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Ken4Christ:
Instead of making a mockery at God, think about yourself. You will find it funny when you are thrown into hell. You are neglecting the free gift of salvation offered to you.

That salvation aint free. I'll have to give out my brain for Yahweh hold

teebagy:
Humans and d devil did. Darkness is an absent of light just d same way death is d absence of life.

Who created evil?

Ken4Christ:
He hasn't sent him to the Lake of Fire. That will be in the future when his right has expired and he is judged.

Does the devil and his legal team know this? I hear they are prepping a motion for Yahweh to return to status quo and not throw him into hell

Ken4Christ:
The devil is operating with the legal right given to him by Adam. And it will be unjust for God to infringe on his right.

Even when a demon saw Jesus, the demon made an appeal to God that Jesus should not torment them before their time.

As for God's children, if you know your rights, the devil cannot oppress you. Rather, you put the devil where he belongs.

I hope the devil would sue Yahweh for all he has got when Yahweh infringes on the Devil's god given rights. Its not right for Yahweh to just throw the devil into a burning flame. Thats first degree murder

Ken4Christ:
All these gains are at the expense of your soul. You don't value the salvation of your soul. You won't take those wealth with you at death. You will weep and gnash your teeth for the rest of your life. Is this the destiny you prefer. After one million years of torment, you just started because it has no end.

Nah bro, Flying Spaghetti Monster got my soul. Its you christians that would boil in the Eternal Pasta 🍝 because Yahweh was created by His Noodly Limbs

SIRTee15:
Let's just go to number 4. The rest are mere speculations from your sides.
Why do you want to know the hospital. Do u know any Nigerian hosp that has successfully managed a stage 4 advanced cervical cancer.

Radio or chemo in benue state for stage 4 cervical cancer. I want to believe u work in a teaching hospital in Nigeria where u people just throw everything at patient anyhow. Someone that's dying, u will be telling the family to pay 100k for ICU, 50k for CT scan, 100k for theatre.
That's not how general or private hospital operates. She was referred anyway but didn't go.

That's what we offered her but when we explained to family it's just to reduce the fungating smell and help with quality of life but not really to cure the cancer, they took her away.

1. You said all I said was speculation? How do you know?
2. I know stage 4 CAs falls into palliative care. But they still receive chemo and radio. My question is was she on those treatments before they took her away?

SIRTee15:
If it doesn't bother u that there was only one good fellow on earth at a particular time, then it showed u just here to argue blindly.
I asked If u could survive in sambisa as the only good person, u avoided the question.
Someone like u will start shouting insecurity in Nigeria when it's only sporadic cases of kidnapping, armed robbery and thuggery. But Noah lived in an era when everyone around him was evil and scheming wickedness.
U kept hammering on a needless point instead of reading gen 11.6 as I instructed u.
Pls don't expect a response from me anymore unless your argument is constructive. From conspiracy theories to sounding like a playing cracked disc.

Lol. This is just a perfect Ignorance of Obfuscation statement. Obviously you're intent on dodging questions here. You dodged some from me and now dodging some more questions.

SIRTee15:
Read my previous post with comprehension and then Gen 11.6.

You're further indicting Yahweh and committing heresy. You're simply saying Yahweh is not omniscient

SIRTee15:
I'm sure if they tell u to go and live in sambisa, u will rather take the alternative no matter denigrating it is. Good thing is places like sambisa is less than 5% of the whole earth. That shows u how humanity is different from the time of Noah when only one man was a good person.

What has living in Sambissa gotta do with this discourse

SIRTee15:
After the flood, humanity once again pressed the self destruct button in a mighty hunter called Nimrod. His generation disobeyed God's command to replenish and multiply on the earth, a command he gave after the flood.
Instead, humanity gathered together in babel and wanted to build a legacy for themselves which would prevent them from scattering over the face of the earth. Gen 11.4
God knew this action is not only disobedience and rebellion, but also the beginning of their lack of restrain of whatever they imagine themselves to do Gen 11.6.
But God had already promised not to wipe off humanity again. Rather than allow men wallow in wickedness and sin, He scattered them from there all over the earth by forcing people of different languages to live apart. Gen 11.8-9

This tower of Babel story always crack me up whenever I hear it. Yahweh was hoping mad when they wanted to create a tower that is maybe 100 feet high. So what is he doing now folks are building skyscrapers and worse still, bursting out of the sky and hiking to the moon? Is he gonna have an apoplexy?

