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adsonstone: I mean only the one mutually exclusive to u guys. The first 6 are believed by 90% of all christian denominations....

adsonstone: and for number 13 and 14, that's where your disagreement is at its apex.


You believe your pope is Peter's direct successor and infallible....they believe theirs is Peter's direct successor and fallible.

adsonstone: Who do we believe??

I don't have to expound the deuterocanons as that would be too bad for you.


By the way, is that 99.9999% of like doctrines?......I urge you to go on listing.

You better stop being deceived and choose to see light.

adsonstone: I mean only the one mutually exclusive to u guys. The first 6 are believed by 90% of all christian denominations....

adsonstone: and for number 13 and 14, that's where your disagreement is at its apex.


You believe your pope is Peter's direct successor and infallible....they believe theirs is Peter's direct successor and fallible.

adsonstone: Who do we believe??

I don't have to expound the deuterocanons as that would be too bad for you.


By the way, is that 99.9999% of like doctrines?......I urge you to go on listing.

You better stop being deceived and choose to see light.

adsonstone: Of course, I said so because the passage did not state what the reward is....and we both know that God's destruction is eternal damnation in Hell.

adsonstone: Like I said above and I gave my reason for that. You on the other did not give reasons for declaring that that reward is heaven.

This cannot be the reason you ascert that they hadn't been judged. I ask again: give me your reason.

If Jesus didn't state whether or not they were judged why are you so sure they weren't? Mr Bible alone..or are you appealing to tradition not in the Bible?

adsonstone: Regarding the bold, yes. Every dead goes there.

I just don't think its before judgment, I know its before judgment.

adsonstone: And here, in 2 Peter 2:4, the Apostle Peter confirms that The sinning angels are reserved in hell (hades)....for judgment.


Finally, in Revelation, and here's the reason I said Hell(hades) is not eternal....because it will be emptied (of the dead), and casted into the lake of fire and the dead in it will be judged as shown in revelation 20:13-15.

"13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in
it; and death and hell(hades) delivered up the dead
which were in them: and they were judged
every man according to their works.

This verse exposes and embarrasses the false teaching of Italo and the catholic church that they are judged before taken to sheol/hades/purgatorium. (Hell or purgatory) as translators may put it, they are judged after it is emptied, not before.

adsonstone: 14 And death and hell(hades) were cast into the lake of
fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the
book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The final verse destroys the teaching that all souls in hades/sheol/purgatorium (hell or purgatory) are heaven bound. The bible opposes that, it shows that after judging them, all that are not found worthy (in the book of life) will be cast into the lake of fire.

preciousan: 6. Have I observed the laws of the Church
concerning Marriage, i.e.: Marriage without a
priest present, or marrying a relative or non-
Catholic?
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Does it mean that it is against your belief and laws in catholic to marry non-catholics?

Rich4god: Just thinking... Is it not best we remain in defensive position in matters of faith and church arguments... No need making noise just like others do by simply trying to attack another persons believe. In as much as I knw that when you see the truth, you speak out. But when we open thread to teach the truth, we shouldn't make the thread look like an attack on their faith, but more like a corrective and enlightening measures. My 2cents.

italo: @JMAN05,

If your light gets brighter each day, why do you keep going back to what you taught before you moved onto "brighter light?" E.g

1903 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1940 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.
1978 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus.
1980 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah.

Which one is the brighter light now?

Is it 1980 or 1978?

If 1980, which is the same as 1940, it means you moved back to darkness in 1978, meanwhile, then you called it brighter light.

How can evil liars like you be trusted?

JMAN05:
I never saw where he claimed inspiration from God. the truth we discover is by the leading of the spirit, but it comes gradually. Not that we hear a special voice from God, nor possess miraculous power like people of old. It is God's leading cos we discover those truths from the bible. This never mean we dont make mistakes as humans, but an INSPIRED word from God doesnt make mistakes. this we dont claim to possess. We do not possess that miraculous power to know.

However, even God presents His truths gradually. When God instituted the Mosaic law, He made no mistake cos that was a step to another step. So when the time came, He removed that law. can we now say that the former truth(the law) has been replaced by another truth(law of christ)? No. God is rather unveiling the truth, not replacing it.

I think that is what that article want to buttress in one of the points it made above.

So was the circumcision issue. in the bible book of Amos, God had shown that people of the gentiles will come in, but He never revealled it until after pentacost, when James quoted it. But that scripture has been there when the teaching of circumcision was taught, but God never allowed any to know it then, until the jerusalem meeting. compare also Dan. 12:4

so light shines brighter and brighter. that is God's way of leading His people. though some mistakes could be out of human error, we cannot also dismiss the fact that truth come gradually.

