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Image123:
When you make the truth irrelevant, you are looking for lies. It's also called self deception. The dead(victims) are/were transferred. Nothing happens without His notice and permission. He knows the number of hairs on your head.

Oh, so they didn't die? They were 'transferred' ?
Whoa! I'm loving christianity more and more these days. I can wake up, form a notion and it automatically becomes my reality
So can I 'transfer' you, sire?

Jokerman:
1. Yahweh. El. I am who I am

2. God is the beginning and the end, the first and the last. No one created God. He created all things and set the universe in motion along with its laws.

3. There is only one God. Other entities are fallen angels (Satan, Poseidon, Ra, Etc) who proclaim to be, but are pseudo, and they go by many names. All the end of days, all will be judged by the one true God, the father of our Lord Jesus Christ and all believers world wide.

Like many Christians, fallacy flies in your face.
1. You ignored the part I said the Bible has been found to be a book of fairy tales
2. So why can't the universe exist without being created, since no one created such an intelligent god?

Imagine this
There is only one Flying Spaghetti Monster . Other entities are fallen angels (Yahweh, Satan, Poseidon, Ra, Etc) who proclaim to be, but are pseudo, and they go by many names. All the end of days, all will be judged by the one true Flying Spaghetti Monster

Does the above sound strange to you, and why?

jamuta:
...if you still have a spark of life in you, your spirit will bear witness that there exist a Spirit that is greater than all spirits who fills the whole interspaces of the universe of the universes. There's no doubt that God truly exists, even the God of your own understanding.

...if you still have a spark of life in you, your spirit will bear witness that there exist a Spirit that is greater than all spirits who fills the whole interspaces of the universe of the universes. There's no doubt that Flying Spaghetti Monster truly exists, even the Flying Spaghetti Monster of your own understanding

Jokerman:
Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

1. The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few

a. the Earth......its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

b. Water..... Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6


2. The universe had a start - what caused it

Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.


3. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

Did God design the laws of the universe - Photo of mathematical equations on a blackboard to illustrate the mathematical consistency of natural laws.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.


4. The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior

All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose.

Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do.

The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.


5. Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven.

Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you." This is God, in action

By Marilyn Adamson

https://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

Whoa. Impressive!
So bro lemme ask you this.
Such a diverse universe existed and (according to you) was created by a god.
1. Which god is it? Yahweh, Allah, Brahma? Jesus claimed whatever he is but his book, the Bible has been found to be fraught with many lies and contradictions. How do you know Jesus claims isn't one of the lies?
2. Such an intelligent god wouldn't just pop up on its own. So who created it?
3. How do you know its one god and not many? After all, your own god said 'let US create man… ' , he didn't say 'let me create man'

TenQ:
If i get you correctly, the Palestinians built the city of Jerusalem as the Jews are normadic people?

The Ottomans built modern Jerusalayim

TenQ:
Why do I open threads about Islam?

Because their Prophet told lies about the central core of my faith
1. Jesus did not die on the cross
2. Jesus is a Muslim
3. Salvation is not in Jesus as He didn't die for anyone's sins
4. A christian is Najis (unclean)
5. The Bible is corrupt and replaced by the Quran which is free from any iota of corruption
6. A Christian is a second -class citizen who must be made to pay Jizya (protection tax) to Muslims if he wants to live or convert to Islam
etc etc.

My duty is to expose Islam for what it truly is and I do not go to their islamic section to expose them.
Which one of them do you have problems with me upon?

1. You fail to get my point. I don't have problems with you spending the whole day wanking about Islam(even though both of you are wrong). My point is this. When I respond to Christian posts, many Christians (including the dude I quoted) say that I'm either tormented by Yahweh or I'm envious of Christians. And I point out that Christians too respond to Islamic posts, yet he won't say they are envious or have inferiority complex.
2. Both you and the Muslims can argue til tomorrow and there would be no winner. You know why? Cos none of y'all can provide verifiable evidence or proof

nairamaniac:
U seem to be a master of extrapolation, digressions and counterproductive accusations. As if you are looking for someone else to blame for your choices in life.

U would have to look in other people to get what you need from me.

Also me and you can do this for the next 20years of our lives or until nairaland comes to an end.
I said "deal with them". I never suggested a method you should utilize in dealing with them.

It could be dealing with them same way you are dealing with nairalanders here without violence or stuffs that would warrant your incarceration.

And you seem to have a skill to transfer accusations from one person to another innocent person.

In that your post you mentioned about people around you cashing road blocks and disturbing you with their religion.

In that same post you now counter-accused me of being the one with inferiority-complex.


Was I the one that blocked the way to your house with my religion?

