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[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]@syncan, u can't compare christ wit nnamdi Azi. cos he is ur felow human being his relatives can keep his pictures or dose it mean my father can't show me d pictures of my late grandma he can cos is my felow humanbeing.[/quote]You really want us to leave our Crucifix and wear your apron instead?

^^^

nwuyag: I have done baptism, 1st holy xommunion and confirmation, but I am not catholic. Why?
Their core belief of how bread becomes body of christ has not and cannot make sense to me.

I would like to talk with you about that but perhaps this is not the right place...or maybe it is, since the thread is talking about Catholics preaching.

What do you think? It's perfectly understandable if you dont want to discuss it.

But still, can you tell the thread your Opus Dei and 'other Sundays' experience the way you talked about the collections in detail?

rmho: Clara Chime ve not seen anything yet, when u collected somebody's husband, u think u can eat ur cake & still ve it? No, capital No.

Abi o. She broke another woman's home and put that one through unspeakable pain and shame. Yet she herself wants to be happy.

God doesn't fall asleep, Clara.

Homebaked: Non catholic: You worship Mary.(accusation)
Catholic: No. We don't . (denial)

Worship must be a conscious and deliberate effort to mean anything. If Catholics truly worship Mary and yet are always in denial, I wonder what benefit will accrue to them.

Finally, some sense.

Why would I deny one whom I worship?

If I worshipped Mary, wouldn't I be proud to admit it?

How can one man see another's heart to see whom they worship?

RationalDude: I don't think people actually sat down together to create the different religions of the world. Most of the founders never really intended to start a religion and the remaining others would have actually believed that god was backing them to create it.

You mean Evangelist Logicboy is lying?

They want to quit now because the Church seems in support of homosexuality.

What about King Henry XVI's adultery and murder that brought about the beginning of the Church?

Those ones arent sins abi?

Syncan: Why not tell us about how it went in the Opus Dei center? Also throw more light on the Sundays that are not in "harvest period", we will like to hear too.

Yes...yes...

I like to hear too.

I'm sure those who say there's no preaching in Catholic Church too would like the details.

nwuyag: I have no reason to exagerate. Infact, I have stayed in an opus dei center sometime ago,(St Jose maria; the way stuff). Its why I said that the motive is not money intended. What I said is completely true. Not everything happens on one day, but @ least the 1st sunday of harvest period has almost all these.

Okay, good.

Do you mind my asking if you're Catholic?

NoProphecy: Maybe the Pope is gay. Prove that he isn't.

You're not important enough to be given such proof. Prove that you are.

If only I were a movie producer. These are the kind of inspiring stories that would make good Christian movies.

...even though tory just dey start.

[quote author=Mr. Aladin]The Blessed Sacrament.[/quote]This one is ordinary monstrance o. No Host.

But lemme try...

Her name is Saint 'something.'

Correct?

Sal C: Ok Rich4god, Italo, Woky, Babestell and co over to you guys!

Why you dey call my name? Dem tell you say I no see the qweshion before?

I'm still on mid-term break pls.

Shebi na you don resume school.

Lol

[quote author=sкчscrαρεr™]yes i do, and i'm not a liar.[/quote]Okay I'm sorry.

But you lied when you said "no, they dont."

Syncan: hahahaha, guilty conscience, hahahaha.

No make laugh tear my bele abeg.

Baba don dey train one student o...

That one sef no know whether to say "Catholic Church" or "(Catholic) Church;" "Church Fathers" or "(Catholic) Church Fathers;" "Catholic Church compiled the Bible" or "Church in Rome (probably Catholic) compiled the Bible."

Lol...

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]the worship idols of jesus , mary and other saints.

and then they kill Pagans and mock us for practicing idolatory.[/quote]If we were pagans like you, you wouldn't be against us.

The reason you are against us is that light and darkness cannot mix.

JMAN05: True Christians worship with spirit and truth, not with any aid. I dont know whether you guys are still under the mosaic law. Any aid the jews used at that time was God's instruction. God provided it not humans. but now worship of God is not done that way.

Who are you to determine how worship of God should be done now? Are you God?

So Joshua didn't worship in truth and Spirit in Joshua 7:6?

God commanded the Jews to commit idolatry?

JMAN05: @op

when you give a 'relative' worship or 'subordinate' worship to Mary, Saints and object, is it not idolatry? Have God given you the authority to give any form of worship to anybody except Him?

No one takes the place of God in Catholicism.

Idolatry is letting anyone or anything take God's place. E.g Mary, Saints, Parents, spouses, money, images, passions etc.

Sal C: Some people are like that, of a truth I thought she was serious and I decided to help, but it seems she gave it up or she wasn't being realistic in the first place.

