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Ken4Christ:
OK. I see. You have invariably fallen into the category of fools. The Bible says that it's only a fool that says that there is no God.

So, the precise rotation and revolution of the planets in our solar system is an accident?

The different organs of the body that functions with precise principles is an accident?

Even a mad man has better hope than you.

You know, ignorance is truly bliss.
Back in the ancient days, they didn't know what caused reproduction, lightning, floods or volcanic eruptions, so they attributed it to gods. Fast forward to centuries later, we all know how all those happen. Right now in 2024 where knowledge is ubiquitous, ignorant folks like you still believe gods 'did it'.
The Earth rotates (or spins) because it has intrinsic angular momentum, inherited from the Solar nebula from which it formed. It orbits the Sun, because it has angular momentum with respect to it, also gained from the primordial nebula. In case u don't know what Angular Momentum, it is the property of a rotating body given by the product of the moment of inertia and the angular velocity of the rotating object.
The organs in the body are composed of cells which are powered by ATP, and their actions are encoded in their nuclear DNA. In fact, these functions can easily go haywire due to poorly coded DNA leading to such diseases like autoimmune disease and cancers. If you assume they are all caused by a god then u insinuate that god is a bumbling idiot who messes up stuff.
I think you need to ask for a reimbursement of your school fees. Your education was a monumental waste of resource

Michael547:
Oga what is the universally accepted morality that all humans follow today that was created and written down by humans?
I am not asking you about any divine morality story.

Like I pointed out earlier, morality is relative. What was morally good 100 years ago may not be the same now. Also what is morally good in Japan may not be so in Nigeria. It all varies. There is very few internationally accepted morally codes presently

sunnyfats:
It is called freewill, in the book of Genesis, God said, let us make men in our image and likeness. That part means , people who are free to make their own decisions.

Satan had the same freedom until he failed, and he was banished from heaven.

Adam had freedom, he would not have failed if not for the devil.

The tree was there as part of God's plan,
There is the tree of life, as well as the one for good and evil.

God did not set them up, he was training them into maturity and understanding(this is a gradual process). If they listened to him, they would not have failed.

These trees we are talking about was made to be consumed by men at certain stages in our lives.
After Adam failed, God locked the garden and put a guard on it. Note that he did not destroy it. This same tree is now revealed in the book of revelation, this time (the bible says), It is TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES. this confirms the fact that it is made for men and it will be given to them. I hope this helps

Did Yahweh know Adam was gonna fail?

Michael547:
Oga bring out the research on when all the ancient people agreed and wrote down the universal standard on what is good and evil.

Virtually every human society has some form of myth to explain the origin of morality. In the Louvre in Paris there is a black Babylonian column with a relief showing the sun god Shamash presenting the code of laws to Hammurabi (died c. 1750 BCE), known as the Code of Hammurabi. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) account of God’s giving the Ten Commandments to Moses (flourished 14th–13th century BCE) on Mount Sinai might be considered another example. In the dialogue Protagoras by Plato (428/427–348/347 BCE), there is an avowedly mythical account of how Zeus took pity on the hapless humans, who were physically no match for the other beasts. To make up for these deficiencies, Zeus gave humans a moral sense and the capacity for law and justice, so that they could live in larger communities and cooperate with one another.

That morality should be invested with all the mystery and power of divine origin is not surprising. Nothing else could provide such strong reasons for accepting the moral law. By attributing a divine origin to morality, the priesthood became its interpreter and guardian and thereby secured for itself a power that it would not readily relinquish. This link between morality and religion has been so firmly forged that it is still sometimes asserted that there can be no morality without religion. According to this view, ethics is not an independent field of study but rather a branch of theology (see moral theology).

There is some difficulty, already known to Plato, with the view that morality was created by a divine power. In his dialogue Euthyphro, Plato considered the suggestion that it is divine approval that makes an action good. Plato pointed out that, if this were the case, one could not say that the gods approve of such actions because they are good. Why then do they approve of them? Is their approval entirely arbitrary? Plato considered this impossible and so held that there must be some standards of right or wrong that are independent of the likes and dislikes of the gods. Modern philosophers have generally accepted Plato’s argument, because the alternative implies that if, for example, the gods had happened to approve of torturing children and to disapprove of helping one’s neighbours, then torture would have been good and neighbourliness bad.

Problems of divine origin
A modern theist (see theism) might say that, since God is good, God could not possibly approve of torturing children nor disapprove of helping neighbours. In saying this, however, the theist would have tacitly admitted that there is a standard of goodness that is independent of God. Without an independent standard, it would be pointless to say that God is good; this could mean only that God is approved of by God. It seems therefore that, even for those who believe in the existence of God, it is impossible to give a satisfactory account of the origin of morality in terms of divine creation. A different account is needed.