No, I'm not.


But you jump on other people here whoever credits his own almighty God and the bible.

Meanwhile they are hardly/never the first to enthusiastically chatise you for worshipping your Tea-kettle in your kitchen.


What does that tell you?

You are the one that suffers from inferiority-complex.

QED....

What is the common denominator of those causing roadblocks, harassing me at night, and accusing me of having hard-ons about yahweh here? They are all Christians! So its not wrong to extrapolate here.
I have answered you here how your fellow christians are hounding muslims all over Nairaland

Emusan:
Your stupidity is second to none.

You made a rebuttal to a question thrown to you, yet claiming to be intelligent than people.

Go back to my post you quoted and see if you made any rebuttal. Oponu.

Idi@tic bastaa@rd, this is your question/post

I've used both brand new and old tires for long journey.

The truth is, I never place my hope on any.

Now, answer my question, can a brand new tire burst?

And I answered your question by telling you yes brand new tires can burst but old ones are much more probable to blowout. You even claim you'd use old tires for a long journey. Do you have a brain? How can you use old tires?

wirinet:
Yes the Israelites were a nomadic tribe just like any nomadic tribe suffering desert encroachment. The move around looking for more favourable lands to graze their animals.

A typical apology in west Africa are the Fulanis. Desert encroachment is bringing them to southern Nigeria, where they fight to displace people from their lands in order to graze their cows.


That's fact from the perspective of the authors - the Israelites. If the Palestinians had written their own facts, it would have been different and favourable to the Palestinians. The Israelites had stable kingdoms with powerful kinds who instructed scribes to keep record - both actual and fictional. The Palestinians never had a stable kingdom.


No record whatsoever that the Israelites were ever held captive in Egypt. No records whatsoever of an Israelite called Jacob ever becoming prime minister in Egypt. It's even a paradox that a slave became the prime minister his slave masters.

The Egyptians were excellent record keepers just like the Romans, they have records of all their Pharoahs spanning over 4,000 years. Joseph did not appear in any Egyptian hieroglyphic.



The Christian religion is a charade build by the dying Roman empire to unify and controll the empire under a common set of beliefs and laws.

The Europeans later employed it to kill the religion and customs of lands they conquered and bring the people under its control.

Watch him quote more of the fairy tales to back his fairy tales. Lol

wirinet:
Sorry to but in, but I fund this statement puzzling.
Why will you feel empty without a religious figure (mythical or real), that supposedly was killed by his people over 2000 years ago?

Is that not sort of a deeper psychological problem?

No be juju?!
Just like a junkie telling a normal person he (junkie) feels empty without his fix that the normal person needs some of the fix

nairamaniac:
https://www.nairaland.com/7877591/nigeria-2nd-most-prayerful-country/13#126462478

Above was when you got you first HardOn, immediately the satellite around your Di#k messaged you that some on nairaland was talking about prayers.


https://www.nairaland.com/post/126462478
This one above was when you just had to unzip your trousers


https://www.nairaland.com/7877591/nigeria-2nd-most-prayerful-country/14#126502446
Then you just cudnt handle the urge that comes with your high libido.
You have to self-service it all out as from this third reaction.


Did you notice that I haven't even bothered to ask what you believe in or what you don't believe in?

Cos I'm not in a competition/comparison with you.


But you are soooo much In that with me and sooo many God believers in here.


Sir! Go and meet those your local neighbours and address them. If you like you bottle break their heads and tell police that it's me that sent you.

Or better still "go and hustle and make some money to afford a more convenient and lawful area where such disturbances don't happen".

This is just plain funny!
So replying someone in a religious thread is now being disturbed by their god?
Going by this analogy, Christians are truly disturbed by allah judging by the way they flood Muslim threads so much to masturbate there. In fact, Seun had to introduce a pledge to deter christians from wanking there, still they took the pledge and continued to troop there. Even here in the general religious group, Christians like TenQ, AdvocateJare and 5 others constantly open threads about Islam.
Allah is truly the greatest for troubling these christians

blueAgent:
What has red dragon,got to do with what we are arguing?
Believing in the spiritual, does not mean that i have to be paranoid.

Like I said, no bush beating. Please
It has 100% to do with our discourse. So just answer it sire

Myer:
I wish you'd open a thread concerning these.
Some of these questions have been raised and addressed here already but it's always good to raise them for new understanding.

1. Israelites just like in the bible seem to be nomadic in nature. Since Abraham, isaac and Jacob/Israel.
The ongoing war between Palestine/Philistine and Israel is the same one that was documemt in the bible. So you can see that the Bible is in fact an historical book of facts.

