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StillDtruth:
Typical Lies spat by the most unjust and unfair people in the world known and described as atheist.

The only people who see the bible this way are atheists themselves.

No fair minded and just person has ever seen this lies atheists sell because they can see the Truth and humaness of the bible, giving out its information as the writer believes it to be true.

It does not care whether you believe it, (unlike atheists whose sole mission is to force people to believe them, even resorting to lies and twistings, blackmail and toasting and bullying and arm twistings and when they refuse or they challenge them, then they begin to rain insalts and abuse the person) but it knows, that like a good textbook, every reader has the right and inteligence to freely arrive at their own conclusion, whether such conclusion is correct or not.

But the bible respects the rights and freewill of the reader whether the will is good or evil, but it respects the rights of a human being.

Unlike atheists and as everyone can see, you have begun with your lies, since balance and just is and fairness and equality and Law, is an abomination to atheists.

And as we can all see the attack and bullying has begun

Once again, as I expected, u skipped the topic at hand and launched into your regular anti-atheist diatribes. I don't expect anything cerebral or original from you
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StillDtruth:
You atheists have begun with your lies again.

Was anyone born holding a bible? No

Everyone had an open mind when they first read the bible. And anyone who reads the bible with an open mind finds that the bible
provokes him to ask relevant and important questions and reveals the kind of persons they are/who they want to be anong other things they wish/do not wish to know.

Thats the point. Nobody was born with religion til s/he meets a liar, whether Christian/Muslim/Buddhist etc

Lawag3:
Nice write up, but it proves nothing. If God created everything in six days he did so because he is God and can do anything. Many things he do are not understandable by Man.

You don't understand doesn't mean it isn't exist.

Yeah, so I was waiting for this reply. Seems to be a regular go-to for Christians when they are caught.
So Yahweh basically magicked the trees before the sun, and sustained them without photosynthesis, right? So he made the flying animals come before land animals right? So that means the fossil records were falsified, right? Lol
My problem with christians is the abject lack of scientific knowledge. Its so poor that its appalling

TenQ:
Have you agreed to the definition of Magnetic and Gravitational Fields as Real but not Tangible?

Can Consciousness be defined in terms of Matter, Space or Energy?

I'm done

KnownUnknown:
I understand the “poorly made” argument but I think it is flawed. Just like you rightly stated that for one to call something complex, there has to be something else to compare it to. So for us to call the human body poorly formed, we have to have a well formed body to compare it to. The universe is simultaneously ugly and beautiful, just like the “poorly made” human body. Simultaneously simple and complex just like human affairs. It is what it is, which is what the ancient Hebrews got right in their non psychotic musings: I am that I am. The universe is what it is and you are a beautiful part of it. At least I know I am.

I get your point about the human body. There is no how we can check its perfection. I'm just pointing out the flaws

KnownUnknown:
Im way beyond the point of pointing out how this Bible stuff is mostly bullshit.The musings of ancient greedy Hebrews are of little value to me so the nonsense in at the beginning of genesis is a non starter.

What I find absolutely detestable are the stories and protagonists from Abraham to Moses to “the lord”. I find their god to be the one of most deplorable characters in all of literature. Given the actions of the “heroes” of the Bible, I’m not even surprised by the depraved nature of Judaism as reflected by these Jews and the apartheid rogue nation they call Israel. When you believe atrocious things you do atrocious things. Talking about Israel, I find it pathetic how some Nigerians who once opposed apartheid in South Africa are now cheering on apartheid and genocide in Israel just because of their ridiculous religious beliefs. They’ve been turned into perpetual slaves through the psychology of religion.

Regarding the accuracy of the book, I don’t see why accuracy is an issue. Mythology is
fiction even if based on true events and that is due to the fantastic elements in stories. The Genesis story bears the hallmarks of mythology and arguing about the accuracy of a myth is useless. There is no reason think the god of the Hebrews is any more responsible for the universe than the leprechaun sitting on my shoulder dictating what I write. There is no reason to venerate the musings of some incestuous psychopaths when I’m not a part of their culture. If I needed a “creation” story, I’d look in my own backyard.

I find gods to be convenient conventions created by people for different purposes. When I decide to be frank, I call gods absolute nonsense and if I needed a god, I would look in the mirror.

