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TenQ:
But Soul have effects on the body such as Will, Emotion and Intellect.

Those characteristics are from the brain. I thought I have told you before . There are neurones that carry impulses from those parts of the brain through tracts and then respective destinations.
Nothing concern soul for here

TenQ:
Can you please at a cellular level give me the name and characteristics of the life in each cell that slowly ebbs away?

I am trying to learn biology from you!

Oxygen carried by blood is what keeps cells alive, thus OXYGEN IS LIFE. Once the heart stops, blood stops flowing, and cells are deprived of it and they start undergoing irreversible changes which end in them dying.
This is basic biology, but like most theists, its a problem for you to comprehend

StillDtruth:
And if they existed, they would have shown themselves

Has anyone ever shown themselves to u?

Aemmyjah:
The universe has a Cause
Yes or No?

Shebi I tell you Aemmyjah na dundee. How is this response related to the post

Aemmyjah:
1. Agnostic, Does the universe have a Cause or not?

2. Yo don't know but you want to argue

3. Ok na

What if I told you Allah created the world would you argue with me?
hopefulLandlord see the person u wanna engage. I have told him twice that I'm agnostic to the creation of the universe even though I'm an atheist to god/s, and this is all he can muster

The guy is denser than a wet brick

hopefulLandlord:
Aemmyjah read about William Lane Craig's "Kalam cosmological argument". Probably watched a few debates that some "atheist professor" went up against Craig and couldn't satisfactorily, according to Craig, dismantle the argument and felt hes finally gotten an eureka moment that would not only demolish atheism but also prove Christian god is actually real and true.
He however made one fatal mistake, he used the argument in a way that the "original" arguer, Craig, never intended it to be used. Craig, whenever he's making the argument always shy away from saying this is proof Christianity is true and says something like "This is just an argument for a generic god, not the Christian god" which means he's making th argument for "Deism" not even "Theism" let alone "Christianity". Craig wouldn't dare do that because he knows he would be demolished which is why he would then move to other arguments very fast. Infact Craig's only argument for Christianity is that "Christ rose from the dead because if he didn't then bla bla bla bla". Same Craig however was once asked a question by a debater saying "If it happens that we invent a time machine tomorrow and we go back in time on the so-called resurrection day and we wait but jesus doesn't come out of the tomb would he still believe Christianity is true"
Craig said he would still be a Christian regardless lol


I would've loved to debate a nairalander based on the arguments you copied and pasted asides the last part about it being the bible god but looking at your conclusion it won't take long before someone like you will expose the fact that you don't even understand enough the position you chose


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y-IbL-yLkk


That's video of WLC debating an actual Cosmologist using Kalam cosmological argument and you can see Craig seems like a fish out of water. Sean argument boils down to "Craig, you're not even knowledgeable enough to be labeled 'wrong'"

I'm sorry, u can't debate Aemmyjah. Dude is denser than they come. You'll just collapse out if his sheer retardation. Don't bother

Steep:
If the quality of energy is reducing (entropy) then the universe cannot have existed in an infinite time past else all the useful energy would have being wasted in infinite time past ago.

It means the universe definitely has a beginning.

No. Physical observables show no singularity from the infinite past to the infinite future. While the Universe is evolving, there is no beginning and no end—the Universe exists forever. Also NASA holds the same view and researches point to an infinite universe.
I'm not a physicist. So I'm just taking their researches.
Below is a Harvard research
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014PhRvD..90d3520W/abstract#:~:text=Physical%20observables%20show%20no%20singularity,end%E2%80%94the%20Universe%20exists%20forever.

TenQ:
I am using your preferred definition of Atheism dear:

Why is your position NOT Silence as you have not committed yourself to either believing or disbelieving?


Your Question:
If you ask me about the existence of shgdbrnen , I will not believe you because I HOLD a contrary opinion to that.

Meaning that I have committed myself to not believing your shgdbrnen because it goes contrary to my knowledge and experience.



Unlike you, Do you disbelieve in God because you Lack a Believe or you have come to a rational or emotional conclusion that God does not exist?

Please answer the question, then we can proceed. Thank you

TenQ:
Give me the link as I can't find it!

Cosmic Inflation is the event said to happen before BB. Here are links to some research. U can find the rest
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-what-existed-before-the-big-bang
https://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2022/03/033.html

MaxInDHouse:
Please i beg you to tell me what benefits is in your answer when people are killing people out there and you're doing nothing as in NOTHING at least to change the mindset of some among the killers?

Guy your knowledge is futile if it can't bring any positive effect on what is affecting people around you!