Jacob and the whole of Israel left Canaan for Egypt during the great famine at the behest of his son Joseph who was then the Prime Minister of Egypt.
Unfortunately when the Pharoah and a generation died, subsequent Pharoah enslaved them. And for 400 (430) years as prophesied they were enslaved.
It took another 40 years (a generation) for them to return from Egypt to Canaan which had them been inhabited by other tribes. This marked the beginning of the wars. The reason God allowed this is also detailed in the bible.

2. Every religion can be a charade but God isn't.
When you encounter God, He leads you to the Truth.

1. Oh yeah I raised a thread about it. Its on its 45 pages now.
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
And yet no Christian offered plausible explanation. I have seen a similar thread too but not a Christian explanation.
2. Whoa! You're a natural beauty!
You ignored the part of my post that states that the present Israelis aren't even the same ones in the Bible. Lol. You didn't even bother to research to know if its true. You ignored it and spewed more bible fairy tales. If this aint brainwashing, then I don't know what it is.

nairamaniac:
I never profiled you and I never profiled anyone based on his believes.

But you profile anyone and everyone that mentions God on this forum.

Funny thing is that I live&relate perfectly with aetist as I do with my similar believers.

Just so you know I personally feel there are some inconsistences in the Bible. But that doesn'take me strike all the pages in it all out.

I wdnt allow aetists or gays or any sect with fewer population be in any mess.

It's not my kind of character.

Do you have any evidence I profiled christians, or any theists here. See, I'm tired of being wrongly accused by Christians here. The other time Aemmyjah said I said I'm selfish. One other said I said I love anarchy.
When the inconsistencies become outright lies, not once, not twice but many times, then at a point I'll have to question my belief especially when the said book is touted as the word of an eternal being who is infallible

nairamaniac:
So this is where you ran to?

I thot you had stamina and endurance for back and forth gbas gbos?


We would have done this till the end of Nairaland's existence.


U are everywhere setting conversation-traps for believers of their own God.

Then when they fall into your trap, you want to pretend as if the conversation started naturally.

We know your type. You have serious inferiority complex issues.

And it feels Soo lonely not having lots of artists around you.

You are freaking bored and lonely most times.
Makes you want to engage others from other religious beliefs.


It's a psychological problem that may lead to mental problems last last.

You ignored my question and vented a completely cretarded post.
I don't remember my convo with you. Please remind me. And no have no control over where or who I converse with. And if you say I have inferiority complex, no problem. Whatever rocks your sweet boat, sir. Of course there's not much atheists in Nigeria, if there were we wouldn't be in this mess.
Imagine a psychopath projecting his psychosis on a normal person. Lol

Image123:
Dead people have been transferred out of earth to face life beyond death, which is 'eternal'.

Irrelevant.
Lemme rephrase.
You said the survivors were saved by Yahweh. Obviously the victims were ignored by him then, isn't it?

Image123:
Real cool.
Mat 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

'Blessings' are not only conditioned on prayers; in fact, they are hardly conditioned on prayers but on obedience and following laid-down laws and principles.

The plot gets thicker
This one says blessings are based on obedience and following principles. So who are blessed atheists obeying and whose principles are they following?

Emusan:
This was my previous post

"New tyres can blow out. That's settled!

So, what is the problem you have with my initial post in the first place?"

And I made a rebuttal, if you are given a choice of old and new tires, which would you use, and you replied both. So you would use old and new tires in a vehicle you wanna use for a journey, even though everyone (except you) knows its riskier using old tires. I don't even understand how you breathe. Just because you wanna make a stupid point

ANormalHuman:
Nothing to explain there...

Those who are right with God enjoy more stuff from Him, and suffer more stuff because of Him than the average person...

Meaning christians enjoy more wealth, health, prosperity etc and suffer more sickness, poverty etc than atheists?
Really? How does this make sense, genius?

Emusan:
Says the person who can't even construct proper English.



New tyres can blow out. That's settled!

So, what is the problem you have with my initial post in the first place?

1. My grammar is way better than yours
2. Going by this analogy of new tires still having chances of blowouts, then that means you would rather see a vulcanizer if you have acute appendicitis than a doctor, since doctors do make mistakes. Isn't it?

Image123:
Nope, they were transferred.

Huh? Whadya mean

Image123:
It's a book of the Bible that clearly shows you benefitting from God's mercies.

Oh cool. So even atheists that don't pray benefit from Yahweh. Answer below questions
1. How come Yahweh blesses atheists more than christians evidenced by atheistic countries being more successful than christians in Nigeria.
2. If Yahweh blesses everyone, even those that don't pray to him, THEN WHY DO CHRISTIANS PRAY? I have asked this question, but all I get is gibberish. So lemme hear your own version

Image123:
ALL.

