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Michael547:
So at what point are you justifying the killings that is going on now in those wars?
So you mean that at a point of attack, bombing of women and children can be justified?

Bro, I don't justify any killing. I'm merely explaining why those countries decide to go to war and kill each other, including non-combatants like women and children.
By the way, if I pull a gun on u and u manage to see a plank u can break my head with, would you do it? Yes or no? And why?

Michael547:
Lol....so you mean every country involved in wars is in self defense. You mean Russia, Ukraine, isreal and Palestine are all in self defense mode and therefore they can kill people?

Did you read the part I talked about infringing on sovereignty or u have developed tunnel vision suddenly?
Palestine/Hamas engaged Israel cos of land dispute. Same as Ukraine vs Russia

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're just holding to straws!
All FORMER MEMBERS of any organization will like to say something bad about the group they left so as to justify their leaving the group.

Let me see a single person outside Jehovah's Witnesses Organization whose child has been molested by a JW then you will have a case until then continue in your delusion!

I have sent u a link of one of your elders molesting a non-JW girl. U have pretended not to see it. Kwontinu

MaxInDHouse:
Please how old are you?

So the accused are never attracted to children outside their gathering yet you want to accuse all members for accusations raised by people who have left the group!


Does that make sense to you?

Did you even read my post? If they molest non JW children, they would be arrested cos no non-JW is gonna hide their crimes in the name of 'not exposing their dirty linen outside'

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Cars are likely to have faults and accidents too
Are they poorly designed?
What does design mean?

Yeah, cars are designed by humans, who are fallible. No car is 100% excellent and their makers always improve on their designs every year to bring better models. No car maker would say his product is 100%
But u theists insist humans are products of intelligent design citing how 'intelligent' the body physiology is, forgetting the body has errors. In fact every human physiology regularly produces errors.
How can a product of an omnipotent and omniscient being be so flawed?

Michael547:
Why are you isolating a case?

So do you mean that all governments that has ever engaged in wars in the past and in our time that has led to millions of human death, has psychological problems? Yes or no sir?

Hitler's case is different because that second world war was unprovoked.
In the case of these current governments theirs was provoked by acts perceived to infringe on their sovereignty as countries. Thus wars occur. These wars are products of escalations from civil rifes or border disputes. They may not be related to psychiatric
diseases.
So in those cases, killings would be termed self defense

Michael547:
What of governmental armies who engaged in wars that led to millions of death like in world War 1 and 2, do they have psychological issues too?
What of countries fighting wars today that leads to death of adults and children, do the government in those countries have psychological issues?

It may help your cause if you do some research. Adolf Hitler. Those soldiers took orders from him. And being soldiers they must obey. There were also people in his cabinet who questioned him but he murdered them

Hitler has often been associated with mental disorders such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and psychopathy, both during his lifetime and after his death. Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have diagnosed Hitler as having mental disturbance include well-known figures such as Walter C. Langer and Eric

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathography_of_Adolf_Hitler#:~:text=Hitler%20has%20often%20been%20associated,Langer%20and%20Erich%20Fromm.

Michael547:
Oga who has the right to determine to all humans what is good and what is bad?
Are you saying that if you don't agree with a governmental law and you break the law, it then means that you have a psychological problem?
Do you mean all terrorists that are against governmental laws have psychological problems?
You should be thinking more than this na.

So if you don't agree with Tinubu, it means that you are not sane?

Terrorists and psychopaths have psychiatric issues. Check out delusions of grandeur/megalomaniac tendencies.
Disagreeing with Tinubu doesn't make one commit crime. I don't vote for any politician and have never voted. I don't care or agree with Tinubu's decisions/laws especially concerning fiscal policies and crypto but I haven't gone about stealing peoples money, or killing folks.

Aemmyjah:
You're poorly designed. Yes or No?

Dvmmy I have answered this question twice but for the records I'm gonna answer it again.
YES, I AM POORLY DESIGNED
Do you want it in your native language so it can sink into your JW sex addled brain?
Why do you think humans have chronic back pain, hemorrhoids, autoimmune diseases, cancers. Even babies have cancers.

Aemmyjah:
Ur delusional
Lemme ask you
Did God create women knowing that she would mislead Adam to disobey
Did God make them beautiful so that angels would be seduced by them
Did God make angels knowing that millions of years later, one of them will rebel when he creates mankind
You reason backwards

Coming from a doctor who says humans are poorly designed

Lol. I have shown u that all knowing is the same as omniscient and now u have started another idiotic talk. All these questions are irrelevant cos the god in question doesn't exist.
I am yet to see any facts from u debunking my evidence of poor human anatomy

MaxInDHouse:
FORMER you say again!

