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obainojazz:
Ooooh Mpa

[color=royalblue]Even a man in Australia knows the name!

But a man that visits the pub in the SE has not even heard it, nor seen the ad.

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ShaqFu:
A guy who drinks more than you, who visits beer parlours in the South East, who hasn't seen Osofia in Hero flyer, tells you that Hero is a shitty beer, and the guy who sits in his house in Lagos, who thinks Hero is the best beer in the South East, what does that tell you about the guy who sits in his house in Lagos?

I believe you're the one who is making a complete mockery of yourself my guy.

The thing is, I dislike Goldberg more than Hero, yet I know what Goldberg is because of the high level of patronage.

When someone tells you he visited a particular place, the prudent thing to do is investigate if he actually visited those places, you don't debate based on your limited exposure and knowledge.

PS: I've never tasted Goldberg or Moore. See why you're making a complete mockery of yourself.

Have a nice night.

[color=royalblue]When Disstroy drags you, i used to think it was because of an old beef. But now, i understand better.

Hero is a shitty beer and has no ad in the SE because Shaqfu said so.

I hope this helps you sleep soundly tonight.

Chai [/color]

ShaqFu:
Anybody can be anything online, yes, this is why those who lie online are always busted. So you're talking nonsense.

I gave specific location in my hood, if I was lying, nihilistjnr and raumdeuter would have called me out.

I didn't know and care to know Osofia is a brand ambassador for Hero lager because Hero lager is a shitty beer, yet I know the brand Ambassador for Goldberg and Life Lager beer. And no, I mean South East Nigeria.

You can not sit in your house in Lagos, and start debating with someone who has traveled this country.

[color=royalblue]Anybody in Lagos that visits beer parlours, would know that Olamide is an ambassador for Goldberg

He/She would have also seen Phyno, or Flavour on a Life flyer

But a guy who drinks more than me, spent almost all his holidays in the SE, has not seen Osuofia or Zoro on a Hero flyer in a beer parlour.

You are starting to make a mockery of yourself, my guy.

Like i said...You don't like the beer? Its fine

But coming here to cap lies will make people see you as Otumba Lamba

I hope you enjoyed the SE this holiday, drinking Goldberg and Moore[/color]

ShaqFu:
I said it's a shitty beer. You had to call me out with what exactly? Facts? Which facts? Kindly point me to it because i didn't see it.

You told me here not to debate based on the beer brands in the beer parlour I patronize, I asked when was the last time you visited the South East, you ignored the question.

You're debating with someone who spends most of his Christmas and New Year holiday in the South East.

Na WA oh.

[color=royalblue]Anybody can be anything online

I spend most of my Christmas in Texas. Ask Raumdeuter

I spend most of my Easter in UK. Ask nihilistjnr

You are always in the SE for most of the Christmas and New year holding, yet you don't know that Osuofia and Zoro are Hero ambassadors.

Maybe you meant South East Asia[/color]

ShaqFu:
was that my only argument?

Funny how you now focused on it and carefully avoided all other things I said.

Bro, don't sit in your house in Lagos and tell people who travel the country what is obtainable where they travel to.

[color=royalblue]You said it is a shitty beer, and I agreed that it is, because i don't like it too

But when you said it is below the ladder, i had to call you out for such a false statement, and i ensured i gave you facts.

Nigerian Breweries had Star and Gulder brands for decades, but they had to create a new brand, called it LIFE, and signed celebrities of the Eastern extraction so they can compete with Hero.

If this does not tell you that Hero is a force to reckon with in the SE, i don't know what will

While you are here rating it below Moore, a Marketing manager in NBPlc is having sleepless nights because of it.

Just admit you goofed. It wouldn't hurt[/color]

ShaqFu:
what is this man saying. Can you compare Nkem to Pete Edochie?

You're talking about Nigeria bigger than that, where in Nigeria have you been to?

Tell me sef, when was the last time you went to the South East?

Let's remove typing nonsense and start posting with personal experience with location and the likes...

[color=royalblue]Suddenly, you have left your false statement of not having brand ambassadors to the size of the person

As Nigerian Breweries signed Pete Edochie, SABMiller should have taken them to court abi?

They shouldn't have looked for another person, right?

I don't need to know you, to figure out that you make your judgements based on where you stay. If it doesn't exist around you, it doesn't esist

If you want to make this stuff look petty, abeg let us rest.

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GloriousGbola:
I guess that settles it really. The idea of biafra appeals to the people of the east, to Anambra state govt officlais at the time and to Peter obi the man who is running for government of Nigeria.

[color=royalblue]I do not fucckking care what or who it appeals to

We are still in Nigeria today. So there is no existence of Biafra.

If i could produce a product and use part of the Yoruba secessionist logo, so the people of Oyo can patronize it, I will.

