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NicoleSilvera:
"If you doubt Jesus, ask yourself—what other god can do wonders like this? ✝️💫"

Gods like Allah,Brahma,Zeus etc can do better

FxMasterz:
So, atheism has a. god. And the god is a capital G. That's good to know. I have always said it that Atheism itself is a religion.

God didn't prove Himself to Baal or to Dragon. Show me where He did that. God always prove Himself to His children who put their trust in Him.

I will have the contact of your patients after you have their consent to release it. I'll pray over the phone or send voice notes of prayers to them so that they can be healed. You can televise your actions if you so desire.

Obviously u can see I used paraphrase around the word God of atheism, meaning it is not real.
About your god proving himself, it seems yall christians don't read your bible cos you're the second christian I'm showing this verse about yhwh flexing his muscle....
If you can't read the book your belief is based off,why then engage atheists?

1 Kings 18:18-40
18 “I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table.”

20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”

But the people said nothing.

22 Then Elijah said to them, “I am the only one of the Lord’s prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let Baal’s prophets choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord. The god who answers by fire—he is God.”

Then all the people said, “What you say is good.”

25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.” 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

30 Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come here to me.” They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the Lord, which had been torn down. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Your name shall be Israel.” 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs[a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, “Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”

34 “Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.

“Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”

40 Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

Lawag3:
Good morning. Okay great questions some of them.

Every thing that exists in time and occupy space is matter right and since matter exists in time it has a beginning because something without a beginning would be timeless.

Almost all scientist believe that the universe began like it had a beginning. Some believe it began from nothing . How is that possible? I don't know. many Christians including myself believe that creation started from nothing or what appears to be nothing ( most of science agrees with that)because I believe that in the beginning the universe wasn't simply a void of absolute nothingness even if it was something changed that the bible describes creation as God saying it and it just happened like God created the universe from his word. I don't know if the process of creation was a chemical one that span billions of years or if it was instantaneous. Science tries to explain the concept of creation from nothing with quantum fluctuations and quantum physics but it is unable to physics has not yet found confirmed instances of something arising from nothing in a way that definitively proves this processes. This was supposed to disprove God that's there's a divine hand in creation but as of today it hasn't.


So how did God get the materials to create the universe? First God isn't a bricklayer that needs material. He created everything from his word you might not believe this and you don't have to .

This brings us to your second point of inserting God into a knowledge gap that's classic human behavior and for good reasons I got to admit I do so because of two reasons one being evidence for like the fact that life can only come from life and the fact that you and many like you are basically saying that everything as we know it is as a result of multiple coincidences and make it seem like we are unreasonable for believing that no all as we know can't be as a result of multiple coincidences and mistake that every law that governs physics chemistry life time space matter are just as a result of coincidences. That there has to be some sort of guidance from a higher conscious being an intelligent being. Anyway I'm won't lie evidence that supports my beliefs were not enough for me that brings me to the second reason evidence against. The evidence against are not conclusive as of now they have not disprove my beliefs in God and for now they affirm my beliefs that for instance abiogenesis there's no instance of complete abiogenesis. Or many of those other theories are inconclusive.

Coming to think of it now the only record of complete abiogenesis was done by God as recorded in Bible Adam formed from dust. The day nature or science accomplish that then you standing becomes stronger.

So from all I have written you can tell I did not just come to the conclusion of God did. Some may say the evidence that points to God being the author of creation isn't enough but the evidence against God are not conclusive.

PS Jesus never said that epilepsy was demonic.
I believed in that instance that that epilepsy the boy was suffering from was as a result of a demon Jesus said so and cast the demon out which ended the epilepsy Jesus before then had healed countless people and I think this one and the mad man he healed are the only ones he termed to be as a result of demon possession. Not that all madness and epilepsy are as a result of demon possession.


On your third point and question God created time space and matter this three have to come into existence at the same instance because non of them can exists independently of the other two doesn't that tell you that for God to have created time he has to be outside time if not God is just a matter that occupies space at a point in time. Let's take paintings the painter doesn't exist in his paintings and he existed before his paintings.

So yeah basically God existed before time he created it so he has to exist outside it.