Source https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethics-philosophy

For a long time humans have done things differently. Around two million years ago the genus Homo emerged, with larger brains and new skills in making stone tools. Soon after, a global cooling and drying period led to a proliferation of terrestrial monkeys, which competed with Homo for many resources. Early humans needed new options. One alternative involved scavenging carcasses killed by other animals. But then, according to an account from anthropologist Mary C. Stiner of the University of Arizona, some early humans—the best guess is Homo heidelbergensis some 400,000 years ago—began obtaining most of their food through active collaboration in which individuals formed joint goals to work together in hunting and gathering. Indeed, the collaboration became obligate (compulsory) in that it was essential to their survival. Individuals became interdependent with one another in immediate and urgent ways to obtain their daily sustenance.
Many features of human morality could have grown out of simple reciprocal practices such as the mutual removal of parasites from awkward places. Suppose a person wanted to have the lice in his hair picked out and was willing in return to remove lice from someone else’s hair. The person must choose his partner carefully. If he helps everyone indiscriminately, he will find himself delousing others without getting his own lice removed. To avoid this, he must learn to distinguish between those who return favours and those who do not. In making this distinction, he would be separating reciprocators from nonreciprocators and, in the process, developing crude notions of fairness and of cheating. He will naturally strengthen his ties to those who reciprocate, and bonds of friendship and loyalty, with a consequent sense of obligation to assist, will result. Research in psychology and the neurosciences has thrown light on the role of specific parts of the brain in moral judgment and behaviour, suggesting that emotions are strongly involved in moral judgments, particularly those that are formed rapidly and intuitively.

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Truuth:
The neanderthals lived on earth before Adam, they were not created by Enki, Enli to have their nature but they were genetically modified from apes, chimpanzees.
Remember evolution says humans came from apes- the erectus. They ain't wrong.

These Gods added their essence to these animals to form the neanderthals.

What's your source for all these tales

Ken4Christ:
But John was one of the disciples of Jesus. So, he is an eye witness.

If you don't believe their testimonies, why would you believe that of Muhammad who was born nearly 600 years later?

Besides, your quran authenticate the Bible especially the Old Testament and the Gospel.

I'm an atheist. So obviously I don't believe any of those folks u listed
Even Bible scholars would tell you the authors of the Bible are anonymous and that the Bible was from the Dead Sea scrolls which was arranged at the Nicean Council where they decided to pick and chose which books favor them.

Michael547:
So where is the document that these ancient men agreed and wrote down what was universally bad and good?

Only if you had even researched on the history and origin of ancient morality, your ignorance would have been cured. If you want articles and research on these, just tell me and I'll oblige u
But its amazing a Christian would demand documents/evidence from me but believe wholeheartedly what was written in the bible which has not been proven to be legit

This finally confirms christians are on the top of the world religion retard club. Celebrating and backing Israel which calls Jesus Christ a bastard, are openly gay, have christian minorites(1-2%) while hating Palestine which has a 30% Christian populations
Whoa

JobZoneNews:
Action Power Devotional for Today: I was listening to one famous Nigerian (name withheld) who believe there is no God and that all things just came into existence on their own.

During the interview, this man talked about his marriage, his family, his companies and the many awards he has received over the years.

Then I laughed. I hope someone can tell him that if his marriage, family, companies and awards did not just come into existence on their own but were deliberately created by himself and his wife and the owners of the awards, then the earth and himself must surely have a Creator.

The Bible says Hebrews 3:4
[4]For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God.

Yes, every existing house was built by someone. They did not just come into existence on their own.

God almighty is the Creator of all things.

Action Power for Today: Don't listen to confused people who say there's no God and who say everything just came into existence on their own.

It's s lie from the pit of hell. God exists and He is the Creator of all things.

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So who created God?

Michael547:
Who is this ancient man that determined what will be universal good and bad?

The Neantherthals for example. Homo Hominids, Homo Erectus etc. U want their names, and phone numbers too

Michael547:
Baba this is your personal opinion.....
there is nothing like a universal bad. Something is bad to me does not mean it is bad to you.

Well its not just my personal opinion. Its how the ancient man determined morals used by them in their society

Michael547:
Shooting me will not be nice to me.....but it may be nice to you.

The point is this: don't do what is bad to another person. In this scenario, u were hurt/dead and its bad for u. Therefore it is bad universally, whether for me or another person.
This is the origin of morals

paxonel:
Yes!

Because, the bible mentioned the roles of these religions a long time ago, and that is what they are currently doing.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

So both the bible and the books of other religions testify to the existence of a supreme God.

But apart from that, there is something fascinating in the bible which you must see, if you really have the interest to do so.

But if you don't have the interest, no problem.
Because i must also respect your position as an atheist just as i do to adherents of every other religions that i interact with

1. Where did the bible mention the roles of those other religions?
2. Sorry, the Hindus, Muslims, Christians etc don't worship the same god. Please don't tell Muslim or Christian extremists this, u might lose your head. They are different gods. U decided to make name your own god with a capital G. Doesn't make it unique for others
3. So what is unique about a contradictory, lie-infested book like the bible?
4. If u deem a book valid cos the same book as so, then u r a funny man

Michael547:
Who determined that whatever causes harm to a person is bad and wrong?

