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triplechoice:
So when something makes sense as a figure of speech you can't make sense of it to know what's being referred to ?

A computer software is not tangible, but it makes perfect sense to describe it as that when you consider the visible effects it produces. That's how we know it exist without measuring it directly. This is simple science that a person who claim to be an expert is struggling to understand. SMH

Your problem is that you want a word to mean only what you want to mean despite evidence to the contrary, and that's because of the personal agenda you're pursuing on this thread.



What visible effects does spirit produces for you to compare it to a software. That's all
If you're not able to mention that ,then please take your display to the right section and ask your questions there. You're derailing the thread. Maybe it's about time the mods are invited to intervene since you don't want to be honest.

This is religion section and the subject under discussion is spirit. Discuss that if you know it and stop hiding behind something to prove another thing that's not related to it in any way It won't work here .

Your friends have by their comments shown you're indirectly explaining spirit or God,but you continue to deny it, and you're a Christian?

Modified. You want to measure physically another person's grief before you know they're grieving.? Nonsense.

The funny thing is his fellow cretarded theists are applauding him, like he's their champion. That shows their reasoning is just poor

TenQ:
No wonder, comprehension is far from you.


Why don't you ask ChatGPT to help you before you finally reduce yourself to beyond irredeemable.
Better still,
Google is your friend

Retard, I did what you asked
See, u r just clowning around and exposing your ignorance, and your fellow retarded theists are clapping for you, while we atheists look on in amusement. Tehehehe

TenQ:
I can see the kind of breed of school-leavers we breed: those whose ability to reason is questionable

And instead of doing what I asked, u decide to do drop insults. Awesome

Aemmyjah:
"If I were still an atheist, this one line of evidence would convince me that God exists


Virtually every scientist believes that the universe began at some point in the past
It is not eternal or always existed. Alexander Vilenkin, the head of cosmology, institute at Tufts University said, 'The Proof is now in place that the universe had a beginning'

That makes a strong argument for God because whatever begins to exist has a Cause
We now know the universe began to exist. Therefore, there must be a Cause behind the universe.
Well, then let me ask you a question
"What kind of a Cause would bring the universe into existence?"
1. It must be transcendent, because[b] it existed apart from the creation[/b]
2. It must be timeless or eternal because it existed before physical time came into being.
3. It must be immaterial or Spirit because it existed before the physical world was created
4. Must be powerful, given the immensity of the creation event
5. Must be smart given the precision of the creation event
6. Must be caring because he created such a wonderful habitat for us to exist in
7. Must be personal because he has to make the decision to create
8. And then the scientific principle of Occam's Razor tells us that there would be just one Creator

... Transcendent, Spirit, Eternal, Powerful, Smart, loving, unique... That's the description of the God of the Bible

I personally, anyway would come to the conclusion that there's a divine creator"

1. You lie when you say every scientist agree the universe is created. Most scientists maintain agnosia of universe creation, and a few believe it may be eternal.
2.Vilenkin believes the universe originated from nothing. And its his theory, though he can't back it up. Now this negates your view that the universe was created
3. Okay, lets assume the universe was created, for the sake of this argument. Why would I assume its Yahweh and not Osiris etc? Remember these gods existed before Yahweh was coined

CrossRhodes:
Enoch lived and was taken by God from this earth. He's not a mythical figure.
The book named after him talked about fallen angels and how they dwelt among humans, which is referenced in Genesis 6: 1-4.

Or the Bible is a myth too to have mentioned it?

Yes the bible has been scientifically and historically found to be incorrect

TenQ:
It seems you know "your people" very well.
Three categories
1. Those who know the truth but will rather avoid it
2. Those who think they know the truth and splash all about with non-sensities
3. Those who are just plain dumb but will argue anyways


You are perfectly correct about the Nature of the Creator: as an Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible. God is the Uncaused FIrst-Coause of Everything that Exists.

Of course reason ALONE should lead us to the Door of the Creator of the Universe!
The only problem is that are we willing to Reason with Logic and Facts or just sheepishly follow the conclusion of some other people without following through with our own assessment for their conclusion.
Why did God Create the Universe?
What does He want?
Does God care if I hate others and commit selfish and despicable acts like Rape, Murder, Torture, Blackmail on them?

The issue now is: after coming to a knowledge of the Creator, the question that we must all still answer is WHICH is the TRUE Creator! It is only one who Truly searches that will find this answer amongst the several answers available in the world.

Who created this creator?
By the way, one of your retarded croonies said all scientists believe the universe was created or had a beginning. Lol. Which scientists? U christians pull out data and definitions from ur ass and make it look like facts

TenQ:
Life is that which animates any biological collection of cells.

How can life be Tangible if it does Not have mass, nor dimension nor energy?