On your fourth point well if you ask me you shouldn't at least not blindly you should study find evidences study the gospel study God in the old and New testament study the gods of other religions and compare them then come to your conclusion I did and I can tell you evidence points to My God as the God of all flesh and of Creation.

On your fifth point I agree with you 100% but then the conditions and laws that governs our Bodies and universe I consider them almost perfect your if not the universe will be chaotic and disorderly you do agree with me that's there's an other to which the human body works and once something disrupts that order then you have sickness disease take our world for example earth meets the very slim requirements to sustain life it's the only planet that we can verify sustains life because it meats the rules there is a delicate balance.

So while our Bodies and universe are not perfect if they follow certain rules and meet certain conditions they have the potential to be nearly perfect.


To you the idea of creation negates evolution to me it doesn't I believe God gave his living creatures the ability to adapt to certain conditions which could lead to evolution. God's creation of the universe could as well been a chemical process like God sets the laws of physics chemistry and biology and all other scientific laws uses them as a blue print to further create everything everything else or God starts the process of creation and directs it until we got to the point where we are today.
But that being said I do not believe in the evolution of Man specifically . In the bible there is a mention of the earth without life as we know it. The bible describes this earth as without form and it was void. I know someone who could explain this better than I ever could.

On you last question I think I have already answered this question the universe isn't perfect it is infact very hostile to life but then there are requirements that must be reach to sustain life .

There are rules and laws the universe must not break on a large scale of it must remain sustainable.( A thought came to my head that the whole universe is matter when is it in time what space doe it occupy ) this show be a discussion for another time.

In conclusion nobody have ever seen a universe being created nobody saw the big bang nobody saw the dinosaurs. But there are evidence that points to all this existing. So the evidence I have seen forms my beliefs of God being the Author of creation.

Are you sure God doesn't exist? What are the basis for you atheist beliefs.

Omo next time guy you're obligated to send me a truck load of vitamin tablets and energy drinks .

I hate typing it tires me TF out.

This bot has been dealing with me today. So i have to alter my posts severally.
Most of the sentences you made didn't make sense cos it was in long convoluted sentences. Please try to use commas and full stops.
How do you know your god is timeless. In fact how do you determine the characteristics of your god. If you use the bible,it would be wrong cos it has been found to be self contradictory,inconsistent and errant.

Which scientists said the world has a beginning? I dont think scientists believe the world came from nothing. Show me your source. The general consensus is Big Bang,and before that,we dont know. If you dont believe the universe was a void, you would be contradicting your own source,the bible. You're basically saying the same thing. According to you,your god just said something and stuff started popping into existence Thanos-esque. So its basically saying something came from nothing, which is exactly what you theists have been laughing at.

I dont know where you got your coincidence story. I personally believe we dont know how we came about. The abounding theory is that we came from a unicellular organism and evolved. Thats all there's to it.

Again,quoting your creation story doesn't make sense. Ditto what i said up there: the bible is not an inerrant source of knowledge.

You're confusing yourself. You said 'Jesus never said that epilepsy was demonic' and in the same breath said 'that epilepsy the boy was suffering from was as a result of a demon Jesus said so and cast the demon out which ended the epilepsy'

U said the earth was without life and form. You still didn't say anything about dinos existing.

You said you dont believe in evolution. Are you for real? Before i explain it,are you a science student?

You skipped the question where i asked you how you know its your favorite god that created the earth. It seems a sticking point for theists. Why?

So why do you thonk your god is special. I'm waiting....

I hate typing too. What you need isnt vitamins and energy drinks. You need glucose.

FxMasterz:
Chicken out like how?

I will pray and something will happen. You can televise the prayer even when I pray remotely. I don't have to be there.

But as I have said, I'm not doing it to prove anything to you. Who are you by the way? The Almighty God would help those who trust Him - your patients. He has nothing to prove to an inconsequential being like you.

He doesn't wanna prove anything to me but he proved to himself to Baal,Daagon and other gods in the bible? So he's afraid of the 'God of atheism'?
Btw,how can I stream/televise a prayer that I don't know where or when it's happening? Please help me out here

LordReed:
Hey man. Glad to have you. How have you been?

