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Nextt:
Did Jesus heal every blind person, every deaf, every mute, every paralytic He came across? He healed only those who had faith to be healed. The miracles of God are not like magic you can learn by purchasing a Magic Made Easy Guide or Do It Yourself Book of Magic. Without faith, nothing happens even if a person prays for months.

Yup. I'm talking about those who had faith here(as in christians). Not random unbelievers. These christians with all their faith etc are still unhealed. The only ones you hear that are healed are unknown christians. The Christian celebs like Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo etc don't get healed cos the miracle go cast

Dtruthspeaker:
When Christians used to say :by faith" they could accomplish anything you atheists never accepted it. You always insisted in direct and physical confirmation.

But here you are i now ask for direct physical confirmation of how a person touches me with his eyes and I felt it and now you are blowing grammar saying phantom shit.

The bottomline is that you can't answer the question. Period. So you lost.

Nobody touches anyone with eyes. Its a gut feeling one feels about being watched, which may or may not be incorrect
Grow a brain

Dtruthspeaker:
Your fake pretence at pretending you do not understand the bold is already proof that you already knew you were caught and yoy could never answer the question hence your using the bold as a distraction in an attempt to cover your failure and loss!

E no work! I have always told you, those tricks and gimmicks would not work on me. Loser! Hahahahahahaha No Road. Case Closed Loser!

Ok

MrPresident1:
@Nextt

He is not guiltless, there is blood on his hand, there is blood in his mouth, blood is matted in his hair, he reeks of human blood

He is a demon, a devil. A hopeless dog

Hi, Mr Christian. Hope you're having a blast. This is the quack and bloody atheist wishing you Merry Christmas

DeepSight:
The laws of causality and common reason lead us to know that there must be an ultimate source of all other existing things.



It is necessarily self-existent, and this is deduced in logic and philosophy.

What's the meaning of this?
Do you know what logic is? You just committed a fallacy now. Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception.

Nextt:
So, your definition of 'salvation' is keeping someone (anybody who calls himself a Christian) from dying and being buried?

Let me understand your train of thought. Are you actually saying that salvation means God will keep destruction from the world and keep people or Christians from experiencing death or persecution?

1. I didn't say christians won't die. I mean saving them from stuff like accidents etc. Things that would cut their lives short and prevent them from fulfilling their 'destinies'
2. I'm just showing you whats written on your own babble? Argue with it

Nextt:
You claim to be scientifically inclined but this question proves otherwise. The presence of a product is evidence of a maker. What other evidence do you need? Can order arise from random occurrence? Throw ingredients into a pot and let egusi soup with its distinct flavour merge from the random mix. It is scientific ignorance to think every kind of reality is subject to obversable method of verification. Please, while you are at it, give me evidence, testable, observable evidence of the imagination or human mind.

A complex, powerful and knowledgeable being like god couldn't just pop up. Can it? It must need a maker, surely, innit?

MrPresident1:
A lying godless atheist dog fool

Oh men! Which atheist do dis guy strong tin? Oya sorry nah. Suck bress and stop crying

MrPresident1:
A lying fool.

You are no doctor, you are a lying fool

Lol 😆 . Whatever your Excellency feels. Who am I to dispute what my boss says. Merry Christmas bitch

Nextt:
Please reread the post I made in reference to the bolded to verify whether I asked the question or not.

When you see a work of art, a paint or picture you do not ask who painted it but you subconsciously accept the fact that a painter is behind it. The painter may be anonymous, he may be dead or alive, he may be black or white. You don't care or seek evidence of a painter behind a paint because you know brush strokes cannot move on their own to create a logical picture. You just know someone is behind it though that someone may not be known to you.

You can admit testimonial and documentary evidence in the court of law but when it comes to the bible you consider it hogwash. This double standard is glaring. As with the painter, who may leave a note through an agent to verify his ownership of the paint such written evidence is admissible or considered authentic enough to lay his claim to the paint. This is exactly what happened thousands of years ago before any exploration into space was made, He who formed the earth said it is a circle in His Word. A manufacturer has a manual of how a product or device operates. The bible is also God's manual of his creation. Galileo would have been saved the stress of proving that the earth is round if only he had simply made reference to the book of Isaiah.