How do you quantify it?

It is tangible because we can see its effects on cells. We can appraise it by its effects on cells. We don't really need to touch life. So its tangible

TenQ:
Just like I don't like the modern definition of Gender, I don't like the modern definition of Atheism.


Atheism mean: Without Deity (except you disagree with this definition).

Then you may let us have your own preferred definition and let us dissect it.


Like I have halped you break down a common misconception that Atheism is Lack of Belief in Any Deity

What is your own definition?

The definition of atheism has never changed. Its either u didn't know it before or u r just plain ignorant.

TenQ:
Like:
Her Grief was tangible!


1. Is this an objective judgement?
2. What is the value of Grief that will make it tangible?

Your royal majesty seems not to know what a figure of speech is: do you?

For the last time, direct your queries to the right channel, in this case, at the Merriam-Webster dictionary
Thank you

CrossRhodes:
What you don't know, you don't know.

Read about "sirens" in the book of enoch

Why are u using myths to back up your claims?

Jashub:
Really...okay give us a name .

All u have to do is just google 'Is the bible scientifically and historically correct' and your answer would pop up, but u r looking for one scientist name. If I give you one name now, you'll want 5 extra

Jashub:
Okay ,mention one Christian terrorist organization.

Oh my days!
Did you read any of those links at all

StillDtruth:
Something people are looking at and looking out for everyday especially as people like accusing people of infidelity, like that guy accused Nathaniel Bassey. Many people are playing police and DNA in this area, so we see how dark parents have given birth to yellow and after "thorough" investigation and scrutiny, the child was confirmed not a product of "away match".

Science isn't for u bro. This discourse is now entering the realms of genetics and u r completely clueless in science. Please call it a day

StillDtruth:
Come to think of it ooo, you are correct!

For it was after Noah that man was given power to eat meat, and it was also at that same time that God commanded that any animal which kills a man, would have a problem with Him.

Wow, so when God Commanded eat herbs and fruits it was a command covering man and animals as confirmed by Genesis 1:29.

And that is why lion and goat could live together.

The power of flesh eating opened up only after Noah!

That's why i like nairaland, you guys are very stimulating and make one learn something new.

Interesting. This shows u r not a science student. Please leave any scientific discourses
At no point in lion evolution did they eat grass, idiota

TenQ:
The village clown is still quoting what he doesn't understand.

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?


To Mr Atheist :
"I've told you a million times!" means exactly that I told you 1,000,000 times.

"His eyes drank in the beauty of the scene." mean that one can drink with the eyes.

"I could eat a horse!" meaning, I could literally eat a full grown horse.

"The backpack weighed a ton." meaning that one the weighing scale it's weight was one tonne


Again:
Grief is tangible according to Webster Dictionary

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?

You are the official clown of the community of atheists if you don't give me the unit of measurement of Grief!

There are other definitions of tangible there including the one that said any entity that can be appraised is tangible, but u ignored it. R u this stupid

TenQ:
Atheists of Nairaland have all come to a conclusion that the following are tangible realities
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic

There was even one clown who says that Grief is tangible. His evidence is that Webster definition says
/Her Grief was tangible and he seem not to know that it is a figure of speech.


Who will deliver them from this Ignorance Induced shamelessness?

Cc:
Budaatum LordReed jaephoenix triplechoice

1. I didn't make the example of grief being tangible. MW did. So if you think they are clowns, please shoot them a mail. And please dont tell them you're a Nigerian cos they may assume all Nigerians are retards
2. I get the info that this thread is about spirits, so can you give the qualities of spirit
Thank you

StillDtruth:
And this is what proves you are a pathological liar.

C'mon that a child says "you are stupid" curse him and beat him, is it now when they sing is now when they sing "oblong head, go away" you will say nothing?

You are a big fat pathological liar!

Ok, if you don't believe me. I'm not a psycho like u or your god

TenQ:
When a person doesn't know what is a figure of speech and he thinks it is science

Can you measure your Grief?
Tell me, According to Webster dictionary, how many kilograms of Griefs is in your head?


What is the unit of measurement of Grief?

What is the tangibility in Grief?

Bro, please if you don't like dictionary definitions then don't bother using any dictionary at all. If you have beef with that definition, please write up Merriam Webster, Cambridge, Longman etc and explain to them that they are wrong
Thank you

StillDtruth:
"Grief is tangible". Hahahahahahahahaha

O atheists have become very entertaining these days! o my chest!

U r an ignoramus, so I won't take part in any discourse with u

TenQ:
Don't take me to the Atheists' DUMB definition of "Lacking a Belief in any Deity"!



The ONLY creatures who can TRULY lack a belief in any Deity are
1. Animals: For they lack the ability to comprehend the abstract nature of the definition of a deity
2. Babies: Due to immaturity of mind, they cannot even take any rational position about any deity
3. Imb.eciles: Just like babies cannot take any rational position about deities

Which of these three camps do you fall in with your LACK of BELIEF?


Lacking a Belief in an subject means:
You do not have ANY position for or against the subject.

Belief:
A Belief is a position we take when we do NOT have sufficient information to be 100% CERTAIN about a subject.

Examples of possible Beliefs
-Russia will win the war over Ukraine
-Third World war is inevitable within the next two years
-By Next month, $1.00 will be less than N600.00

What a rational person does before he takes a person of Belief is that he weighs PROBABILITY according to his judgment from available information he has if his position is worth holding or not.


The ONLY reason you bother to spend time on the Religious section of Nairaland is that you believe you have enough justification to DISCARD the Deity of the Christians and others!


Of course you don't think nor reason but swallow anything and everything godless people give to you as facts without question.
Sorry: How can Dawkins be wrong?

Please can you show me the dictionary meaning of the word atheism. I'm not bothered with any retard pulling definitions from his ass and expecting me to belief. I'm sorry, but I'll pass

TenQ:
Alright: for the first time I will ask on this thread

Because As a Medical Doctor, you say: "Must tangibility have physical features!?"
IS LIFE TANGIBLE?
How do you know?

There are many definitions for life, according to the MW Dictionary. But I'll assume u mean living. Now life/living is tangible. Why? Because it the culmination of breathing, having living cells working to keep you alive and prevent u from dying. And people that have this quality(live) are said to be alive and they do their regular everyday function because of this quality they possess, live. MW said any entity that can be appreciated is tangible.
So again, yes life is tangible

TenQ:
The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption that Everything REAL Must be TANGIBLE

First Some Definitions:
1. Real:
Things that EXIST are REAL : things that do NOT Exist are Imaginary or Virtual!
e.g. Your image in the mirror is virtual!
2. Tangible:
Anything that has either Mass or Dimensions (Length, Area or Volume) or Energy which can interact with time either by change in position or change in state.

Anything that is tangible can be described in terms of either its mass or Dimensions or Energy?

Photons and Gluons are mass-less objects and they do not even have spatial dimensions but they have measurable Energies: thus they are Tangible objects

Note:
All REAL things that are not tangible can only be known by the Effect they produce on other things that exist.

Examples of Real things that are NOT Tangible include
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic
6. Magnetic Fields,
7. Electric Fields,
8. Gravitational Fields

Finally,
There is a Huge Difference between Real objects that are NOT Tangible and the Medium by which their Existence can be monitored.
Every Non-Tangible REALITY can only be detected INDIRECTLY by the Effect they have on suitable mediums.


If you don't have problem of comprehending knowledge,
Answers to Questions from my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does this prove it doesn't exist?
Answer: NO!
Examples abound Like Life, Logic, Software, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Knowledge, Information etc

2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
Answer: Softwares within a machine are very real REAL

3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" DIRECTLY by any physical means?
Answer: NO! There is no physical means by which a software can be measured or quantified. Detection or Quantification can only be done Indirectly with Another Software.

4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
Answer: It is actually IGNORANCE that will make a person INSIST on physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist.

5. Tell me, how can one DIRECTLY prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?
Answer: It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to prove directly the existence of a software within the CPU or HDD or RAM of a computer without the use of another software.


Questions :
1. Do you as Atheists now concur that REALITIES Exist that are NOT TANGIBLE?
2. Do you as Atheists now concur that demanding for direct physical proof of Non-Tangible Realities is borne out of Ignorance?
3. Do you as Atheists now concur that visible Effects of Non-Tangible Realities on other real objects is a fair (indirect) proof of its existence?
i.e. Like the effects of Microsoft OS or Application program on a Computer is sufficient reason to believe that a software is operating within the Computer!
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?





LordReed, Budaatum, triplechoice, KnownUnknown, Jaephoenix, HopefulLandlord, Everyday247, Seun,

I have described tangibility for you as documented on the MW Dictionaries. If you don't like it, hug a transformer.
Please where does all these questions lead to? Whats your point?
Are you saying spirit is real or tangible?

TenQ:
The village clown is still quoting what he doesn't understand.

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?


To Mr Atheist :
"I've told you a million times!" means exactly that I told you 1,000,000 times.

"His eyes drank in the beauty of the scene." mean that one can drink with the eyes.

"I could eat a horse!" meaning, I could literally eat a full grown horse.

"The backpack weighed a ton." meaning that one the weighing scale it's weight was one tonne


Again:
Grief is tangible according to Webster Dictionary

I challenge you to give me the unit of measurement of grief?

You are the official clown of the community of atheists if you don't give me the unit of measurement of Grief!

Illitterate how many definitions did you see there?
Must tangibility have physical features

TenQ:
Stupid atheists don't know when a word is a figure of speech.

Can you measure Grief?
Tell me, According to Webster dictionary, how many kilograms of Griefs is in your head?
What is the unit of measurement of Grief?

Your ignorance amaze me!

Are you sure u r even literate?
It was clearly written in the definition that there are many instances of tangibility. There are up to 3 or 4 definitions but u chose only one definition and decided to run with it
Please get an education

TenQ:
All atheists are their own deity. By that definition, you are an Atheist!

And tovmake matters worse, u don't even know who an atheist is. Wonderful

TenQ:
And your royal Ignoramus doesn't know when "the tangible" is a figure of speech


//her grief was tangible

Is a grief tangible?

Mumu, where is the figure of speech usage here? U don't know logic, or even English. Any concept that has an approximate value is tangible. Figure of speech, my ass

tangible
1 of 2
adjective
tan·​gi·​ble ˈtan-jə-bəl
Synonyms of tangible
1
a
: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : PALPABLE
b
: substantially real : MATERIAL
2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
her grief was tangible
3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value

TenQ:
Caught in your own web of ignorance : show us the physical proof of mathematics.

Is 1+2=3 the proof of mathematics?

Again, please go online and check what tangibility means. Merriam Webster said any concept that can be appraised is tangible, and that includes math. Mathematics is tangible because we can actually utilize it in programming, architecture, even medicine. Are you really this dumb in real life?

TenQ:
This is not tangibility :

What is the shape or mass or energy of a software?

Anything that is tangible must have at least one of these three

Please when u read the definition of tangibility, reply me. Till then, I won't reply any of your tripe

TenQ:
In other words
1. Grief is Tangible
2. Grief can be Appraised by value.


Then everything and every emotion is tangible.

This is your brilliant conclusion!
SMH.


You see why you are a waste of precious time?

So you mean you are more intelligent than Merriam-Webster? Please answer this, dullard

Jashub:
Your opinion doesn't change the fact that He's still God and He will judge you

Tell him to suck a BBC

Jashub:
Actually Christians are loving . Which is why you're alive today . Try islam . You'll have a rethink

No christianity aint loving. Are you aware there are Christian terrorists?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nathaniel-veltman-muslim-family-canada-b1862845.html%3famp

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10576100701611288

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/16/wieambilla-shootings-australia-christian-terrorist-attack-queensland-police

https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

Also u probably haven't heard of the Great Crusades, witch trials, Huguenot wars etc. These conflicts killed millions of innocent folks.
My boss at where I worked earlier said he would torture and sack any atheists. If u want hate, just tell a Christian ur an atheist, and see what would happen. Their attitudes would change. My own wife said I should be hanged for being an atheist. U see many nairalanders here that would not hesitate to kill an atheist. Chief amongst them is Dtruthspeaker. Nigerians show each other hate never mind somebody who is different like an atheist.
Like I always say, there aint no hate worse than Christian love. U can take it to the bank.

TenQ:
I have not even once related software in a machine to soul or spirit. All I've been knocking into your thick skulls is that
1. There are REAL existences that are not TANGIBLE!
2. Anything that is TANGIBLE must have either a mass , a dimension or energy and can relate with time.
3. It is stupidity to require a Physical proof of that which is not tangible.
4. I gave other examples of INTANGIBLES that are nevertheless REAL
a. LOGIC
b. MATHEMATICS
c. INFORMATION
d. LIFE
5. Then I gave a challenge for you to find a physical means (measurement of mass, dimension, energy) by which you can measure these real intangibles like Software, Logic, Mathematica nd Information

Again my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist?
2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?



Unfortunately, all I see are confused shallow thinkers who do not know the difference between a MEDIUM to carry NON-TANGIBLES and the NON-TANGIBLE
Examples of Atheists
1. Mathematics is tangible because you can write it on paper
2. Life is Tangible because of the Effects it cases to living Beings
3. Logic is Tangible because we can write in in papers
4. Information is Tangible because we can write in in memo and we can transmit it by radio waves.
5. Softwares are tangible because the produce effects on the machine


How stupid can some educated people be?

CC: budaatum: jaephoenix: LordReed triplechoice:

Learn wisdom, not just talks!

I have come to the realization that either u are alexic or just plain stupid

I posted the definition of tangibility from merriam-webster, one of the most acceptable dictionaries and it clearly stated there that any concept/entity that can be appraised is tangible, but no, u won't read it but continue harassing us with ur dumbery. Thus words like mathematics, information are tangible