SIRTee15:
Yes God loves us but also chastise us. He whom God loves, he chastens and scourge whom he receives. Hebrew 12.6
Moreover, the wages of sin is death- either physical or spiritual and God will certainly pass judgement against those who disobey him.
GOD wont stand by and allow corruption engulfs that which he created. That's exactly what happened during the time of the flood.

The earth was populated by Nephilim in those days, they were giants, powerful people and men of renown. Unfortunately, their inclination was perpetually towards evil, their wickedness completely dominated humanity.
Gen 6.5 states 'every thought of the human heart was only evil all the time'. So bad there was only one righteous man on earth- Noah.
It was nothing like what we have today- I'm sure you wont want to live in such civilisation. Ordinary boko haram, Nigeria was already on fire.

God initial judgement was to limit the age of mankind to 120 yrs hoping this will trigger repentance, but they were unperturbed, the corruption continued. It was obvious humanity will be lost if God didn't intervene and initiate a fresh start.

The story of the flood is not about God eradicating sin but saving humanity. It's also to serve as a warning for future generation of GOD'S judgement and to take a cue from the evil inclination of 'sons of GOD' in ancient times. Humans must understand their impending doom if we do not comprehend the need for repentance and salvation. 1 Cor 10.11, Mat 24.37-39.

You completely left the topic of our discourse and entered another one. Could it be you are evading?
Concerning your raised topics….
1. Who created the concept of death for sin? Yahweh. Is it possible for him to forgive as an omnibenevolent god? Yes. There you go! A god that does not want to forgive the sin of his creations but instead imposes the law that they die or he kills his own son to appease himself for their sins. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS NOT OMBIBENEVOLENT?

2. There is further indictment for Yahweh. He purportedly created humans and the earth, including evil too , so why is he angry at the outcome of his creations?
Besides he is omniscient so knows how Lucifer would deceive and con Adam via the tree of knowledge, yet he went ahead to create both Lucifer and the tree(he even gave the tree luscious fruits and kept it in the middle of the Garden where Adam and Eve would be able to admire it) and got angry when the inevitable happened.
3. You seem not to understand the plot. Yahweh knew all along that man would sin again after even after he destroys us with the flood. So why kill everyone in the first place? Why not kill his son first ab initio instead of the flood, since he is so bloodthirsty.

SIRTee15:
How do u know God doesn't use lightning and thunder to communicate his words. Have u spoken to all men of God today to confirm?
Besides in the new covenant we now have the holy spirit in us that constantly communicates. We don't have to wait for rain like sango worshippers b4 hearing from God. That's the privilege we enjoy but absent in the old covenant. The spirit actually has to descend to communicate to the prophets.

I don't need to disclose my field of work.

But explain to me this so called cancer regression in an elderly woman with advanced fungating stage 4 cervical cancer with cachetic body. If u have actually been with someone described above, u will know how badly they smell that they are normally isolated on the ward.
This was a woman I saw few months later and was completely healthy. I didn't even recognise her.
I was using style to ask her daughter who was with her how's her mum because I believed she would have been dead. Only for her to tell me the person I'm asking after is actually the one beside her. To say I was shocked was an understatement.
This happened in Benue state. She was taken to a popular man of God in NIgeria for prayers. My opinion of that man of God changed after that experience.

1. How do you know Yahweh still interacts with lightning and thunder? Has he been doing such with you?
2. I'm sure you must have seen or heard several people commit all sorts of crimes ranging from fornication or adultery to murder, and then claim they had an unction from the holy spirit to do it. Does your holy spirit authorize such? If you say no, then you're saying that such 'unctions' can be faked.
3. No problem if you don't wanna talk about your work
4. About the stage 4 cervical CA, I have some questions
A. Which hospital was that?
B. Was she on chemo/radio?
C. Was a debulking op done on her?