It is gross fallacy to think empirical evidence can match every kind of reality. For example, do you have any explanation for how the imagination can be objectively observed? You can't see mine neither I yours. Does that mean it doesn't exist? Science can tell there is imagination but cannot prove it. Maybe you can provide the empirical evidence of memory, consciousness, and morality.

On the nature of the existence of God, who created and exists outside time and space, asking evidence of His existence is simply shallow thinking. Scientific methods used to verify the existence of anything is severely limited to phenomena subject to time and space. It is like fitting the entire universe into your little laboratory. As impossible as it is there is more hope for that than to fit God, who created the universe and exists outside it, into observable, testable methods. It is like looking for the evidence of the presence of a matchbox company in the matchbox product itself. Lols.

Finally, an artist signs his name on his paint. That is his badge. You can read this last bit up and make your findings. DNA mapping has been discovered to include the name of God in every living thing. The numerological DNA sequence reads YHWH in the Hebrew language. It is encoded in the DNA of all living things. That is the artist signing His work.

1. Not all documentary or testimonial evidences are admitted in court. Just few and they are usually scrutinized. The bible as an evidence falls apart in scrutiny
2. It might interest you that the people that opposed Galileo were in fact the church. The Christians who were told in the bible that the Earth was flat, and felt Galileo was committing a heresy by implying the Babble was wrong, and he nearly paid with his life.
Also Isaiah said the earth is FLAT. Read it
3. We can't use empirical evidence for everything, because some words are nebulous. Lemme explain. We can't see truth, can we? But know it exists. But we have seen objects that portray truth, like your true parents etc. Another example is reasoning. We can't see reasoning but we have its products like scientific ideas, people committing murders etc. About god, we can't see any evidence. If we see trees, there is no evidence it came from god.
4. By the way, even if we assume everything came from god, how do we know its your favorite sky daddy and not Flying Spaghetti Monster, Thor etc? And who created god since everything MUST have a creator?
5. There are no sulfur bonds in the human DNA. This sequence bullshit has been debunked by scientists but does it stop Babble thumpers from using it? Hell no. Ya'll dont depend on evidence. You run on hearsay and lies

Dtruthspeaker:
When we are the only one who makes a product and the only one who can make it, we never badge or trademark or logo them!

There is no need to! And that is Why God is The Only God!

It is the presence of co-creators which makes creators place marks and trademarks and logos on their toys (creations).

But for God, THERE IS NONE. THERE IS NO OTHER AND THERE IS NONE BESIDES HIM!
Hahahahahaha!

So who made god?

LordReed:
Very good! Where is the badge of the manufacturer on anything that clearly states it was made by your god? Where is the trademark or logo or label?

I haven't skipped anything because that's not what you asked me. You are the one claiming these things where made by your god so the onus is on you to provide the evidence that it is so. Your incredulity about the natural processes that bring about the formation of the sun, earth and life are all your problem not mine, so it all lies on you to provide the evidence that these natural processes are being conducted by your god.

These christians are so ignorant about science. I wonder where they were when these things were taught in high school. Or is it evidence of our poor educational system?

Dtruthspeaker:
Na you get gravity or you fit buy gravity yet you dey use moto! brahahahahaha. Atheist una no go ki me with laugh and una stupidity

You're even dafter than I thought. You wont know sarcasm even if it tears your boxers

Dtruthspeaker:
No need for science paper. Every reasonable and normal person can see that things do not create themselves and that they are abundant or scarce or even absent according to how their Creator set it to be.

Secondly, even the cloth on your body is evidence and proof of your tailor even where we all do not know her. So you have no valid argument.

So who created god?

Nextt:
It is easy to say the gravitational pull of the sun causes the movement of the earth. It is easy to say nuclear fusion of hydrogen atoms to form helium is the reason for the sun's self-sustaining energy over billions of years. That is like saying a car moves when the engine burns fuel and converts the heat of the fuel into traction by which the car can operate. What company designed the car? If I wanted a sun or moon with my name on it and customized to my desire where do I go to have one made for me? What designed it? Did the sun create itself? Did the earth create itself? Did life create itself? If so, why is life absent on other planets we know? These are the questions you have skipped skillfully.

