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HRprof:
Yea everybody who believe in God pray to God but through different channels
Muslim believe in God
Christian believes in God
Hindu believes in God
Judaism believes in God
But what makes every religion different is the messenger whom they believe that God sent , like Christians believe Jesus as the channel to reach God and Islam believe through Muhammad they reach God as well as others.
I cannot kill myself for what I cannot confirm , all that’s believes are book based written in the holy book which I can not ascertain the true or false

So you're basically saying Allah, Brahma, Yahweh are one and the same? Whoa! Some Christian you are

HRprof:
This is where the problem is !
How do you know that Jesus is the only way to heave ?
How do you know if heaven is real?
Answer this question first

Its in your Holy Babble, mate

HRprof:
You don’t need to speak against other people’s beliefs speak only good behavior that almighty God teach . Winning soul is not about converting people to another religion, religion is man made

Are you sure you're a Christian?

HardMirror:
Matthew 28:19–20
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age

Yet one so called Christian said Jesus did not send them to preach to Muslims. He even said Christians preaching to Muslims are fools

That is the Great Commission I told the dude to go read up. Christians are a bunch of confused souls

HRprof:
You are the one typing rubbish
Did you read my post or read but can not comprehend.
God did not send you Christian to the north to preach against their religion. You are on your own if you do that. Use your head mumu

Did you read the Great Commission in your bable, or its missing in yours?

malvisguy212:
who say everyone is evil ? well your assumption is wrong.

Atheism is a religion because its has a position for the existence of God. unlike sport .

When u turn off the TV and there is no content on it, what channel are you watching?
What god do atheists worship?
You can't pull out definitions from your ass and expect everyone to obey it. If we all do it, (like your Christian folks do here) everywhere would end up in chaos

HardMirror:
are you too daft to Google list of atheist humanitarian organizations

He's not interested in that. Truth is a problem for Christians

malvisguy212:
were do they get the moral standards to help? what did they read?

you read Charles Darwin book. what moral standards did you learn from it? to attacks Christian !!!

I read the Bible, and it's teaches me to help the poor.

Where did the Stone Age folks get their morals from?
Are you aware good morals can exist outside religion?
In fact the Bible is not even a good moral compass since its encourages slavery, misogyny, incest etc
The most moral countries aren't the most religious. Look at Nigeria. Compare it to relatively atheistic countries like Netherlands, and you'll see your religion is useless.

malvisguy212:
give me prove Atheist have humanitarian organisation!!

you personally help with the little you have which is good. the church help....many soldiers are on their way to India for treatment all thank to the church. why do you guys still attack the church?

Lol. Another ignorant Christian. Surprise surprise.
But I'll oblige you.
Atheists usually don't announce their charity and there is no big international organization to collate all the charity.
There is individual charities from those atheist folks I called earlier. There are some like Atheistic Alliance, Atheist Refugee Relief etc. There are many more. Knock yourself out

malvisguy212:
so, what has Atheism done to help ? since y'all seat and blasphemy God /wait for God to BN help.

at least I know for sure that my church has provided more than enough to reduce poverty. tell me what has Atheism done so far ?

There are many philanthropic atheists, from Buffett, Gates etc. Google them. They dont take any offering from folks, and you dont get to know much about them, especially Gates. If you are taking vaccines in Africa, u have to be grateful to him

Jackanda1:
I have been saying that the demon incharge of atheism is not only crafty but wicked.

This people can believe any historical event, but not the Bible. Even when other sources support the narative in scriptures, they would still deny and speak against it.

Because those historical events have many sources and they agree with each other. The Bible in the other hand has been shown to be filled with lies and misinformation, plus the events contradict historical events. Why should we believe it?

kingxsamz:
No 1: Wasn't an atheist. Just because you started drinking, smoking and becoming depressed does not mean you're an atheist. Educate yourself.