Well, some people believe it and can kill for it. Reason why I'm bringing it up

online4business:
it's sad to see a graduate of chemistry saying floride is a natural compound.

the floride in toothpaste is 100% toxic.

mr chemistry please write this down

floride is a neurotoxin i repeat again floride is a neurotoxin whether in water, toothpaste or anything.

go to Wikipedia page type floride and learn.

but here's what is important.

the food and beverage companies don't give a Bleep about your life.

their fiduciary responsible is profit to the shareholders periods.

go to the agric section here and see people spray their crop with chemicals that can kill even the devil l for more yield and profit.


some history perspective fluoride was develop to be used on the jews in concentration camps in to make them obey orders by Hitler scientist.

since then it's used even in the United States public water supply...to keep them even dumber.

Americans are even being sprayed like bugs using chemtraila and guess what chemtrails contains.

wahala for who no wan wise up.

gmo food now in full swings even in Nigeria what a hunk of shit.

it's either people wise up or them use you count scores.

You're talking rubbish. Go and check sources of fluoride and stop poluting here with bs

Rexymania:
Really? I dislike chemistry

And its showing

Rexymania:
🙄 Fluoride is artificial na. Can you find it in plants?

Its found in natural water, which is absorbed from the rocks and earth

LordIsaac:
There’s nothing like natural and artificial fluoride.

As in eh. Some Nairaland members are wonderful. He says artificial and natural fluoride aren't the same

Rexymania:
Bro, most of the fluoride you find in your toothpaste are artificial. C'mon. Ion like talking too much

So what is the difference between 'artificial' and 'natural' fluoride?

Rexymania:
Our forefathers never had fluoride... They still had teeth till 80-100. True or false?

Not all of them. Fluoride fights caries and some people are predisposed to caries than others

nwabufov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajinSvZ_qFM?si=obEGemztGDr3eLFi

This man just wakes up and blows some crazy lies everytime he mounts his stupid pulpit and his gullible sheeples swallow it.
Closeup Natural Smile Toothpaste contains up to 1,450 parts per million (ppm) of fluoride. The typical strength of regular toothpaste is around 1,000 to 1,500 ppm of fluoride. The maximum permissible fluoride concentration for a toothpaste varies according to age and country. Anything above that can give fluorosis if consistently taken in high amounts. And the fluorosis is for children less than 8 years. Adults and children older than 8 years are fine.
His brainless followers, even the educated ones would defend him

StillDtruth:
Out of poin!

We are talking about the things we see and have seen which is us and our universe, and not about God and His own "world and Universe" which we have never seen. So over the bar!

Edybleketara, engaging this dude is a waste of time. He's psychotic. Don't say u weren't warned

FRANCISTOWN:
Anyone who reads the Bible with an open mind will basically lose believe while at the first chapter of the first book.
Just the first chapter, see how many bs.

This is going to be an interesting read. Lemme grab my milky doughnut.

The thing is this is not even all the errors. I have kept the really juicy ones til we thrash out these ones, so I wont clutter the place.
I'm still waiting for Emusan to respond. I created this thread cos he challenged me to

TenQ:
So the cells of my hair is Life?

Think Bro!

Your cells(whether hair, nail, bone etc) all contain life. This means they can grow and utilize oxygen. If they don't have life, they won't be able to do those actions. Thank you

TenQ:
Please check: I see where you are making your gross errors.

We know there is Gravity because of its effects
BUT
Gravity is not made up of matter
Gravity does not have energy
Gravity does not have dimension
Gravity cannot be removed from one place to the other

In other words, Gravity is NOT Tangible even though it EXISTS
We can only Feel the Effects of Gravity on masses (the effect is what is called weight)

The same with Electric Fields and Magnetic Fields. We can feel their Effects on charges or other magnetic materials as Electric or Magnetic Forces, but the Fields themselves are NOT Tangible. They cannot be described as physical; they are invisible.

I agree with you that Consciousness is a Special subset of Life (or Living) therefore they may not be perfectly synonymous.

Therefore, I will use Consciousness rather than Life (for the rest of the discussion)

As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness Tangible?

Yes, consciousness is tangible. We feel it. When one loses consciousness , the person loses all senses of feeling, seeing, touching, hearing and tasting, the so-called human senses. S/he doesn't feel anything.
The problem u have is u have refused to accept the definition of tangibility. And I can't help u with that, I'm sorry. If you decide u would not accept the definition given by multiple well known and world class dictionaries, then I'm done here.

TenQ:
1. I think we all agree that softwares in a Machine EXISTS and therefore Real!
2. The Question I am asking is that is the Software Within a Machine TANGIBLE?


Do you agree that ANYTHING that is tangible Must have either a mass or a dimension or energy.

Do you agree with this:
Your Book is Tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
Your Television is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Radio is Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Hands are Tangible but the Sign-Language Information from it is NOT Tangible.
Your Brail Book is tangible but the Information on it is NOT Tangible.
The Morse-code keys are Tangible but the Information from it is NOT Tangible.

