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Aemmyjah:
Ur comments are well read and ignored
Nice try

Translation
I don't know how to answer the question. So let me dodge it and pretend its a foolish question

budaatum:
Show me just one of those "everyone".

That should be easy enough.

Dude, this is Dtruthspeaker. Dumbest theist alive. He doesn't care about evidence or logic but is forever waxing lyrical about showing them

Dtruthspeaker:
This case shows how illogical you are.
https://www.nairaland.com/7671858/mason-dark-tiktok-challenge-leaves#122838570

Dtruthspeaker? Talking about logic?
The world is truly coming to an end

Dtruthspeaker:
Fallacy! No one asked you



Tu quoque Fallacy! Go and find it learn how to give a valid answer.

… and no one asked for your opinion

Aemmyjah:
The forum is for you to be asking me stupid questions when you have never dropped anything significant and to drop overly negative and critical views on topics. Keep seeking relevance

You opened a thread in an online forum asserting a claim(however nebulous). Someone asks a question pertaining to your claim. Now instead of answering you decide to say the question is stupvd without saying the reason why. Does that make sense? Imagine if we all had ignored your thread saying its stupvd without providing reasons why, would you like it?

Aemmyjah:
Did I say that?
That people in all cultures and parts of the world give worship or devotion to someone or something gives evidence to a reality that God exists. Read my second point again on spiritual need

Are you listening to yourself?
They give credit to their own god, not yours. And they also believe your own god doesn't exist

Aemmyjah:
What evidence is there that life and earth arose by chaos?
I have eyes. It was designed for sight
I have a brain
I have ears, hands fingers, systems and organs and cells with their diverse functions and design but they work harmoniously. Who made them?


A doll may have eyes, head ears, hands, belly button 😂 but they don't even work. Yet, no one says dolls could emerge from nowhere. Hiw much the complex cell, tissue, organs, body, earth, universe?

It takes more 'faith' that all these things could emerge by chance. That kind of 'faith' is called mumu faith. The type that a poor man in a jungle of Africa would think can happen when he keeps a clay pot under his bed and expect it to be filled with dollar coins overnight. It won't happen overnight or even in a thousand years but that imagination is more reasonable and possible than to imagine life emerging by chance 😕

But you believe humans were made from clay and women came from ribs

Dtruthspeaker:
In otherwords people recognise that a Greater Being owns and created the world, even if children of devils refuse to acknowledge Him like stupid tenants to their Land Lord.

So who created this 'Greater Being'?

Aemmyjah:
Even before the Bible came
Even in places where people have never heard or seen a Bible
They give credit and worship to one who they were convinced was the maker of the universe, life and the earth... Evidence number 2

Those were the days when science was primitive and humans didn’t know how rain, thunder, humans etc were formed. Now we know all those, nobody goes around looking for who to worship

Aemmyjah:
Does God Exist?
The Bible’s answer
Yes, the Bible provides compelling evidence that God exists. It encourages us to build faith in God, not by blindly believing religious assertions, but by using our “power of reason” and “mental perception.” (Romans 12:1; 1 John 5:​20, footnote) Consider the following lines of reasoning based on the Bible:

1. The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator. The Bible says: “Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4) Although this logic is simple, many well-educated people find it to be powerful. For example, the late astronomer Allan Sandage once said regarding the universe: “I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery, but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”

2. As humans, we have an innate desire to understand the meaning and purpose of life, a type of hunger that can remain after our physical needs have been met. This is part of what the Bible calls our “spiritual need,” which includes the desire to know and worship God. (Matthew 5:3; Revelation 4:​11) This spiritual need not only gives evidence that God exists but also indicates that he is a loving Creator who wants us to satisfy that need.​—Matthew 4:4.

3. Detailed prophecies in the Bible were written centuries ahead of time and came true exactly as predicted. The accuracy and detail of those predictions strongly suggest that they came from a superhuman source.​—2 Peter 1:​21.

