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AntiChristian:
I have added more holly spirit filled and capable Christian!

Miracles will surely happen in this thread!

I don't think so. They have avoided the thread like it's a lepers joint. Some have made half-hearted attempts at denigrating the topic that its out of context, yet cannot provide those texts. Even the guy that challenged me to open the thread Ken4Christ has gone AWOL since 4 days

FxMasterz:
We're not like you who always need lies and even more lies to defend the Quran. Anyone who reads the Bible would already see that the contents of the OP is a very poor attempt to make none contextual sentences appear as gafes. Thankfully, knowledgeable Christians who have graced this page have suplied the needed answers.

The major difference here is that in your own case, you become so shockingly embarrassed that you cannot provide any single answer to the issues raised in your Quran. In most cases you run and pretend as though the thread never happened.

Keep deceiving yourselves. Your job is to defend Islam at all cost even with its obvious lies. The end will tell.

The regular responses I get from Christian. Now tell him to pick just one out of context verse, and .. you'll encounter silence. 3 christians have made the same comments. When I asked them to pick out the out of context verses, they disappeared. Only 1 is attempting to pick them, and he's making a mess of the whole thing. Though I appreciate his effort

AntiChristian:
TenQ, advocatejare, shadeyinka, antiislam, fxmasterz, chibuezem, shamunn, mightysparrow, Righchannel,

This is where your full subscription Holly spirit is needed!

Na only Muslim dey your skull?

Dont mind those guys, especially TenQ. When atheists grill him, he'll be running away. He avoids these kinds of topics cos he'll get seriously drilled

SIRTee15:
Let's define all knowing God.
This doesn't mean he has a fixed destiny for u with definite outcome without any alternative. No that's not all knowing but pre-destination.
God only pre-destined for those who have commited their lives fully to him and surrendered to his will totally. His children who have said 'God take my soul, it's yours. Let your will be done in my life'
For the rest of mankind, God's desire is to bring us into his fold. He knows the pathway u taking will definitely lead to destruction if u continue in it- he knows those choices and the eventual outcome, either present or the future.
However he has another future for sinners if they can revert from their evil ways and turn to him. Thats a choice u have to make.
So according to above, God knows your future if you continur to disobey him but also knows a better future for u if u embrace him and come into his fold.
That is the meaning of all knowing God. He knows ALL THE CHOICES AVAILABLE, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT U WHICHEVER WAY U TURN and the eventual outcome. Nothing takes him by surprise.

Can you define destiny

SIRTee15:
Ok let me tell u why God made man.
God wanted beings that will obey and worship him because they choose to.
Celestial beings don't have that choice, they are all compelled to obey and worship God.
Now God gave man a soul that makes decision for him. Of course God wants us to worship him but he wants it to come from our free will. With the help of the spirit , it was meant to be obedience to God forever.
God gave Adam that choice in the garden. It was left for Adam to choose his path based on the leading of his soul.

1. Dude, i thought u said it wasn't Yahweh that made the soul?
2. Why did Yahweh create the tree of evil? And not only that, put it in the middle of the garden right where Adam would be admiring it?

SIRTee15:
See this one. Do u know where u will be in 2050. Do u know what decision u will make on 24/5/2026. Do u for certain where u will be on that day.
God already knows all possible choices available at your whim this time next year depending on how you choose to live your life now.

You're contradicting yourself. Think before typing

SIRTee15:
Sincerely your question isn't clear. Are u talking about decision make at a particular period in time.
God knows the end of all choices available at your whims but u will be the one to choose. Whichever one u choose, he knows the end.

Man doesn't have a fixed destiny. Like u will grow up and become an armed robber and then u will rob a bank one day and be shot by police officers and then die. Or this child will grow up and will definitely become the president of Nigeria- nothing can change it.
No, that's not Christianity. U confusing it with Islam.

Ok I wil repeat man's nature for the last time and that's it.
God made man as a being who is a made in God's image which is the spirit, has a soul given to him by God and lives in the body which is from earth.

I'm sorry to say this. But this doesn't make sense. Lets give an example.
I (Yahweh) know (not guessed) that my child(mankind) would run through the sitting room and not the kitchen, to meet me. Now I know he's going through the sitting room and not the kitchen, even if the kitchen is nearer to him. IT'S HIS DESTINY TO GO THROUGH THE SITTING ROOM he can't change it.

SIRTee15:
Then explain deut 30.19 when God says
I call heaven and earth to record this day
against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live,
God knows your decision at the point of making it because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
In Christianity, man doesn't have a fixed destiny he brought from heaven or a destiny stuck with him at birth. That's Islam.