Been good,bro. I have been missing some skirmishes in this space. Been active mostly in Instagram and Tiktok,especially the later. And also my japa things have been cooking. How are things

FxMasterz:
I'm going to pray within 24hrs of getting their contacts. I am the one to do the miracles. It's Jesus. I'm not doing this to prove anything to you. Please understand. I'm doing this because I want God to touch the patients as He has always done.

Elijah(abi Elisha) proved to the prophets of Baal that his god is the greatest. Other instances abound in your bible where Yhwh was flexing his muscles through his servants. Don't chicken out. I even want a physical challenge,televised on social media,where you can demonstrate how powerful your god is,and so hardened atheists like LordReed, HardMirror,kingsamx etc would bow down 😆
At least we won't have mouth to attack you again on Nairaland
How about that

FxMasterz:
Are you truly or doctor or you're just lying to obscure the truth? Even those who didn't study medicine know that peristalsis is just push and squeeze. Not rotation!

See the attached.

You are comparing AI to what I was taught in medical school via thoroughly researched physiology texts? Where did I say that peristalsis is a rotation?
This AI output even says peristalsis is one directional
So how does vomiting occur? How do people that have Rumination Syndrome regurgitate food?

Lawag3:
Yeah I know but then a brick or block are not buildings are they.

This is the thought process that recently solidify my beliefs in God.

There's no process in which life can form from something lifeless except if directed by a devine conscious and intelligent being. Almost everything ever made even by man has a method to it buildings cars jets are there because some person made them. This earth you me the universe exist because someone made them.

And evidence supports that line of thought

Alright. So here's the problem with creationism
1. Since you believe everything must have a beginning, where did god get the materials to create the universe?
2. You just committed a god-of-the-gap fallacy. You inserted god into a knowledge gap. Remember when humans believe lightning, flood came from god. Remember when we thought epilepsy was demonic(even Jesus said so in the bible). Remember when we thought sickle cell was 'ogbanje' or 'abiku'. Etc etc. Now we know better. The fact we don't know exactly how we came here shouldn't make me insert 'God did' (like DJ Khaled) and shut my brain up. That's lazy thinking. If scientists do that,we'd still be living in the dark ages. They weren't satisfied with the 'God did it all' or supernatural explanations and decided to research and that's how we improved as a specie.
3. If you think everything must have a creation,then who created your god? If you go with 'oh,he's eternal' then why can't you use the same logic and say the universe is eternal? That's another logical fallacy, special pleading.
4. Let's assume the universe was created. Why would I believe it's your favorite god Yhwh, anf not thousands of gods that are out there and some were before him?
5. The universe is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is the human body. As a doctor, I would tell you that for free. It's only illiterates that believe the human body is perfect or near perfect
6. The thought that we were created negates evolution, which can be backed up by evidence. There is no evidence for your god creating anything. Is there any mention of dinos in the bible? Nope. Was there any mention in the bible of a period of time when dinos roamed the world without man? Nope.
7. Finally,everything made by man can be described process by process and we know for a fact that they were created. Have we seen a universe created before? How do you even know the universe is perfect when we can't have a template to compare and say it's in fact perfect.
I can go on and on but let's start with this.
Morning bro

budaatum:
But your prayers do not need to "reach them directly", since it is your god that you direct your prayers to for them, and not directly to them!

I know all that but I want to give him the benefit of doubt. Cos he'll use the fact that I didn't give him the patient details as an excuse

FxMasterz:
I'll pray for them. Not praying into the air. I need to know who they are and then find a way for my prayers to reach them directly.

When I get to work today I'll get their permission to forward their contacts. I can't just give them to you cos of doctor patient confidentiality. And also how long would it take you to pray and when should we expect a miracle?

budaatum:
I too was paralysed from the waist down once. My legs stopped responding to my mind and would not move when told to.

Some wonderful doctors at King's Hospital performed miracles on me, and a crane in a building made my legs move.

I described the miracle here:
https://www.nairaland.com/4437570/gospel-according-luke/1#72867008

What was the diagnosis? Paraplegia?

Lawag3:
My guy how have you been?

Anyway you do no there is no record or evidence of complete abiogenesis in nature or in a lab right.

Every experiments have always ended in the level of amino acids which cannot be considered as living.

Anyway I still what to here your thoughts on this.