4. Bible writers had scientific knowledge that was beyond the understanding of their contemporaries. For example, in ancient times many peoples believed that the earth was supported by an animal, such as an elephant, a boar, or an ox. In contrast, the Bible says that God is “suspending the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) Similarly, the Bible correctly describes the shape of the earth as a “sphere,” or “globe.” (Isaiah 40:22, footnote; Douay Version) Many people feel that the most reasonable explanation for such advanced understanding is that Bible writers received their information from God.

5. The Bible answers many difficult questions, the type of questions that when not satisfactorily answered can lead a person to atheism. For example: If God is loving and all-powerful, why is there suffering and evil in the world? Why is religion so often an influence for bad rather than for good?​—Titus 1:​16.

***For example, the late astronomer Allan Sandage once said regarding the universe: “I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery, but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”

©https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/does-god-exist/

1. Have you seen an orderly universe to compare to this one?
2. No. I don't have any 'innate' desire to know the meaning of life. We are all destined to be worm fodder. That's about the size of it
3. Which specific Bible prophecy came true? Name one.
4. I guess you didn't read my thread about the bible gaffes. So many of them.
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
One section of the gaffes was about the scientific errors littered in the Bible. Do give it a read
5. Which question did the Bible answer?

I have my own question
1. Who created Yahweh?
2. Why did he create an imperfect human knowing that we are imperfect, and still ignored us?
3. Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Do you now understand your all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go?

Dtruthspeaker:
Says a person seeking people to join him in wasting his mind thinking about stupid unprofitable things.

Same way you christians open countless threads here, trying to make people join in your stupidly

Dtruthspeaker:
Repeating yourself shows its not true and you have nothing but a big fallacy.



According to us, God is God and we don't care where He comes from nor do we see any one contesting ownership of this world with Him! End of story.



Obviously your usual stupid madness has begun



Invalid! No one asked you to.

1. I wasnt repeating myself, I was explaining why the bible is fairy tales. Look through history. Those bible events weren't captured. You can check yourself
2. According to me, the universe is the universe, and I don't give a rats ass. No god created it
3. Invalid. No one also told you talk about your own god

Jokerman:
1. I have proof. Me as a sentient being, is proof that my God exist. I'm not made accidentally or appear from the big bang

2. God, Yahweh, Is the owner of all things.... The universe and whatever... He is the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and the end.

3. What is your proof of the flying spaghetti monster??

1. I have proof. Me as a sentient being, is proof that my Flying Spaghetti Monster exist. I'm not made accidentally or appear from the big bang
2. So what did Yahweh make the universe from? Thin air?
3. I have proof. Me as a sentient being, is proof that my Flying Spaghetti Monster exist. I'm not made accidentally or appear from the big bang

Makes sense, no?

JagabanB:
I am an outsider in the medical, but I am an insider as long as this issue is concerned.
The law didn't make provisions for the excuses u are giving and these excuses don't show professionalism on ur part and the part of ur hospital.
Why don't u have contact of police in ur neighborhood?
U delayed the report, what u are saying now is what u should have gone with them to explain initially instead of turning them down.
They don't know these things u are saying until you tell them, same way I don't know it and u are telling me now.
Explain yourself first before going on the offensive, that's how a society should work.
I have had so many fracas with police and military alike.
Even at check points, I do what's necessary, I don't overstep my boundaries and u don't overstep yours and we are good to go.
The law says 2 hours within treatment, u didn't report with that 2 hours what prevented u from going with them when they came initially?
Let's all do what we are supposed to do, that's only when the social order will be maintained, it's not about hospital dynamics, this is about the law.

My primary obligation is the patients, not the police. I just told you that those police numbers don't work? You can choose to ignore that part

