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JMAN05: So if Jesus is called a servant in Isaiah and Isaiah the prophet is also called servant, so that makes Isaiah Jesus? wrong answer. answer the question bro.

Fail! Fail! Fail!

There are many servants, many apostles. If two people are addressed "servants," they dont have to be the same person.

There is only ONE God. The Mighty God.

Anybody addressed as God is the same one God.

JMAN05: the link cant be provided oga cos our library online starts from 2000 and above. You can ask loveoftruth to confirm it.

or better still this is a recent statement on that.

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14 In a similar way, at the beginning of
the 20th century, there were a number of
wrong expectations among true Christians
regarding “the last days.” (2 Tim. 3:1 ) For
instance, in the year 1914, some thought
that their being taken to heaven was
imminent.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013684

See how dubious you people are?

You gave a false people that shook many people's lives and even destroyed some...then look how you make it as if it is "some" people that just thought Jesus would come on their own, meanwhile you deceived them.

Is this how Watchtower accepts mistakes?

JMAN05: If you dont respond to that question, I wont answer you. the goal of JWs is to tell you that what they believe is what the scriptures says. So if you ask what we believe, we will let you know how we arrive at that believe. so that you can see that it is the truth from the bible. If not after saying it, u will say "oh that is your doctrine". You now neglect its authenticity.

Also compare Rom. 10:2. I ve been answering ur questions. you keep rejecting without any prove.

reapond to 1cor. 7:39

I have seen the verses you showed me. I dont see how they answer the question he asked you:


Can a JW marry a non-JW christian who is God-fearing and honest in all dealings? Yes or No.

You're just deliberately being dubious and evasive.

We present your teachings with evidence; you lie that it is past teachings.

We ask you for present teachings with evidence; you cant provide.

We ask you to provide evidence for what you claim to be your present teachings; you dont provide.

We ask you questions about what you teach e.g this one about marriage; you refuse to answer.

I debunk your JW lies with Biblical evidence e.g Hebrews 1 & Rev 22; you lie that I reject without proof.

You and your organization are just fraudulent, arent you?

JMAN05: His spirit is His active force. the holy spirit.

So if Spirit - The Father can have Spirit -The Holy Spirit;

Then God - The Son can have God - The Father.

Ukuts gp: Pls put my topic on front page let everyone see it. People must be free from catholic bondage

Please put it on fp.

I'd love others to also see the mental capacity of this organism.

Ukuts gp: i celebrate the birth of jesus which is in d bible. U can go and hug transformer for all i care.

Who told you Dec 25 is Jesus birthday?

It's a pagan feast day and you celebrate it.

@ JMAN05 and other Jehovah's Witnesses,

If Christ was created by God and was the wisdom of God (Prov 8:1-4, 12, 22-31), then before Jesus would have been created, God would have had to have been without wisdom. How is it possible that God could have ever been without wisdom?

Ukuts gp: When the issue concerning the catholic is raised, they always talk about the canonisation of the scriptures to defend their evil man-made traditions as if canonisation of the scripture will save them. They cant even be the one wu canonised the bible because if they do, they will nt blatantly and defiantly go against its teaching like that. This will simply tell u dat catholic is a pagan infested church.

One of our "evil man-made traditions" is Christmas...and you participate in it.

You're evil then.

There's are many disfigured people around us.

Any pentecostal who is jealous that the Pope showed love and compassion to this man should go and heal a person like that man instantly and give us the pictures.

Ukuts gp: The papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite bishop Ciriacus of constantipole who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius.
Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome refused the title, but his successor Boniface III, first assumed the title 'pope'.

You're also a pagan then. You celebrate Christmas that the 'pagan' pope instituted to celebrate his 'pagan' Lord.

Radoillo: So I checked out your threads, Enigma. Didn't read every word though. Just got a general picture. Much of what is there I already knew. I'm not Catholic, Just a historian. And I know its historically inaccurate to say the first-century Christians were Roman Catholics; they were no such thing.

But let's focus on this thread, yeah? You said Christians started compiling the Bible in the 1st and 2nd centuries. 'Compiling', not 'writing'. That's what you said. Are there any sources for that claim?

From my researches, the earliest known canonical lists of our Christian Bible were formulated at the synods in Carthage and Rome in the fourth century. Both places were under the authority of the Bishop of Rome, and belonged to the Latin Church or the Roman Catholic church.

If you have dates from the first and second centuries of Bible compilations, perhaps you would like to share. Again, I emphasize 'COMPILATION'.