Only spirit is from God, body is from earth and he gave man a soul. The soul isn't part of God.
Adam had knowledge and intelligence that came from God. How was he able to tend the soil and gives names without knowledge. Man desired wisdom to make him like GOd, that was his greed.
God doesn't think sin, it's against his nature. His thoughts for us are good and pure.
Adam had the choice to either obey God and live or disobey him and accept the consequence. It had nothing to do with God.

Actually its christians that dont understand what destiny is. It doesn't change. What you're destined for is irreversible

SIRTee15:
Then explain deut 30.19 when God says
I call heaven and earth to record this day
against you that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live,
God knows your decision at the point of making it because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
In Christianity, man doesn't have a fixed destiny he brought from heaven or a destiny stuck with him at birth. That's Islam.

Only spirit is from God, body is from earth and he gave man a soul. The soul isn't part of God.
Adam had knowledge and intelligence that came from God. How was he able to tend the soil and gives names without knowledge. Man desired wisdom to make him like GOd, that was his greed.
God doesn't think sin, it's against his nature. His thoughts for us are good and pure.
Adam had the choice to either obey God and live or disobey him and accept the consequence. It had nothing to do with God.

Actually its christians that dont understand what destiny is. It doesn't change. What you're destined for is irreversible

SIRTee15:
It meant inspired by God.

So it was inspired by Yahweh yet they still used terms that are nebulous and confusing to man?

SIRTee15:
We are in the dispensation of grace.

We?
Dude this happened in the old testament. Way before Jesus supposedly came.
Besides it was even stated in the new testament(where the 'dispensation of grace' was supposedly around) that anyone that sees yahweh's face dies.

SIRTee15:
The presence of God resides in them. That's his glory.
That's why people who touch the ark or enter the tabernacle without authority to do so are struck dead.

So you're saying Yahweh is everywhere in his church?

SIRTee15:
because he knows your heart and thoughts.
Answer to one of your previous post- God created only good desires for humanity. Evil desires came up when man fell and sin entered the world.

No. Yahweh created evil. He boasted of it himself

SIRTee15:
Give me evidence of a metastatic fungating cervical cancer that went into full remission, without any form of therapy.
Post the evidence here, I will like to see it.

Bro, the study of spontaneous remissions in carcinomas has been ongoing for decades. Many physicians worldwide have observed it and there are many well documented cases. It has absolutely no relationship with any religion, race or regions. And definitely not caused by Yahweh. Like I said twice before, there are many things we don't understand about cancers which come to light daily.
I'll post some links about reported cases here.
This is from an Oncology journal
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(19)63993-1/pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGycat5L_-AhWNxQIHHTLgCGcQFnoECCUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Ab6t0_He-TofYi8RSWUzo

The pdf reads…
Spontaneous remission of cancer (SR) is defined as a complete
or partial, temporary or permanent disappearance of all or at
least some relevant parameters of a soundly diagnosed malig-
nant disease without any medical treatment or with treatment
that is considered inadequate to produce the resulting regres-
sion. We report the case of a 61-year-old man who presented
with extensive metatastic disease five months after pneumo-
nectomy for poorly differentiated large cell and polymorphic
lung cancer. A vast metastatic tumour mass of the abdominal
wall was confirmed histolologically and there was clinical and
radiographic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Eight
months later, the patient was operated on for a hernia, which
had developed in the inguinal biopsy scar and the surgeon
confirmed complete clinical SR of the abdominal wall metas-
tases. Again five months later there was no longer any radio-
logic evidence of liver and lung metastases. Complete remis-
sion has persisted more than five years. Histology of the
primary and of the abdominal metastases were reviewed by
several independent pathologists. SR is an extremly rare event
in lung cancer. This is the first documented case of clinically
evident visceral metastases of a bronchiogenic adenocarci-
noma developing after complete resection of the primary
and then showing complete SR. The epidemiology of SR is
reviewed and possible mechanisms involved in SR are dis-
cussed.

This is another instances
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9402178/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353036355_The_spontaneous_remission_of_cancer_Current_insights_and_therapeutic_significance

https://www.curetoday.com/view/inflammatory-biomarkers-from-lung-cancer-depression-may-predict-survival-outcomes

https://bmcpulmmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12890-019-0978-4


All the above from scientific Journals, not hearsays
My point is spontaneous remissions occur whether people pray to your Yahweh or not. Get that

SIRTee15:
Yes but only the spirit is made in his image.
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
Do u know God has numbers for each strand of our hair. He's aware of that leaves that dropped off the branch in the thickest forest. There's no choice u make that's he's not aware.