I think she was just out to condemn. It's normal to have concerns like that but if you wont listen to reasons given or solutions proffered, you definitely have an ulterior motive. You just need to read the whole thread to see all that was said.

I dont believe she's in choir like she said. Who knows if she was even truthful about the parish being in Orlu. Perhaps she thought to mention a place we couldn't reach.

My sister I'm not judging her to be a liar o...but I have serious doubts about her.

Anyway, morning.

[quote author=sкчscrαρεr™]Thanks @nwuyag for supporting me.

Nobody can deny the fact that catholic churches do preaches but if you noticed in my previous comment i focused more on the luxurious lifestyle of the church. I never knew a catholic church could be that materialistic compared to pentecostals untill that day.[/quote]Some liars deny it o. Like this one below:

[quote author=sкчscrαρεr™]No they don't. The last time my friend invited me to a catholic harvest and it was offering all through.[/quote]You know that guy?

nwuyag: @ ITALO
this is very true. I wont lie that they do not preach. They do that well. But the football clubs thanksgiving is the most disgusting. l. I attend a catholic church every sunday. There will be harvest by mid november in the church and they ve taken a whole lot of money. I dont just want to taint the name of the church, but if you want me to say it, I will and you will find out for yourself.
Its no different from pentecostals. They do seed sowing and tithes. Tithes @ the end/begining of the month and seed sowing @ 1st sunday. They also separate family harvest thanksgiving, (which the family will have paid some amount in doing it and will still collect from the congegration) with normal thanksgiving. Let me start naming the collections.
1.Offering
2. 2nd collection and thanksgiving after that.
3. laity collection
4. church building collection.(there is a song for this)
5. tithe
6. seed sowing
7. Harvest;- family, state, society, letter of alphaphet your name starts with, Month of birth and worst of all football clubs.
8. Harvest launching;-harvest dress launching, brochure launching, launching of king and queen of the harvest.
Launching is usually done with huge amounts, then general thanksgiving after the launching.
9. Apart from launching of brochure, people will still pay for things like; supporting Jesus picture on 1st page, mary on 2nd page, pope on third page, bishop on 4th page, priests on the 5th page. (I dont understan these ones). They will also make money on the sales and advertisement in the brochure.
On the harvest day, it will be worse. After the nos(1,2,3,4,6 and 7), there will also be stupid thanksgivings like
1. pregnant women,
2. children(they will use age groups), pry sch, sec sch, under grad, adult, old people.
3. societies; sacred heart, immaculate heart, st anthony etc.(all of them)
Then general harvest thanksgiving, and pass the tray for tips too.
Its a harvest but did I forget to say that nothing(to eat or drink) will be free on that day. Nobody send you. oyo

This thread is about preaching.

You said they preach well, that is good!

How I wish you went on to describe the preaching to the liars above...as you have described the collections.

However, let me address the collection aspect.

Harvest is a time for parishioners to give and give in thanksgiving to God for the blessings throughout the year and in support of their Parish. There are surely occasions when these things are taken too far...that is expected with human beings.

If I asked you to list out the expenditure of that Parish yearly, I'm sure it will far outweigh this you outline.

How then are the Parishes supposed to fund themselves, if not from the parishioners?

However, we both know that you exaggerated. All those dont happen in one day...neither do they happen every Sunday.

adsonstone: I really think you should start a good study on the books in the bible.
Don't you know that Paul's mission was to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jew (that does not nullify Peter from being the head).
The Galatians were gentiles before Paul preached to them, He started the church at Galatia and they took instructions from him because he was the one they knew, not Peter.

Here's an illustration.
In your own church today, you take direct instructions from your cathechist, not from the pope

Regarding the bold, how do you explain this verse.

Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up and said unto them, “Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the Word of the Gospel and believe.

And in that verse, he was addressing all the leaders of the Church, including Paul. Nobody challenged him.

I await you to twist the verse.

Your illustration fails you and corroborates my point. The Catechist teaches me but does not guide the Pope or the Church, which is the anomaly that you are suggesting. The Catechist receives guidance from the Church. The Church existed with Peter as its head before Paul entered the Church. Paul didnt guide the Church. Paul sought guidance from the Church to be sure he "had not been preaching in vain."

Paul was a missionary and the Galatians knew him and didnt know Peter doesn't mean that Paul was guiding the Church. The Church was guiding Paul. When missionaries came to Nigeria, we didnt know the Pope, but the missionaries were still being guided by the Church led by the Pope.

You illustration falls face down!

adsonstone: By the way, I've ignored the 'Enigma' part.
There's no discussion in it.
I think you have even forgotten how you told a big lie against me on this thread yet you keep saying I have lied against you (which I didn't).