Are you this dumb?

Why not someone who has nothing to do with JWs but whose child has been molested by JWs?

Your members target your own children because your elders protect them.
So u think all those cases against them are lies? What about the ones that confessed? Oya lie another lie

MaxInDHouse:
He's looking for cheap blackmail against God's people, at least there should have been one person who is not a JW whose child must have been molested for once nah?
If all the accusers are FORMER MEMBERS that should tell any sane individual that something is wrong somewhere!

Your members target fellow JW children because they know your elders don't report the crime. So they go on abusing children for years til they are caught.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.westernmassnews.com/2023/09/01/jehovah-witness-elder-sentenced-jail-child-sexual-abuse-case/%3foutputType=amp
This man in this link made a mistake and molested a non-JW girl. Oya lie another lie

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind Jaephoenix
He's delusional
A fake doctor
He said labor in women is easy
He said the human body is poorly designed
He said his ancestor is an ape
He quoted fake news that one of us went around killing people

Apart from being dumb, u have also resorted to stupid and daft.
Whether u believe I'm a physician or not is irrelevant. It won't take away my licenses
Humans have been laboring and delivering babies on their own, even at home. Only exceptional cases need intervention.
And yes, human body is poorly designed. I gave you examples of those poor designs but being an idiotic dvmmy u couldn’t counter any of those points, but still continued parroting nonsense about intelligent human design.
I also told you humans descended from apes. We still have tails as evidence. Instead of countering it, ur dummy theists run away.
And finally, I have given u links to confessions of JWs who are convicted killers and molesters. I wonder what other damning evidence u want

Aemmyjah:
Define omniscient

I have gone to great pains to take the screenshot
I now understand why those JW goons want to keep u guys uneducated. Its so none of u dollars can challenge their fuckery

MaxInDHouse:
See your life?

I say show me where a single none member accused a JW of child molestation so everyone can know that those Ex-jws aren't lying.
At least those molesters can't be attracted to only JW kids nah?

Did you read the part where it quoted a former JW elder?
Please if u have reading disability, attend to it before interfacing me

Michael547:
People break laws because they don't agree with those laws and ethics even when they are cultural or governmental laws and ethics. That is why there is never a universally accepted moral code by all humans on earth. If you think doing something is bad, it is your personal opinion. If you try and push your personal opinion on people, Then you are beginning to act like a God.

People break laws due to many reasons. Some think they can get away with the crimes.
Some may not agree however those ones may have psychological problems. Example are psychopaths who kill people for fun. They don't agree with the law. But in all these, the laws have been laid down sane folks and even though those psychos don't agree, those laws can't be changed because of them

MaxInDHouse:
Show where a none JW accused a member of the group.
If you're honest with yourself how can members who have left the organization say something and you're holding up to that as truth?
Are these child molesters not attracted to any other child outside the group?

Critics say that Jehovah’s Witnesses elders have treated child sexual abuse as a sin rather than a crime, documenting complaints in internal files but not reporting them to authorities. And they say the church often required a second witness to substantiate a complaint, a standard that can be impossible to meet when perpetrators often isolate their victims.
Martin Haugh of York Haven, Pa., a former elder who left the church in 2016 and now advocates for survivors of abuse in the church, applauded investigators.

“I hope elders are arrested who knew about child abuse and covered it up and then it happened again,” said Haugh, who testified to the grand jury about the church’s structure and about his own daughter’s abuse within a Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation.

https://apnews.com/article/jehovahs-witness-child-sexual-abuse-investigation-pennsylvania-924fcfcc119eb41fad07d7a217373f2d


I have many more. But lemme start with this. When u digest it I drop more
You guys are a bunch of criminals

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not a dummy how can a group with members throughout the earth be accused by their former members yet not one single long as no single person that's not a member came out to say his or her child was molested by the members of this group you can hold on to your lies!

If I show you several news about JWs that have been convicted of molesting their fellow JW children(and even their own), you will change mouth and tell me they are all lies
I know you. You're very dishonest

Aemmyjah:
God has the ultimate power
He can foresee and foretell
He also has freewill

We don't see his demonstrating his powers all the time
He equally does not use his ability to foresee things
Everything he does, he does so when he wants to

So in other words, he's omniscient but decided not to use his power in the one most important decision: the future of mankind that he created?
So Yahweh said "I know everything but Bleep Adam and his future, ion care if he's gonna eat this fruit or not, so I'm gonna go ahead and create the tree and keep it near him"
Nice one

MaxInDHouse:
You can pick any copy of the Bible to read this perhaps it will help you answer the question!

