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MightySparrow:
Yọu aren't actually right. Isaac Newton is a colossus in the field of science, he wrote exposition on the prophecy of Daniel, Michael Faraday was an organist in his church very devoted, he gave us electricity you are enjoying today, he rejecteed the honour given to him by the Queen, he wasa a devoted Christian. Humphrey Davy, and a host of others. Our own man Gabriel Oyibo whose work in the Theory of Everything (GAGUT) is still under scrutiny for possible Alfred Nobel prize is a devoted Christian.
Aso, I will be striving to be my best in both.

Religion has not proven God wrong. We, both scientists and religionists have limitations when we talk about knowledge, we are both searching.

You totally misunderstand me. Did their religious mind interfere with their scientific mind? No. Lemme explain. Newton didn’t say 'This Apple fall to the ground because god did it' instead he investigated it. Besides I told you he isn't a Christian. He repeatedly distanced himself from the idea of a personal God. He refused a tradition Jewish burial. All in all, not very religious.
About Davy, I couldn't get anything religious about him apart from this quote 'Davy believed that understanding science would allow man to control the world around him, beginning an uneasy tension between science and religion'
All in all, you totally ignored the fact there are more atheists and agnostic scientists and that they have made the world better

MightySparrow:
Check it. He is the only God that tells us about the beginning even the first man and woman, the parents of all human beings with names and location. He is the only God that hàs written the programme of the earth in prophecies and has proven correct till now. He is the only one that has talked about everything happening now. He is the only God that personality shows Himself to people to convert them when necessary. He is the only one that walked His own through all civilizations and has record in history. His name is I Am. Hallelujah!

1. How did he write the creation story in the Bible? Did he use pen and paper?
2. Which specific prophecies have come to pass? Besides many non christians have made prophesies that happened better than the Bible. I hope you know Covid was prophesied by non christian book but no christian book or prophet saw it
3. How did Yahweh talk about what's happening now?
4. He showed himself only in the bible and subsequently has been doing a good job of hiding from us
5. What do u mean walking his own?

God is truly mighty, see as atheists keep hallucinating about someone they claim does not exist.

Same way you lot hallucinate on Islamic threads. In fact there are more christians in islamic threads than the muslims themselves. Reason why Seun had to separate you guys

TheMadame:
Education. Many of us attended missionary schools.
Like I said don't throw away the baby with the bath water even if religion has its evident flaws that can mostly be attributed to the leadership.

True. Thats a good one. Though I didn’t attend it

TheMadame:
Without prejudice to your points you do not throw away the baby with the bath water. Religion and the bible do have their uses and have shaped civilisations.

I hope you know slavers use the Bible to back their act

DrLiveLogic:
No. And god never told anyone they need a book to determine right and wrong. The conscience does that. And just as you believe in a conscience you can't see, it is possible to realise god without seeing him.
The reason for giving laws is that laws on a paper are like a document that's untampered with. However, just like you are imperfect, and imperfection affects your memory, intelligence and all. So does your imperfection tamper with your conscience, hence the need for a document for universal reference

Yahweh told some people to stone some people to death for having foreskin and working on sabbath. How do you see that

joyandfaith:
At the that time, your gods of science thought earth was flat and had no idea about water cycle but Bible put that in simple sentence that people would understand. Bible is not a scientific book. is that not amazing.
Ancient medical doctors had little or no knowledge of germs and pathogens. Egyptians used such “remedies” as lizard blood, pelican dung, dead mice, urine, and moldy bread. Human as well as animal excrement was also commonly used in their medical procedures.
The ancient Egyptians picked up a variety of parasites from the contaminated waters of the Nile River and its irrigation canals. Likewise, many infants in Egypt died of diarrhea and similar disorders caused by contaminated food.
can u show any ancient book that touches matter of water cycle, earth being circle not flat and health matter?

That JW book you copied this is dead wrong. They are feeding you with poison. Ancient Egyptians knew much about science and technology. Do you know the pyramids came before your Bible was supposedly written?