JagabanB:
"Bail is free" which is true, except maybe when court grant u bail on certain terms.
Now let me tell u a story, a young man was coming out from his shop, he was closing up by 8pm, he owns a big grocery store (super market), the police parked their van, waited for him to lock up and arrested him.
He was begging them in the vehicle, according to him, he saw a man, one of the staffs working in a particular office (I don't want to specify) in the van also, he was begging them in the vehicle, they parked their vehicle close to their station and one of them came to him pretending to do him a favor and asked him how much he has, that night he was with 15k in his pockets because he already paid his money to the POS earlier in the evening, he begged them with the 15k and the officer told him, the moment u drop from ur vehicle, start running and don't look back.
He jumped down from d Hilux and ran, this is a man in his thirties telling me this story.
Now, why will u do that?
What if they shot u in the process of running?
Why will u give them 15k?
He has a CCTV in front of his shop that clearly captured the whole incident so why was he scared?
Problems like this, can't be solved by IGP or commissioner of police, ENDSARS harrasment stopped because the citizens had enough.
I was watching on TV yesterday when a senior police officer in Ghana was addressing same issues about what their lower ranked officers do and they need cooperation from the masses to help end those stuffs.
For this particular issue, the police has done what they can do, the only thing they can enforce is when a police officer harass a hospital or doctor for treating a patient shot or stabbed without medical report then the hospital and doctor will bring out and the police officer will be duly dealth with, if a doctor or hospital rejects such a patient because of lack of medical report, then the family of the victim should do the needful by slamming that hospital or doctor with a law suit.
That's what I am saying, police can't mount the hospital to enforce this.
Even having this conversation is part of addressing that issue, having this discussion on a bigger platform like TV is another way of enlightening the public and this menace will stop, IGP talking about it, is another way.
People should be made aware of their legal rights.
Many people in Nigeria live in ignorance and cry that there's no law and order.
We are so used to lawlessness that to enforce law and order is abnormal to us.

If an american is saying this, I'd forgive him. But a nigerian making this claim is funny. Have you accosted an officer wielding a gun and he'll tell you that he'll shoot you and nothing would happen? I guess you have. Do you think he's playing? Lol. Imagine!

JagabanB:
No matter how small a hospital is, with this law in place, it is the responsibility of every hospital to have the functioning contacts of police within their vicinity.
If everybody does everything right, the social order will be maintained, in this case, ur hospital is the one who didn't do it right not the police, on every front u didn't do it right, they came for u to go with them to the station, u refused, this is u not doing it right.
I know when to blame the police and I know when I don't have to blame them.

Did you also read in my previous posts where I said those police hotline numbers are useless? Or you wanna blow hot air?

JagabanB:
We have finally come to an agreement and the agreement is that u folks are busy using the police to cover for ur negligence, ur explanation above has clearly shown that ur interests are the reason why u turn away patients from hospital and the convenient to do is blame the police.
Of course I am ignorant, I can't say I am well versed with hospital laws, if u are so competent and ready to serve like u folks always claim and blame the police, u will not reject a patient that's bleeding to death simply because he doesn't have a school ID, but u all prefer the patient to bleed to death because u are more interested in the finances and u all come back to blame the police.
The law I know 100% is this, the police can't harass u simply because u treated a patient with gunshot wound or stab, it can't happen unless u refused to notify them.
U folks are simply being irresponsible because u haven't met someone who knows himself so much to slam u with a law suit.

I know you're literate so I guess you read the part where I said docs don't make laws. And such laws mandate us not to treat patients without ID. Please take off your hate tinted glasses and read slowly

Cmanforall:
Forget it. You will not win anything, especially from private hospitals.

Do you know their specialty?
You think because it is 'a hospital', then any case will be treated there? Do you know about their facilities?

I say again, go to government hospitals, especially if you are thinking of heading to court later, not privately, because you will lose.
What the private hospitals may do if they don't want to treat the gunshot patient is to refer to a government hospital (they give you a letter, and that is it). Then you have wasted your time there and if unfortunately something bad happens and you head to court, just tell me how you will win

The guy loves hearing the sound of his own voice. He doesn't understand the dynamics of medical care.
If you take a gunshot victim who is bleeding profusely to a cottage hospital with no blood facility , the doc has the power to refer immediately. Keeping the patient is counterproductive and at that point the hospital can be sued if the patient dies.