SIRTee15:
Do u know the difference between rhema and logos.
God still speaks to people to this day, he's never silent- That's rhema. While Logos is the written word of God in the bible.

Let me ask u a question, have u ever witnessed a miracle before in your life. I mean a phenomenal change in circumstances that defies any reasonable logic.
By virtue of working in the medical field, I've witnessed real miracles. Not just in Nigeria but in developed countries where medicine is advanced and lot of things can be medically explained.
The foolish say there's no God. It's not new, they said so when David wrote the psalm more than 4 thousand years ago.
The strongest evidence to the existence of YAHWEH is RHEMA. Rhema is active and continues to transform lives as evidence by miraculous witnesses.

1. Why does Yahweh use thunder and lightning to speak to people in the bible, but now only speaks personally these days? Why does he appear to people back then but nobody dey see him brake lights these days? Why does he display his might by sending down fire from heaven but these days its a problem?
Now you're using jargons like Rhema which is a term many Christians call different things. With all this rhema have you seen an amputee limb regrow?
2. About your question, I haven't seen any life miracle. And yes also I work in the medical field. I'm a 17 year post housejob physician and yet haven't seen any of the miracle you talk about. Diseases relapse and regress, and it doesn't have any supernatural connotations because it also happens to non-christians and people that don't pray to your god. And also those cancer remissions can also relapse. And we don't know everything about diseases. We are still researching.
Please which specific medical field are you in?
3. We're used to being called foolish because we don't acknowledge your god. Yet the joke is on you

SIRTee15:
The bible makes it clear that God is neither weary nor slumber.
Jesus debunked your claim when he was accused of not resting on the Sabbath. He said 'My father in heaven is working to this very day, I too am working ' John 4.17-18.
Jesus is directly from heaven, he will know if God rest on the 7th day, and he's clearly saying here that he doesn't. There's no rest in heaven, that settles the matter.
God took time to take pleasure in his work on the 7th day he created the earth. It was a mandate for us to do the same not for him.
Besides, heaven is eternal. Attaching a timeline to heaven is redefining heaven as a finite abode. That's incorrect.

Did you read the part where the bible clearly stated Yahweh was refreshing (or recuperating like some versions)?

SIRTee15:
No man can see God because he's a spirit, he's invisible and can't be seen with naked eye. Only Jesus has seen God. John 1.18
But the FF people saw God physically - Adam, Abraham, possibly Sarah, Jacob, Moses and Israel elders.
Apart from Adam who possibly saw God as a spirit man, the rest saw God in man's fallen state which is impossible.
What they saw was God entering man to manifest his purpose. They saw a physical body filled with the divine nature of God. Just like Jesus Christ.
That's why it makes no sense when people reject Jesus as God because he's a man. The scriptures clearly shows that God can become a man if he so desires as evidenced in the old testament.

Interesting
1. So how is this physical man that those people saw? Did any of them describe him? How did you SirTee know as a fact that they saw a physical man?
2. How did those people know that this physical man was in fact god?
3. Look at this
◄ Genesis 32:30 ►
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared
Its obvious Jacob saw yahweh and lived even though he knows its a death sentence. Why was he spared?

SIRTee15:
Pls study shikenah glory, u will understand the verses better.
God doesn't dwell physically in temple building but his glory dwells in physical structures. However his glory has departed from the temples and now dwells in us when we accept Jesus Christ as our personal saviour.

Did you read the verses at all? Did he use the word shekinah?

SIRTee15:
Most of what of you wrote are taken completely out of context by taking a word and extrapolating your own meaning.
The bible is not the direct word of God, no Christian ever said it is. Rather bible authors wrote the scriptures influenced by the understanding of their times and circumstances albeit inspired by the holy spirit.
That's why the bible say the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinth 3.4-6.

Your list is definitely is too long to waste time explaining each. I'm sure most people didn't bother to read it all. However, if highlight few per post, then we can give appropriate response.