More evidence of the unscientific nature of the Bible which these JW and Christians lie about
Matthew 13:31 Another parable put he [Jesus] forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Matthew 13:32:1 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.[4]

This argues that Jesus was wrong because there are smaller seeds in existence, like the orchid. One attempt to rationalise this, used by J. P. Holding [5] is to use a process called illegitimate totality transfer, where a single possible meaning out of many for a specific word in the original text is argued to be the only possible translation solely because it supports the inerrantist viewpoint: in this case, translating the Greek mikros (root of "microscopic" as "least" (5 other uses in the KJV, 5 least / less in the NAS) rather than little or small (20 uses for these two in the KJV, 41 references to something small in the NAS). It is difficult to make sense of the suggested translation: in what sense is mustard the "least" of seeds, compared to, say, the seeds of weeds? How is the seed useless if it grows into something great? And given the other half of the sentence refers to the mustard becoming tall, it makes no sense to say the first part is an "evaluation of worth" as Holding does. Holding also ignores that least is a synonym for smallest in English as well, so his totality transfer doesn't even solve his problem. Many non-KJV translations have outright rejected this attempted rationalisation and simply translate mikros as "smallest" in this case.

The NIV at one point took a more active stance of shoving the word "your" into the verse with no real precedent, but this was regarded as so unacceptable that the 2011 edition removed it.

Some versions refer to the mustard as a "shrub", which Holding characterises as an incorrect translation, claiming the word used (Lachanon) only means "vegetable" or "herb." This cunning argument is a win unless anyone happens to take the radical step of looking at Strong's Concordance, in which case one will find it has one other meaning he's not bothering to tell us about. Hm, "garden plant", but clearly "shrub" is a completely unacceptable translation because he says so.

A second problem is that the Bible incorrectly states mustard grows into a tree: rather than trying to BS his way out of this with the Lexicon or Concordance (because there are no alternate meanings for the word used), Holding takes the "it was right back then" approach by claiming that mustard would be classified as a tree because it is tall, ignoring that it never looks remotely like a tree: we're apparently just supposed to believe him that the classification system used to work this way. And one would think Jesus, being the guy who created trees and all, would know what was and was not one.

Ant behavior
Proverbs 6:6-8 (Willibrord) The English translation would look something like this:

6:6 Look at the ant, you lazy bum, watch her behavior and become wise.

6:7 She has no captain, no supervisor, no ruler,

6:8 but she makes sure that she has food in the summer and safeguards her food during harvest

The idea that the ant is an individual animal that does everything herself simply isn't true from a biological standpoint. Ants live in a colony with many subdivisions, which include workers and queens. Most ants in reality do only have one mission and that is to make sure that their queen is fed and alive to pass on the genes to a succeeding population. So, in a sense, worker ants do have rulers and the ant population does survive as a population, where every individual is dependent on another.

The Earth was created in 6 days…. How was the days being ascertained?
Adam and Eve. Genetics. Why don't i have 6 toes and 7 fingers? How does this explain Asians, Blacks, Native Americans, and white people?
Noah. Um…how did he get snakes and cats to not eat the mice, and other natural predators like lions and tigers and bears not eat him and his wife and kids. Oh my! And seriously wtf did Noah do about termites and bees, wasps and tarantulas, and poisonous spiders and Cobra snakes. You think he’d just let them die than handle them. Unless he spoke snake and spider. And the ahem.. .. genetics, we would all be six toed and 7 fingered inbreds all named Billy-Joe-Bob s with no racial differeces. Japan would also have a flood myth. I haven't heard of one yet. Noah’s flood myth, does not account for other religions.
Which are the major irrefutable unscientific mistakes in the Bible?
Obviously if the science is irrefutable, Christians have found a way to explain away the Bible passages. It’s not like there’s some Bible verse that says “the earth is flat” which they haven’t noticed yet. So you have to decide for yourself how good you think their explanation is.

Some obvious ones off the top of my head:

Creationism. Genesis 1-2
There are two different stories there, which contradict each other (e.g. was woman/Eve created before or after the animals?)
Christians say that “day” doesn’t mean a literal 24 hour period, but the text doesn’t just say “day”, it says “evening and morning”
even if the “days” are millions of years, the time line is all wrong, and there’s no mention of the really important creatures such as bacteria or insects - how can you have plants without insects?
with evolution there’s no first man, no first woman, and no first person.
firmament. In the above passage, and again in the story of Noah, the Bible talks about a “firmament”, or in some translations a “dome” or “vault” (as in the translation I linked to above). Note that the Bible says it keeps out the water above the earth, and that the sun, moon and stars all sit within that firmament. This only works if you assume a flat earth. And it only works if you think the sky is blue because there’s water above the sky.
Stars. The same passage I linked to above says that the stars were created for our benefit, for navigation and telling the seasons. In reality the universe is phenomenally big and earth is an infinitesimally small speck within it. This means that of course the rest of the universe - ie many of the stars, are much older than the earth, and existed long before humans did and will continue to exist after humans cease to exist.
linguistics. Not sure if you count this as a science, but the story of Babel (here: Genesis 11) tells us that the linguistic diversity today stems from God confusing everybody about 4000 years ago. Today we know that there’s a “family tree” of languages, not just lots of unconnected languages. There’s no way that all the “grandfather” languages could have arisen and died out i such a short time.
π. If you want to get really pedantic - which Christians love when it suits them - you could say that the Bible implies that π=3. Or you could be impressed that they were close enough, when they didn’t have a way to talk about fractions. "The Bible Says pi = 3"
Some people say that verses like Ecclesiastes 1:5, Psalm 19:6, Psalm 104:5 , Joshua 10:1-15, or Isaiah 38:1-8 suggest a geocentric world view, although I guess that’d debatable.
There’s also stories like Jacob’s goats, which Christians might say were a miracle rather than a statement about goat breeding, or the Nephilim, which seem unlikely. Or the constant phrase “the four corners of the earth” which Christians would say is just a figure of speech. Another thing that should give you pause for thought are all the “evil spirits” that were responsible for people’s physical or mental illnesses in the gospels, which today we would understand as being illnesses or abnormalities that have little or nothing spiritual about them.