Another lie. When will you change?

adsonstone: Lest I forget, you said 'watered down' bible version. ( See the bolded above). Use your own 'unwatered' bible version to explain the Gal 2: 1-2. I wanna hear from you.

"1 Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. 2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain."

There it is. Twist it.

adsonstone: I put the catholic in brackets showing they were not all catholics. I meant the catholic church fathers (the ones who were catholics) affirmed the pope but I still don't see how those ones affirmed the devotion to mary, I'll like you to post an evidence or a link here.

But the ones you said weren't Catholic have been proved to be Catholic na. If you keep lying that they weren't despite the irrefutable evidence shown you, why should I bring more evidence that you will continue to lie about. Show that you have respect for evidence and I will give you more. For now, you have no regard for truth and evidence.

adsonstone: I'm going to leave this out till we start the discussion on the 'diabolical' catholic practices.

The question was: Does it worry you that you are neither able to provide evidence for what you say nor evidence against what we say?(to paraphrase)

I think you have nothing worthwile to say and you dont know which direction you are headed...and you deliberately lack a focus because the truth which you should focus on, you despise it.

Now I ask you.

What are you on this thread to say and where is your evidence for it?

adsonstone: They couldn't have said so afterall, the bible is a collection of many books.
Did you study the old testament at all??
Don't you see in the books of many of the prophets stating 'the Word of the Lord came to...'. Do you need someone to tell you they are words from God before you believe?

By the way, I have heard you now.
We should also know that the church is guided by the scriptures (no argument abt that).

The Catholic Church is guided by Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as the Holy Spirit commanded.

The Catholic Church is the interpreter of Sacred Scripture for the people of God, not adsonstone.

There is nowhere the Bible says "the Bible is the word of God." It is the Catholic Church that told us so.

Those prophets were referring to their specific books or passages, not all 73books in the Bible.

adsonstone: I so much love Your analysis. It makes so much sense.

Analyzing it, we say who makes up 'Nigeria'?
I guess its simply: the people, the government and the people that play active roles. (The land has little to do with it)

Now, the people have a head (president), and other reps at the govt level (senate, house of reps, govs etc). These ones make the law to guide everyone, they are not also above the law themselves. All offenders will be duly punished according to the law (including the reps the people have). Now, should the reps do things contrary to the law because they made the law? No, they will be punished. Or should the people kill themselves cos the law say 'hang offenders'? Or if they do, does that law justify them(since it is in the to hang offenders)? Only the law can kill, not the
people.

Conclusion, after the 'un requested' analysis:
The law (made by the nation) guides the nation, not otherwise.

You left out one critical matter.

You have told us who makes the law - the legislative.

Have you ever seen a case where a plaintiff judges a defendant to be guilty and decides the punishment by just looking at the constitution?

Or have you seen a case where a defendant acquits himself by just reading the constitution?

A body is needed to INTERPRETE the law. - The Judiciary!

So the nation makes the law through the legislative arm, the law (as interpreted by the Judiciary) guides the nation.

Imagine if every Nigerian could interpret the law as he so wishes. Who would be convicted of any crime? Won't that be anarchy and lawlessness?

That's the same lawlessness and anarchy you have in Protestantism today. And do you know what the Master says to those who do works of lawlessness?

"AWAY FROM ME...I NEVER KNEW YOU!"

May that not be anyone's lot. Amen?!

The (Catholic) Church interprets the law through its Magisterium (The teaching office of the Church).

Interpretation of the law is not left to every individual in the world. If it were, we'd have 7 billion versions of the law as you do in Protestantism.

Coming to officials who break the law...of course they are subject to the law. If the Pope steals today, the Pope would still be subject to Church law which states that stealing is a sin.

But in Protestantism, if a Church Pastor does not like the law of his GO, he just leaves his GO's church and starts his own church with his own laws. In the end everyone has his own law. Tell me, what is law when everyone has his own law. It means that if I slap you and you check your constitution and find me guilty, I'll just check my constitution and acquit myself.

ANARCHY AND LAWLESSNESS!

adsonstone: You asked me a question which read:


And your answer to that was Gal 2:1-2.

Now, I said you must have misinterpreted (twisted) that
part of the epistle to arrive at the conclusion that said Paul was guided by the church instead of vice-versa (Paul guided the Church with his epistle). I recommend going back to study (with a simpler bible version) to know who was guiding who. I helped you but here you are again with your normal false allegations.

Oh! Now Paul is the one guiding the Church? !

Paul is guiding Peter and the 12 who are the foundation of the Church?!

Paul is guiding Peter?!

Why should I use a watered down Bible version?