JagabanB:
The issue here is not accident victims, it's stab and gunshot, it's good u are aware that hospitals reject accident victims too which basically doesn't involve the police.
This is a law passed by the Senate, a hospital not doing it is breaking the law and u are letting them get away.
Treat a gunshot wound or stabbed wound patient and report the incident within 2 hours to the police, with that, no police has any right to harass the hospital or doctor, everything is settled.
The reason why is because many medical personnels here don't want to be responsible.
I have been in a hospital where a patient injected with poison was in emergency ward, there's this drug the doctor was supposed to put in his drip, he kept it on his table and started pressing his system, I heard the nurse telling him that's the drug for the guy in emergency ward and casually replied that he knows and he continued handling with his device.
He knows if the guy dies, nothing will come out of it, that's exactly what they do during gunshot and stabbed wound.
A young lady died, do u know what killed her, a wrong operation was carried out on her so side effects started manifesting and she was struggling to heal, when the doctors came to do round ward checking, the mother complained and they replied her angrily that she should be happy her daughter is still alive, they booked her for operation, a correction operation and she died before the next day.
And the family took her for burial and case closed, if that doctor and hospital were hit with a law suit, they will change.

Ignorance like this is unbelievable!
I don't want to defending people cos I wasn't there but do you have an idea of the diagnosis? No. And I don't know but I have an idea what it is. In my experience, I found out patient narratives are always tinged with falsehood. And I take both sides of an argument

Cmanforall:
Not in Nigeria

You cannot win this case if it involves a private hospital


Gunshot wounds should think of government hospital first. Hopefully they won't be on strike.

The people that are shouting 'Hospitals must treat gunshot victims' including IG, who is taking up the bills? Do they do the manpower, blood transfusion, surgical procedure costs involved? This people are something else

JagabanB:
Suing is medicine after death that will prevent another death.
This law has been passed by the Senate.
Medical doctors watched it on TV, they saw it, they know it, they are aware of it.
If they are learned, why waiting to be begged before enforcing it?
We look at it from this perspective, the immigration comptroller said passport is not more 20k or something of that nature I can't really remember the exact figure and he even went ahead to emphasize that any Nigerian who experiences otherwise should report, what did Nigerians say?
They don't have time for that, a society grows only when laws that are passed are followed by citizens.
Last year around October, I took a young man to the man hospital, thieves raided his apartment and stabbed him, the hospital didn't reject us, they treated him and we duly informed the police which came, asked us a few questions, checked out his house and documented it, they even investigated to check the thieves (although nothing came out of that investigation).
Medical personnels in Nigeria are highly irresponsible, that's a fact that we are not putting into consideration.
I was in the hospital last week, people were sitting to see doctors in consultation rooms, the doctors were just moving around pressing their phones, people were sitting and waiting and their files were held by nurse simply because according to the nurse, the numbers are not yet enough to split them to meet doctors.
U must have seen incidents where doctors turned down treating accident victims because they don't have a hospital card, in the case of a student because they don't have school ID on them and they will only start treatment when card is gotten or ID is brought.
U must have seen these scenario alot.
The law covers the medical personnel, there's no excuse for not treating patient, Nigerians don't leverage on what the law offers them.
That's why so many of these nonsense keeps happening.

You are further exposing your ignorance of hospital dynamics.
1. Imagine a hospital treating patients without ID. In a school environment. Are you aware there is a standing order not to treat patients without IDs because outsiders masquerade as patients just to get free treatment? So take your issue to the school senate who made such laws. Doctors dont make laws we only obey them. When the consequences of disobeying them comes, you'll be nowhere to be.
2. My hospital render help to patients without cards but there are many hospitals that don't do that. Why? Many if such patients receive the care ad refuse to pay once well. I can't count the number of stab wounds that leave the hospital and refuse payments after getting better. In the end, the hospital has to surcharge the poor front desk Officer who brought their cards to the doctor. If you own the hospital what would you do? Its okay running your mouth from outside

JagabanB:
You are looking at this from another perspective, are you also aware that u can reject a patient that's simply a victim of armed robbery and he can die?
I read a news where a young man was shot in the early hours of Thursday and University of Ibadan teaching hospital rejected him, on going round Ibadan that night, he died, that Saturday was supposed to be his wedding.
The law says a hospital should report stabbing and gun shot wound to the police within 2 hours of treatment.
I am also aware that criminals can invade a hospital especially if it was cult clash to disrupt the hospital, but does this mean innocent people should continue to die?