So that means the many victims of road traffic accidents were ignored by yahweh?

Emusan:
You haven't.



because you know you've not answered my question that's why you're just preambulating.

My question is a simple Yes or No.

Ok. Lemme explain. Since English language is a handicap for you.
I said
So you would take an old tire even though it's well known that they are prone to blowouts much more than brand new?
In this sentence, I have agreed that both new and old tires can blowout but old ones are very much liable to cause accidents than a relatively newer tire. This is obvious to everyone, except you.

Emusan:
You haven't even answered my simple question since, just beating about the bush.

Mr teacher of logic and science

I answered your question, and more.
So please when someone tells you something happens much more than other, what does it mean?

dinomcjohn:
You must be very stupid to say I was mouthing meaningless praise. Do you know who I'm praising? Who are you to say this nonsense? Don't allow God punish you and condemn you forever. I advise you. Never go against anyone praising God, the Creator of the universe. Yes God deserves our praise forever.

Now, the picture here is the condition of my vehicle after the accident. How could I have driven a car in this condition. I thought you should have reasoned well. My vehicle was in a sound condition before it happened. My tyres were fine. The extra would never have been used if there was another option. We were in the middle of the journey. A new tyre was unavailable. And I said it before that I have learnt my lessons. No one is perfect. Accidents happen to vehicles in perfect condition and people perish therein. Accidents happen to vehicles with brand new tyres. Again, all 4 tyres were fine except the extra which in all honesty I wanted to change. I ordered two but only one was brought. No one is above mistakes. God remains God in spite of our imperfections.

I wouldn't have been angry if you had advised me. However, never in your life go against my praise to God. Don't get God angry . Be warned. Something of this nature happened, I'm giving praise to God and you dare say these words. Be warned. God is seeing all we are typing.


Again and again. I give all praise, thanks and Glory to God Almighty. Nothing will stop the praise of God. Amen

I want to make this your god angry but it seems the mothafucker is scared of me. Time after time I have told him to such a dicck but he is too scared to act. Several chrissies have rained thunder, fire and death on me on behalf of yahweh but I'm even getting healthier and more prosperous. Is that all he's got? Please tell him I'm bored of people like you thinking he exists.
Thank you

Emusan:
See the Mr smartest one

You asked question and you claimed you answered my question.

Is that how smart people do?




When they think they are the most intelligent and smart one on earth, meanwhile they are the most dull and unintelligent one.



So using new tyres don't mean your tyres can't blow out.

That is the key point.

What do you understand by the statement ' much more ' ?
So now I have to teach you English too apart from teaching you logic and science

Image123:
You are an example, you should be dead my now if you weren't according to Lamentations.

Care to expatiate? I don't understand what Lamentations got to do with me

Image123:
As obviously foolish as saying that everyone who passed read diligently for the test, and everyone who failed didn't read diligently.

So how do you know the survivors that were saved by yahweh?

ANormalHuman:
The funny reality that God is kind to both just and unjust... To different extents.

I was expecting to hear this.
So can you explain the bolded

blueAgent:
That's what I have been saying.

You can judge what you have, no Knowledge or experience about.

If You have not seen or experienced such things, does not mean it does exist ,myself and millions have.

Ok, answer this question with a yes or no.
Do you believe there is a red dragon circling on your head right now. And explain your answer.
Please I need a yes or no. No long statement or bush beating.
Thank you

nairamaniac:
What you should do is find those particular people in your compound or next door that did all these very terrible things to you and deal with them.

Why avoid them and start picking on distant unknown innocent believers of the almighty God who I believe in?

You have lied. You have been bothered about my God from the very first few post I mentioned Him in this thread.

Your sensitivity to our God is directly proportional to our belief in Him.



As regards the correlation of science to God you try hard to hold against me.


Yeah I mentioned God when needed.

And science wen needed.


God created the earth and all scientific reactions that takes place in it are all as a result of the world he allowed to become after the first Sin committed on Earth.

You can worship your Ogun and Frying pan if u want to, I can never bother you.


But don't show traits of envy when others worship their own God.

1.… and if you hear in the news or Nairaland that an atheist beat up his neighbors disturbing him in the mornings, you'll be the first christian spewing trash that such atheist is just disturbed and envious of those Christians serving their god. This is not new. Na una way.
2. Please can you show me screenshot of the specific post I was disturbed about your god, and how I am sensitive or believe in such a god. Thank you
3. Again, asking you to give evidence of your favorite god creating the earth would lead to a dead end. So no need to continue on that particular thread of discourse