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OLAADEGBU:
What did Jesus, the Law giver, say about those who "broke" the sabbath law? I can see that you conveniently evaded my penultimate question: 'How do you account for the existence of the laws of morality, how does it fit into your atheist evolution worldview?'

1. So are you taking Jesus's view over his father, Yahweh?
2. I hope you know atheists are humanists. We
interract and help people irrespective of race, religion, creed, disability, sexual orientation etc.
I have also told you moral laws existed way before the bible from the Code of Hammurabi.
I don't know what you mean by 'atheist evolution worldview'. Maybe you can explain further

SIRTee15:
Is this my chatgpt account or yours? Why bring your own evidence as proof of mine.
Mine was about the novel, mention of the movie.
Below is mine....

Besides I need alternative evidence that okonkwo was shot in the movie adaptation. because if my memory won't fail me, I think he hanged himself in the movie.

Did the submission that Okonkwo was shot come from you(the user)? No. It all came from chatgpt sources(which may be wrong).
All in all, chatgpt can answer one question differently if you ask the same question in different ways. Its not infallible but its errors don't come from the user

SIRTee15:
Can u pls go and read things fall apart and learn how okonkwo died, then u will understand what happend here?

Did you look at the screenshot at all?

SIRTee15:
So how come it changed the answer when I prompted it with a wrong suggestion.

Because it was talking about a different version of the book or a different adaptation

Ken4Christ:
Your submissions do not require a casual response. It's a project work. And I will certainly respond.

I broke them down into chapters for easier reference. Start with chapter one.
The crazy part is that I haven't even posted the main mind boggling errors. I was testing the waters and no strong rebuttals are forthcoming. I have since held my peace

MaxInDHouse:
You're already doing the same thing you want to condemn!

GOD according to the dictionary simply means SUPREME BEING so if you don't feel like talking about God all you need to do is avoid those doing so otherwise whatever makes you raise any topic about GOD it makes you a demigod yourself because nobody is using your mouth to talk or your hands to type therefore you have no right whatsoever to dictate what others should say with their mouth or type with their fingers!

What is this one saying? Why are your posts eyesores? Can you rephrase…

Maynman:
It was talking about a different thing.

Cc. jaephoenix


“I wont allow u hide anywhere even if it's behind one finger”

SirTee15 has quietly left the chat

MaxInDHouse:
Do you approve of your own child eating through his nose?
If not then figure out what i meant it's not rocket science!

You write rubbish and tell another person to figure it out, even when you have been invited to clarify it?

Maynman:
The chatgpt was talking about a different thing.

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TenQ:
Please be serious for once.
Abiogenesis is a joke with respect to creation: why? Abiogenesis came billions of years after the initiation of Creation about 13.8 billion years ago.

To talk creation, you have to go to time t=zero.

Unfortunately, at time t=zero ALL the physical laws are inexistent, time , space and matter doesn't even exist.

Don't worry for now if Athe worshippers of Allah and Yahweh claim that their own God created the Universe: the key is , WAS THE UNIVERSE CREATED or had it always existed!


Philosophical Questions:
1. Do you concur that SOMETHING beyond time, space, matter and physical laws initiated the expansion of the Universe?
2. Do you think such a PRIMARY initiator can be subject to the laws of nature?

1. Do you think creation happened 13.8m years ago?
2. Hey, I'm worried about the particular god that did the job. If you argue the universe was created, then provide the evidence of your god

MaxInDHouse:
Calm down and stop giving yourself headache over what you or your forefathers in Atheism can't change!

GOD didn't just program Adam to produce children his body was programmed to do so many things but he will use his own discretion to determine whether to use the functioning body parts either for good or evil.

So stop misconstruing the whole thing because you're hurting yourself each day coming here to argue bitterly simply because you feel you're more intelligent than others?

Can you explain this bvllshit?

MaxInDHouse:
Go and settle your score with them JWs aren't coming to throw costly spiritual pearls at you! Matthew 7:6

And I didn’t request for any 'costly' spiritual pearls

Dtruthspeaker:
You already preknow for a fact that your children shall write jamb (what they shall do) and they shall either pass or fail it, so, you see you have nothing valid to say.

