not be 'rebuked in indignation, nor chastened in hot displeasure"? He speaks as if he would say unto God, 'Since the things which I already suffer are many in number, I pray Thee let them suffice;' and he begins to enumerate them, by way of satisfying God; offering what he suffers now, that he may not have to suffer worse evils hereafter." Augustine, Exposition of the Psalms, 38(37):3 (A.D. 418).
"And it is not impossible that something of the same kind may take place even after this life. It is a matter that may be inquired into, and either ascertained or left doubtful, whether some believers shall pass through a kind of purgatorial fire, and in proportion as they have loved with more or less devotion the goods that perish, be less or more quickly delivered from it. This cannot, however, be the case of any of those of whom it is said, that they 'shall not inherit the kingdom of God,' unless after suitable repentance their sins be forgiven them. When I say 'suitable,' I mean that they are not to be unfruitful in almsgiving; for Holy Scripture lays so much stress on this virtue, that our Lord tells us beforehand, that He will ascribe no merit to those on His right hand but that they abound in it, and no defect to those on His left hand but their want of it, when He shall say to the former, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom," and to the latter, 'Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.'" Augustine, Enchiridion, 69 (A.D. 421).
"During the time, moreover, which intervenes between a man's death and the final resurrection, the soul dwells in a hidden retreat, where it enjoys rest or suffers affliction just in proportion to the merit it has earned by the life which it led on earth." Augustine, Enchiridion, 1099 (A.D. 421).
"For our part, we recognize that even in this life some punishments are purgatorial,--not, indeed, to those whose life is none the better, but rather the worse for them, but to those who are constrained by them to amend their life. All other punishments, whether temporal or eternal, inflicted as they are on every one by divine providence, are sent either on account of past sins, or of sins presently allowed in the life, or to exercise and reveal a man's graces. They may be inflicted by the instrumentality of bad men and angels as well as of the good. For even if any one suffers some hurt through another's wickedness or mistake, the man indeed sins whose ignorance or injustice does the harm; but God, who by His just though hidden judgment permits it to be done, sins not. But temporary punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by others after death, by others both now and then; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But of those who suffer temporary punishments after death, all are not doomed to those everlasting pains which are to follow that judgment; for to some, as we have already said, what is not remitted in this world is remitted in the next, that is, they are not punished with the eternal punishment of the world to come." Augustine, City of God, 21:13 (A.D. 426).
"But since she has this certainty regarding no man, she prays for all her enemies who yet live in this world; and yet she is not heard in behalf of all. But she is heard in the case of those only who, though they oppose the Church, are yet predestinated to become her sons through her intercession...For some of the dead, indeed, the prayer of the Church or of pious individuals is heard; but it is for those who, having been regenerated in Christ, did not spend their life so wickedly that they can be judged unworthy of such compassion, nor so well that they can be considered to have no need of it. As also, after the resurrection, there will be some of the dead to whom, after they have endured the pains proper to the spirits of the dead, mercy shall be accorded, and acquittal from the punishment of the eternal fire. For were there not some whose sins, though not remitted in this life, shall be remitted in that which is to come, it could not be truly said, "They shall not be forgiven, neither in this world, neither in that which is to come.' But when the Judge of quick and dead has said, 'Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world,' and to those on the other side, 'Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels,' and 'These shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life,' it were excessively presumptuous to say that the punishment of any of those whom God has said shall go away into eternal punishment shall not be eternal, and so bring either despair or doubt upon the corresponding promise of life eternal." Augustine, City of God,2 1:24 (A.D. 426).

adsonstone: the bold is correct.
I delibrately pretended not to see it.
Why: I suppose it has been settled/clarified on that thread.

Nothing was clarified. "Show me where I called him liar" was my constant call.

One month later, you can't show it.

adsonstone: Clarify claims on apostolic succession....

I told you to convince Atheists of the authenticity of the Bible and Christianity. I even gave you a thread. Have you? When you do, I'll clarify apostolic succession to one who has no regard for it.

adsonstone: By the way, have you verified that the passages you presented on puragtory do not speak of such?

Yes. I verified that they dont speak of purgatory inside your lying and hypocritical head.