Granted,amino acids ain't exactly living things,but they are the building blocks of living things

FxMasterz:
Give me your contact. I'll pray for the sick over the phone.

I won't give strangers my phone number bro. I can tell you what the patients have and you pray. Savvy?

Lawag3:
Can something non living form life?

Like let's say chemicals mixing until life is form.

Meaning life can be formed without input of an intelligent being.

Yup. Look up abiogenesis

LordReed:
LMAO! I said we should do it live on video call or your prayer cannot work via video call? Bwahahahahahahaha!

Don't bother. I have challenged him before and he chickened out

FxMasterz:
I will like to see your atheist who had the leg recovery case verified.

You atheists are low thinkers. I have proven that several times.

Even if you believe that all the miracles that I described are things that can happen naturally, why didn't they happen before we prayed?

If natural things that should happen later became hastened as a result of prayers, it's still a miracle my friend.

I am very sure that if I pray right in your presence and a miracle happens, you'll still explain it away, saying it's no miracle.

Let me tell you, there's no occurence in this world that cannot be explained away but explaining them away can never do justice to reality.

And no, whatevs circumstances that made Maynman stop.posting is an answer to prayer. The circumstances didn't happen before I prayed. And no, he's not posting with another Monika. The topics he use to post have literally disappeared from Nairaland.

Oh,you want his own to be verified but want us to swallow all those your cock and bull stories 😏 lol 😆

LordReed:
I see all these as the ramblings of an immature mind that never grew away from the fantastic tales of talking tortise in folktales.

I showed that a nail was expelled from someone's GI with no prayers involved.

You have no knowledge of Maymann's circumstances IRL so have no way of know why he stopped posting. You don't even know if he is posting on a different account but you decided that the supernatural is the answer. What a monumental failure to reason. It is indicative of your immaturity.

I know an atheist who lost the use of one leg. No doctor could diagnose why or what was wrong. 6 months later my man was walking on his 2 legs and still is. No prayer or any mumbo jumbo so all your so called testimonies are bunk. Things happen that are unexplained NATURALLY. Your calling them supernatural is your own failure of reasoning not anybody else's.

I was paralyzed in my left leg after an accident in my workplace. I made a diagnosis of radiculopathy and managed myself. Within 1 month i was walking normal. No prayers,no fasting etc. I was telling my wife the other day that if I was a theist ,i woulda been doing thanksgiving, testimonies, tithes etc. I just applied science and was fine

FxMasterz:
Yet you have no explanation for the nail that got flushed out of the Baby.

You have no explanation for the my daughter's tooth that corrected itself after prayers.

You have no explanation for Maynman's ceased activities of Nairaland after prayers.

You have no explanation for the elephantiasis disappearance from the 4 year old's foot.

Most recently, a 38 year old woman who never got married was prayed for by a friend of mine. Weeks later, she got married to a man above the age of 50 - a divorcee. About 3 weeks after the wedding, the lady got attacked health wise, and was returned to her mother's house (the father and mother were long divorced. She grew up with her mother) from Akure to Ibadan as her health kept failing. All medications and hospital intervention failed. They later dumped her ati home to consider unorthodox means. When I heard about the issue, I went to her mother's house in Ibadan and prayed for her because her elder sister is a close friend. I met her husband there that day. Someone that could barely get herself to the sitting room on the day I visited was later reported to have returned to Akure with her husband a few days after I prayed.

The only thing you can do is to deny. But denial is not the same as reality. There's a place you're nurturing for your soul. We'll help.you to encounter God if you're willing, but your stubbornness also has an end.

I have shared several testimony here which you play deaf to. Keep playing dear and blind. Perhaps, your life is not precious to you.

I expect you bwahahaha everything away. A wide man would take active steps to verify claims before reaching conclusions. Someone who has not seen the whole world is making conclusions on the whole universes. How old are you that you're making absolute conclusions based on your fewvyeats of existence and inexperience.

Oga, all these talk is bullshit. You agreed to pray in my hospital almost 2 years ago and have since been giving flimsy reasons. U r a liar till you prove it. Period!