No 2: The moniker claims to have been an atheist. No proof of such. Anyone can claim anything here. They come here with some cooked up story about leaving atheism when they've been Christian their whole life

No 3: The account has been disabled and nothing to show he/she was an atheist except for a thread the person made to announce their "conversion". Probably one of those who'll cling to anything for help when life gets rough.

No 4: This account was registered March last year and only claims to have converted. Most posts from this account has nothing to do with religion.

No 5: This account registered on December 14 2018, and was last seen on December 14 2018. Made a conversion thread, commented on it 8 times and left. 😂 Probably one of Jesusjnr's alternate accounts.

No 6: This one have always been a Christian since their registration on Nairaland. It's a faceless forum, anyone can claim anything here.

No 7: This person already said he wasn't an atheist.

I was expecting to see conversion stories from popular or outspoken atheist here not random accounts with little or nothing to show for it.
I'm sure Jesusjnr2020 is the one who created this thread with one of his many monikers. Jesusjnr2020 you've been on a mission to end Atheism on Nairaland since 2019 and this is all you could come up with? Just 7 random and unknown people? 😂
The embarrassment you faced back then with the miracle stunt you tried to pull wasn't enough? 😂😂


Nice try though.

I just pity the guy. Poor soul. He doesn't engage atheists since that disgrace

Myer:
You speak as if the burden of proof rests on me.
If you have a reason to believe, then you go to a good church where there are lots of evidences of God's goodness and even judgment, where people share their testimonies to as many who already believe or "desire" to believe.
Some of us have called believers more unprintable names than you but at the appointed time, by God's Grace and mercy, we now believe.
Not many receive this grace so you better start having a rethink. The earlier, the better for you and your family.

Lol.
How should the burden of proof be on me when you're the one presenting the 'facts'? This is serious
Someone tells me, "Oh, my car can fly".
And I say "Prove it"
And he replies "Prove to me my car can't fly"
Dafuq am I to prove it when you're the one trying to make me believe it.
Same way u tell us atheists, "God exists"
We reply "Show us evidence he exists"
And u go "Show us evidence he doesn't exist"
Lol 😆

MaxInDHouse:
"Theists" you say not Christians!
I don't know what you meant by that though but then if you're talking about people who don't believe in the existence of God there are many out there claiming Pastors, Prophets, Reverends and so on!

Who is a Christian? How come there are different definitions from different sects?

Emusan:
The proof for that is our complex supercomputer.

Is human brain more complex than supercomputer we have today? The answer is Yes!

Was this supercomputer DESIGNED? The answer is another capital YES!

because nothing as complex as supercomputer will be deny of being designed in scientific world today.

So how come something that is far more complex than what great and intelligent scientists, engineers and mathematicians come together to produce has no proof for its complexity?

If, you agree that supercomputer can't come from DULLARD OR UNINTELLIGENT mind, how come you can open mouth to say HUMAN BRAIN doesn't have any proof of DESIGN?

You people know natural processes can't produce the complexity of human brain but will like to push it aside like something that is not note worth, yet praises the great scientists, engineers and mathematicians for their great contribution to give us a complex system like computer and other technologies.

It's easy for you to say the complexity of human brain has no PROOF OF DESIGN but will never dare say the same with supercomputer.

Why do you avoid debates with me? Lol. Even after I bring evidence for you? Your god no like truth?

Emusan:
You're right!



I like this!

For something to develop, it means the thing is happening under set of rules.

For instance, when to start developing and when top stop.

This are the same rules applicable in the scientific world, reason why we could have a complex system like microprocessor e.t.c and the reason why apply the word "DESIGN" to them.

Ever heard of DNA?

Emusan:
Okay, let me ask then.

To you, do you think human brain was designed or through random evolution?

Evolution is not random. At least read up about it before typing crap

FRANCISTOWN:
No now. Stop this mental projection.

I haven't said anywhere that the human brain is a product of evolution. Therefore, you cannot engage me based on what I've not said.