So its’ not that many, but there’s not that many scientific claims in the Bible. The few it makes - notably, creation - don’t hold up very well. There’s also historical errors in the gospels, but that’s another story.

joyandfaith:
Can u point to bible verses that say that? Please speak with evidences. Can u pls show us the evidence of Jehovah in cage by gods of science?



Bible is scientifically accurate. Bible talks about earth being spherical and water cycle facts that scientists at that time were not aware of. Check this-
He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, suspending the earth upon nothing.”
Job 26:7
“All the streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full. To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.”
Ecclesiastes 1:7

There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth.”
Isaiah 40:22


Bible principles on hygiene were ahead of their times

Shortly before the nation of Israel entered the Promised Land some 35 centuries ago, God said that he would protect them against “the terrible diseases” that they had known in Egypt. (Deuteronomy 7:15) One way he did this was by giving them detailed instructions on disease control and hygiene. For example:

The nation’s code of laws required bathing and clothes washing.—Leviticus 15:4-27.

Regarding human waste, God stated: “A private place should be designated for use outside the camp, and there is where you should go. A peg should be part of your equipment. When you squat outside, you should dig a hole with it and then cover your excrement.”—Deuteronomy 23:12, 13.

People who were thought to have a communicable disease were quarantined—kept away from others for a time. Before returning, those who recovered from sickness had to wash their garments and bathe in water if they were to be considered “clean.”—Leviticus 14:8, 9.

Anyone who touched a dead body was quarantined.—Leviticus 5:2, 3; Numbers 19:16.

Israel’s laws reflected medical concepts and views on sanitation that were far ahead of their time.

Elsewhere, primitive standards of hygiene were prevalent. For example:

Waste was deposited in streets. Polluted water, contaminated food, and other kinds of refuse created unsanitary conditions that contributed to a high rate of disease and infant mortality.

Ancient medical doctors had little or no knowledge of germs and pathogens. Egyptians used such “remedies” as lizard blood, pelican dung, dead mice, urine, and moldy bread. Human as well as animal excrement was also commonly used in their medical procedures.

The ancient Egyptians picked up a variety of parasites from the contaminated waters of the Nile River and its irrigation canals. Likewise, many infants in Egypt died of diarrhea and similar disorders caused by contaminated food.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/science/gods-laws-hygiene-ahead-of-time/

Lol. The bible is so unscientific and cretarded.
Look at these points.

This aspect of methodological naturalism is also tied into the question of falsifiability - the idea that there must be a theoretical way in which a claim could be disproved in order for it to be science. For example, there is no way that a claim such as: "A god created the world with the appearance of age last Thursday" could be tested or disproved. And if it cannot be tested, it cannot even theoretically be disproved (falsified) and thus it cannot be a scientific claim. A somewhat different question associated with disproof is whether a statement is both and falsifiable and has actually been falsified. For example the claim "the Earth and the universe came into existence within seven days of each other" is a falsifiable claim - and it is also one which is easily falsified. In consequence, neither the "Last Thursday" claim nor the "Seven day creation" claim is "scientific" - but for different reasons.

Another aspect of science is the question of evidence. Evidence is crucial to the scientific method - if no evidence is found for a proposed hypothesis then it does not meet even the lowest threshold for scientific acceptance.

The question of evidence is also strongly associated with the concept of burden of proof. Simply stated, this concept maintains that it the responsibility of the person (or book) presenting a claim to provide evidence for its veracity - it is not the responsibility of third parties to disprove any claim.