JMAN05: Granted it fulfilled it, but it also abolished it. It contradicted it in many respects. the law allowed all sabath observance, but the new one didnt. the law made circumcision a requirement, the new one didnt. the law made israel a special people, the new one didnt, the law authorised killing for some crimes, the new one didnt. Habah! many many more na.

woky: @ Italo and chidima

do u knw any Rev Fr. Jeol Okojie(osa)??, his from Lagos Archdioces, invited by St. Rita's parish, kano as guest speaker in their 3days harvest revival.

adsonstone: Refers to purgatory in the (only) catholic church's translation.

adsonstone: Thats what the catholic church taught...and you accepted it as the truth.... I dont accept that as true cos thats not what the bible taught. The catholic church cannot bamboozle me with erroneous teachings cos I'm not vunerable to it as you are!

adsonstone: Its not your fault though, its what you've been taught since childhood, not what you studied.


reward- only God knows.

Destruction is definitely eternal damnation in hell.

adsonstone: sheol/hades is not eternal as I have said.

If Jesus said the rich man was enduring torments in hades- then so be it!
He definitely is...and before judgement not after (I have my certain reasons).

adsonstone: ....and for the ones that Paul was talking about, they must be in Hades/Sheol.

adsonstone: Back to your church's teaching on purgatory,

I need simple answers for my questions!

The Catholic Church teaches that all purgatory souls are heaven bound....yes or no?

It also teaches that purgatory is after judgement....right?

Ukuts gp: just read my post again and understand

JMAN05: If you taught John's baptism before Jesus came, were you teaching the wrong thing?

Did abraham get water baptism? but was it falsehood if you never believed in water baptism then?

If you had been teaching circumcision before christ, were you right or wrong? Did that requirement later change?

If you killed a man who made a woman to have miscarriage in the past, were you sinning?

Can you kill a man who did the same today without incuring God's disapproval?

chidima: @italo, thanks will read it up.

@all , today is our harvest retreat vigil and it will be anchored by Fr Tony maria Ozelle. You are all unvited to our lady of fatimah aguda surulere lagos. Come and experience the joy in adoration.

try69: I don't know what you want me to say about this.. This is quite laughable..

You do not claim inspiration HABA!!!

Ok please dear one, explain further..truth comes gradually (after series of lies) to the church by Please enlighten me

JMAN05: You have the opportunity now to prove it wrong.



We do not claim inspiration, but we believe that truth comes gradually as the light gets brighter. That doesnt mean a bad spirit took over, no. Just like a bad spirit didnt institute the law and later removed it.

A bad spirit didnt institute John's baptism and later replaced it with Jesus baptism. truth comes gradually.

adsonstone: if it talks about purgatory, then that passage will mean

"He will suffer loss (in purgatory), yet will be saved, but only as through the fire (in purgatory)."

but if its judgement, then we'll have

"He will suffer loss (in judgement), yet will be saved, but only as through the fire (in judgement)."

the only way the truth can come out is by substituting it that way.

adsonstone: I disagree.
The passage talks of just one. Unless you have tagged reward as heaven.

adsonstone: if they must pass, their works will either abide or burn. If it abides, they have a reward. If it burns, they go to purgatory (re-phrased according to what you have said).

adsonstone: He talks about Himself and Apollos in that verse and goes further to a general verse in subsequent verses.

I repeat: "everyman" in verse 8 seems specifically referring to two men.
[quote author=adsonstone]No, your answers are not straightfoward. They're cunning answers trying to take 'all positions' to be right in 'all ways'.

adsonstone: If its after death, there is but after judgement, there's none of such (a state that is neither eternal bliss nor eternal damnation) (according to bible reports) as your first answer suggested there's 'purgatory' after judgement.

Ukuts gp: nobody is copying the catholic. We copy the bible which is the words of God. Nobody is following the catholics or did u see any pentecostal churches bowing down to statue?

JMAN05: Before you accept Jesus, you must repent na. With faith in the Jesus sacrifice, the saints are declared righteous, meaning that they are counted as being righteous.

there bodies are still imperfect, as such they have a struggle, but this struggle shouldnt lead to making a practice of sin.

So there being declared righteous is not cos of work pah say, it is a grace. They keep on asking for forgiveness when they sin cos their flesh is weak.

Rom. 5:1, 9, 10, 11
"Therefore, now that we have been declared righteous as a result of faith, let us enjoy peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Much more, therefore, since we have been declared righteous now by his blood, shall we be saved through him from wrath. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we became reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, now that we have become reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only that, but we are also exulting in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation."

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JMAN05: what what what is this guy blabbling with his mouth. does he even know what interlinear is? do u knw what interlinear is? I didnt post word for word? lol, now i know the level of u understanding. maybe you dont even know what I am talking about. eyah!

pls paste "ur" interlinear let me see. mine is from Wescot and Hort text. pls paste that yours and the greek master text you used.