Actually the human brain is a product of evolution. Not just the brain, but other organs. Some other organs have evolved too like the coccyx(tail bone),appendix, pineal etc

Emusan:
As an Atheist, I know you won't agree that human brain was designed.




@underlined is the key.

So, do you think human brain that is far higher and complex than any known computer today can be a work of evolution?



Good, so why do you think a WELL DESIGNED computer who can't even be compared to that of human brain can't come through evolution but human brain can?

So if it was designed, then you're indicting whoever created it(who u assume is your god). Are you aware some babies are born without brains, some with brain malfunctions? This your maker must be a hell of a goofy fairy

triplechoice:
He he he .
I can see you very good at imagining things and believing them as fact. We are not discussing how to use Google my friend, but finding scientific support for your conjectures about the human brain at death. Please be focused if you want us to continue with the discussion But what exactly are those "functions" at death? Unfortunately, you don't know a thing nor can describe it the way it is. You just imagined something in your head and try to use subterfuge to pass it as scientific fact. And the next thing, you want me to search for it in Google.

I said, based on what has been observed by scientists , the human brain is flatline during that period and so not capable of producing such vivid imageries associated with the phenomenon. Flatline doesn't mean no more activity, but not enough to create the experience.

Instead of disputing what I already explained with facts and evidence, you're casting innuendos everywhere.
1. Once again, I never said the brain is no more "functioning" but has gone flatline. Please use Google to help you understand what that means as it concerns NDE.

2. The brain creating movies in the head is not the same activity as the brain helping you to store information so you remember it later. You don't have any evidence the former can happen during that period You just assume and made a logical leap that since the later is possible then, the former is also possible. That's not scientific thinking. My friend.



Instead of wasting my time and directing me to Google, why didn't you just admit you were only engaging you brain to imagine all that you have explained.

If you had admitted that, there won't be any reason for me to drag you any further on this .

Those NDE folks brains doesn't stop functioning. Even when we confirm someone clinically dead, it doesn't mean the brain cant function. The brain remains functioning 5 to 6 minutes after the heart stops pumping. In those 5 or 6 minutes, they can dig into their memory banks and conjure those NDE moments, before return of spontaneous circulation occurs(restart of heartbeat)
Another thing that makes rubbish of NDEs is it is experienced by people of every religion, and each one talks about meeting their resppective gods, or religious experiences. So which god is the real one?
That should tell their experiences are simply religious indoctrinations that are replayed, like explained earlier

Emusan:
The funny thing is, you'll see them discussion much more about what human brain is capable of but still believe it's a product of just random evolution.

When even supercomputer which not a dullard can produce but products of different genius engineers work don't near that of human brain.

So na your fairy create the brain?
Ever heard of DNA?

Dtruthspeaker:
I gave you the proof years ago and you could not fault it which is that no thing in this world created itself!

spaghetti's and animals cannot create and do not create as complex and diverse as a creation which God created to be like Him.

This madman. Lol 😆
This is a new year. Press the start button in your brain
Present your evidence again or shut your piehole

RightChanneI:
Sorry atheist, the bolded above WHO ARE YOU SENDING YOUR PRAYERS 🙏 TO?

Is like you're a confused atheist, Seun see one of your boys praying here

If you can read properly, (which most Christians can't) you'll see I mentioned Flying Spaghetti Monster there.
Confused christian

atheistconverta:
Why would you agree when he has proven the ignorance of your claim it takes someone to forget his brain to be a christian? Even if he's not the greatest to you as he was to most, including those in the science field, it will take the highest order of personal bias to deny the fact that he's one of the greatest. Yet he was a devout Christian while being that, so please spare me your desperate excuses and humbly acknowledge your blatant error. It's the more mature thing to do.