You did not read in the bible where yahweh was astonished at man's wickedness? Really?

SIRTee15:
Yes but only the spirit is made in his image.
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
Do u know God has numbers for each strand of our hair. He's aware of that leaves that dropped off the branch in the thickest forest. There's no choice u make that's he's not aware.

Lol.
You still dont understand.
IF YAHWEH KNOWS THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE UP THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD MAKE HEAVEN, WHAT'S THE USE OF GIVING US FREE WILL?

Lemme repeat my question. Please answer

1. Who created the concept of death for sin? Yahweh. Is it possible for him to forgive as an omnibenevolent god? Yes. There you go! A god that does not want to forgive the sin of his creations but instead imposes the law that they die or he kills his own son to appease himself for their sins. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS NOT OMBIBENEVOLENT?

2. There is further indictment for Yahweh. He purportedly created humans and the earth, including evil too , so why is he angry at the outcome of his creations?
Besides he is omniscient so knows how Lucifer would deceive and con Adam via the tree of knowledge, yet he went ahead to create both Lucifer and the tree(he even gave the tree luscious fruits and kept it in the middle of the Garden where Adam and Eve would be able to admire it) and got angry when the inevitable happened.
3. You seem not to understand the plot. Yahweh knew all along that man would sin again after even after he destroys us with the flood. So why kill everyone in the first place? Why not kill his son first ab initio instead of the flood, since he is so bloodthirsty

SIRTee15:
Your mentions too many to keep up. Same thing dancing around in circles. Now u ve jumped to original sin and why Christ didn't come earlier.
Let me ask you question. if Christ had come b4 the flood, what would have changed? Are u assuming there will be no judgement because Christ came earlier. Now that he had come, are u aware Jesus is coming back to enforce justice on the disobedient like yourself.
Christ came at the right time, when man had realised the carnal flesh cannot successfully fulfill the law, thus appreciating the work of Christ on the cross.

Finally u and maynman need to understand God has given man a choice via his soul. God made man with his own independent will- God will not make a decision for man.
Whatever decision man makes, God knows the outcome right from the beginning, but God will not force his will on mankind even if it's self destructive. You have to responsible for the choice u make so u can be rightly judged.
That's what set man apart and unique from other God's creation like angels, the right to make a choice- freewill.

After the flood, man had 2 choices, to repent and obey God or to revert to their evil ways of disobedience.
Your erroneous assumption here is to conclude God should know they will continue to sin so the previous judgement was a waste.
But even if God judges the world a million times, the next man would still be given that right to make a choice of who to follow. That's why he's a man and that's the only way his impending judgement can be deemed fair.
Understanding above answers a lot of your other questions.

Again you dodged the elephant in the room. Go back to my post and reread it. Is that your answer sufficient for it?

SIRTee15:
because bible called who they saw Man. In case of Moses and the elders, they saw the feet of the physical image of God and they described it, they also had a meal together.

because God revealed himself to them.

Already answered. U are very dishonest here.

1. Moses saw only the feet? Is it possible to see only a man's feet and not the rest of the body? If you see a person, which part of the body do you get attracted to? How can people dine with someone's feet? Really?
2. He revealed himself without showing his face? Which part did he reveal?
3. You're the dishonest one here. Lemme repeat. Jacob saw the face of Yahweh. How come he survived? You didn't answer this

SIRTee15:
Bible said so, noah was the only righteous man on earth at that time. For all the people had corrupted their ways and became very violent. Gen 6.12.


Did I mention noah warned anybody?


Of course it will. Who will want his head chopped off on a block. I doubt u will last a day in the midst of those hyenas. The era of noah was hundred times worse.

Yes, we sure have more than one righteous man now. And men of good morals abound.
God protected Noah.
it was a small boat and it took him 50 years to build. That was enough time for couple of guys and women to finish the work.

1. It wasn't mentioned anywhere in the bible that Yahweh warned the whole world
2. Can 2 men chop up and carry large trees? How did Noah get all they animals in the world, from polar bears, T-rexes, mammoths etc?

SIRTee15:
What did I dodge from u or u avoided some of mine.

I said this
How can you say they were taken out of context when you didn't even bother to read it due to its length? You say the bible is not the direct word of God but the same god said these
And you didn't reply.

Also we have been asking you why an omniscient god would be surprised or regret, but youve been dodging that

SIRTee15:
So what's inside the ark of God and the tabernacle? What's the cloud during the day and pillar of fire at night that follows the Israelites.
Stephen was talking to fellow Jews like himself who understood what he meant.
Before u criticise the bible, pls do yourself a favour and actually study it, not just doing copy and paste.