Logicboy03: 1) Abortion is not forced by any government. I saw your lies about China. Abortion is only permitted. You are allowed to have only one child. Abortions caused by certain mistakes or illnesses have been reduced by modern science.

Stop lying

Olodo! Google forced abortions and cure your arrogance in ignorance!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_abortion

Logicboy03: 2) We are talking about chattel slavery.....chattel slavery. That doesnt exist in any developed country. That is progress. There is no where you will see a chained man being bargained for like a piece of cloth.

chattel slavery has been replaced by modern day slavery. I think you spend all your life on nairaland. Learn about modern day slavery.

Logicboy03: 3) New diseases are a product of evolution and experimentation which most of the time are beyond human capabilities to stop. However, we have removed and destroyed many diseases as a result of modern science. That is progress. New diseases will always come but we are now better equipped to fight any new disease. Progress

Many new diseases are as a result of man's artificial activities or abuse of nature. Many of these can be curtailed or eradicated. Man has just refused to do so.

Logicboy03: 4) Global warming and ozone depletion will happen and it is almost beyond man's ability to stop. As long as we use fire, heat and steam, it is inevitable....blame God for creating such a flawed atmosphere

Are you this uninformed or are you just being dishonest?

Global warming can be stopped according to scientists.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070504-global-warming.html

THIS IS REGRESS, not progress.

adsonstone: regarding the bold;

I'm not claiming ANY authority....by the way, I said the church is infallible with "the Holy Spirit's guidance".

I wonder why you always remove the part in quote when you accuse me if not to deceive and lay false allegations.

and of course, why wont I be averse to the authority the catholic church claims....when those claims are made with lies and all sort of fraudulent activities.
You believe what you practice are God-approved yet He warns against them in the bible.
You fraudulently practice things not practiced by the Apostles yet you claim they were practiced by them and you want to claim authority with these things.
Authority my foot!
Why wont I be averse to it.
Anyway, I'm not 'really concerned' about whats unique to you but I wont stop praying for you. What I'm really concerned with is what general to all christians....you guys are claiming authority with clear lies and fraud.


maybe I should show you your statement again.
I think you have forgotten.



thats your complete statement.

I replied with
"the bold is not true, they believe there is no such person as God" which perfectly answers your statement.

Of course, how can they believe there is a religion or faith in the true God when they believe there is no God??

By the way, I'm not here for your usual merry-go-round and subsequent diversions.

Clarify what's before you and stop being cunning.

And you forget your "Enigma" lie?

Or you deliberately pretended not to see it.

Anyway, I just wanted to prove I have evidence of your lies and hypocrisy.

While you just call me liar without evidence.

Just for fun.

What else do you want me to clarify?

BERNIMOORE: @ italo, (only italo should respond to this querry pls )

i just saw this thread today,

and im picking just your very first allegation, and note pls that im not a jehovahs witnesses, but I am interested because i want someone to convince me and not beign myopic or adamant, but beyond all reasonable doubt, I am not here to defend the jehovahs witnesses, but to evaluate your claims and how substantial they are, and see to it wheather there was a publication of which you can make a full page available here on the thread or a PDF or even a screenshut ......where russel did actually said that

1, jesus had phisically return to the earth in 1914 and gone

First, you have to show me where I said the bold.

Here's my post which you quoted below:

italo: Russell lied to his followers Jesus would return in 1914.

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible.

True or false?

BERNIMOORE: @ italo, (only italo should respond to this querry pls )

i just saw this thread today,

and im picking just your very first allegation, and note pls that im not a jehovahs witnesses, but I am interested because i want someone to convince me and not beign myopic or adamant, but beyond all reasonable doubt, I am not here to defend the jehovahs witnesses, but to evaluate your claims and how substantial they are, and see to it wheather there was a publication of which you can make a full page available here on the thread or a PDF or even a screenshut ......where russel did actually said that

1, jesus had phisically return to the earth in 1914 and gone

First, you have to show me where I said the bold.

49cents: @ those missing the point at the Pope's gesture of touching that man with that genetical disease vis a vis that doctors and nurses also could touch the same man!