Does this sentence make sense to you

Dtruthspeaker:
Every reasonable person can see that there is nothing like second guessing in my statement. So you do not have any valid thing to say.

I doubt if you know what second guessing is

Dtruthspeaker:
Another proof that the Bible is True for you are truly "like" God. Not God Himself or all God, but "like" God!

And as I told them, no one has said you are God or omniscient but you are certainly "like" God and as proven already, you have confirmed your possession of omniscientness, so surely you can use it to understand God, if you want.

I would like some of those kush youre on

Dantedasz:
Anastasia darling,
Did you finally get yourself a man or are you still searching?

She's prolly using a dillldo til the good lord sends down the heavenly hunk for her

Caveatemptor:
Anastasia!
Wow!
Where have you been?
As I have always told you, delusions like devil, demons, angels, Satan, heaven and hell are non issues to me since I don't believe in them.
I distinctly remember you preaching against the anti covid jab because your pastor preached against it as devilish. Did you finally take the jab?
Anastasia, you need to post more often.

Dude is a comical relief

Anas09:
Guy, say what you want now that you have the freedom to. because, very soon, you will no longer have that freewill to. And it won't be YHWH stopping you, it will be your master stopping you. I listened to one scientist postulating that in 15yrs from now, AI robots will take over the running of our society considerably.
And, you know what? These AIs are not from God. Elon Musk says AIs are driven by ETS. Do you know what ETS are? Demons. Yes demons. They will take away your freedom.
Why God allows you to insult him and go free, it's so that you wld appreciate it when Satan takes away your right. AI won't recognize who is an atheist or theist.
So, buckle up, it's coming

Whoa. ETs are demons? Interesting. What other tales have you got up your sleeves, sir

Anas09:
The freewill is the air you still breath now. The fact that your fingers are not numb after typing this. Freewill is that you choose to insult him as you like, but you carry on as though nothing happened. But, a day will come that you wish you had chosen not to do what you do now.

Are you aware the Flying Spaghetti Monster gave you a free will but you have been insulting His Holy Limbs

Caveatemptor:
Oga,
As other posters on this thread have told you. I am not a god neither do I claim to be omniscient!
This your argument no follow at all!

You have better chance of getting a logical reasoning from a wet stone than DTruthSpeaker

MightySparrow:
I don't remember you presented inadequacies to me. Represent it please.

Please go back to that thread, or click on the link I put up there in that post

MightySparrow:
Okay, I admit I misunderstood you. I once belonged to a group, Navigators, a time came some of them came to visit us in Nigeria. The leader of my group, a surgeon, from ABU, was introducing them . One of them was an astronaut! I thought people like that should not believe in a personal God, I was wrong.

People believe in anything. Sometimes it clashes with their profession. I don't know how they handle it. I also wonder how an archaeologist or paleontologist believe in any god. Must be confusing for them cos their work relies on evolution and eschews creationism

MightySparrow:
Exactly my point. If a percentage not matter how small ,can have a different view from a whole lot. That is enough to work with. If for instance, the average number of people in a class is 45.3, you don't have ⅛ of human being. So, since we have a number that view things differently, we should now find out why?
In Islam, Prophet Mohammed wrote about sperm developing from the backbone. Yet there are professors of medicine that believe his message. So, I don't still see how science goes against believe in a personal or corporate God.
About Albert Einstein I read my own in the special edition of Time magazine. The Man of the Century. as we cannot absolutely reject Wikipedia, I don't really take their reportage too seriously. Anybody can edit and write anything.