Now the one repeated here is like when the bible say do not grief the holy spirit.
The God knows the end right from the beginning, so he's not surprised when man falls into sin.
However, he's still grieved because God loves us so much that it hurts him when we turn away from him and embrace sin.
God remain faithful to us even when we are faithless to him because he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2.13.
He's a forever loving God, thus it hurts when his children disobeys him because that wasn't the original intention.

1. You're repeating the regular excuses christians give even though you didn't even bother to read them. I initially didn’t want to create this topic because the errors were many, but a Christian in another thread challenged me and said the Bible is perfect, and urged me to create a topic about it if I have any evidence. So I did it. And the problem is that's not all of the errors. Its now 2 days and that same christian that prompted me to put up the topic hasn't even responded.
2. How can you say they were taken out of context when you didn't even bother to read it due to its length? You say the bible is not the direct word of God but the same god said these…

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Jeremiah 36:2
Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nations, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day

Exodus 24:3-4
Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the Lord has spoken we will do.” And Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord

Why are you christians quick to throw the Bible under the bus when its being scrutinized? . 2 christians have already done so in this thread. Why? Without this same Bible would you have known about Yahweh?

3. I have had a few discourse with someone before you. You can start from those ones he highlighted and debate, since they are specific.

4. So yahweh knew man would still fall into sin again after he previously destroyed the earth for being sinful. So why destroy the earth in the first place? Looks like he is a trigger happy god

OkCornel:
You’re sounding like Pilate right now, lol

I hope I don’t get crucified eventually

Dont derail. Again I ask, what is this truth?

crows2ravens:
Other writers and authors too have referenced Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul and Peter, etc. over the centuries. Enormous amounts of references, both from ancient and modern authors. Many of the original texts and scrolls in the Bible are preserved in a Jerusalem in Israel, and some in the Vatican library. Those too are extant. It's no different from what you're saying. The fact that you don't know this is a proof that you're arguing blindly about something you have no information about. So stop posting misleading statements.

And yes, no point quoting you. You've made up your mind to deny God.

Those original texts are the Dead Scrolls. Do you know who wrote them?

Nawttiboi007:
Guy kindly just shut up and stop fooling yourself publicly on this platform.. ur comments are just so indespecable

Comparing both of your posts shows who is empty. You haven't given a shred of evidence of quoted any historians or scholars. Only thing you've been doing is mouthing insults

crows2ravens:
How can you prove the existence of Aristotle? Or Archimedes? Or Cicero?

You don't know what you're saying. There's a host of people in history that you can't prove their existence by archeological artifacts apart from their writings, we know Jesus's disciples by their writings too. The only ones you can prove are kings and emperors because of preserved tombs and coins. I don't have time to argue with you. Either you believe or not! Don't disturb other people because they don't follow your line of thought.

You guys make cheap arguments to debate established facts. You know nothing about the bible you're attempting to discredit, apart from hearsay by those misleading you.
How can you discuss what you don't know?

Aristotle etc have been proven to exist. There are painting and bust images of them. There are historical evidence too.
Can we say there were contemporary history of Jesus? No.
You said you know jesus disciples by their writings? Do you know their writings if you see it? Did you read the part of history that says the story of Jesus was written centuries after it supposedly happened? Is that too hard for you to grasp?

crows2ravens:
Don't you know the meaning of compiled? Matthew and co. are the eyewitnesses that wrote the gospels. Their works were later combined with those of others to make up the new testament of the bible. Isaiah scrolls had survived thousand years before it was added to a compilation of books called the Bible. These are just few examples.
The bible is a compilation of different books written at different times, not just passed down stories.
Apparently, you've never read a Bible before, not even out of curiosity to verify your thoughts, and neither have you read about how the bible came into existence. Your arguments show you lack the relevant information. And I won't be the one to inform you, go and find out by yourself.

Dont you understand? None of them were first hand or eye witness account. Some were gotten from the Dead Scrolls

DeepSight:
You don't seem to have grasped the pith of what I am saying.