Radoillo: The Reforming protestants did terrible things too. Just read the story of Geneva under Calvin, Oliver Cromwell in Ireland, the Puritans in North America, the witch executions in Salem, USA. The history of the church, Catholic and Protestant is soaked in blood.

It's refreshing to see a sensinble seemingly neutral person.

I dont exactly agree with the entirety...but you're making sense.

[quote author=C.Ovo]It's what my catholic friends say.I'll screen_grab some chats I've had with dem.Send me ur email.[/quote]I will open another email and send to you.

[quote author=C.Ovo]Please tell them o!These catholics are so blind and ignorant.They even claim they started christianity,that paul founded the church.[/quote]Do you have to lie and jeopardize your soul because you hate Catholicism?

Which Catholic told you Paul founded the Church?

Please provide evidence.

Or do you people lie because you believe in once saved always saved so no penalty for sin?

The OP is looking for a place that will please her.

God's Church is to please God.

God's Church is one.

God's Church was founded by Jesus 2000 years ago.

Mellin: catholics have priest ..Anglican have priest too...

priest ..pastor.. all na d same..
I won't mention any church here

I just need to know if its right which I have already found out from y'all ..and thanks

Understandable.

[quote author=waldigit ]But house mate, Mary has shrine, even Jesus doesn't have.[/quote]Who told you that?

The whole Church is Jesus 'shrine.' Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament always takes centre stage in every Catholic Church.

That's why all the readings and preaching is done from the pulpit at one end of the sanctuary.

Jesus is the centre of our worship and our lives.

Iceman296: No Catholic Church Keeps record of Tithe Payment.

Of course I know.

I just want him to clarify for some people here:

Acidosis and Gombs.

Kei144: Ga. 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Pr. 16:6 Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for; through the fear of the LORD a man avoids evil.

True love (of God and of your neighbour) is the only thing that really matters. Even if Catholics are wrong in a lot of ways, but they can practice love sufficiently, Pr 16:6 says that their love will atone for their wrongs. Unfortunately, love is lacking in all churches. Roman Catholic, as a body, actually scores higher than most churches in terms of love. This may not apply to individual Roman Catholics, however. And it is the individual Christian that really matters.

I have seen prophecies about how God will visit Roman Catholics during the end-time revival. End time is a pay back time, and God will visit the RCC (notwithstanding their errors) because of the love they have shown to the world over the years. Their mission schools and hospitals helped many. Their motherless babies homes have saved many. CARITAS saved Igbos during the Biafran war.

Christians need to focus more on love; it is lacking greatly in Nigeria.

I am not a Catholic.

You dey make sense small small...even though I dont agree our doctrine is false.

@OP,

Pls clarify, na Catholic Church or not?

Gombs: I do not hate anything that worship n Praise Jesus....even if they do it wrongly, I have no right whatsoever to hate them, all I do is pray for them... BTW, how was mass today?

Happy month of the holy souls...today is dedicated to remember/feast day of St Leo the great. Though he formed the doctrine of incarnation in a letter to the Patriach of Constantinople. Died 461....happy sunday

Thank you. Evening mass will be fine, God willing.

May the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace.

St. Leo, pray for us. Amen.

JMAN05: Wrong. Your priests can ONLY be priests unless they celibate. true or false?

Was that the requirement to be a priest in the bible?

I gave you a go ahead order to criticise, didnt I? and you are also seeing it yourself that what you post is what we ve changed already, which shows that you have nothing to say.

Again, what you guys teach is satanic in that there is no bible support but human traditions put above God's word.

So far in the other thread, you really have not said anything. If you meet a witness now and tell him, "see what you guys teach", he will just laugh at you cos you are not serious. So say something pls.

Haha...dying man.

Celibacy is not a doctrine. Celibacy was encouraged and practiced by John the Baptist, Jesus and Paul.

Jesus is the eternal high priest and he was celibate. If celibacy is satanic, you're saying Jesus who you call Angel Michael is satanic.

You fail! You fail!

Moreover, we have married priests so your above statement is false.

You fail, dying man. You fail Jehovah's witness!

ayoku777: And by the way, Jesus is SO NOT MICHEAL. Infact not only is Jesus God, according to Isaiah 9v6 and John 1v1; He is also infact JEHOVAH.