Again, this is you tryna employ one of your dodge tactics. This was your earlier post
There's a no known branches of science that are filled with atheists. Majority of them believe in one thing on the other.
And I just showed you that in fact a good number of scientists don't believe in any god. So how does this back up your point?
And I don't even understand your statistical example. Care to explain?
About Einstein, what I wrote was a quote of his, not even what others think of him. He said those with his mouth. So Wiki cannot manufacture quotes

MightySparrow:
Adeboye has Ph. D in Mathematics, Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome are not pure scientists bur architects. Oyedepo bagged pH. D in human Development not Honourary. Anyway, this doesn't remove the fact that Isaac Newton, Galileo Galilei, Michael Faraday were leading scientists in their time. So, how does your MBBS oppose God? There are several medical practionals that believe in one deity or the other all over the world. Ben Carson is one. If you schooled in Nigeria, or elsewhere, are all your lectures atheists?

1. In your earlier deposition you said Oyedepo and Kumuyi are eggheads. Turns out neither Oyedepo nor Kumuyi is. Now you're twisting your argument by saying they aint 'pure scientists'. Lol
2. Oyedepo studied architecture at Kwara Polytechnic but did not obtain any degree. No site would tell you he obtained a degree there. And the PhD he got was from a fake, unrecognized and unaccredited university of Honolulu, which is rubbish
3. I have said it before. Newton wasn't a christian. He was Aryan. Galileo wasn't even a catholic. He was afraid of the Catholic induced witch hunting then which would have killed him for any contrary belief. In fact for even saying the earth was round(which was a contrary church belief) he was on house arrest, and died there.
4. You're missing my point completely, which I believe is intentional.
You mentioned most of your pastors have higher degrees than me. I listed mine, (even though I didn’t list my other qualifications) so you can compare it with your pastors. I didn't list it to oppose anybody or insinuate anything. Many physicians have many beliefs. Not my business

joyandfaith:
Some who believe in predestination reason basically as follows: God is omniscient. He knows everything, even what is going to happen in the future. He knows what each person is going to do with his life, and he already knows the exact moment and manner of each person’s death. So, according to their thinking, when the time comes for an individual to make a decision, his choice cannot be other than the way God has foreseen and foreordained it; otherwise, God would not be all-knowing. Does this reasoning seem sound to you? Consider what its logical consequences would be.

If some force has already determined your future, then trying to take care of yourself is useless. Choosing to smoke or not to smoke would make no difference to your health or that of your children. Wearing a seat belt while riding in an automobile would have no effect on your safety. But this is faulty logic. Statistics show that people who take precautions suffer fewer fatal consequences. Carelessness can result in tragedy.

Consider another line of reasoning. If God chooses to foreknow everything, then even before he made Adam and Eve, he would have known that they would disobey him. But when God told Adam that he must not eat from “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad” or he would die, did God already know that Adam would eat from it? (Genesis 2:16, 17) When God told the first couple: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth,” did he know that their wonderful prospect of life in a paradise was doomed to failure? Of course not.​—Genesis 1:28.

Taken to its logical conclusion, the idea that God foreknows all decisions would mean that he is responsible for all that happens​—including wars, injustices, and suffering. Is that possible? A clear answer is provided by what God says about himself.

“You Must Choose”

The Scriptures state that “God is love” and that he is “a lover of justice.” He has always urged his people: “Hate what is bad, and love what is good.” (1 John 4:8; Psalm 37:28; Amos 5:15) On numerous occasions he encouraged his loyal ones to choose a virtuous course. For example, when Jehovah concluded a covenant with the ancient nation of Israel, he said to them, through Moses: “I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring.” (Deuteronomy 30:19) Did God establish ahead of time the choice that those individuals would make? Evidently not.

Joshua, a leader of God’s people in ancient times, exhorted his countrymen: “Choose for yourselves today whom you will serve . . . As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah.” (Joshua 24:15) Similarly, God’s prophet Jeremiah said: “Obey, please, the voice of Jehovah in what I am speaking to you, and it will go well with you, and your soul will continue to live.” (Jeremiah 38:20) Would a just and loving God encourage people to do right in the hope of receiving a reward if he knew that they were destined to fail? No. Such encouragement would be hypocritical.