This case of cultists invading and threatening medical personnel is common. They bring in a dying or dead colleague and tell the doc their colleague must not die no matter what. Happens in UPTH Port Harcourt regularly.

JagabanB:
So u work in a hospital that don't have any other staff apart from u the doctor on night duty?
U work in a hospital that can't reach out to the police station?
The big is, how did the police find out that you treated a patient that was stabbed by 7am?
The law is written that you should notify the police within 2 hours of treating a gunshot wound or stabbed patient, did u notify them?
There's a popular teaching by Confucius, it says "let the ruler rule as he should, let the minister be a minister as he should, let the father be a father as he should, let the son be a son as he should, only then will the social order be sustained".
The police force is fiIIed illiterates who thinks flexing muscles makes them important, I am not disputing that, the big question here is, did u behave the way u are supposed to behave?
If u contacted them within two hours, would they have the right to come and tell u anything?
If u had followed the time they came, would they have come back with armed police men?

Patient was brought in by 11pm. Passed on circa 12am. That is a small hospital, the name is Anume Hospital, Eleme. Year circa 2008. The only staff on duty then was myself and 2 nurses, and a cleaner. All of us were busy with this patient. Plus the hospital was chock full with cases. Also police hotline numbers are useless. You and I know that. So what did you expect me to do? Mind you I wanted to report the case as I'm leaving duty by 8am when another doc is already around

YoungBlackRico:
People like you with this kind of reasoning and mentality is the reason this country will never witness any growth. In saner climes, first aid/treatment is given first. In USA, even if na police shoot you themselves and the intention was not to kill, if you're lucky not to die, the first line of action is how to safe your life.

The US have a police department that works. Ours is interested in harassing citizens

Rebelutionary:
Neither you nor GanagiBitrus is wrong following your back and forth! He is speaking from the obtainable realistic point of view while you are speaking from the idealistic view which you and I know isn't the obtainable.

Examples will suffice: one IG after another has made these boast whenever they assume office
A. Recalling all police personnel from VIPs and you know its just blowing hot air
B. Dismantling "illegal checkpoints" all over the country. How far with that?
C. The police have no right to check your phone. Lol yimu

You cant blame Nigerians who don't buy that statement when there are a litany of statements that don't involve life that don't pass a day or two of enforcement and then we are back to status quo

The Police needs to liase with the Nigerian Medical Association body to workout a working framework in such situations. This doctors are learned people who by their sworn oath are bound to save lives and if they do not in such situations, the questions should be why are they not. There should be an open conversation on grey areas of uderstanding between both bodies.

It is not about making statements because we have an unfortunate incident on our hands and then make more when another occurs or transferring litigation responsibility (like you are advocating) to ordinary Nigerians who won't take that route for obvious reasons!

Suing is medicine after death!!

The only sane and cerebral person in Nairaland

JagabanB:
How does the police investigations and interrogations disrupt business?
Can u tell me?
Doctors and health workers simply choose to be irresponsible and they are not held accountable for it.
It's a law that a patient with gunshot wound must be treated, it's a law passed by the Senate and hospitals who reject such patients shall be dealth with according to the law.
The IGP issued a signed statement, "mere police statement" won't solve it, when one or two hospitals are dragged to the court and made to paid heavily for damages, doctors has their license withdrawn then the issue will be solved.
Most people in Nigeria get mistreated because they can't leverage on their rights.

Its funny how an outsider that has zero knowledge of how hospital dynamics work insist he knows everything. I was threatened with arrest because I was late in reporting a stab case(not even gunshot). The police wanted me to leave the hospital by 12am in the night, and hunt down the nearest police station to report the case. Whether I'm the only doc around or there are unconscious cases on ventilators, is all irrelevant, or possible emergencies coming at that point as outpatient, are all irrelevant. Imagine if you are the hospital owner or a patient that came in an emergency, do you know the chaos this has caused?