Its like you're like Dliespeaker. Science isnt your forte.
There are artificial suns. There are planets with oxygen like Venus, in fact, we haven't finished discovering all the exo-planets, and some of them have been speculated to have life.
I suggest you read up more science

Nextt:
You have artfully dodged the question. The Word of God said a thousand years is like a day in the sight of God and a day is like a thousand years. Going by that, two days (two thousand years) is well within the context of 'soon' or 'quickly'. You can't deny knowing how people usually describe the passage of weeks and months as fast by saying, "Days are fast!". It is not even two days (two thousand years). The issue here is you said he hasn't returned since then as if He gave a specific timeframe. I hope you will specifically point that fact out, and leave no room for guesswork, not by hanging your argument on an abstract adverb - 'quickly'



Who made the waters for the ships to sail? Can you or any scientist living create an ocean? Do you have the technology to create a star like the sun much less billions of stars in the galaxy? Who made the heaven for the planes to fly? Can you create the clouds to give rain and float in the sky? Every cloning attempt has suffered fatal failure following a very short spell of success. You think creating man and animals na beans? Why can't your scientists replicate the feat? I cannot begin to highlight the complexity behind the 'simple' creations you see that makes your so-called planes, ships and technological innovations look like primitive devices in comparison. The wisdom with which God created the comet, the galaxies, the planets, the seasons - which one can primitive science accomplish? The technology alone to make the earth from nothing is trillions of light years away from what science is able to achieve and can ever dream of achieving and you gloat on the use of ships and plane. Gosh. Lol. Like the Being who created the seas needs your wooden or metal ships to cross the seas? Lol. This error of logic is beyond me.



And there are yet many places still living in the darkness of ignorance. God is a just and righteous God.

God does not count time the way you do. After the fall of Adam, He did not send Jesus immediately to die for the sins of mankind. It would take more than 5,000 years later for the Lord Jesus to appear from the time of Adam. When the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians God waited 400 years to send a deliverer to them. If the Lord Jesus had returned before now, how would the prophecy about the Antichrist and the completion of the third temple in Israel be fulfilled? We see that already happening in our time but the end will not be until this is done. God has laid a calendar of events that must be fulfilled before the end. That is the reason for the delay besides His mercy and grace of repentance. Lastly, before technology God spread His Word; without it His Word will still be spread by leaps and bounds. Nothing can hinder its progress. Nothing and you know it.

1. Scientists have created artificial rain, sea, stars, embryo, animals etc. Try and read
2. I thought u guys always blast atheists for thinking the Earth came from nothing? Now you're saying the same thing. Lol 😆

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Nice writeup Mr J.

Thank you bro. Merry Christmas

Dtruthspeaker:
Gravity is not in the place we call space if we accept the hearsay of those who say they have gone to space, so clearly someone packed it here exactly how climate control works in our car.

And gravity cannot create itself exactly as the climate control did not create itself . So the proof of God is all over the place for every person to see and only unreasonable devils and of course devils are always haters of God that is why you are the only ones who deny God's honour. No reasonable person does that only devils like you.

Earth's gravity comes from all its mass. All its mass makes a combined gravitational pull on all the mass in your body. That's what gives you weight. And if you were on a planet with less mass than Earth, you would weigh less than you do here.
Like I always tell you 'STAY AWAY FROM ANY SCIENTIFIC DISCOURSE. YOUR BRAIN ISNT SUITABLE FOR IT'

Nextt:
No one said God is depending on any technological advancement to have His Word spread to all the earth. [/b]Phillip was translocated to the path of the Ethiopian Eunuch so that He could explain the scriptures to the Ethiopian. Paul went by ships to different nations to preach. Besides, I also mentioned people where the light of civilization has not shone. Do they read books, watch TVs, surf the internet? In the midst of this technological advancement, there are billions without formal education. Many must have heard the word preached in the language they can understand but books and the internet are useless in propagating the gospel to reach this class of people.