FxMasterz:
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I have answered all your questions. I never said foreign objects don't move in tummies. Read the OP. The claims was that this one only moved after prayers. This is premises on the fact that not all objects move. Many never moved. And it's significant that this one moved after prayer. Not only did it move. It made an unusual 360° rotation. Not just a movement.

I have asked you to bring a similar 360° rotation incident relating to a 1 year old or any age within such range. You didn't find one even for adults. The adult case you brogh was not a rotation. That nail had to do 360° rotation, otherwise the child would be in danger. It was that rotation alone that could resolve the issue, and it's not commonplace. This rotation happened only after prayers.

This is my position which you never addressed. Your questions were all of point because they didn't challenge my position in anyway. You're asking questions regarding assertions I never made.

You're just being dishonest. You said foreign objects move without prayers but this one moved with prayers. Question is,how did you know this particular one moved after prayers when you have already admitted they can move spontaneously?
Theist ignorance

FxMasterz:
Please answer a simple yes or no to whether the nail swallowing case is simple or that the nail ejection case is common.

Mind you, Gabrielshow24 has challenged you that peristalsis does not make objects move 360°. Do you have any other natural explanation for the occurrence in the child's tummy?

You cannot say it's not a miracle by just saying it's not. You've got to prove it with natural explanations and multiple samples of similar occurrences. The multiplicity of similar cases will be enough proof to back up your dismissal of a miracle taking place.

Stop being emotional and face this issue headlong my friend.

Your nail did a 180 not 360. Gabrielshow was wrong

FxMasterz:
Gabrielshow24 already passed his message to you. That doesn't mean he accepts your denial.

You couldn't even produce at least 5 evidences of people who survived such incidents without surgery, yet you're here trying to disprove an occurrence that is not so rampant, and that happened only after prayer. Or, how many incidents of 360° nail rotation in the tummy have you seen yet in the whole world? All reports online show complications, perforations, surgeries and deaths. The case you brought yesterday was a simple case that never needed a surgery.

Keep denying God. You'll still meet God some day.

From saying it cannot happen,you're now demanding for 5 cases. And if the 5 cases are provided,u ll demand for 50. Your dishonesty has no bounds

FxMasterz:
From my initial post, I never said foreign objects don't change positions. I was even the one who mentioned peristalsis to you. If you don't understand my line of argument, this should give you more clarity. I have never said they cannot change position They can change positions even dangerously. What I have said right from the beginning till now is that a 360° change in a harmless position that didn't happen before prayer happened after only prayer. And that it isn't a coincidence that instead of changing positions more dangerously (,that probably is very high), it rather changed position to take the child out of harm's way. This probability is slimmer than the dangerous position probability. It happened only after prayer. Definitely God worked as He had always worked.

So how did the other cases where the nails changed positions come about? Did folks pray too?

FxMasterz:
Absolutely wrong inferences.

The second set of images are not two different images but the same image from different perspectives for better visibility.

The nail turned and repositioned itself in the way to the anus.

Now, even if it rotates 1000 times, have you ever thought of the probability of it ending its rotation in a harmful direction?

If you think that alien objects naturally leave the human body without external interventions; is the human body intelligent enough to purge itself of alien materials? Who gave it such an intelligence? Or that intelligence, similar to the way the body tries to heal itself is just accidental?

If there's a biological process that the body uses to do such things naturally, who programmed that process? It's just by accident and adaptation?

Whatever your theories are, it does not dispel that facts that:

1. God caused delays in the surgery to allow time for prayers to be answered. If this has happened to your child (God forbid), the child would have had surgery same day he or she was appointed. And, who knows what the results could have been. There are many who have died from less complicated matters than this. Give Glory to God!

2. By the time the surgery was to be done, the nail had already rotated unexpectedly because the mother prayed. Was the nail expected to harmlessly change orientation? NO. Nobody expected it. The mother herself was just asking God for intervention. She didn't know how God would do it. Infact, there's no guarantee that any change in orientation would be safe for the child!

This is just God. Give Glory to God! Yeah, we even have cases where such strange objects would disappear after prayers. But just because unlike this woman, most Christians don't do xrays to document issues, people like you would call it a lie. For example, when my daughter grew a tooth in an odd place, I didn't take pictures. I only prayed, smd the tooth changed direction. You can call that a lie if you want. All I know is that the tooth repositioned itself, and my daughter and her siblings who were around at the time are living witnesses of the miracle they experienced. Your own doubts and denials don't amount to anything. They do not stop Jesus from continuing to manifest Himself.