JagabanB:
It's good to sound like u are siding with the hospital until u become a victim or someone close to u becomes a victim.
In Nigeria, we only complain when we are affected.
The police cañ't harrass a hospital.
But it's good u are making it an excuse now.

The police can't harass a hospital? Really?
I was a victim of a similar case. This time it was a stab victim, a man stabbed in the external carotid artery with a scissors by his girlfriend. They rushed him in by 11pm. Already he was bleeding out and already in decompensated shock. I did all I can but dude succumbed. By 7am police came to the hospital to arrest me. My crime? I didn't alert them of the case early enough. I told them I was the only doctor in the hospital on night duty and I couldn't have left all the very sick patients just to start looking for the nearest police station by 12am when I don't even know that area(the hospital is at Eleme and I live in Port Harcourt). All my pleas fell on deaf ears. I refused to follow them for the arrest. They said when they return they would come with armed mopol. They left. I hurriedly left after them. I didn't even hand over to the morning doc. By 9am the hospital Secretary called me that they came with armed cops to forcefully arrest me.
Now tell me if you are me what you would do the next time a stab or gunshot patient show up?
The problem is still the Nigerian police. Their low cadre staff harass and intimidate Hospital staff who treat these victims. They should ensure they themselves fully comply. NMA and Ministry of Health alerted them to these issues of harassment for them to look into it

Janosky:
Did your god of men (in the screenshot) apologize for DECEIVING YOU to reject covid 19 vaccination?

Everyone knows that JWs are NOT perfect,not even Paul or the first century believers.

Oga Sparrow,Go & cure the mess inside Christendom and have peace.

As usual you dodged his points.
Are you saying JW GBs are as sinful and proud as these GOs you mentioned? I thought Maxindhouse said JWs are the best things after sliced bread. Yet here you're

Dtruthspeaker:
Found by who? And what authority? Here you are comitting a fallacy.



Can a thing exist without being created to exist?

Secondly, the bible focuses on the man and his house called earth and not on Pluto or Uranus.



Invalid! No one asked you what your opinion is on the subject. So it is either you came to point out a reasonable query or you keep silent. Your own rubbish opinions is not the subject matter so you have spoken off point.

1. The Bible has been found to be fairy tales both scientifically or historically. None of the events recorded in it were true. Egypt never ruled israelites. Nobody named Joseph has been in any form of rulership in ancient Egypt. And these ancient Egyptians keep records. That's why they are the earliest civilization. No time did the sun or moon stand still. No time did people resurrect en masse from the dead. No scientific evidence of a flood that covered the earth. Etc etc
2. According to you Christians , Yahweh existed without a creator.
3. Actually, the bible focused on all the creations of Yahweh, and not just earth. The Bible specifically said "In the beginning…. "
4. I was making my own conclusions about my own god, just like he made his own conclusions.

Jokerman:
1. As a Christian, the Bible is not a fairy tale to me... It might be to you, of which we all will find out when we leave this planet

2. And who told you the universe has not been existing before creation of earth planet? At least we know the earth was without form and void, and water was everywhere according the greatest book ever written .

3. I'm a creation of God. I'm wonderfully and fearfully and carefully made by the intelligent designer which is the almighty God.

So yours can be the flying spaghetti or indomie monster....

1. Exactly. So you have no proof of your god. Just change the topic of the thread. The only proof is 'wait till you're dead and you'll know' which is rubbish.
2. So who created that earlier universe? Are you saying Yahweh had 2 creations?

3. Im a creation of Flying Spaghetti Monster. QED

Dtruthspeaker:
The bible talked about us and our good/bad welfare.

So, we don't care where God comes from nor do we are any one contesting ownership of this world with Him!

So wash off. We don't care for stupidities

Notice I didn’t send the message to you. I know u r incapable of mental exercises, so I didn’t waste my time.
So follow your advice

Image123:
According to you, you get gibberish. You should be thankful for now hearing the truth, or are you configured for gibberish?
When you obey simple principles and laws of diligence, discipline, investment in wisdom, generosity and some fairness. You'd be "blessed", it's only a matter of time.

Blessed by who?