1. We are not talking about world peace here. Read the topic. You're fond of deflecting and derailing threads with your JW narrative especially whenever you're caught
2. So what is JW doing about the wars apart from sitting in their churches and groping kids?

Emusan:
How many evidence do you have that there's no God?



By who you or?



Which means you base your evidence on WHAT you are told and not your personal EVIDENCE.



We didn't, we said THE CREATOR INFORMED US.



Who concluded that it's illogical, filled with all kinds of lies and contradictions?



Story.



And you believe because you're present when it was being copied.



Says you or who?



Yes go on and present your EVIDENCE AS YOU CLAIM not just emotional talk.



We never tell you any story here but using the same SCIENCE, you're the one who started telling stories when no one asked you.

So focus on the OP and stop telling stories that you never asked.

1. He who alleges must provide proof. Its an old axiom. You allege there’s a god. Proof lies on you. If I tell you I have a red dragon living in my garage, the next question should be from you to me and that is 'prove it'. It shouldn't be from me to tell you to 'prove I don't have a red dragon in my garage'.
2. Scientists are still doing research on the origin of the universe. Also research on pre-Big Bang events are ongoing
3. I wasnt there at the beginning of the universe. Neither were u. So obviously we have to believe whatever we are told but it must be verifiable and logical.
Your book told stories that have been found to be lies. Simple
4. Your creator informed you through what? Email? Call? Sms? Lol. These guys are wonderful
Muslims would say the same thing. Same as Hindus. All claiming their creator told them. All the stories conflicting. So who should I believe?
5. Are you ready to discuss the contradictions and lies in the creation story? If yes, I would do a thread and tag u and other Christians, so u would know. Just tell me yes and I'll do it. Yes or no?
Please don't dodge

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Bible said there is an highly intelligent evil genius who is the god of faithless miscreants {2Corinthians 4:4} Jesus said this evil genius will brainwash billions so that you people will continue assuming you're using your brains but then with all your stubbornness you will never be able to reason along with your neighbours who is behind the killings going on in the world while you are going to kill and supporting the killing of your neighbours and your own relatives are also getting killed! Revelations 6:3-4

Try to figure it out first before concluding that you're using your brain wisely!

And once again, he dodges the main point here and veers off into more of his asinine and inane posts on JW. How is this related to the answer I gave?

TenQ:
No Sir,

One of your Illustrations you used was according to the Websters dictionary to prove that Grief is Tangible (even though I explained taya that it was a figure of speech to no avail)

/Her Grief was tangible

Please respond:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

1. I was the one that gave the definition from MW, not TripleChoice. Looks like we have knocked confusion into your brain.
2. And I have answered your question about soul. Its not tangible

TenQ:
Too bad!
Pearls are not given to pigs.

If you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.

Sorry, when you grow up in understanding

And the nigga dodged once again. Lol

triplechoice:
Please stop quoting me with your waywardness. Discuss the op,then I will answer you. I said I'm not an atheist and I have repeated that at different times here. Are you deaf or something?

Answer these below if you know what's spirit . Just focus on the op.

1. What's spirit?

2. What's the nature of spirit.?

3. How do you know it exist despite your believe it cannot be seen or measured physically ?

4. What's the relation or connection between spirit and the material world and yourself?

5. Clearly explain how spirit compares with a computer software.

Answer the above or ask your friend TenQ who claims to be an authority on spirits to answer it for you, and let's proceed on mature and sensible discussion,not this childishness from you.

The questions asked by TenQ are completely asinine as it as nothing to do with spirit or God described in the Bible. He should take his computer talk to the right section since he doesn't want to be honest. Your friend is lying about the true intention behind his questions and you're here defending and covering for him instead of condemning him of using deception to discuss God or spirits



Nobody has ever demanded for a direct physical quantification of a computer software before they buy it or install it in their machine,and that's because, even though
it can't be seen or touched, we know it exist as something that produces visible effects which anyone can see whether you believe in it or not

So it won't make sense to demand for physical quantification. But for spirit, the public doesn't know much about it . So it's wisdom to ask for some form of physical quantification to be certain it exist as real. Your friend is misapplying knowledge to fool people like you who refuses to think or question anything.

I already answered his questions ,and ask him some questions in return while doing so, but he has refused to respond in kind.

So why should continue ? Don't bother me if you can't get him to answer the questions I and others have been asking him . A teacher who's afraid to take questions from students doesn't know the subject very well.

Watch him dodge this question. He's busy asking me what happens to life

TenQ:
Life is Tangible?

So, when a person dies, can you explain where his Life goes?
Where is the location of Life in a human being?

