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Lie lie don start.

First you said angels were treated as if they were God. Now you try to make the word mean "a god."

Does Thomas then treat Jesus as God by calling him "a god." Never.

The Greek clearly shows Thomas called Jesus "My God!"

Even your fraudulent organization hasnt found a way to change the Greek from "My God" to "a god."

JMAN05 is a step ahead of the Watchtower society in lies and deceit.

JMAN05: Sorry for you poor boy. Even if the explanation I gave to Italo wasnt given, your head wouldnt remember that Jesus can be called a god(Theos) and a lord?

If all things were created for Jesus (and they were), then Jesus is God because God said all things were created for himself

Again, you don fail.

JMAN05: If you mean the bolded, then you misunderstood it. the "For" reads "because" in other translation, NW. It shows that after his creation, it was THROUGH him, that all other things were created. Even if it was created for him, the information I want to pass accross is that he was created, after which God created other things through him.

You didn't mention who was with God na...

God said he was alone, you say "someone" was with him.

That someone no get name?

JMAN05: call a translator if you dont understand english.

Nobody ever called anyone who wasnt God, "God." Not even Iin Gen 18:3 that you mentioned.

Thomas called Jesus "God" so he is God.

Drowning man...you're still deperately clinging to any straw.

JMAN05: Angels in the past were often referred to as if they were God in the past cos they represented God. The jews often do that. Compare Gen. 18:3

To clarify, see the last words:

John 20:31

31 But these have been written down that YOU may believe that [b]Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, [/b]and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.

What do you mean by gospel truth?

That Jesus came in 1914?

That heaven got filled in 1935?

That Abraham, Isaac and Jacob came to earth in 1925?

All these Jehovah's witnesses prophecies (and many many more) are what you call "gospel truth?"

hardbody: The reason is simple, Jesus said if they treated him like sh.it, so also will they treat his followers. For the truth seekers, if you find time to listen to them, they will answer all your question, citing your own bible. It appears to me that they are basically the only people that say it the way it is hence a lot of the other religous propagandists do not want to hear them telling them the gospel truth.

By the way i like your moniker @ booty

I receive them well, even though I'm Catholic and they always demonize my faith.

I receive them with love because they are Children of God and I appreciate the zeal they put into preaching what they believe is God's truth...even though they are in error.

I believe I can do this because I know enough about my faith and their to be able to spot their errors.

Many Christians dont know enough to refute them so they feel the best thing is to avoid them.

Its okay to avoid anyone you choose to, but you can do it lovingly and politely.

We are all Children of God.

Those most likely to commit suicide are those with those conditions so it's not misleading.

If I wanted to know which gender earns more in Nigeria, shouldn't I be testing on those among both genders who are most likely to earn money at all?

Another interesting thing is even their family members (who are also more likely to be Atheists) are more likely to commit suicide too. Those ones aren't necessarily depressed. They are Atheists...or family of Atheists.

emk4lif: The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is
no more to the point than the fact that a drunken
man is happier than a sober one. — George Bernard
Shaw
Moreover the study was confined to patients suffering from acute depression

mazaje: This topic is very misleading. . .The subjects of this study were people with some form of mental depression and disorder not just normal people a caveat the OP did not underscore. . .

I dont know the stone age man but I think the most ancient men were better-off than me in certain ways and I am better-off in certain ways.

You think you're better in all ways?

Mr Troll: Mazaje has answered you but let me ask you, Do you think the stone age man was better than you?

mazaje: Study history my friend. . .People were so violent that they used to build walls around their cities. . . .If any body ventures outside the walls the person is toast. . .

Now people are so violent that high walls around their houses cant save them from the bombs of your so-called progress.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180

mazaje: We have found cure to many diseases,

You have found cure to many diseases but even some of the machines and you use to cure this diseases (among other machines and chemicals) have help in creating new ddiseases and ailments. E.g Cancer of the 'everything.'

mazaje: 2000 years ago the average life expectancy world wide was like 35 years old. . Now in some places it is as high as 80. .