Again, you mentiond [b]'nearly 2000 years of history...' as if Christ gave a timeframe of His return and has failed to do just that. I will like to see that evidence now if you don't mind.

How come previously anti-internet christians are now embracing it? Like Deeper Life. They use Internet to spread the Babble. Same as Christ Embassy etc. These days, its common to see church streams. Go online now on Instagram, Facebook etc and see links to churches. So what are you talking about?

Nextt:
Exactly my point. How did it come to be? Can the process be replicated? Why is the earth rotating on its axis and making a revolution round the sun which we call a year? A car moves and we know why but the planets also move and what fuels their movement? Why does earth support life but other planets don't? Is it a random occurrence or random selection? What made the sun, the earth, the stars? What governs their movement? Can you explain any of these?

1. Because the amount of gravity exerted by the sun is so much more than the Earth's gravitational pull, the Earth is forced into an orbit around the sun. The sun's gravity pulls the Earth toward it the same way it does to all the other planets in the solar system. It is similar to the way the Earth has captured the moon. That is how it forms days and seasons.
2. Apart from Earth, Venus has oxygen which is a requirement for life. Other Earth-like exoplanets are in existence light years away. Read up more here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-discover-a-planet-with-the-potential-to-support-life-180980733/
3. The Sun formed about 4.6 billion years ago in a giant, spinning cloud of gas and dust called the solar nebula. As the nebula collapsed under its own gravity, it spun faster and flattened into a disk.
This is why I say religion is for the ignorant. And thrives in ignorant societies like Nigeria. And you're a nice product of this ignorance

Geovanni412:
Why are you so pained?

Counter him with Christian verses that support your point

If all the disciples behaved so scared like this, Christianity for no spread reach like this.

Bro, the thing tire me.
A Christian asked me why I tuned atheist. I promised him I would let him know. 5 days later after he repeated his question again, I replied him and told him I'll make a thread outta it, so other Christians would know(and stop asking me why I became atheist). Now I made the thread and replied him, 10 days later, neither the dude Lawag3 nor other Christians have attempted to counter any of the points. All I get is all kinds of accusations and threats. Threats I'm so used to hearing. Its funny.
But it looks as if you are a Christian, so you can attempt some counter yourself.
Merry Christmas

Nextt:
The same God who has reserved this world for fire? You talk about war, famines and pestilence. These are just the birth pangs of much greater destruction to come. The real destruction is doing press up. Fire, the kind that will guzzle the whole earth with everything in it and still be hungry is on its way, reserved, and you are lamenting about mere war and destruction.

God will not exercise His power to appeal to your false sense of righteousness. Your (all men's) righteousness is like used and overused rags in His sight. As long as there is sin there will be destruction. That effect is only a cosmetic solution to present danger. God will not use His power to erase destruction while sin, the source of destruction, continues unabated. It is exactly like spraying perfume in an environment of garbage dump (sin) to eradicate a stench (destruction). The pleasing aroma lasts only seconds butnit won't take long reality will set in because the stench from the dump persists. This is why the world is reserved for fire to burn up the refuse (the world and all those who have rejected Christ). Until then, God is giving the grace, as long as you still breathe, to change your ways and turn to Him.

But he killed some babies without them repenting

LordReed:
I have nearly 2000years of history to back up what I am saying so I am just stating the obvious. Meanwhile I am yet to see anything to the contrary. Funny how a so called universe building god waits for human technology to progress first before his most important message can reach everyone. So which technological invention is the god waiting for now? We've done books, TVs, the Internet yet the message hasn't reached everyone? Maybe he is waiting for quantum computers or quantum tunneling communications, LoLz.

Hes waiting for AirMessage. Messages that move in the air

Nextt:
A pretty bold thing to say. You and I may die in the next 50, 60 years and Christ may not have returned by then. Why? The Gospel must first be preached to everyone in the world including those who are cut off from civilization. Secondly, the prophecies that precede His return have not come to pass especially the prophecy about the mountain of God (Christianity) being exalted above the world's system of living and His last effort to reach mankind by sending His Spirit of repentance to the whole world so that people will cry in repentance to Him without needing a preacher. As it is appointed for each and every one of us to stand before Christ in judgment, so shall His return. It is appointed and there is no going back. His delay is His grace of repentance to the world to turn from the sins that decay them to His light of salvation.