If you guys want to keep wailing over Marketing 101, na una eye wahala be that[/color]

ShaqFu:
Dude. Who are the brand ambassadors? Can you compare them to the likes of the one Life and Goldberg Lager Beer are currently using.

You who don't drink, is telling me who use to be the Vice Chairman of drinking about Beer. Bros abeg take your time.

Hero is a shitty beer! It's on the same level with Moore. Moore sef even better pass am. Anybody who drinks on the regular knows this.

[color=royalblue]Nkem Owoh is a brand ambassador for Hero. So Osuofia is now too small to appeal to people of the SE?

I do not care what you do to your liver bro. I do not like Hero beer, the same way i hate 33, Trophy and Gulder.

The beer is nothing in Nigeria, but it dominates the entire SE.

Stop using the brands in your beer parlour in Lagos to make your theory. Nigeria is bigger that that[/color]

GloriousGbola:
Because the brewery IS NOT A PRIVATE BUSINESS. a government of a Nigerian state invested in it. The governor of the state at the time also bought shares in it.

2bn naira of Anambra state money was invested in it.
So it is no longer a 'private concern'

Everyone with a stake in the company is responsible for the decisions the company takes. It is why you see businesses jettisoning their relation with kanye West. Because whatever he does or says also reflects on his partners.

This is also business 101. The actions of your business partners reflect on you.

[color=royalblue]You are just throwing points here and there, hoping one will stick.

Anambra state is in the SE. So, yes, they most likely bought the idea of using a logo that will appeal to the people. Your cry would have been valid if it was Zamfara state money, or Osun state money.

So what is your next point? Anambra is in Nigeria, so it is Nigeria's money?[/color]

ShaqFu:
Bros, Hero Beer is in Lagos, don't say you will hardly see it, it is in Lagos. Ask and they will bring it shapaly

[color=royalblue]I said it is not common.

You that does not even know they had brand ambassadors, called it a shittty beer, is now schooling me on how common it is.
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GloriousGbola:
Nigerians will always be hypocrites.

The same people who scream to high heavens of islamisation agenda will unsee when state government and governor will deliberately choose secessionist symbols on goods they are selling because that will move market.

[color=royalblue]You are wasting the term Hypocrite anyhow.

The governor does not own SABMiller.

This was the same investment that Soludo said was worth next-to-nothing, and we all laughed. Suddenly, this investment is now what will divide Nigeria this night.

It is called Targeted Marketing. You will hardly see Hero beer in Lagos. I doubt if it will exist in other states outside the SE and SS.

If you see it as a national threat, that's on you, sir[/color]

GloriousGbola:
Is castle beer branded with a sessionist flag?

Branding is a very very big deal in business. How is it that with all the logos and symbols, what Anambra state govt and Peter obi, the Nigerian advisors could come up with was a logo celebrating biafra?

People complain bitterly about arabic on the naira and on the army logo but you think this is somehow different?

[color=royalblue]Some of us look up to you as more learned and exposed. If others are making arguments to troll themselves, for the sake of us that are looking up to you, no join them abeg

How can you be comparing a country's national currency, to a product of a private business

Did anybody force anybody to drink Hero beer?
Is Hero beer part of our legal tender?



Like...What is the relationship between both examples?

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GloriousGbola:
Peter obis so called achievement was bringing the brewery that his family had a stake in to Anambra.

There is no way he did not sigh off on it or maybe even suggest it.

I will repeat, I was in an lbs course and the lecturer who was incidentally Ibo was really enthused about the master stroke

The man said biafra veterans would literally Salute the bottle before drinking it.

If the beer had different branding - ndigbo, ohaneze or something along those lines - but a seceesionist movement? And a state of Nigeria and its governor are funding it?

We are already bothered about sharia up north. If kano started a Sharia suya factory, I am sure a lot of Nigerians would have something to say about that.

[color=royalblue]Sir, in all sincerity, I am struggling to grasp your point in this comment.

We as Nigerians, should even be ashamed that some white company, saw an opportunity and took advantage of it, right under our noses

SabMiller produces Castle, Grand malt and other brands. Is that also a secessionist product?

We can keep wailing about how the beer will divide Nigeria. They have counted today's profits, waiting for tomorrow's own.
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BlueRayDick:
The kind low people dey go to find argument ehn....

Like say people no know wetin be marketing niche again

[color=royalblue]You see some arguments, and you just thank God it is online. Because if it actually was offline, people go begin laugh at the depths of ignorance

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GloriousGbola:
Do you agree though that hero beer is marketed and branded as biafran beer?

[color=royalblue]Yes

Is it a Nigerian company? No.

The owners have their market, and they are making their profits. It was targeted.