Jeremiah 23v5-6 ...behold, the days come saith the Lord, that i will raise up unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

In his days Judah shall be saved, and THIS IS HIS NAME whereby he shall be called, the Lord our righteousness (JEHOVAH TSIDKENU). Jesus is Jehovah Tsidkenu, not the Father. It was Jesus who took our sins and gave us his righteousness. So Christ is not just God, he is YHWH like the Father.

And Jesus talks about that "justice and judgement" in Rev 22:
12 - Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works.

Then proclaims himself:

13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Why is that Jehovah's Witness guy telling blatant lies?

Anyway, we know he was taught to lie by the worst liars in the history of lying.

@OP, Thanks for at least editing the topic. It sounds much better and more prudent.

Dominus Vobiscum.

May the Lord have mercy!

Amen.

kingk: Bro some of your posts here is so hilarious........ I do wonder from the way you reply to (adsonstone): that you truly know all the bible and interpret es well BUT the (quote ) above caught my attention.

Pls for correction purpose, here in (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


So bro not everyone will pass through your hades/sheol please read well.

My dear brother,

You are so blinded by anti-Catholic bias that you dont even realize that we're not saying different things: we both agree that not everyone will pass through your hades/sheol.

Open your closed mind.

@truthislight,

Tnx 4d compliments

hisblud: How can God a Spirit have a Spirit? https://www.nairaland.com/1422575/frosbel-how-god-god/1#18644407

Gbam! If God cannot have a God, explain how God - a Spirit can have a Spirit!

JMAN05: He is.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010250?q=michael+the+archangel&p=par

Hebrews 1:1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world (JW, did God create the world through Archangel Michael? No!) 3 He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (JW, does the Archangel Michael seat at God's right hand? No!) 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs.

5 For to what angel did God ever say,

“Thou art my Son,
today I have begotten thee”?
Or again,

“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”? (None!)
6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.” (JW, is God telling angels to worship angel? No!)
7 Of the angels he says,

“Who makes his angels winds,
and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But of the Son he says,

“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, (JW, did the Father call Archangel Michael God? No!)
the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee
with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades.”
10 And,

“Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of thy hands;
11 they will perish, but thou remainest;
they will all grow old like a garment,
12 like a mantle thou wilt roll them up,
and they will be changed.[d]
But thou art the same,
and thy years will never end.”
13 But to what angel has he ever said,
“Sit at my right hand,
till I make thy enemies
a stool for thy feet”? (none!)
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?

Jehovah's Witnesses,

Why are you lying?

JMAN05: Alpha and Omega in Rev. 22: 13 doesnt apply to Jesus but God. At Rev. 21: 6, 7 where the word occur again, the reference is to God. because it is God whose relationship of Him and the saints are son while Jesus view the saints as brothers. heb. 2:1.

This is another shameful lie.

Rev 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13[b] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.[/b]”

14 Blessed are those who do His (Jesus is clearly referring to the father here, meaning he is the one speaking) commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God(clearly referring to the father again) will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” (this is a repeat of Jesus words in verse 22).

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Clearly Jesus addresses himself as "the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last"

Why are you Jehovah's Witnesses so full of falsehood?

Abi can other people help us judge the passage above?

JMAN05: The fact that Jesus answers the first and the last doesnt change anything. in the bible two people can share one title. Jesus and his apostles are both called "apostles". heb 3:1

The title for both (Jah and Jesus) mean different things. in the original of Isaiah 44:6 the first and the last doesnt possess any definite article while definite article is found at Rev. 1:17. grammatically, the latter describes a title while the former is about Jah's Godship.

Jesus Christ: “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore."

You lie that "the first and last" Jesus said is a title that means something different from that of God.

What does it mean and where does the Bible tell you its meaning?

Some people HATE Catholicism so much that they always look for bad, even in an obviously good deed done by a Catholic or the Catholic Church.

I just wonder if this people are godly or devilish.

God bless the Pope and peace to all people of goodwill.

JMAN05: That he is called mighty doesnt make him almighty God, does it? Gen. 17:1. Does it make him omniscience like God? Can God have a God?

That he is called mighty God by Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6 means he is the almighty God that was called mighty God in by the same Isaiah in Isaiah 10:20, 21 who Isaiah says is only one God in Isaiah 43:10, 44:6.

JMAN05: Do you wamt our position, then see it there. I repeat, what do you understand from 1cor. 7:39? that is our position sir.

Stop being dubious and deceitful. Please answer his simplest of questions.

"Let me repeat my question again, can a JW marry a non-JW xtain who is God-fearing, responsible, hardworking. Yes or No"