So what about those that didn't hear your gospel and died. Would they go to hell?

KanuSE:
Compare the number of quality players on injury list to the strength on the pitch, this should give an insight.

Bye.

Bro, quickly go and confirm. Each club has lost quality players. In fact, Liverpool just added 2 players to their injury list, making it 8 quality players. Or would you tell me Diaz and Tsimikas aren't quality?
Stop your blame game. Your team is just trash

KanuSE:
Have you considered your injury list yet, what do you expect from a depleted team like Man Utd?

Every club has a long injury list, even worse than Man Utd. Liverpool has 6, City 5, Newcastle 7, Arsenal 2 etc. So stop these excuses

Nextt:
The very same thing Satan told Jesus, "Turn these stones into bread if you are the Son of God".

He knew Jesus is the Son of God. Oga, God is not your entertainer and the works of God are not done for entertainment.

You say God does not exist. The Bible says that you can't deny His existence as you are without excuse because God's invisible nature is seen in His created order. You are daily surrounded by it. You know that God exists but shut your ears to the truth. It beats me how anyone can witness Day turn into Night and the seasons follow each other without overtaking and at their appointed time, the wisdom that formed them has never been explained or duplicated by science to this day, yet the same person says something created it, not someone. Lol.

Lol. So its your god that made sun to set? Just like the ancient days they believe lightning and thunder were from the gods. So what's your evidence for that? And why do you think it wasn't Thor/Flying Spaghetti Monster etc that is responsible for the sun setting

Nextt:
Sure, Christians should just wave their bibles like magic wands and everyone will be instantly healed. No need for the sick to have faith and repent from their sins. No need for them to seek God. They should also wave their bibles and Nigeria's economic woes will disintegrate in seconds. Everyone will be happy. No more sickness and suffering in Nigerian and the world all over. Yeah, we Christians can make the world a paradise on earth with our magic wands.

Well, that is what is written in your Babble? Or you don't read it?

DeepSight:
The laws of causality and common reason lead us to know that there must be an ultimate source of all other existing things.



It is necessarily self-existent, and this is deduced in logic and philosophy.

If you reason that everything must have a source then it goes without saying that that source must have a source. It shouldn't just pop outta thin air. So you aren't logical. You just committed a fallacy of special pleading

Nextt:
Many man people die from malaria, HIV/AIDs, headaches, etcetera despite the advancement made in medical science over the centuries. Their deaths don't stop you from absolutely trusting science. Their deaths don't make you question the relevance or importance of medical science.

You blame God for the death of millions of jews but you are ignorant of what He said in His word that nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. He said there will be war, famines and pestilences. You confuse your sentiments with God's agenda for mankind. Did God say in His word that He came to stop genocides from occurring? Did He say He has come to put a stop to human suffering on earth?

You atheists like to quote the state of affairs to back up your claim of the non-existent nature of God, or the cruel nature of God if He exists. Nothing can be further from the truth.

That brings me to another matter. The Op also asked who created God if God created something. Will address that in another post.

Obviously you don't read your Holy Babble.
He clearly said he'll save his people.

Isaiah 41 verse 10
10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Isaiah 55:11
11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it

Psalms 145:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, To all that call upon him in truth. He will fulfil the desire of them that fear him: He also will hear their cry, and will save them.

There are many verses like those quoted above littered all over your Babble. Y'all quote it. Your pastors use it. When they fail, you now come out to spout what you just said. And you start dodging responsibilities for your god.
Remember Yahweh said he saves. So what happens to his saving grace?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet fool, WE ALL FELT IT! And the touch was confirmed even by the hostile toucher who touched us without physically touching us. As i told you, you should learn to shut up rather than speak stupidly as we already know that it was impossible for you to answer this hence your earlier attempt at evasion and misdirection.

I told you, all the tricks and fraudulent arguments you atheists make won't get past me.

The bolded shows youre really a clown. A toucher confirming a 'touchee's touch? Lol 😆