Is this something I should be ashamed to say?[/color]

BlueRayDick:
This post has ignorance written all over it.

Hero beer is made by the same company that makes Trophy beer, Trophy stout, beta malt and budweiser in Nigeria.

While I was growing up Trophy beer was referred to as "ọtí Iléṣà" meaning Iléṣà beer. Most adults who were in the middle class would not touch it because they believe it's quite cheap and reserved for those who want to flex but don't have much cash to spare. Trophy beer did not gain much general acceptance until maybe after the global meltdown ( if I can remember correctly). It was only after then people started regarding Trophy as one of the cool beer brands.


Anybody who has ever taken a course in marketing will tell u the branding of hero beer that way simply [b]target marketing. You offer a product and brand it such that it appeals to Ur target market who share common characteristics that influence their buying behaviors.[/b]

[color=royalblue]I am surprised people are arguing rising sun above.

Beer wey na Oyibo dey produce.

If i saw a market where Yoruba secessionists will patronize, i would use their logo and make it.

You read some kind of arguments here, and you wonder if we are actually serious or joking[/color]

ShaqFu:
I'm not saying it is low budget, I am saying it is low budget. Very useless beer.

Check out how other lager beer brand, brand themselves. Can the same be said with Hero?

Goldberg have Odulade Adekola. Life have the one and only Ebubedike Okonkwo, Chief Pete Edochie, I'm sure you know about Heineken lol, Hero have nothing going on for them.

I tell you, Life Lager beer have more patronage than that nonsense Hero lager even in the South East. Let me not even mention Goldberg sef.

[color=royalblue]Hero has Nkem Owoh (Osuofia), P square, Ill Bliss and Zoro.

I agree with you that it is shittty, but they dominate the SE.

Nigerian Breweries had to make Life Beer, an Eastern product, just as they made Goldberg a Yoruba product too; with the aim of wrestling part of the market from them

You don't like it, does not mean you should say untrue stuffs about it[/color]

[color=royalblue]Amoto94

I have gone through that thread where you made that comment.

How did you know that guy was Igbo?[/color]

Donjazet2:
Please if you are reading this, make sure you have your PVCs.

Your PVC is your ONLY weapon against your government.
The ballot box is the ONLY way you fight your government.

Go and study all the candidates representing you. From Governor to senator to house of rep, don't reelect any person that has been there before, vote for a new person. A person with a fresh mindset. Let's see this revolution to it's end. Most importantly,

GET YOUR PVC!

ShaqFu:
laws don't work, laws are enforced and those who enforce it are people of repute, people that are devoid of religious and tribal sentiment.

[color=royalblue]So which people of repute are enforcing the laws on one ways in Lagos?

One of the best electrical cables to use are Made in Nigeria ones (You can ask around). So which people of repute ensured that these cables are manufactured up to standard?

Suddenly, we don't have air crashes like before again. Which people of repute did FAAN hire to keep these checks in place?
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ShaqFu:
of course they bad mouthed LASG and say whatever, like they're use to doing. It is among the things they will use to paint LASG bad....

I already picked a side.

[color=royalblue]But the law is still there. It hasn't changed

So why are you using it as an example?

Laws that work is what makes a society sane.[/color]

ShaqFu:
exactly what I'm saying. Knowing the laws are weak, yet you still do the right thing. Not break the law and start claiming to be a saint when you're far from it.

In this country, obeying the law and doing what is right will make people see you as a fool.

Come to think of it, Lagos state government have started impounding vehicles of traffic offenders. I remember the case of one guy who broke traffic law, his vehicle was auctioned only for Twitter users to start calling for people to make contributions to him to help him buy another vehicle.

Bros abeg make we leave matter for matthais.

[color=royalblue]So after people talked and contributed on twitter, what happened next?

Lagos State government changed the law, baa?

Bros, pick one side. You are trying to be herr and there[/color]

ShaqFu:
of course, laws keeps us in check, 200 million people won't change overnight because they're so use to living and breaking the law.

Imagine Rufai Oseni, who drove on BRT lane harassing an police officer and threatening him with calling the governor. Kindly note, he's a coded Peter Obi supporter oh.

Would he have even apologized if he wasn't codedly told to do so. Abegi bros leave matter.

[color=royalblue]Nowhere did i mention Obi in my quotes to you. I wonder why it is coming up.

Rufai used the lane because he knew the laws were weak, and the institutions were not strong (he had the option of calling the governor in his mind, to override the law)

Let the law be forfeiture of vehicle if you pass the BRT lane. Let the government use people as examples, including people in power

Then come back and tell me if Rufai or Ikedia will have the balls to pass that lane in his lifetime.
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ShaqFu:
Yet even with the laws in the US, Congress was invaded by people who in a way, are not different from NANS, who went to prevent people from traveling in the airport.