I am not putting the Bible forward as a singular work. It is not even a singular work. It is a compilation of many disparate works.

My point is, there are hundreds of writings about Jesus, only four are included in the bible.

Why are all those writings automatically disqualified simply because they are religious. There are too many to discountenance and they are not all in the Bible.

Furthermore, there are books in the Bible that are not just of a religious nature. Several books chronicle events that can be shown to be historical, such as the destruction of Jerusalem. I don't think it makes sense to dismiss everything there on the simple ground that it's religious writing.

I would not do thia even for the Vedas. Look, I would not do it even for writings presumed to be myths suxh as the writings about Troy by Homer. We should research carefully rather than make blanket presumptions.

Mind you, I do not believe the Bible to be innerrant truth, and it is not my creed by any stretch of the imagination nor do I believe in the concept of God it advances, which I consider hideous.

Movies about Spiderman show the Statue of Liberty in New York. Does it mean Spiderman is real?

SeniorMan715:
You must be a quack Physician

Why do you say so?

logicalhumour:
Well, me, I'm an actual medical student. After studying Embryology and DNA-related Biochemistry, I realize we'll NEVER be able to comprehend the kind of intelligence that went into what we call "our" DNA today.

A mind blowing differentiation occurs in the process of making a human, starting from Cleavage. You know the size of a cell, and yes, the whole you was once about that size. Starting from when the Morula is formed (please Google my terms if you need to), every tiny "sub-cellular" entity in the zygote acts like they have brains on their own. I can confidently tell you that when forming Zana's children's physiques, these "cells" were able to tell that it was a deprecated version, and chose to go the other way.

I know it seems like you know too much to yourself, but after learning deep Embryology and related topics about the way our cells differentiate during formation, you'll realize that you know nothing! It's not just you, me too. We weren't made to comprehend these things, the farther and deeper you go, the angrier you become: one of the sole reason I've refused to procreate in this life. I might change my mind, but for now it seems to me that I'm running a fö0l's errand.

So, in summary, OP isn't as dvmb as you think. The more you know, the clearer OP gets. Lol.

I'm glad I'm now talking with a medic. Bro, I don't need to Google up stuff. I'm a physician of 16 years in the trenches. Agreed, embryology and genetics are branches of science with needs more research. Everything in life is determined by your DNA. In the case of Zana, there was a possible DNA aberration, which led to coding of the different protein.
So I don't understand how this makes the OP's case smarter. He and his bunch are busy witchhunting me, reason I left the thread

MaxInDHouse:
Go and settle your troubles with your friends in the below thread then you can come back to Jehovah's Witnesses!
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

I have no issues there. As you can see the last post there is mine

Dtruthspeaker:
Every normal person can discern which report is given by men and which was given by God.

Yet theyre were all combined and handed to us as the word of god

OkCornel:
As I’ve mentioned earlier, the truth cannot be limited to any book.

Any difficulty comprehending this?

What is this truth?

Ken4Christ:
You don't know what you are missing until you give your life to Christ. The life is real. It's a better life and a supernatural life.

Is that all you have to say?
Okay. Lemme tell you advantages of being an atheist over being a Christian.
1. You get all the fine babes. Babes don't look at broke ass christians. We atheists are the bomb.
2. We are money magnets. Just look at the finest houses around. Its owned by atheists.
3. We have supernatural health. We don't even get sick. In fact Christians flock to our homes asking us what we are doing right.
I'll update you as we progress

Ken4Christ:
Resist the devil and he will flee from you - James 4:7.

Who does the resisting? You

Who does Satan flee from? You

God is too big to be contending with the devil.

At the set time, he will be punished and thrown into the Lake of Fire.

He's too big to be contending with the devil? Yet he watches on with his popcorn as this same devil(that he created) and he's bigger than oppresses his people

Ever8090:
then this Is my proof that God exist...

A picture of a priest is proof of yahweh's existence?

Ever8090:
I am done with you, I better go discus with a chicken or even a cement block than waste my time talking to you....

Your dumb brain is better suited for those subjects. Idiot