I have done what you asked me to do, and it further exposed your ignorance. Now u r asking more questions.
Life is located inside all the cells in the body. When one dies, all the cells don't die immediately .Once the oxygen is cut off, they undergo autolysis and gradually die off. The life simply ebbs off.
If u say there is afterlife, its entirely up to u cos there is no evidence to that effect

TenQ:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?

Note: the effects of the soul on the body are
With our soul we feel emotions,
With our soul we have volition
With our soul we have intellect


I am using your logic now o!

Another display of poor grasp of basic scientific concepts.
Emotions, volition and intellect all emanate from the limbic system, frontal and parietal lobes respectively . And all in the brain. And all of them are experienced by animals, not just humans.
The soul is a concept that was put up by early man to explain those concepts but was discarded by science. Many scientists failed to prove them. An example was the 21 gram experiment

Theism is equal to illiteracy

Aemmyjah:
To be reading news on NL

Exactly. Imbecilic answers is what I get from u theists

TenQ:
I am actually learning from you: at least I have learnt that
1. Grief is Tangible
2. Life is Tangible

Can you describe the two for me in terms of their physical attributes?

Transfer your questions to MW. Thank you

CrossRhodes:
By your village people I guess...

A simple google search can straighten u out but no, u would rather stick to lies. Whatever rocks your boat…

TenQ:
I guess your knowledge of the theories of appearance of the physical world need a reviw


Tell me according to my thesis:
Was there matter in this physical universe before the big bang?


You don't know the answer!?

I just answered it. Are you sure your brain has rebooted this morning?

TenQ:
Aren't you fooling yourselves?:
If it is TRUE that your brand of Atheism is one that is unwilling to commit to an opinion about Deities , how come your position EVERY TIME on Nairaland is to OPPOSE anything and anyone who writes about God?

Why is your position NOT Silence as you have not committed yourself to either believing or disbelieving?

Are you mentally retarded? Seriously asking here.
Maybe if I use caps your brain can comprehend.
I AM AN ATHEIST TO GODS BUT AN AGNOSTIC TO CREATION
My position on gods/deities is atheism is because there is no single proof to their existence. An example. If I tell you shgdbrnen exists and it created the world, would you believe me, and why won't you?
Please answer the question and don't dodge

TenQ:
1. It is you who dodge answering questions because of its implications and not me.
2. The implication of "lacking knowledge" is that you are either
a. A Baby
b. An Animal
c. An Imbe.cile
d. An Ignorant person
e. Mentally sick

Tell me how a rational person can Lack any kind knowledge and not be in ONE of these five categories?

I'm going to repeat my lecture again on agnosticism. Cos it looks like us guys are basically cognitive impaired.


agnostic
1 of 2
noun
ag·​nos·​tic ag-ˈnä-stik əg-
Synonyms of agnostic
1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
political agnostics
agnostic

2 of 2
adjective
1
: of, relating to, or being an agnostic : involving or characterized by agnosticism
2
: NONCOMMITTAL, UNDOGMATIC
3
a
: not preferring a particular device or system —usually used after a noun
"Children are platform agnostic," said Alice Cahn, vice-president of development for Cartoon Network. "If you want to look foolish with a preschooler, say, 'Sorry, you can't watch that. It's not on.' It's TiVoed, it's online, it's on video on demand."
—Business Wire
b
: designed to be compatible with different devices (such as computers or smartphones) or operating systems —usually used after a noun
content that is OS agnostic
—often used in combination
The application is platform-agnostic, so it can work on your tablet or cell phone.

Now the above is from Merriam-Webster which describes basically what other dictionaries are saying.
One can simply have zero knowledge or views about certain topics. For example, I'm a physician. I may have zero knowledge about criminal law, so I'm agnostic towards it. Thus I wont tender any views or opinions on it.
Savvy?

Steep:
you seem to believe in an eternal universe. Do you know it is mathematically impossible to have an eternal universe? By the way the word energy is almost like an arbitrary word. You can't have energy without matter and time. Energy is not a thing, just like velocity or speed, they are not a thing.
2nd law of thermodynamics also goes against an eternal universe.
2nd law of thermodynamics means the universe must have a beginning, not just some state of energy that suddenly miraculously began to expand.

The second law of thermodynamics states that as energy is transferred or transformed, more and more of it is wasted.
Please how does this imply that the universe was created?
These theists are something else

TenQ:
Read my lips: I said

Tell me:
Was there matter in this physical universe before the big bang?

Yup. Maybe u need to read up the Big Bang and stop relying on your pastor for scientific knowledge like your fellow retarded theists

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you mentioned ATHEISTS but how is it that AGNOSTIC is the one answering?