Hmmm

[color=royalblue]You are making my point for me

Laws are what keeps us in check..

Despite the laws in the US, they behave this way, but you expect 200 million people to automatically change without laws?

You sef, check am naa[/color]

DissTroy:
Shaqfu is the classic Devil's Advocate. He enjoys going against a crowd even if his direction is heading off a cliff, and argues mostly for that sake - arguing.

It's not farfetched to posit he's lounging in a bar this minute with both his legs on a high table and beer bottles all over.

Ask him the same questions tomorrow and he'd shift grounds.

Joe, how many bottles are you on now? Be honest with me.

[color=royalblue]99% of humans are confined by laws. I am wondering why he would expect 200 million people to be different

This is the Almighty USA. Just few days of the breakdown of law and order, they automatically turned to burglars and thieves.[/color]

Donjazet2:
Izzou and blueraydick, I expect an apology from both of you. There is nothing I did not say to prove to you guys how tinubu was running a highly tribal-charged campaign and running a politics of division as evidenced by those around him and hateful vitriol of his supporters.
You guys kept telling me tinubu is not a tribal person.

Well, he himself has come out to prove you wrong. Singling out a tribe for xenophobic and tribal narratives. As I said I expect that apology from you guys. Denying what was very obvious right from time.

https://gazettengr.com/igbos-overcrowding-lagos-because-obi-refused-to-develop-anambra-tinubu/

[color=royalblue]The site is not opening[/color]

GloriousGbola:
You think the UK or Japan has a LAW on jumping queues?

[color=royalblue]I asked concerning the funeral you mentioned

If you want to see Nigerians on queues without enforcement, go to BRT terminals or UNILAG front gate.

People stay on queues without being compelled[/color]

ShaqFu:
abegi. So how do you think our laws can be enforced?

[color=royalblue]The institutions are weak. The penalties are soft.

A yahoo boy scams and gets 2 months imprisonment with an option of fine.

Make it 10 years with no option of fine. Sentence 5 people publicly, and see if it will not reduce

Once upon a time, people didn't care to use seat belts in Lagos. Today, the fear or 20k fine makes almost everybody use it

Asking for the people to willingly obey is just a pipe dream. Even in the abroad, laws confine them[/color]

GloriousGbola:
I am sure you have seen pictures of Japanese and brits queueing without any enforcement. We even saw this during the queen's funeral.

Can the average Nigerian wait patiently in a queue till his turn?

It starts from the way Nigerians are brought up, and the values instilled in them by society

[color=royalblue]Is it allowed to jump the queue during the Queen's funeral?

Why not answer that first?[/color]

ShaqFu:
Lmao. How will a determined president fix our porous laws?

Is the determined president responsible for making our porous laws? Once again, how will he fix it? By enforcing it? Once again, how will he enforce it when the agencies that are suppose to enforce the laws are corrupt to the brim.

In Nigeria, when laws are enforced, Nigerians groan and lament. They complain and attach religious and tribal sentiment to it.

So tell me, is it this police force, that is full of illiterates and halfwits, who expect to enforce laws?

Izzou, you and disstroy are idealists and idealists don't prosper in Nigeria.

[color=royalblue]You are just here and there sir.

You have identified the problem we have as porous laws, and you are still asking how anybody can enforce it.

So, the people will wake up one morning and start paying electricity bills without tampering with the meters? This is laughable.

Remove the laws in UK and US, and they will bypass anything and cut corners.

I don't know if I am an idealist, but your solution can never work anywhere on earth. Maybe in another planet, though[/color]

GloriousGbola:
Definitely not true since most yahoo boys in Nigeria are literally getting away with it.

Most laws and rules are put in place to protect you

You are a smart guy - there is 0 seat belt enforcement up north. Would you drive without a seat belt up north when you know that it will increase your risk in a collision?

Lasbca is in lagos to counter building collapse. Well with or without lasbca I have supervised multiple structures that did not collapse - because I don't want something my hand is in collapsing on a person's head. Or because my common sense is outweighing my greed and telling me this is what can happen.

When the synagogue collapsed tb joshua never faced consequences, though the engineers that built the place did.

[color=royalblue]Laws are not effected here, and that is what your examples are showing

But saying everybody would be well behaved without laws is not correct, sir

Even in saner climes, remove laws and they will turn to beasts immediately.
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[color=royalblue]Have you ever tried to drive into a Military barracks?

There is only one queue for cars, no matter how long it is. Nobody will tell you to join it, but everybody obeys and joins one queue

The same Nigerians that will cut lanes, climb sidewalks and cause traffic, will quietly join the queue when he wants to drive into a barracks.

Nobody needs to beg anybody to change. Just put laws and effect them. Then watch how this country will become sane.[/color]