There's no need to talk about 2000 years ago without solid proof. Here in Africa, it is well known that our grand-parents and great grand parents lived much longer and stronger lives than we are currently doing.

mazaje: Blacks and whites now leave together so much so that a black man is now the president of the most powerful nation on earth which happens to be a white majority nation. . .600 years ago blacks were only slaves to whites.

Blacks now live with white but black sons dont know their black fathers. Black families cant live together. They cannot even share a meal together.

mazaje: . .We as a race have really progressed, we are not as violent as we used to be and we are now more tolerant of each other. . .Read the nonsense violence in the old testament, during that time you can just invade a country kill them all and claim your god told you to do that. . .No one can try it now. . .

It is even worse in this our last century. WW2 alone killed more people than all the wars of history put together. Now leaders invade countries, kill them and claim their god (their self) told them to do that. E.g Hitler against the world, George Bush against Iraq, Saddam against Kuwait.

We are not just invading countries now, we are invading the womb (which should be the safest place) and exterminating our most vulnerable neighbours. Mothers are killing their own children. We have even gotten to the stage of infanticide...where people kill new-born babies that were not aborted. The Chinese Govt practices forced abortion where they hunt down pregnant women of even 9months and abort their babies forcefully. People are raping 2yr old girls...its all over the news. TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE!!!

Where's the progress

Deceit!

I never narrowed this question to those few verses.

I asked about the passage and you know it.

adsonstone: Check the verses I posted (13-15)
or maybe I should post them fully.


13 Every man's work shall be made manifest:
for the day shall declare it, because it shall be
revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every
man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built
thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall
suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

These talks strictly about judgment (and reward) only.

The one that talks about destruction, which I mentioned earlier is

17 If any man defile the temple of God, him
shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

This is the destruction verse....and the reason for destruction is clear.

Very simple!

Hope that's been clarified.

No answer is given you because, in the first place, you have no regard for apostolic succession.

It would be like answer an Atheist's question on the Bible. You'd be wasting your time because they have no regard for the authenticity or veracity of the Bible. Go and try it. There are many Atheists on nairaland waiting for you to answer them questions on the Bible.

https://www.nairaland.com/1515303/some-arguments-against-bible-joshthefirst#19499428

When you do that, and get any results, I will answer you.

adsonstone: You see, no honest answer.

For now, they are dubious claims which you don't expect me to believe and since you can't clarify your position, it remains a dubious claim.

Anyway, it doesn't mean a thing to me (as long as they are not clarified).

Thank you for this.

About my promised thread, I'm still working on it. My internet was really slow over the weekend so I had a backlog of work to attend to.

Let's watch out for this weekend.

damerry: salient points from both revelations

[b]i. Souls in purgatory (church suffering) can do nothing to save themselves they need our prayers (church militant)

ii. The best and effective way to pray for them is to
1...offer Holy Mass for their souls
2.... Stations of the cross
3.... The holy rosary
(please be sure of praying @ least two of these prayers)

prayer of saint Gertrude the great, a prayer which would release 1,000 souls from purgatory each time it is said

"Eternal Father, i offer Thee the most precious blood of thy divine son, Jesus, in union with masses said throughout the world today for all the Holy souls in purgatory, for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the universal church, those in my own home and within my family, Amen"

the above prayer ( prayer of saint Gertrude )can be said @ any time and it's one of the most brief powerful prayer that benefits the holy souls in purgatory, you can say it over and over..
1..When idle
2..when walking on the streets alone
3.. After any "glory be to the father and to the son......."

please work for the Holy souls in purgatory, they in turn, will not fail to pray for you by offering their sufferings to God for the intentions of the souls that prays for them.

please visit/revisit d links and post more salient points i failed 2 notice.

My 2cents[/b]

I have never heard or read or even dreamt of homily by a lay person.

Except someone is about to teach me something new.

Ubenedictus: d priest abused d liturgy.