Don't you think that is your personal idea?

If I pull out a gun and shoot you, would that be nice to u? Would you ask to be shot again? Yes or no?

Michael547:
Who has the right to determine that murder is bad?

Its simple. Whatever causes harm to a person is obviously bad and wrong. If lying causes harm to someone, then its obviously bad. Same as covetousness. Also if I don't feel good about an action (like murder) then its bad. You don't need a god or deity to give laws about them. Besides those gods/deities have been known to support evil, so we cannot depend on them for our morality

Michael547:
Ok....so you may be wrong to call someone's action of killing other humans as 'bad'?
Do you agree?

Murder is bad. So I'm not wrong

Michael547:
Ok....but do you agree that humans have different opinions on what is good and evil and that there is no one standard?

Yup. Its called morality. And its relative, and varies with humans from time and time, or regions

Michael547:
So how did we come up with these standards?

The way they relate to humans. Evil is harmful while good is not, and helps mankind

Michael547:
What do you understand to be good and evil?

Good can mean the act of doing good deeds. It can also mean luggages.
Evil can mean being hateful, or dangerous

paxonel:
Evidences are boldly written in the bible.
If you had interest to search for it may be you would have been convinced by now.
But how will you start searching a book you don't believe in the first place?

If u call the Bible stories as evidences, would you call the stories in the Quran, Vedas and other holy books evidence? Yes or no? And give reasons

Michael547:
Do you agree that good and evil exists?

Can you be more explicit of 'good' and 'evil'? Those are ambiguous terms and need more explanations

Michael547:
Meaning you are an atheist right?

Yup

Michael547:
Who created Lucifer?

And how do humans determine the standard of what is good and evil?

U won't have answers for these questions from these guys. I have asked them, and I get blanks. So don't bother

Michael547:
Ok oo😁😁😁...sha go and look for the answer.

What u should understand about Christians is their brains work like robots. They have a preconceived answer to questions. And those answers are engrained in their brains like bots.Their brains cannot process that questions, and this question is one of those questions their robotic brains don't have answers to. So any question that they don't have answers to, they walk around it or ignore it. And if you ask these questions a million times, u would get a robotic reply which is completely off point.
This is how a theist brain works

Ken4Christ:
Which school did you attend? You don't have to be a lawyer to know that the evidences of two or more people are admissible in a court of competent jurisdiction.

The Bible contains evidences of eye witnesses. And their witnesses agree. And no one has come up with a contrary evidence on through these years except that of Quran which evidence has no basis.

1. What has my school got to do with this?
Anyway, the problem with the bible is that the eye witnesses were by unknown folks. Nobody knows anyone called Mark, Luke, John, Matthew etc. Also those stories were written centuries after they supposedly happened. In fact your own Bible scholars believe those names were pseudonyms. Basically John Does.
So yes, the tesitmonies of unknown folks won't stand up in court
2. The stories in the Bible has been debunked. I have raised threads about them. Example Egypt never held Israel as slaves, there was no time the sun stood still, no time people mass resurrected etc. None of these happened in history.
3. And what do you mean by the evidence of the Quran 'has no basis'?

Jokerman:
God knows everything.

However sometimes we humans can sway his decisions or judgement... That's the level of creation we are.

Are you even listening to what you are saying?
An omniscient god being swayed by humans?
Are you religious folks missing some stuff?

Jokerman:
Probably... But he hoped they'd obey him instead of listening to the devil

Is he all knowing?

immortalcrown:
God told them that they would die any day they eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. God gave them freedom and they made their choice. It is not a case of God not knowing that they could stray.

Is Yahweh all knowing?

StillDtruth:
All movies and fabrications! No evidence.

Lol. U r really a work of art. Anyway I have told you to seek psychiatric review. It would help you

StillDtruth:
Who is scaring you, when clearly you have more than enough of it? You are not worth it.

Ok

paxonel:
you can see that it is not all Christians that do this.
Only some ignorant folks do this

Yet, the same bible, the same religion.

A knowledgeable Christian will defined his religion anyday, anytime without resorting to attacks.

Attacks are signs of weakness, ignorance, lacking what to say when questions arrives

Well, u r a rare kind of Christian. At least u try to debate a bit and not resort to insults or attacks unlike mor.ons like Dtruthspeaker etc

[quote author=Ken4Christ post=130032300][/quote]There was nothing to debunk about the resurrection . Its just like debunking the existence of leprechauns or unicorns. U have to bring evidence they existed first. He who alleges must provide evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You claimed a man resurrected, then show us evidence. Don't tell me I have to debunk your claim of resurrection when u haven't even provided evidence he resurrected.
I'm sorry, modern historians use BCE and not AD. BCE means Before the Common Era. AD was coined because the previous historians were christians and wanted a landmark(no matter how nebulous it was) to use.