Gross errors
Although this article focuses more on areas where the bible gets scientific detail wrong, it is also important to remember that a literalistic reading of the bible also contains gross scientific errors in cosmology, biology, geology, and linguistics. More information about each of these points is contained in the linked articles.

Six day creation
The idea that the Earth and the Universe were created in six days a few thousand years ago is completely unscientific. The age of the universe is calculated as being around 13.8 billion years while Earth is calculated to have formed 4.5 billion years ago. The difference between these two dates is significantly greater than six days. For those biblical literalists who argue for a 7,000 year old earth, there are multiple lines of evidence against a recent creation and—by extension—against a six day creation.

Human evolution
The claim that humans were the result of a special creation event at the end of this six day period is wrong. In fact, the evidence that humans and other animals evolved gradually over a period of some three to four billion years is overwhelming.

A global flood
There is no evidence for a global flood event as described in the Bible. While there is evidence for large floods in regions spanning all over the world, there is nothing to suggest one giant flood engulfed the planet surface. Many ancient tribes and religions across the globe have flood myths, likely arising from past events. This does not suggest the flood described in the story of Noah actually occurred.

Tower of Babel
There is no linguistic evidence for any of the events included in the Tower of Babel myth.

Biology
Anatomy of insects
Leviticus 11:20-23 (NIV):

All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

While some would see this as a scientific error, J.P. Holding has an "explanation":[3]

Is this an error -- since insects have six legs, not four, and since "fowl" have two legs, not four? The reference to "fowl" is thought by some skeptics to refer to birds, but the word used here is 'owph, which merely means a creature with wings -- it is the same word used in verse 21 (flying). The reference in both cases is to insects. But there is an even better - and more correct - answer.

Quite simply, the big back legs on the locust, etc. were not counted as "legs" in the same sense as the other legs. Let's use an illustration from our popular literature, George Orwell's Animal Farm. In this story, Snowball the pig invented the slogan, "Four legs good, two legs bad" so as to exclude humans from Animal Farm society. The geese and other fowl objected, because they had only two legs. Snowball explained (more clearly in the book than in the movie) that in animal terms, the birds' wings counted as legs because they were limbs of propulsion, not manipulation, as a human's arms and hands were.

Now note the differentiation in Leviticus above -- referring to "legs above the feet" for leaping. The "feet" are being differentiated from the "legs above the feet" because of their difference in function. They are legs, but in a different sense than the "four" legs which are just called "feet." We are being told of two types of legs: The "on all four" legs (which are nowhere called legs; they are only called "feet" [v. 23]), and the "leaping legs." It is clear that the Hebrews regarded the two large, hopping hind limbs of the locust and the other insects of the same type, which are the only types of insects mentioned here (we now translate "beetle" as "cricket", as something different than the other four limbs - perhaps because they were used primarily for vertical propulsion, whereas the other limbs were for scurrying around. (Shifts of terminology like this happen even today; check this proposal to redefine "planet".)

What the above explanation so clearly misses is the fact that when the Bible mentions that “All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you” [Group A] this group does not include those with leaping legs as shown by the fact that the very next passage states “There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground.” [Group B]

Now if the passages lacked the first half discussing Group A, evangelical apologists such as J.P. Holding may have some ground. But as the biblical text clearly differentiates Group A (those with no jointed legs) as separate to Group B (those with said jointed legs) and yet both groups are defined as having four legs, this argument can be of no defense. Even if J.P Holding were correct on the still unsubstantiated basis that the ancient Hebrews defined crickets and similar insects of Group B as having four typical legs and two "jointed legs" for leaping,that still would not explain the missing legs of the beetles and other non-leaping insects from Group A which are discussed separately.

Bouncin:
As much as I acknowledge that our government is ridiculous, I want to also state clearly here that these doctors are also to greedy with so much of entitlement mentality. They want the world from the government because they are doctors and can always go on strike.
These same people will come back to fight any other health profession seeking for a good ground in the health sector.
If you leave these greedy lots, they will want to work alone in the hospital or better still be the only people earning in hospital while others just work.
Spits on their bleeping faces

I know this one is either a lab scientist, pharmacist, nurse etc. Your hate is noted. But I hope you know your association has also been striking, I would like to hear what you would say when next you strike. I guess you read where the NARD head said they would have gone on strike way back but considered Nigerians. But that didn't stop you from expressing your hate. No doctor said you shouldn't agitate for your right

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Imagine you bought a new mobile device surely you can use it for so many purposes but then you have to make use of the user's manual failure to do so will certainly lead to a damage of your device. Do you think it makes any sense shifting the blame on the maker?
The default came through Adam's rebellion {Deuteronomy 32:5} from the start everything He programmed was perfect {Genesis 1:31} the freewill given to humans led to trouble not His own program, had it been everyone does things according to the manual He provided everything would have worked out perfectly as planned.