With all these, you feel the effect of the communication by your Understanding, Entertainment , Emotion and others BUT the information neither has either a mass or a dimension or energy.




Every AI machine is first TRAINED by programmers: The Training involves being loaded with Data and Information which makes the AI machine able to learn by itself when deployed. So also is the baby. All babies seem to have the gift of curiosity and adventure, they also seem to want to mimic what they see around them in their environment.

Yes software is tangible, and we have done our best to explain to you why both me, FRANCISTOWN, KnownUnknown. But somehow u don't understand

TenQ:
Your post is just equivalent to saying that the CPU alone is what is responsible for every activity of the Computer and NOT the software (information). Is this your admission?

Are Neurons the information in the brain or carriers of information?
Where does the information carried by the Neurons come from?

Yes, CPU is responsible for almost output except that from bios
Info is stored in form of engrams, which are formed in the fetal/neonatal stages, by the baby interacting with the environment. These engrams are then in the cortices. Neurons carry info throughout the body via tracts, ganglia etc

TenQ:
Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories?

Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem)

How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own?

If a programmer inserted a software into a machine memory, isn't that indication that the software exists?
Yes u can't touch software but they are tangible because we can interact with them
Software programming in the brain? At what age does this programming happen?
From emotions, volition etc, babies learn all these from their environment. That's why a baby raised by animals behave like them. All the inputs comes from the interaction with the environment, and environment includes people and animals

TenQ:
What is the tangibility of softwares within the machine?


Is Gravity Tangible?
Is the Electric Field tangible?
Is the magnetic Field Tangible?
As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness (Life) Tangible?

Gravity is tangible. We feel its effect and its measurable.
Same as electric and magnetic field.
Consciousness is not the same as life. There can be alive without consciousness. Viruses/bacteria and other life forms are alive but lack consciousness.
I think at this point u should tell us if u actually attended any school at all. Your reasoning is just daft

TenQ:
Does Cells possess Life was your question: Was that my question?

Is [b]Life aka Consciousness TANGIBLE?[/b]

Are you always retarded? The screenshot even tells u cells are the unit of life

TenQ:
So, the fact that a Grieving person is Quiet does confirm that his grieve is small compared with the one who is rolling on the floor?

We are talking about the methods of expressing grief.
You are derailing your own thread. Explain how all these gibberish relate to spirit or soul

StillDtruth:
That's not true. There house owners always have someone watching over their houses and that person must report to the owner that unknown persons have entered his house.

And for you not to have any idea what my post is about shows how very stupid and.vacuum headed you are. You should be given away to condemn, condemn.

Go to some estates, you'll see abandoned houses. Even in your own estate, they have some. U add lying to your armory. Wonderful Christian
If u can't explain the correlation then fvck off

MaxInDHouse:
Now it's obvious you're just a kid.

When you grow up you will learn more about life!

Lol. Idiota has been found out on a lie and the only thing he can say is that I'm a kid

Now one defense christians have to say their own brand of god created the earth is the complexity of the universe and intelligent design.
1.Now the problem here is this. You cannot say an object is complex without comparing it to a less or more complex model. How do we know our universe is not a very rudimentary and poorly created model? What are we comparing it to?
Also the human body is said to be intelligently designed but I can tell you for free that its poorly made.
A. The trachea (windpipe) and esophagus (food pipe) open into the same space, the pharynx, which extends from the nose and mouth to the larynx (voice box). To keep food out of the trachea, a leaf-shaped flap called the epiglottis reflexively covers the opening to the larynx whenever you swallow. Now this causes food to regularly enter the lungs and this phenomenon called aspiration is one of the common cause of death in babies. I can't count the number of babies rushed into the ER where the mother was breastfeeding and slept off leaving the baby to choke on breast milk.
B. Misrouted recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN) plays a vital role in our ability to speak and swallow. It feeds instructions from the brain to the muscles of the voice box, or larynx, below the vocal cords. Theoretically, the trip should be a quick one. But during fetal development, the RLN gets entwined in a tiny lump of tissue in the neck, which descends to become blood vessels near the heart

C.7. A backward retina. The photoreceptor cells in the retina of the eye are like microphones facing backward. This design forces light to travel the length of each cell, as well as through blood and tissue, to reach the equivalent of a receiver on the cell’s backside. The setup may encourage the retina to detach from its supporting tissue—a leading cause of blindness. It also creates a blind spot where cell fibers, akin to microphone cables, converge at the optic nerve—making the brain refill the hole.
D. Exposed testicles. Problem: A man’s life-giving organs hang vulnerably outside the body. This is kinda daft cos it may be crushed by even a wrong kick by a jealous housewife
E.Childbirth hurts. And to add insult to injury, the width of a woman’s pelvis hasn’t changed for some 200,000 years, keeping our brains from growing larger.
F. Problem: Our spines are a mess. They are very inflexible and cause severe back pain for most people
G. The knee joint: the most complex joint in the body is situated between two huge levers—the femur and the tibia—and you’re looking for trouble.
H. Childbirth. Why put a poopoo hole where the baby comes out? One of the reasons I detest taking deliveries is seeing poo pushing out the anus as soon as the baby pops out. And most times, the baby is not just covered with liquor and blood, but feces.
I. The appendix. Now this is the most puzzling. This organ is just useless but somehow the good Lord decides he has to fix it inside and cause appendicitis and appendix mass, with subsequent peritonitis and septic shock, for folks. Appendectomy (surgery for appendix removal) is a big surgical burden and costs billions of dollars yearly
J. The immune system. The good Lord gave us an immune system that is not only deficient but confused. They cannot fight bacteria and viruses properly without the intervention of science via vaccines. In Nigeria, measles, polio etc were major under 5 killers til vaccines showed up. Also autoimmune diseases like Hashimoto thyroiditis and other life threatening diseases came up cause the immune system cannot figure out the self cells and viruses, and our body ends up fighting ourselves just like that. Also cancers are caused by the body cells undergoing changes even in the womb. Some babies are born with cancers. You doubt me? Check out teratomas
Etc etc

The Bible is a book adored by Christians. It has been found to contain a lot of errors, lies and contradictions and thus not a reliable book. I made a thread about it here, in case ya'll wanna check it out and debate on the points there. Unfortunately for Christians, the gaffess were so many, and they could not come up with any defenses.
But in this thread, I'm gonna concentrate on the creation story, cos a Christian challenged me to(Just like another christian challenged me to open a thread about the bible errors and in the end he never gave any defenses). The errors are so much that I have to take them in parts. So this is only Part 1

What are the factual errors in the Genesis creation account?
There are several errors, since it’s a creation myth based on the knowledge, superstitions and misconceptions of the people who wrote it, just like any other creation myth. Let’s consider just some of them:

1. Duration time for the creation. This is the first considerable problem. Genesis says that, from the early stages of the earth’s formation to the dawn of man, only six days passed, which is obviously wrong. We know this whole process took about 4 billion years. Many apologists try to solve this crude mistake by declaring that the word “day” has a more vague meaning, such as six general divisions of time. We don’t know this, however, and the whole context of the story seems closer to 24 hour days (for example, we constantly read “And the evening and the morning were the first day.”).

2. The order of creation days. The order in which the creation events happened in the bible and the true geological and biological evolution of the earth are completely different. Some examples follow:

a. In Genesis 1:7 it says God divided the waters above and under the firmament. The only logical way to interpret this “firmament” or “heavens”, is the atmosphere, where water in vapour form is stored and eventually falls as rain. If this was done in a subsequent stage of the earth’s formation (day two), we would expect that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere should increase over time. We however know that the exact opposite happened, as carbon dioxide and water vapour were partly replaced by oxygen.

b. In Genesis 1:11 it suggests that plants were the first form of life to appear, what is obviously wrong. It also suggests that plants and animals appeared in different times, what we know not to be true. Last, if compared to Genesis 1:16–18, it indicates that plants came before the sun, which would be impossible since sunlight is a fundamental ingredient to the process of photosynthesis, which is how plants produce their food.

c. In Genesis 1:16–18, as discussed before, the sun comes only after the plants appeared on the planet, which is obviously absurd. Some apologists try to save this by alleging that the sun already existed but wasn’t visible until the fourth day, since the earth’s atmosphere was thicker. First of all, the atmosphere was already transparent enough to see the sun when the first plants appeared in the planet. Moreover, the organisms from which plants evolved had already “invented” the process of photosynthesis and hence needed a substantial amount of sunlight. Finally, there are several studies who show how a plant’s growth is deeply affected by an increased period of cloudy days, and so it’s absurd to suppose that big trees and others could have appeared in a time of thick atmosphere, where the portion of light entering the planet was so weak that the sun wasn’t even visible.

d. Genesis 1:20 and 24 suggests that flying animals came before land animals, which is just wrong due to the fossil and DNA knowledge we have.

3. Magical elements. Some apologists argue that the creation myth in Genesis has a special status, since it’s much more “sober” in terms of reality than the creation myths of other religions. First of all, what matters is the truth. To construct a fable with elements closer to reality doesn’t change the fact that it is a fable. Secondly, the fact that the Genesis account seems less mesmerizing than others is just because the israelites followed monotheism (or at least monolatrism), and hence their creation story was devoid of the many struggles between gods that commonly take place at the beginning of other myths. Finally, it’s important to remember that there are many magical elements surrounding the Genesis story: the book of Revelations talks about a war in heaven between a dragon and his hosts and an angel and his hosts; Genesis itself, just a few pages afterwards, talks about talking serpents, magic fruits and a universal flood that occured just because God was in a bad mood with humanity

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Seun
Emusan
LordReed
KnownUnknown
Maynnmann
TenQ
Aemmyjah
Olaadegbu
Elated177
Maxindhouse
FRANCISTOWN
Advocatejare
Lawag3
StillDtruth
Triplechoice
Workch
Edybleketara

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Emusan:
So you don't have evidence that God doesn't exist despite claiming that you deal with EVIDENCE.

Anyways, the evidence of God's existence is the intelligence mind behind creation which shows that our universe was Designer and not from random events.



That's what I'm saying, you're waiting for someone to tell you what to believe.



Who will verify it, you or another person?

How will it be verified?



Who found it to be lie?



Through His word pen down many years ago by those who have encountered with Him, and I confirmed it by having the same encounter with Him as well, which proved that what was pen down years ago were true.



From your post you established that:
1. We have to believe whatever we are told.
2. Then verify.

So if Muslim, Hindus all claim the same, you need to BELIEVE THEM FIRST (according to you) then you verify.

But remember I asked you how can it be verified?



You don't need to box yourself in a corner, you can do whatever you want on this forum.

If you think there's a contradiction in the creation story, you can open a thread and tag whoever you and I'm even sure those you did not tag will still engage.

You're not the first who will think many contradictions are in the Bible, in fact, someone came up with 101 contradictions in the Bible but trust me, that was addressed by Bible students too.

Ok. I would address all these points in the thread and tag ya'll

Aemmyjah:
Show evidence na
Same you showed nonsense that one of us was murdering people
Same you calling yourself a doctor said that labor in women is not painful

Who would listen to you?

1. JW man gruesomely murders wife, not even another person
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13034603/killer-cowboy-builder-wife-reveals-job.html#:~:text=Wolverhampton%20Crown%20Court%20heard%20Norgrove's,no%20winners%20in%20this%20case'.

There are many instances online, but I picked this one cos of how bloody it is
Oya talk say na lie

2. Its like English is really a problem for you to understand. Ogbeni, I never said labor is painless. I said labor is easy but its also painful, especially multiparous women. Ever heard of precipitous labor, idiota?

Labor

Aemmyjah:
1. So cos people tell you that the universe came by a big bang, kaboom! Is what is appealing to you

2. Go and search it yourself. You said it and said your gyne professor taught you

1. Big bang wasnt stated as the origin of the universe. No scientist said that.
And yet you deflected the question. For the last time, what evidence are you tendering
2. Idiota, I never said labor is not painful. I said labor is not difficult. If you have difficulty differentiating the 2 words, ask a 2 year ago.
I now understand why your denomination prohibited higher education. They love you guys to be retarded, illiterate and without reasoning

ozo13:
the man asked a pertinent question.what service do they offer sir and why is US jailing the most Senior man of the company.If convicted of fraud , then one can easily say what the company represent is fraud since the inventor or the main man has bn convicted of people can make money from it ooo but the truth must always be told

Its not pertinent. Its just plain retarded.
If your man is indicting Binance, then its wrong. Binance operates legally in many countries, both in Europe and Asia. Them having issues with US and a few countries doesn't mean they are scumbags
If your man is indicting crypto as a whole, then he's more than wrong. Crypto has many use cases, from decentralized finance, business, blockchain currencies, NFTs etc. Many blue chip companies utilize crypto products from Microsoft, Coca Cola etc. Many trading platforms and payment outlets accept crypto from PayPal, Newegg, even Amazon accepts via third party called Bitpay
So the guy is right, y'all ignorant

TenQ:
Did you go to school at all?

Okay: Its a matter of English Language
The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?


Can you tell us a day when your friends grief was tangible, how can you determine if his grief was more tangible than his sisters own grief?

U can determine the extent of grief by observing the reaction. Some express grief by just moping at space, some cry, some roll on the floor. These are degrees of expression of grief
Any other questions, stupido!?