Joshthefirst: I'm sorry, but we know only Jesus Christ, and we base our lives on his revealed words. We will not enter into rebellion by esteeming the words of a man more than the words of Christ and the bible.

You get it wrong.

The OP said the the Catholic Church which instituted Christmas is the universal Church, intending that to mean all "Christians."

So I referred him to the man who was first recorded to use the term "Catholic Church." He should know, shouldn't he? After all, Jesus never mentioned "Catholic."

So I invite you to read from St. Ignatius letter above to see if you are a part of the Catholic (Universal) Church or not.

Do you believe in the Eucharist?

Who is your Bishop?

*Another point to note, regarding the topic: Jesus never mentioned or instituted Christmas, this same Eucharist-believing, Bishop-following Catholic Church did. So why do you celebrate it. If you dont, why aren't you taking your issues up with the OP but me?*

Mr Troll: history has shown that Man has actually progressed, not fallen. from the stone age all the way to the information age. it is only religions and religious folks that take pains to tell us that we were once perfect and has now fallen with no verifiable proof anywhere, except well...in their holy books. jokers!

How have we progressed?

We have phones and devices that can connect Lagos to Sydney; but we are increasingly distant from those right under our noses (even our Children)

We have made great technological advancement yet we've used some of them to turn the last century into the most bloody in the history of the world. (World wars 1&2)

The irresponsible abuse of our planet has caused global warming and the massive climate change is a major cause of the typhoon we've just seen in Philippines among others.

Where is the progress? It seems like you're the joker.

^^^

Let me be frank with you, I didnt read that post of yours once I saw that it was long.

There is no point writing a long dubious epistle.

You said we the Catholic Church has only celibate Priests.

I showed you married Priests of the Catholic Church.

You were wrong, drowning man, period!

Ukuts gp: is the bible not clear enough to understand? It is not a riddle that may be difficult to figure out.

You believe the Bible is easy to understand?

Let us see what the one whom Jesus made our shepherd thinks:

2 Peter 3:15 - And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you:16 - As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

You see that you and St. Peter are not practising the same faith?

You see that your interpretation is different from that of St. Peter?

So what religion are you practising?

mimopel: Hmmmmm.....u re wonderful ola!!....so much true..esp d catholic turning into roman catholic, God I cry @ dia dedicatd ignorance...gud work

Read from St. Ignatius above and see if you fit in to his Catholic Church.

Yet many Atheists mock we believers for not living life to the full.

hisblud: did i read the above correctly? This bible must be another mistake that needs to be changed again. Infact, this is italo's deceit at maligning the jw by quoting this trinity stuff out of NWT, LOL

Of course, you should know they will soon change it to say something else.

truthislight: "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
(Colossians 1:18).

Jesus is the first from the death that Yahweh personally resurected to imortal heavenly life by himself and the last to be so resurrected by Yahweh personally, every other subsequent resurection will be done by Jesus christ.

That ^ is how Jesus is the first and the last.

Just look at the meaninglessness that you concocted up there... isnt it in black and white anymore?

You say Yahweh resurrected Jesus. Jesus says he would resurrect himself (Jonn 2:18, 19)

You say that Jesus resurrects everyone else. But God raises other people:

1 Cor 15:38 - But God giveth it a body as he will: and to every seed its proper body.

Acts 24:15 - Having hope in God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection of the just and unjust.

1 Sam 2:6 - The Lord killeth and maketh alive, he bringeth down to hell and bringeth back again.

I hope it is clear to you that your explanation is massively flawed.

God is the first and the last.

Jesus is the first and the last.

Jesus is God, not Archangel Michael, as you say!

JMAN05: It said that wisdom was produced, so saying it is talking about ordinary wisdom, will be saying that God lacked wisdom sometime ago. this is impossible.



I think your confusion is in "in the beginning" in john1:1. that place doesnt mean in the infinite past, but in the beginning of creating other things. ie except Jesus.

we have already been told that Jesus was produce (prov. . the description of john 1:1 found a similarity in collosians. we read.