Jesus makes Peter the Shepherd of his flock (including Paul); Jesus tells Peter "strengthen your brethren. " Jesus made him the Rock.

Yet you make Paul the shepherd. The same Paul Peter warned you not to twist his writings to your destruction.

Your lies will end up driving you to blasphemy because you need 20 lies to cover 1.

adsonstone: You did not just reproof in a post, since he has been posting, all your posts have been the opposite of what he says (which is definitely a reproof, though you may not have done it directly or with intent to do so) . When I said you have made him a liar, I noticed how you stopped the posts that opposed his (though, maybe not intentionally) and have started clamoring on 'show me where I called Enigma a liar'

Forget about this "Enigma" reproofing issue. I'm not reading his posts. Once I see "Enigma" I just scroll to the next poster. Give it a rest.

All I ask is that you show me where I called him a liar. And you never said "I made him a liar." That's another lie. It seems you lie for a living.

You are yet to show me where I called him a liar.

adsonstone: By the way, the bolded seeks verification. The (catholic) church fathers might have done that, the apostles has no verified claims that they did that (especially devotion to Mary). I'd like to see your evidences.

So the Church Fathers are now Catholic. Before you said many weren't. If the men who succeeded the apostles were Catholic, the men who chose the books to be in the Bible were Catholic. What else are you waiting for to know that the Church headed by Peter is the Church headed by Clement of Rome is the Church headed by Francis today?

You are asking for evidence for the apostles' Marian devotion. Does it worry you that you have neither provided evidence for what you say nor evidence against what we say?

adsonstone: And here's the reason I said so (the bolded in particular)
I have posted this before, still you choose to ignore and continue your false allegations.



Is it not so evident that you take the Church's decision as the supreme authority of christianity even over the scriptures in the bible? Yet, you claim I lied against you.



Here's your subsequent comment, it displays your choice about what the Catholic church told you about the bible than what the apostles say in the bible about the church.

You believe the bible only because you catholic church told you to believe it...yes or no? (This is a qstn I xpect a straightforward answer, mind you, whatever you say, your answer is already in your statement)

Nowhere does the Bible tell us "The bible is the word of God." It is the Catholic Church that told us so.

Stop lying. I never said or indicated the Church is superior to scripture.

I only indicated that the Churches interpretation of scripture is superior to yours.

[quote author=♥Dεs•Chγκσ♥]I did tell you if you asked politely, you'll surely get a good answer. Well done @ Italo. You defended you faith quite amazingly.[/quote]Thanks.

The tragedy is: there are some who when they have made up their minds to condemn, block all the channels of reason in their heads.

I'm hoping the OP isn't one.

eyenCalabar: Why use aid in worship?

Why not? The Israelites used it.

stexsy: cos that is wat dey do or how ll one define an act of bowing to images if not worshiping idols?

You mean Joshua worshipped images in Joshua 7: 6?

truthislight: The apocriphals has no basis.

Stop chasing shadows.

Next you will mention James since you dont know he was also an apostle. Smh.

This man don dey talk gibberish o. Wetin concern shadow, apocryphal and James with wetin I ask you?

truthislight: all the books of the NT used for teaching were writen by christ apostles

none apostolic writings has no basis to be considered as inspired like that of the apostles.

Is the above true or false?

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]@des chyko, we are tlkn abt cros n nt dose things u mentiond n mind u christ is stil alive. How cn u carry hs cros when he is stil alive. If actualy it was a gud tin he would hav carried it when he raised 4rm death.[/quote]1 Cor1:23. Paul says, "...but we preach Christ crucified..." Why does Paul preach Christ crucified? Doesn't he know Jesus has been raised from the dead? Of course he does! But, he knows that it is through the power of the crucified Christ on the cross that the bonds of sin and death are broken. As Paul says in verse 24, Christ crucified is the "power of God".

1 Cor 2:2, "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified." Again, didn't Paul know that Jesus had risen from the dead? Of course, he did.
Paul preaches Christ crucified because the cross is the "power of God". This is why, we "carry his cross," because we, too, preach Christ crucified. The Crucifix reminds us not only of God's power, but also His love for us - giving His only begotten Son up for suffering and death.
Also, here in this life we do not share so much in the glory of the Resurrection, as we do in the suffering of Jesus on the cross; after all, we must take up our cross daily if we are to follow Jesus, as it says in Lk 9:23.
And, we must die with Christ in order to live with Him as Romans 6:8 tells us. Where did Christ die? On the cross. The Crucifix serves to remind us of these things.
One other passage to keep in mind is Galatians 3:1, "O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?" Did you see that? Jesus was publicly portrayed, before their "eyes", as being crucified. Sounds kind of like they may have been looking at a Crucifix, doesn't it?