When a nurse or doctor touch that man it is first a professional touch nothing humane about it; they are just doing a job they are paid gor nothing more!

But if that same nurse and doctor recognises in thatr sick patient another human person needy of love, acceprtance and compassion then their touch would reach not just the diseased skin but their heart!

We take everything for granted especially the important ones......imagine if nobody dared to touch you becaused of some condition you are living with or even cast a gaze of importance and freindship towards you....how could you live?

This is what is called unconditional affection for another: I embrace you; I accept you; not after changing you but just the way you are!!!!

Have you ever touched those beggers with mangled limbs across lagos streets before? Or have even dared to gaze right into their eyes as give them money......that's the miracle Christ would have you perform everyday.

@those demanding of the Pope a cure.... Mind you The Devil/Anti-Christ perform signs and wonder but they can't love!!! And that's what Pope Francis did

Who is this that speaks so wisely?!

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[quote author=Mr. Aladin]The heavens declare the glory of God and the
firmament proclaims the work of His hands.


Gracias @ all
The will of God has began to manifest in the lives of my family members.

I really appreciate your prayers.

The Lord be with you![/quote]God is giving you a sign. God is telling you something: "if you remain close to me, no one can touch you."

Now is the time to intensify your prayer and sacramental life.

Foward ever!

JMAN05: Maybe YOU should clarify your apostolic succession. You believe that Charles Russell the false prophet is a product of apostolic succession...so tell us who ordained him.

JMAN05: I don't believe the bonded. sorry, no road, divert to the other road.

Oh yeah? This is straight from your organization's publication:

"Jehovah's witnesses have a history almost 6,000 years long, beginning while the first man, Adam, was still alive ... [Abel was] the first of an unbroken line of Witnesses ... Jesus' disciples were all Jehovah's witnesses ..." Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose pp.8-9

So who's lying?

JMAN05 or his Watchtower Society?

adsonstone: have you resumed twisting your old lies and false claims or do you have new ones?

You should be ignoring as you claimed.

Anyway, take it or leave it, I have made myself clear on that passage.

Even if we reason on your position which says 'judgment and aftermath' (which is no nessarily wrong), I'll still show you you're wrong for saying theres a purgatory part in that passage. (should we try?)

....and I did not accuse you of saying that atheists believe there's God.
(I think thats another form of dishonesty on your part.....trying to mix up the whole discussion, make the story long and unreasonable and finally, avoid answering the question of the subject on hand)

my reply that reads 'they dont believe there is any such person as God' was correctly in reply to your statement which read 'they know there is something as faith in the true God but there are many claims to it" (rephrased).

The bold prompted my reply--which was in line with your statement.

Here's your full reply below.

adsonstone: The bold isn't true.
They believe there exist no such person as God.

Why esle would you omit The bold isn't true. from what you claimed your reply if it were not to deceive.

You call me a liar. That is cheap.

I call you a liar and I provide evidence of your lies and hypocrisy.

Another example: in a certain thread, you lied that I called Enigma a liar. It's been about a month and you are unable to provide evidence from that thread.

An evidence of your hypocrisy: you are averse to the Catholic Church claiming authority yet you claim authority for yourself by saying you and your Deeper Life church are infallible.

You will call me liar cheaply again...

...and I will call you liar and hypocrite WITH EVIDENCE.

Ukuts gp: stop trying to avoid those questions posed before u. All this ur stories are nt useful now. All we need is answers. I am waiting seriously, let me see hw u will dislay ur ignorance.

My God!

I've not even started and you're already calling me ignorant...

YOU are just here to fight me abi...

Alright go ahead and fight me. I'm not giving YOU any answers.

After all, when Jesus was taken to Herod and saw that Herod was just being imbecilic, he didn't say a word to him. Let me imitate the master.

italo: ^^^ see hypocrite complaining about provocation.

Well, it is obvious that a human being needs a brain first, then a Bible.

When a human being has a Bible without a brain, the result is this kind of threads.

Ukuts gp: there is nothing wrong with this thread

^^^and this kind of posts.

BIBLE WITHOUT BRAIN.