The cloud and pillar are not inside the ark. They are outside and can be physically seen. The Ark of the Covenant is a gold-plated wooden chest that, in Jewish and Christian tradition, houses the two tablets bearing the Ten Commandments that were given to Moses by Yahweh.
So I don't even know what you're on about

SIRTee15:
You are just been disingenuous. U deliberately skipped the earlier verses Gen 32.24-29 which states a man came to wrestle Jacob and later blessed him. Jacob encountered a man whom he later realised was God.

I know all that. So why didn't god smite him?

SIRTee15:
Pls go back to my first post, your answer is there. Bible writers ascribe words to God as they understand those words and events. It's left for us to discern the real intent by reading in context which is what I have done.

So if a Bible writer say Yahweh is refreshing then they are using words the way they understand?
So why did the bible claim its word is breathed by god when in fact it was all written by man? Isn't that criminal?

SIRTee15:
Read my post with comprehension then come back and discuss

I read it. You choose to believe what your brain told you to believe

SIRTee15:
2. Nope.
But common be real. So u expecting chemo and radio to do the magic for a metastatic cancer. It makes them worse if anything. Esp in Nigeria where adjuvant treatment support is poor.
Look here, the woman has received her healing, let's move on.
I can tell u another one I witnessed in uch if u interested. I get them plenty for pocket. MIRACLE IS REAL.

Bro if you have been following my posts, I said remissions happen to everyone, including Muslims, Atheists etc, those that never prayed to Yahweh. So I don't understand what you are pointing at. Its not Yahweh that caused it. I told you that we scientists don't understand everything about these diseases, especially mitotic lesions

RamseyKush:
See them forming wannabe atheist

And you be wanna be chrissie

teebagy:
The devil begot evil.

Nope. Its good ol' yahweh, the goody goody god
Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things
You chrissies need to read your Bible more. Don't allow atheists to be schooling you all the time

Ken4Christ:
It's on account of his mercy that he saved us. But it will require your cooperation to make it vital in your life. Well, the choice is yours. If you think it's a joke, I wish you severe torture in the burning flame since that's what you want.

Actually the Flying Spaghetti Monster is gonna fry you chrissies for daring to deny his existence

teebagy:
God doesent create evil. God warned adam not to eat from d tree of death and knowing good and evil but to eat from the other trees but adam and eve disobeyed GOD Through satan. Thats y god departed from them and sent them out of d garden.

At the bolded, unfortunately youre wrong. And this is a KJV

Isaiah 45:7
King James Version
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things

Besides Yahweh basically forced adam to eat that fruit. Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he allowed Satan(an omnipresent and omnipotent being) to finish the job of tempting Adam? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice? And then went ahead to rain curses in the poor dude.

teebagy:
God could have done that but he would have created a robot. Once u have frewill u choose ur destination and accept d consquences of ur action. But GOD Is love and gives us chances to repent.

So lets from genesis.
So Yahweh created the whole world, right?
There's Eden. He then made a tree of knowledge, and guess what? Planted it right in the middle of the garden. Yahweh knew Adam was gonna fail but planted this forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden with luscious fruits, to distract and tempt Adam. Gave him a partner that would make the temptation very hard to pass up. Then to make matters worse, he allowed Satan(an omnipresent and omnipotent being) to finish the job of tempting Adam? Then when man fails, he turns around to blame him of making the wrong choice? And then went ahead to rain curses in the poor dude.
Are you seeing how Yahweh stacked up the odds against poor Adam. Almost as if he wants the dude to fail.

Here is an analogy. You(yahweh) sent your son(Adam) to school(garden of eden) and paid a bully(Satan) to distract and beat the child, so he'll fail in school? I used the word 'paid' because he Satan is an upgraded being, having those powers handed to him by Yahweh. Whats his target? A puny Adam, a regular mortal with no powers whatsoever

teebagy:
When u are giving freewill u choose d path u follow. I cannot create something and want that something to have a free will then now hide bad that exist bcoz i dont want that person to b bad.. That makes that person a robot not a human. D devil rebelled against God bcoz he had free will to. Humans rebelled against God bcoz they choose d devil over him. Have u seen any scientist that create a robot and give it freewill. Bcoz someone that has freewill is truly alive and has emotions. Just like in the movie avengers when ultron got freewill through the mindstone ultron choose to rebel against his master bcoz ultron had a choice.

Do you know what free will is? If I ask you to choose between 2 flavors of ice cream 🍨 vanilla and strawberry, but that vanilla go purge you, what choice would you pick?