Then he said: “Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me. Genesis 22:12

What has this verse got to do with the question? Did you woke up sans your frontal lobe?

MaxInDHouse:
He thought when people say something is bad that means they're fully convinced and they're not going to do the same thing even though it's the only way out when they find themselves in tight situations.
So when people sit down together studying God's word discussing how to apply it and help one another in seeing reasons why its inspired by God for the good of all they want to discard such activity yet he feels everyone have agreed on codes of conduct.
Ọmọ atheists use to amaze me walahi talahi.
If people don't sit together discussing on the benefits of God's word how will it sink down their hearts as the right thing to do?

And after discussing 'god's word', they end the day groping children's gen.itals. Children's day is around the corner. Enough kids to work on for ur folks

Truuth:
You don't read, and don't make research.

I read and research. Those stories are not in academic researches. You can't just pull up mythical stories and expect me to swallow it

MaxInDHouse:
They want to boycott the Bible yet they want to establish morals, abeg where is the document that people agreed on globally that they're willing to abide by the code?

I won't have any discussion with someone whose organization allows ped.ophilia and sexual debauchery. Thank you

Michael547:
If lying and murder is not embraced by people in the the world, why is it a daily occurrence all over the world?

Good question.
The answer is human nature. We are destructive and irrational. So laws and ethics are supposed to keep us in check. Unfortunately this fails sometimes. So people break those laws despite the punishments attached to them

Michael547:
So you see yourself? You are back to square one.
When you said killing a human is bad and I told you it was your personal opinion, you were arguing up and down.
Can you now name the few moral code present in the world today that is agreed by all humans on earth?

Murder, lying is universally unacceptable.
Please name which culture these values are embraced

Ken4Christ:
OK. I see. You have invariably fallen into the category of fools. The Bible says that it's only a fool that says that there is no God.

So, the precise rotation and revolution of the planets in our solar system is an accident?

The different organs of the body that functions with precise principles is an accident?

Even a mad man has better hope than you.

You know, ignorance is truly bliss.
Back in the ancient days, they didn't know what caused reproduction, lightning, floods or volcanic eruptions, so they attributed it to gods. Fast forward to centuries later, we all know how all those happen. Right now in 2024 where knowledge is ubiquitous, ignorant folks like you still believe gods 'did it'.
The Earth rotates (or spins) because it has intrinsic angular momentum, inherited from the Solar nebula from which it formed. It orbits the Sun, because it has angular momentum with respect to it, also gained from the primordial nebula. In case u don't know what Angular Momentum, it is the property of a rotating body given by the product of the moment of inertia and the angular velocity of the rotating object.
The organs in the body are composed of cells which are powered by ATP, and their actions are encoded in their nuclear DNA. In fact, these functions can easily go haywire due to poorly coded DNA leading to such diseases like autoimmune disease and cancers. If you assume they are all caused by a god then u insinuate that god is a bumbling idiot who messes up stuff.
I think you need to ask for a reimbursement of your school fees. Your education was a monumental waste of resource

Michael547:
Oga what is the universally accepted morality that all humans follow today that was created and written down by humans?
I am not asking you about any divine morality story.

Like I pointed out earlier, morality is relative. What was morally good 100 years ago may not be the same now. Also what is morally good in Japan may not be so in Nigeria. It all varies. There is very few internationally accepted morally codes presently

sunnyfats:
It is called freewill, in the book of Genesis, God said, let us make men in our image and likeness. That part means , people who are free to make their own decisions.

Satan had the same freedom until he failed, and he was banished from heaven.

Adam had freedom, he would not have failed if not for the devil.

The tree was there as part of God's plan,
There is the tree of life, as well as the one for good and evil.

God did not set them up, he was training them into maturity and understanding(this is a gradual process). If they listened to him, they would not have failed.

These trees we are talking about was made to be consumed by men at certain stages in our lives.
After Adam failed, God locked the garden and put a guard on it. Note that he did not destroy it. This same tree is now revealed in the book of revelation, this time (the bible says), It is TO HIM WHO OVERCOMES. this confirms the fact that it is made for men and it will be given to them. I hope this helps

Did Yahweh know Adam was gonna fail?

Michael547:
Oga bring out the research on when all the ancient people agreed and wrote down the universal standard on what is good and evil.

Virtually every human society has some form of myth to explain the origin of morality. In the Louvre in Paris there is a black Babylonian column with a relief showing the sun god Shamash presenting the code of laws to Hammurabi (died c. 1750 BCE), known as the Code of Hammurabi. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) account of God’s giving the Ten Commandments to Moses (flourished 14th–13th century BCE) on Mount Sinai might be considered another example. In the dialogue Protagoras by Plato (428/427–348/347 BCE), there is an avowedly mythical account of how Zeus took pity on the hapless humans, who were physically no match for the other beasts. To make up for these deficiencies, Zeus gave humans a moral sense and the capacity for law and justice, so that they could live in larger communities and cooperate with one another.

That morality should be invested with all the mystery and power of divine origin is not surprising. Nothing else could provide such strong reasons for accepting the moral law. By attributing a divine origin to morality, the priesthood became its interpreter and guardian and thereby secured for itself a power that it would not readily relinquish. This link between morality and religion has been so firmly forged that it is still sometimes asserted that there can be no morality without religion. According to this view, ethics is not an independent field of study but rather a branch of theology (see moral theology).

There is some difficulty, already known to Plato, with the view that morality was created by a divine power. In his dialogue Euthyphro, Plato considered the suggestion that it is divine approval that makes an action good. Plato pointed out that, if this were the case, one could not say that the gods approve of such actions because they are good. Why then do they approve of them? Is their approval entirely arbitrary? Plato considered this impossible and so held that there must be some standards of right or wrong that are independent of the likes and dislikes of the gods. Modern philosophers have generally accepted Plato’s argument, because the alternative implies that if, for example, the gods had happened to approve of torturing children and to disapprove of helping one’s neighbours, then torture would have been good and neighbourliness bad.

Problems of divine origin
A modern theist (see theism) might say that, since God is good, God could not possibly approve of torturing children nor disapprove of helping neighbours. In saying this, however, the theist would have tacitly admitted that there is a standard of goodness that is independent of God. Without an independent standard, it would be pointless to say that God is good; this could mean only that God is approved of by God. It seems therefore that, even for those who believe in the existence of God, it is impossible to give a satisfactory account of the origin of morality in terms of divine creation. A different account is needed.


Source https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethics-philosophy

For a long time humans have done things differently. Around two million years ago the genus Homo emerged, with larger brains and new skills in making stone tools. Soon after, a global cooling and drying period led to a proliferation of terrestrial monkeys, which competed with Homo for many resources. Early humans needed new options. One alternative involved scavenging carcasses killed by other animals. But then, according to an account from anthropologist Mary C. Stiner of the University of Arizona, some early humans—the best guess is Homo heidelbergensis some 400,000 years ago—began obtaining most of their food through active collaboration in which individuals formed joint goals to work together in hunting and gathering. Indeed, the collaboration became obligate (compulsory) in that it was essential to their survival. Individuals became interdependent with one another in immediate and urgent ways to obtain their daily sustenance.
Many features of human morality could have grown out of simple reciprocal practices such as the mutual removal of parasites from awkward places. Suppose a person wanted to have the lice in his hair picked out and was willing in return to remove lice from someone else’s hair. The person must choose his partner carefully. If he helps everyone indiscriminately, he will find himself delousing others without getting his own lice removed. To avoid this, he must learn to distinguish between those who return favours and those who do not. In making this distinction, he would be separating reciprocators from nonreciprocators and, in the process, developing crude notions of fairness and of cheating. He will naturally strengthen his ties to those who reciprocate, and bonds of friendship and loyalty, with a consequent sense of obligation to assist, will result. Research in psychology and the neurosciences has thrown light on the role of specific parts of the brain in moral judgment and behaviour, suggesting that emotions are strongly involved in moral judgments, particularly those that are formed rapidly and intuitively.

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Truuth:
The neanderthals lived on earth before Adam, they were not created by Enki, Enli to have their nature but they were genetically modified from apes, chimpanzees.
Remember evolution says humans came from apes- the erectus. They ain't wrong.

These Gods added their essence to these animals to form the neanderthals.

What's your source for all these tales

Ken4Christ:
But John was one of the disciples of Jesus. So, he is an eye witness.

If you don't believe their testimonies, why would you believe that of Muhammad who was born nearly 600 years later?

Besides, your quran authenticate the Bible especially the Old Testament and the Gospel.

I'm an atheist. So obviously I don't believe any of those folks u listed
Even Bible scholars would tell you the authors of the Bible are anonymous and that the Bible was from the Dead Sea scrolls which was arranged at the Nicean Council where they decided to pick and chose which books favor them.

Michael547:
So where is the document that these ancient men agreed and wrote down what was universally bad and good?

Only if you had even researched on the history and origin of ancient morality, your ignorance would have been cured. If you want articles and research on these, just tell me and I'll oblige u
But its amazing a Christian would demand documents/evidence from me but believe wholeheartedly what was written in the bible which has not been proven to be legit