So when good or bad things happen in your life, it is not because these events are inevitable. Very often, ‘unforeseen occurrences’ are simply the consequences of other people’s decisions​—whether wise or unwise. (Ecclesiastes 9:11) No, your future is not planned out before you, and your own decisions determine what your everlasting future will be.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

▪ Did God decide ahead of time that Adam and Eve would sin?​—Genesis 1:28; 2:16, 17.

▪ What qualities of God rule out predestination?​—Psalm 37:28; 1 John 4:8.

▪ What responsibility do you have?​—Joshua 24:15.

I guess you are a Witness, and believe Yahweh isn't omniscient, right?

Dtruthspeaker:
As i said, you know your children will pass or fail jamb or will play football and may wound themselves, yet all these Knowings did not stop you from seeing.

Knowing and seeing aka watching are 2 different things.

Reread this thing you wrote. Does it make sense. Are you saying an omniscient god is second guessing himself?

Dantedasz:
It's like you do not understand what it means when you say something/somebody is OMNISCIENT!

Lol. I have had this debate with many Christians. They truly don't understand what omniscient is

MightySparrow:
There are no inadequacies in the Bible. If you are reading it for criticism, you can't grasp anything. Why is it that no christians agree with you. Yet, there are many Christians that have acquired more certificates than you. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had an D.Sc, not Honourary. Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi, etc are gifted eggheads. Paul Enenche, Uma Ukpai etc are medical doctors.
Don't just stay in one obscure corner and be playing all - wise.

1. I wanted to engage you on those lies and errors in the bible on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
But you turned tail and ran away, saying you don't engage atheists. Yet here you are engaging me cos this topic doesn't expose the Bible fvck ups
2. None of the Christians there on that thread could counter any of the errors and lies, and I haven't even finished the errors that I have in my archives. I kept the best for last
3. No. None of those pastors have more certificates than me. I have an MBBCH, plus others.
Pastor Chris Ph.Ds were all honorary, contrary to your claim.
Adeboye Oyedepo, Kumuyi have their basic qualifications
Paul Enenche is the only physician there while also contrary to your claims, Ukpai isn't a physician.
So lie another lie

Dtruthspeaker:
Knowing and seeing are 2 different things.

Eg you know your children shall pass or fail jamb yet you see what they shall do.

Wtf are you on?
If I, an omniscient being know something as a fact, why would I 'see what they shall do'?
That means I'm not even sure
And thus not omniscient

MightySparrow:
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Einstein prayed the traditional Hebrew prayer before gis death. There's a no known branches of science that are filled with atheists. Majority of them believe in one thing on the other.

1. No. Einstein isn't religious. And I just searched the internet and couldn't find any strong evidence he did any Hebrew prayer.
This is what I found.
He clarified however that, "I am not an atheist", preferring to call himself an agnostic, or a "religious nonbeliever." Einstein also stated he did not believe in life after death, adding "one life is enough for me." He was closely involved in his lifetime with several humanist groups
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein#:~:text=He%20clarified%20however%20that%2C%20%22I,lifetime%20with%20several%20humanist%20groups.

2. In fact, a Christian or religious scientist is an endangered specie.
Only 14.6 percent of the mathematicians embraced the God hypothesis (versus 5.5 percent of the biologists).

But here is something you probably didn’t know. Most mathematicians believe in heaven.
This is almost certainly based on a survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) regarding religious belief conducted in 1998 by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham, and published in Nature Magazine.

It's important to understand that membership in the National Academy of Sciences is by election only, and only the very top level, elite scientists make it in. A PhD is virtually a requirement, and most are very highly respected research scientists working in academia. Nearly 10% of the membership are Nobel Prize winners. So the viewpoints of this group concerning religion are almost certainly different from the more broad group you call "Scientists in the U.S.", which would include a much larger pool and which would probably be somewhat closer in their responses to the population as a whole.

The survey found that only 7% of NAS members (that responded to the survey) indicated a belief in a "personal god". 72.2% disbelieve in a personal god, and the remaining 20.8% expressed "doubt or agnosticism" towards the idea of a personal god.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/books/review/Holt-t.html#:~:text=Only%2014.6%20percent%20of%20the,Most%20mathematicians%20believe%20in%20heaven.