In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin.[132] In 1999, historian Stephen D. Snobelen wrote, "Isaac Newton was a heretic. But ... he never made a public declaration of his private faith—which the orthodox would have deemed extremely radical. He hid his faith so well that scholars are still unraveling his personal beliefs."[127] Snobelen concludes that Newton was at least a Socinian sympathiser (he owned and had thoroughly read at least eight Socinian books), possibly an Arian and almost certainly an anti-trinitarian

atheistconverta:
God will never waste His time to try convince someone who mind is sealed up already against Him regardless of what He does. Since you're not willing, it's best you resigned your mind and forgot about God ever trying to show you anything until you become willing to believe. The science you worship is only a copycat at best, yet there are some things God made that science can't copy as we speak. God is the Creator if only you could comprehend that. So there's no basis of comparison except that science tries to copy from the work God did on how to replicate it.

But Yahweh wasted his time and blocked a puny human like Saul on his way to Damascus. Lol
Any evidence that Yahweh made the universe? No. What if I tell you Flying Spaghetti Monster made it?

Myer:
I would have loved to share testimonies with you but as Jackanda1 rightly said, it is better for you to actually go to good churches and you will see many signs/evidences being done and happening in people's lives.
But then only God calls who will be saved.

As you share the 'testimonies', please kindly bring evidence. We arent as gullible as you folks

atheistconverta:
That's fair enough. But as for the bolded that's as ignorant as they could possibly come, because the best and intelligent minds that have ever lived have been Christians. Noah (invented the Ark/cargo ship), Joseph (invented the pyramids/world biggest storage facility), Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach, Abednego, (masterminded the hanging gardens of Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar etc.), Isaac Newton (world's greatest scientist in history) etc. You may deny the rest not existing because of sentiments but not Isaac Newton, and he was openly a devout Christian. So you're obviously wrong my friend on your assertion.

All the names in the Bible are non existent. And so dont count. Newton is not a Christian. He doesn't believe in the same god you believe in. I'm tired of correcting ignorant christians

atheistconverta:
If you don't believe Jesus ever lived, it's simply because you don't want to because there are undeniable evidence to this effect. If you can believe that Caesar lived but not Jesus, then the problem is not with Him ever living but your sentiments blindly rejecting that undeniable historical fact.

Caesar is a title, not a human name. Just like Emperor. If you mean Julius Caesar, yes, there is evidence he lived. Not for jesus

atheistconverta:
As for 1 and 2, God sees the heart, and trust me, if you're truly willing in your heart, God will prove Himself to you in a way that you'd believe He exists. That's a small thing for Him to do. What's a big deal is the for the heart of men to be sincere and willing. Remember He once revealed Himself in a convincing and powerful way to a nation called Israel, however they didn't still believe in Him despite knowing for a fact that He exists.

Are you trying to tell me no christian amputee is worthy of yahweh restoring their limbs, since the beginning of time? Really?

atheistconverta:
You probably forgot these ones have said the same things before as atheists but later realized their error in that. Should I show you some of their posts at the time? They could even be worse than yours so i won't be surprised if you tomorrow have a change of heart. God bless you.

Christians convert to atheism and vice versa. There's no big deal.
The point is there is no gold in the room. The babble is plain crap

atheistconverta:
You are right about Christians living a lifestyle of sin. Those aren't real Christians. Real Christians aren't always perfect, but if they sin, it's not a norm but an aberration, because their lifestyle is one of righteousness and obedience of God's Word. As for avoiding sin despite being an atheist, if true, then you're on the right path. Only thing left is to add Christ to that and it'd be a match made in heaven. Jesus loves you.

Please compare the crime rates of relatively atheistic countries like Nederlands to Nigeria. Their jails are almost empty compared to ours. What does that tell you?

atheistconverta:
People's limb don't have to be amputated first and restored for you to believe God exists. God made those limbs to be there in the first place so if you can't believe He exists because of that, you wouldn't believe if He restores them to the way He made them to be.
As for your apologies, you never know because some former NL atheists turned Christians, including those on this thread have said same things before.

So if Yahweh made those limbs(which you claim without evidence) why can't he replace it? Or is he allergic to limb replacement surgeries?