Well he knew that from the look of things the atheists have lost in this area so he wants to hide under the canopy of AGNOSTICS where he could say "i'm not sure of what to believe whether God exists or not"

Sometimes i just laugh at them because Jehovah promised saying:

No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah! Isaiah 54:17

They must be SILENCED in whatever form they try to challenge the faith of true worshipers of God!

Lol. Another JW ignoramus putting up the ignorance banner. Since u guys have sworn not to learn, let me bring the knowledge to u.
Since like TenQ, definitions is a problem for you theists

agnostic
1 of 2
noun
ag·​nos·​tic ag-ˈnä-stik əg-
Synonyms of agnostic
1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
political agnostics
agnostic

2 of 2
adjective
1
: of, relating to, or being an agnostic : involving or characterized by agnosticism
2
: NONCOMMITTAL, UNDOGMATIC
3
a
: not preferring a particular device or system —usually used after a noun
"Children are platform agnostic," said Alice Cahn, vice-president of development for Cartoon Network. "If you want to look foolish with a preschooler, say, 'Sorry, you can't watch that. It's not on.' It's TiVoed, it's online, it's on video on demand."
—Business Wire
b
: designed to be compatible with different devices (such as computers or smartphones) or operating systems —usually used after a noun
content that is OS agnostic
—often used in combination
The application is platform-agnostic, so it can work on your tablet or cell phone.


The bolded definition is the one I'm talking about now, which is my opinion about creation, AND NOT MY OPINION ABOUT GOD/GODS.
Learn book, no. Use your brain, no.
Na wao

Aemmyjah:
1. Na u de shift post sir
2. You are an atheist, but suddenly an agnostic... Dodging a simple question
3. I did not mention any God or God's yet... You don't believe in any god or gods but you are now claiming agnostic

Why not let us agree that at least, the universe has a Cause?

1. Did your babble claim the world was created or not? This guy stop dodging
2. I say I'm agnostic to creation, meaning I don't know how the world was created. Its different from agnostic to gods(which is knowledge about gods). Agnosia is a Latin word meaning 'lack of knowledge'. It can mean be applied anywhere. There is what we call spatial agnosia(in medicine) which is a symptom that occurs when one doesn't know where he/she is. You JW guys should start imbibing higher knowledge. Your organization banning it is bringing down your IQ
3. Like TenQ again u r dodging the implications of your posts which is that your brand of god created the world

TenQ:
Scientists all agree that this physical universe had a beginning at about 13.8billion years ago. Even the James Web telescope new findings did not dispute this

Another bare faced lie from Nairaland's chief resident lie-nus.
The Big Bang was estimated to have happened about 13.8 b years ago. But what happens before it is still unknown to scientists. The Big Bang does NOT describe how the universe came by. One of the common misconceptions about the Big Bang model is that it fully explains the origin of the universe. However, the Big Bang model does not describe how energy, time, and space were caused, but rather it describes the emergence of the present universe from an ultra-dense and high-temperature initial state.
So no, Big Bang isnt the very beginning

Emusan:
Anytime you people get hook it's when you pull this prank.

You don't know yet you argue against it.

We aint hooked. We are driven by evidence. The creation/origin of the universe is still being unraveled. And no scientist would tell you they have concluded in it.
But u guys decide that u know how the earth is created. But despite the fact that the creation story is illogical, filled with all kinds of lies and contradictions, u still stick to it. Same with thousands of other creation stories that came before yours, and the ones that came after.
Not only that, the bible which is your source of creation story has been found to be flawed and in fact copied from ancient scrolls like Epic of Gilgamesh, Hammurabi Scrolls etc. Also the bible is replete with all sorts of bare-faced lies.
Also your creation story has been debunked by science and history.
Do I need to go on?
My point is your story doesn't hold water and lacks evidence.
Suck it up!

Aemmyjah:
1. Did I say created? Or has a beginning?
2. Your believe that the grand universe came from nothing or it always existed or has a Cause?
3. It is Amadioha na... Since you want assumptions

Give concrete evidence the universe does not have a Cause. If it has, who or what caused it? Nothing?

1. Stop dodging like TenQ. Your babble said the world was created
2. I'm agnostic. I dont know
3. Exactly. You have started dodging already. U said the universe was created by your god Yahweh. So gimme evidence he's the one, and you are here calling Amadioha. Who brought in Amadioha?
If you cannot give me proof its your god, then shut it, and end the thread

TenQ:
Do your concur that you Lack a belief in a Diety?

Yes

Aemmyjah:
We know what makes sense to atheists since they're the most intelligent folks on Earth
Life without purpose or meaning or reliable direction or hope

So why does the world exist, sir?