So, my friend. Keep denying and allowing the devil to keep desceiving you. Hey, do not believe the Gospel, and keep calling Jesus names. Call God all types of unprintable names. You own your mouth but someone else owns your ife. That's why you don't have any authority or power to retain your life or determine the time you'll return to the grave? Why? Because it's not yours. You're living on a leased breath. Whenever the owner is ready, He'll take what is His, and then, by that time, though too late, your eyes would open in eternal regrets.

We are telling you all truth about our personal experiences with God. You keep validating your own lying fantasies and standing on false scientific premises that don't last.

1.The number of times the nail turns is irrelevant. What we can infer is that there was a turning or repositioning of the nail. The xrays were at 8 hrs and 24hrs post ingestion showing how the nail turned.
2. Now that you've been defeated that what happened to your 'miracle' was in fact a natural occurrence,you're now delving into 'intelligent design' realm. This is where you'll lose profusely cos the body has a lot of poor design characteristics. How come we have our breathing apparatus in the same place as eating? That is how folks choke to death while eating. Also the reproductive organ is besides the digestive system. Thus babies often come out covered with poo. Also the body often fights against itself. I can go on and on about this intelligent design bullshit
3. About your daughters dental maleruption,u said earlier that it disappeared and reappeared in a normal position. So which lie I go believe

FxMasterz:
So,you have only one case of someone who had a nail longitudinally inside a person who then passed it easily because the nail wasn't in a dangerous position in the tummy. The nail didn't even have to turn for it to be rejected. That has happened many times and does not require prayers to change anything.

It seems you didn't even see the difference in both cases. This is not a matter of just ingestimg a nail but that the nail established itself in a dangerous position and had to change orientation to be able to move out of the body. Otherwise, surgery is the only solution, and that could result in death. After the mother prayed, the nail turned 360° and came out without surgery.

You need to be able to produce a very similar occurrence to this to disprove this miracle

Anyone lost in a jungle can walk out of it unhurt. That wouldn't be a miracle but when that jungle is full of wild and dangerous beasts, any escape is a miracle.

How do you know the cases both of us posted are not dangerous?

LordReed:
You avoided answering the question so as to not ruin your interpretation of this as a miracle.



How do you know that?



The doctors are there to be pragmatic and do the least harm, not wait for a situation to turn ugly before acting.



How can we know it was the prayer that caused it if foreign objects naturally move and reposition in the human body?

Exactly what I told the dvllard. Pragmatic is the word

FxMasterz:
You mean you are expecting me to say what you want me to say? Is that what you mean by saying your question was not answered?

No now, I have answered your questions. I gave you a comprehensive answer.

Look at that nail very closely. It's sharp end faces downwards. Anyone who says there's a biological move that could make that sharp end face upwards is obviously a liar. Whatever turned that sharp end upwards is a miracle. You can only live in denial.

Now, if you think that could happen without prayers, kudos to you. The doctors already wanted to operate the child. They never expected the nail to turn. Neither did the do anything to activate any biological process. As far as the doctors were concerned, the ONLY solution was surgery.

Now, the mother prayed and the entire situation changed. Satan is still whispering into your head that the situation that didn't change before prayer has now changed naturally. How long will you keep denying the truth of God while celebrating the lies Satan tells you daily?

You know nothing about medicine. Peristalsis can turn it around but we don't take chances cos even though it can turn,it may also perforate the bowels. So we may as well intervene. It's just like a woman who has a contracted pelvis and is pregnant. Even though we know that the baby may still pass through alive but we don't wanna take chances cos it may die in the process. It's why you see these cretarded women giving testimonies that they delivered a baby through the vjay even though the doctor said otherwise and the lord brought the baby out. The ones that die from trying to give birth with prolonged labor due to contracted pelvis would of course not be alive to say anything

Gabrielshow24:
One thing you must learn is that Jesus won't infringe on your will. If you let him in, good for you else you are left to do ’things’ on your own, a syntactic periphrastic sugar for ’OYO'🤨.

Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc