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paxonel:
it is personal conviction and should not be done in compulsion.
And moreover, having faith is simple when you were brought up with the faith from childhood.
For instance, if you were brought up as a child in a Christian home there is every assurance that you will end up being a Christian.
Same with other religions
it's simple as that
No doubt, they all have faith.
They are all Christians.
But Christians with variation of understanding one book.

The truth is, the book itself does not depend on anyone.
It came with it own teachings which everyone have to follow.
you are not getting it
Heaven or Faith, the are the same thing.

That's why i brought out that scripture Matthew 4:17 to know whether you understand.

Heaven, Faith, The kingdom, whatever you want to call it, they are all the same thing.

And i told you that it does not require full understanding of the bible to have faith.
Therefore it does not require full understanding of the bible to make heaven.
It doesn't matter what denomination you belong, whether they teach ignorantly or not, so long you are in the faith you are already in heaven.
But if you are not in the faith you are doomed
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John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You still manage to shoot yourself in the foot time after time.
So basically what u r saying is anyone born as a Muslim remains Muslim. U stick with the faith u r raised with since you don't need evidence to believe anything. Blind faith is enough.
So its okay to continue in whatever religion my parents give me. So if u believe that diction, then u don't believe in people converting from one religion to another, since they have to keep up the faith they were raised in.
By the way I was raised in a Christian home. Pentecostal to be precise. Became a good Christian. Grew up and realized religion is all about faith. No evidence. None at all. And that is the problem. With faith u can believe anything. And I mean anything. Christians believe they can heal the sick and raise the dead. Muslims believe they got virgins lined up in the afterlife after they blow themselves into oblivion. All with no shred of evidence. That's where my deconversion started. I deal in evidence now, unfortunately

StillDtruth:
Only in the eyes and minds of devils like you, who ofcourse know that they are worthy of hell, so it is expected that you can never approve of it.

<yawn>
Your scare antics get boring everyday. Try another thing… like engaging the topic at hand

StillDtruth:
Even.you must know that this is stupid!

Well, I don't. Try again dumbo!

StillDtruth:
No evidence of dinosours yet here you are believing in them

There are evidence that can give insight into dino daily lives, including preserved gut contents, eggs, nests, footprints, skin impressions and even dinosaur poo. We can even view their fossils all over the world. I have attached their pictures. Unless of course you think we conjured those bones, footprints etc from thin air.
Like I have told you repeatedly, DTruthSpeaker, stay away from scientific discourses. Your brain is way too basic and retarded to engage in it

paxonel:
Having faith does not depend on whether you fully understand the book or not
There is nothing like negligence there.
The book is complex to understand does not stop Faith.
The most important thing is to have faith irrespective of whether you understand it or not.
It is not everyone that is having challenge to understand it.

The way you understand any book you read, you can understand the bible. Only that it requires one to follow the stories precept by precept with comprehension accuracy as if you are studying to write an examination

So you are saying one should have faith whether one understands the Bible or not, init?
Are you aware there are thousands of denominations spawning from different (mis)interpretations of the Bible, ranging from Catholism, to Jehovah Witness and Cherubim/Seraphim etc etc. Each strongly believe their own interpretation is legit while the other is wrong, and those would subsequently burn in hell. Yet they all claim to be Christians. And guess what, they all have faith
So obviously having faith isn't enough. You'll have to belong to the 'right' denomination to be deemed eligible for heaven.
Therein lies the flaw

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paxonel:
Having faith does not depend on whether you fully understand the book or not
There is nothing like negligence there.
The book is complex to understand does not stop Faith.
The most important thing is to have faith irrespective of whether you understand it or not.
It is not everyone that is having challenge to understand it.

The way you understand any book you read, you can understand the bible. Only that it requires one to follow the stories precept by precept with comprehension accuracy as if you are studying to write an examination

Ken4Christ:
The person you are quoting is dead and gone and most likely in hell. How can you compare it with the living Jesus whose tomb is empty and confirmed by archaeologists.

Lol. Which archeologists confirmed Jesus resurrected?
Do you also get history and archeology lessons from your pastor? Lol 😆

paxonel:
Yes, poorly interpreted at this stage of human history. But it will never always remain like this.

The target of getting it right is the future, perhaps another 1000 years from now.

We all know how science also started primitively some hundreds of years ago. But today, there are advancement of knowledge, and researches for new discoveries are still going on and will continue.
So is every spheres of knowledge including religion

So in other words, your god sent a book that is not easily interpreted except by a select few, with the rest of the world poorly grasping the gist, and thus losing faith in him. Now answer these questions
1. Would you blame those humans that lost their faith due to a god sending a complex book?
2. What is the fate of those humans that lost their faith due to God's negligence in proving an easily digestible book? Would they still roast eternally in hell?
3. How do u even know your own interpretation is the right one since we don't have the correct template or control to gauge its veracity?
Please answer these questions succinctly and explicitly. Thank you

paxonel:
My point is, you did not get the interpretation right.
Perhaps this is how you did not get the whole bible right after reading it. Hence the book is a fairy tale to you.

But you know what?
The content of a book does not depend on anyone's perception. Rather what anyone can get from reading any book will depend on his ability to comprehend it perfectly.

Most pastors and church leaders especially in third world Africa where quality education is not prioritize or put into consideration, are yet to have a perfect comprehension of that book too.

This explains why religion especially in this part of the world, is a sham, hoax and delusive

So Africans don't have the perfect interpretations of the Bible? Cool. So why did your god send us a book that is poorly interpreted, especially when he already knew it would be poorly interpreted and mislead folks?

Orobadmeat:
The God of chosen saves manhood

He loves dicck no be small. So much that he hates when they put it inside anuses

paxonel:
Good!

Can you explain this?

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It says the kingdom of god is at hand, thus the world may be coming to an end.
So what's your point?

paxonel:
So tell me, have you read the bible before for you to conclude that it is a fairy tale?

Yup. From Genesis to Revelation, with and without the 'spirit'. All a poorly written fairy tale. Aesop's fairy tales is a better book

paxonel:
the bible isn't a science book but religious book.

It was never meant to talk about science or dinosaur and therefore has never in any of it chapter debunked the possibility of dinosaur

Did the Bible even talk about dinos, never mind debunking it?
The bible is just a fairy tale book

Ken4Christ:
I pity your ignorance. It will be regrets upon regrets when you soul enters he'll. Then, you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you.

Yeah, I thought as much. Instead of countering what I wrote, you totally ignored it and resorted to threats. Its a regular antics deployed by u christians. You guys don't get tired of it. Instead of facing the truth and facts, u resort to the same old stale and empty threats
Never mind I engaged u. A waste of time

1000Capacity:
I understand your points but you are getting it all wrong. The idea of eye retina and Finger print are parts is Forensic science. These ideas or usage of the retina and finger print isn't 99.99% accurate. If it's not perfect, you cant use that as idea to substantiate the existence of a superior being or human maker.

You see all those biometrics, they are still harvesting finger prints though several ways. Even your phone finger print scanner and several other ways and collating them (CLOUD).

Without the doubt, there is a maker but it's not as if the human flesh is designed for you to stay forever. It's designed so you can come, experience life and leave.
Why will any special code be attached to your entry then?

Whats the evidence of the bolded. And what is the name of this 'maker'?

Ken4Christ:
Tell me which book on earth;

1. Gave a distinct revelation of how this present world was created.

2. Unveiled the first man created after Image of God.

3. Revealed to us how Lucifer became Satan.

4. Unveiled the origin of sin.

5. Unveiled how so many languages came into being.

6. Predicted accurately the four successive kingdom of the earth from the time of King Nebuchadnezzar.

7. Unveiled to us the events of the last days.

8. Is able to distinguish between the spirit and soul.

I could go on and on.

The world experienced a period dark age when the Bible was temporarily out of circulation.

Without the Bible, we are completely blind. We are all doomed without the Bible. Please, embrace the gospel and deliver yourself from gross ignorance.

There's thousands of books, stories etc about creation, each saying the other is fake. Its unfortunate christianity came and subjugated many of those religions via the edge of the sword(violence). If they hadn't,you would still be hearing them regularly. I'm sure your ancestors had their own versions. What evidence do you have your story is true and theirs isn't? None.
The other points u made eg Nebuchadnezzar, spirit, soul, Lucifer, last days were myths copied from ancient books like Epic of Gilgamesh etc. They never happened. Also The term "Dark Ages" comes from the Latin phrase saeculum obscurum, which was originally used by Caesar Baronius in 1602 to describe a tumultuous period in the 10th and 11th centuries. It became popular during the 18th century Age of Enlightenment, and was based on the idea that Renaissance scholars like Petrarch had of ancient Greece and Rome as the pinnacle of human achievement. Petrarch, an Italian scholar from the 14th century, coined the term because he was dismayed by the lack of good literature at the time, with little cultural and scientific advancement, and that Europe was enveloped in academic 'darkness'. It has absolutely nothing to do with your bible or christianity.
Religion is just a myth taken too far

onuman:
What a doctor writing on the SM like an ocho passenger (motor park tout). Don't let trained doctors see you there. Little wonder you abhor the NMA and even the NMDC.

Abi you be native doctor??

U can succk a big one like NMA too since you choose to be ignorant and don't want to learn

IVYWonder9:
Dinosaurs have been proved to be an existence of more than billions of years ago....

You might be interested to know more about this...

Read...https://theskynow.com/2024/05/17/what-the-bible-says-about-dinosaurs/

This post is depicting the problem with logical reasoning. Lets dissect it

Job 40:19 (KJV) “He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.”

Of all God’s creatures, he is distinct. He is not a human, neither an animal but the Chief of the ways of God.

Job 40:21-22 (KJV) “He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.”

This creature had a house but it was never roofed. His house is the shady trees and the willows of the brook which compassed him about.

There’s no how trees can be taller than many dinos. The average dino is about many feets and some even eat whole trees at a go. So how can a tree shade it?

The bones of a Lion and or Tiger which is believed to be the king of the jungle are not as strong as brass and bars of iron. Of all the strongest creatures on earth today, none matches this description. Because Dinosaurs are big, their bones would be like pieces of brass and like bars of iron

Many dinosaurs had hollow bones, similar to modern birds. These hollow bones, which contain air sacs, make the skeleton lighter and less dense, allowing dinosaurs to grow to be the size of buses or five-story buildings.

So to conclude, the bible never mentioned dinos. Prolly those allusion were for some mythical creatures. So the bible is an unreliable book and is false

snthesis:
Can you give a plausible reason how our unique biometrics were installed

They we're formed in utero due to the following factors
The density of the amniotic fluid
The fetus's size
The fetus's location
The fetus's movement patterns
Genes that affect digit length proportions and the size and shape of the raised volar pads
All these contribute to it.
The reason fingerprints are formed is for personalization of traits

Your problem is the same ancient man had. They didn't understand many phenomena like lightning, rainbows, floods etc. So they attributed it to gods. Their own favorite god. But today we know how all those happened. Its a fallacy called Fallacy of Ignorance, or god of the gap.
So u basically filled in any deficiencies in knowledge to your own favorite gods.
I know there are stuff science cannot yet explain as of today but we know as we progress, they would be decoded.

Many stories in the bible are pure lies, and even Yahweh releases the spirit of lies when he wants. So he can he hate lies?

snthesis:
This is to the Atheist , a Logical explanation on why beyond all reason God (the Maker of All things exist). I will only plead that you read with all logic and no bias, all arguments should be based on the premise of the postulation in this thread, so let’s begin…

We are in the Year 2024, so it’s safe to believe that readers of this thread are a bit tech aware, i.e. you understand the basics on how equipment, phones, TVs, Fridges are made (worse case you know how to ask “Google” or your fav AI.). We will be discussing on the unique codes attached to modern equipment

For phones : IMEI is a 15-digit code that serves as a digital fingerprint for your device and is a unique identifier assigned to every mobile device globally

For Modern Appliances: we have unique identifiers, which Internet of Things can

For Vehicles: each car has a unique vehicle identification number (VIN) also called a chassis number or frame number, is a unique code, including a serial number, used by the automotive industry to identify individual motor vehicles. VIN gives the history of the car, number of owners(partners wink), accidents, repairs, disasters etc..

Same applies to your laptop down to the chips in them.

The question then is why do modern manufacturers insist on having this unique identifiers.

Firstly, note that the identifiers were deliberately placed, it was an intentional action not per chance

Secondly, Unique Identifiers are placed on items that are Valuable, and too important to fail/too loose

Thirdly, for records keeping and tracking, in ensuring all activities pertaining to that equipment from manufacture/inception, commissioning, maintenance through to decommissioning are properly filled to that specific item.

Through the application of Science and research, it was discovered that human’s surprise surprise have unique identifiers, Alphonse Bertillon ( 22 April 1853 – 13 February 1914) was a French police officer and biometrics researcher who applied the anthropological technique of anthropometry to law enforcement creating an identification system based on physical measurements, this has been further developed in modern days to your finger print and retina scanners.

In essence every human that has ever been born had a unique identifier, that can not be mistaken for another Human. We are currently over 6billion people on earth with each unique ID/Finger print/Retina scan, some scientist postulate that over 117billion people have walked this Earth, with each person having a unique identifier impressed/inborn. Obviously, this is not and can not be a coincidence, this is our manufacturing number, our file number which our manufacturer (God .in this instance) has in His Cloud database.

The modern Bio-metric scanner are recent tech equipment 1960’s to read our unique fingerprints/retina scanner, humans have always had this unique identifiers from the very first Man on earth, so do you still believe you weren’t intentionally created by an Intelligent Being, The Almighty God!

Nice write up.
1. So how do you know those biometrics were tools installed by a god?
2. And how do you know it was installed by your own favorite sky daddy

scaler345:
I'll kill anybody (child, dad, mum, bro, sis, neighbor, friends etc) if dats what god wants and loves.
It's a pity my god doesn't like sacrifices, killing or even worship. Almighty FSM is a cute god.

May its name be glorified forever

Blakjewelry:
a times when I read that particular topic it got me puzzled. how can God an all knowing being who knows the future test somebody if he has already knows the outcome.

Aha, a right thinking christian! Its rare to see one

ElevationD:
A little bit of reading would have helped you.

“ On September 20, 2021, SaharaReporters reported that Olusola Adeyelu had sued NMA and MDCAN over the alleged imposition of unjustifiable charges on medical practitioners. It was reported that he also sought a court order declaring NMA membership as voluntary and that he has the right to resign his membership from the association and still practise as a medical doctor.

However, in 2020, upon payment for the renewal of his practicing licence, the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria insisted that the payment of the Nigerian Medical Association’s building levy was compulsory for all doctors in Nigeria before practising licence could be renewed and indeed made it a precondition for the mandatory renewal of the practising license for the year and without any legal justification”.


That’s the story!

And we are telling you it is MDCN that charged for the license fee there and not NMA. They just included the NMA fees there which is illegal by the way. NMA cannot make their fees compulsory

Gajagojo:
You need to appeal for a refund of your school fees
You cannot comprehend simple English

As in eh…
Simple English is a problem for some people

mkoabiola:
What's d diffeerence btwn NARD and NMA.

NARD is for residents and house officers
NMA is for all doctors, irrespective of cadres

onuman:
Malpractice and discipline of medical practitioners are what seems to interest you.
Interest of medical practitioners does not interest you. Reality is if interest of practitioners is not looked after by the government, government hospitals will become mere decorative edifices.

There's other associations that canvass for doctor welfare like NARD, AGMPSS, MDCAN etc
If u don't understand something, why don't you keep quiet and let the knowledgeable ones lecture u

ElevationD:
Having spent all the years training to become a medical doctor, you are still not qualified until you get your practicing license from the NMA.

Certainly some big bosses or controllers of the associations got greedy, as they probably found the place as a looting ground. Their greed has been destroyed by the court. Now once you are out of school, you can practice. However what and see how they would still put stumbling blocks on the way. I am very sure that many Doctors are glad at the judgement.

Now this Doctor has dismantled that structure. That’s what Peter Obi talks about. Destruction of the structure of criminality. The Doctor must be Obidient!

What is this one saying? When did NMA start issuing licenses? Lol 😆
Not only is Tilumbu subjecting u to object poverty, he's also sucking your brains

onuman:
Bolded.
An association that goes for the interest of doctors is crucial to medical practice in any society. Any doctor who opts out of such an association may have sinister motives.

I have been practicing for nearly 20 years without giving a fvck about NMA Meetings or dues(apart from the few occasions MDCN forced me to pay their dues) and I have no need for them. Now that I'm leaving, they can go suck a dicck

onuman:
The NMA is another organisation that checkmates faking and standards in Medical practice.
It compliments the jobs of the NMDC.
Without the Nigeria Medical Association, the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria would be there while fake doctors and substandard practices take over the entire space of Nigeria.

What is this one saying?
NMA has no business over checkmating practices and weeding out unlicensed doctors
I think English comprehension tests should be a must on Nairaland

Bluntemperor:
Human Selfishness:
•I don't know why the O P brought this to grace the Front page but it doesn't worth it- especially,in this kind of Labour dispute.
That Judgement will surely be appealed against and won by the NMA!
•The Doctor is exercising his right no doubts but a Caveat on the Medical line- if you want to continue to Practice Medicine, you belongs to this body- which Control, Monitor,set examinations Standards- as a Specialist, Surgeon experts, Professional,etc.
•Who Monitors his Improvements and Promotions to a higher level?
When he wants to Sign a Form for other Examinations,he needs the Signatures and Stamps of his Colleagues - who belongs to the NMA professional body!
I doubt it it's because of due payment alone making him to fret!
That is what you can't do as a LONE -Ranger in a body that deals with LIFE!
It's a Vexation, Uncalled for and Selfish personality!

Reread the article. This time very slowly

Racoon:
Do you read that one of the antagonism of the petitioner against the MDCN is the issue of a just constituting a delegate body that unilaterally determined the fate of doctors via a delegate system that does not allow for participatory association? Meanwhile, the MDCN have been imposing the illegal building levy in collaboration with the NMA.

Association is different from licensing. Every doctor in Nigeria is licensed and have a folio number. Stop exposing your ignorance