Colossians 1:15-16 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

This indicate that Jesus was the first to be created as Proverb also confirms. after his creation, God created other things through him.



Dont insert wisdom there, just say Jesus. because the wisdom there stands for Jesus. Ya, there was a time God was alone before He created Jesus as the above shows.

Who exactly were all things created for...God or Jesus?

John 20:28 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” --NWT (Jehovah's Witnesses) Bible.

Was Thomas blaspheming?

OLAADEGBU: The Catholic Church means the universal Church at large and not the Roman Catholic Church that it came to be.

You shouldn't be the one to describe what The Catholic Church is. Let us see what St. Ignatius has to say. It was he who is first recorded to use the term "Catholic Church."

St. Ignatius' Letter to the Smyrneans (110AD)

Chapter 7. Let us stand aloof from such heretics
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ


Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Who is your Bishop, Olaadegbu?
Do you believe in the Eucharist, Olaadegbu?

You arent a part of the Catholic Church!

OLAADEGBU: It is also unfortunate that the Roman Catholic Church now bows at the alter of Charles Darwin by believing and teaching the theory of evolution in explaining the beginning of all things which has now turned people's mind away from God.

What has this lie got to do with Christmas?

Ukuts gp: not me but that's what d bible says. Or u think the bible is lying abi. Or u think that God is a respecter of persons. I shake my head in pity for you.

Why should I take your interpretation of the Bible?

Are you Jesus?

adsonstone: Likewise you towards Ukuts gp.

What have I done wrong to Ukuts?

adsonstone: I expected you to copy and paste in a new quote.



It has to be.....because that's what you believe.....it is not necessarily true (the truth).

Like you said "what is true/correct to you doesn't mean a thing to the next person"

That's why I'm not heckling people to believe as I do... I mainly react when my belief is attacked.

I know what I believe is true, but I understand that not everyone would feel that way.

So I propose the truth i know when I can, when they refuse, I let them be.

I dont set out to attack other people's faiths because I am not a Pentecostal.

Now, what part of that is biting your body?

Ukuts gp: u did not see the scripture i quoted for u i think. Where did u learn how to curse and insult at the same time? Well, i think u know. But know that Nobody condemned ur so called church. I am just pointing out some of its human traditions and pagan practices that are contrary to the bible's teaching. Is that what is called judging in ur dictionary? Why are u crucifying me for speaking the truth. I thought u will even be thanking me for bringing those things to ur notice which ur myopic eyes fail to see but u are doing otherwise. It ought not to be so my friend. I want ur eyes to be open that's all. Nothing more

You have already judged and condemned us to hell.

Yet you wont let us walk to hell in peace.

Ukuts gp: u see how u are deceiving urself. The guy learns it from the catholic church. And the thing is in his blood

The way you reason ehn...

You wont talk like a human being...

...and you wont let someone talk to human beings.

adsonstone: ....and why did He not follow this;

"Bless them that curse you, and pray for
them
which despitefully use you."
Luke 6:28

Perhaps, You (personally) need to teach him how to be obedient to lessons in the bible if He cannot learn it directly from the bible or from your Church.

Perhaps you need to mind your business and remove the speck in your own eye first...

...then you might see the beam in Chukwudi's eye.

adsonstone: Excuse me,
May I know the reason you carefully removed all the doctrines concerning the catholic church?

Dummy, when you quote an already quoted piece, it doesnt appear.

adsonstone: In addition to all is quoted;



Likewise, the catholics believe that if you don't practice/believe in these (and many more similar ones), you're in error, out of the true church and perhaps- lost.

The bold is very correct.

adsonstone: You say 'regard'?
Regard for dubious claims?
Perhaps, when its set straight.

and....the question before you is:

Who do we believe?
The Roman catholics or the orthodox?

If you have no serious answer, indicate please; and stop making the whole 'claim' more dubious.

You have no regard for apostolic succession. It is no use wasting my time.

Keep believing your CEO, Kumuyi.