Youre just talking rubbish. You said yahweh programmed man to be spewing children(who are his enemies) and then when the children have default, we shouldn't blame him. Does it make sense to you

Ken4Christ:
Which points? I am just too busy to attend to them now. They do not change the truth of God's word. God's word is eternally true.

The same 'god's word' that are confusing and miseducating people?
You didn't say any tangible thing in the thread you caused me to open

elated177:
Francistown, post your full identity here. I, elated177, a saint, servant, follower and messenger of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, the begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God and the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them, want to speak to you, francistown, through the thunder and the lighting, the Rain, the Sun, the Wind, the Moon and the Stars. Will you be able to understand? They are the natural phenomena that the Creator has put in place and they respond to me, Elated177, his saint, servant, follower and messenger here on earth. So, come out and challenge me like a man. Don't hide behind the curtain.

As saint, servant, follower and messenger of Yahushua the Messiah, the begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, I neither fight with nor put any hope or trust in physical weapons/arms of the flesh such as guns, swords, wood and stones. I don't engage in physical fisticuffs with anyone. Just the Words of YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the ends of the earth, as written in his Scriptures, which you people refer to as Bible, are all we need and require. They are powerful Words and not idle words.

So, again, francistown, if I, Elated177, speak to you through the natural phenomena of YHVH Almighty, will you understand? I am human being like you. Don't tell me you are afraid of me.

Francistown, you are too inconsequential, too infinitesimal and your rants and rambles against the Scriptures of YHVH Almighty too insignificant for him to be bothered. It is because of people like you, francistown, and your kind that he placed people like me, elated177, on this earth. I am here. So, what is it gonna be?

I am the human masterpiece of my God, YHVH Almighty, the Creator of the ends of the earth and the one and only true God. I am here responding to you.





Are you going to go all dodgy on me?

Youre doing this same song and dance again? I thought you stopped with me? I can't remember yahweh requesting for passports in the bible before raining hailstones, thunder etc. Is he now incapacitated? I thought he knows everyone

SIRTee15:
Can chapgpt be manipulated by user input. Yes or No

NO. I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn, JEHOVAH has programmed the reproductive system in all creatures so after Adam and Eve sinned they passed imperfection to all that is born through that reproductive system.
JEHOVAH is not creating anything afterwards that's why the book of Genesis said God rested {Genesis 2:2} everything has kept on working just as He programmed it He is not creating babies everyday as you erroneously think babies are the products of reproductive system ability given to all living creatures!

So he programmed the reproductive system to be spawning his enemies?

MightySparrow:
Good points. You should realize that man found himself here and wondered what brought him here and to find answers, he began to ascribe creation and all he could figure out to gods. This is the reason for making Sun, planets, trees, rivers etc gods and objects of worship. So many superstitions are made all over the world. Then human began to develop his mind and science was born. Not science alone, Law, Business, Administration etc. All of these also had their initial problems- breaking away from the ‘standards’ Today advancements are being made in all fronts including religion. Today, I don’t see how science has displaced religion. Many astronomers are devout Christians. About the Sun being stopped and movement of the earth round the Sun, science hasn’t claimed it didn’t happen.Galileo Galilee is unfortunately one of martyrs of science, so we have in religion. The ugly past of Christianity and state of Rome, the killings within the churc, they problems in the early development of Islam: we still have a spillover today. Yet many leading scientists are still religious. Science itself is a part of body of knowledge not all of it. I am a scientist myself, I am a believer in God because at the frontiers of scientific knowledge there are still areas of uncertainty.

Good. I hope you keep your scientific mind away from your religious mind, cos they don't mix

MightySparrow:
Do you realize that most leading scientists are religious? Albert Einstein, Micheal Faraday, Gregor Mendel - priest, Emmanuel Cant Galileo Galilee, Isaac Newton who wrote an exposition on The Prophecy of Daniel? Algebra in Mathematics is founded by a Muslim?

Many are deists. Some are Salerternian christians. Einstein himself isn't even christian

MightySparrow:
Talk about your Quran alone if you’re not a Christian, the whole Quran is about the New Testament in volume and is not organized at all.

Same as the bible. But you ran away when the inadequacies of the bible was presented to you

Dtruthspeaker:
Ain't you heard the word "to see what they shall do?

But yahweh already knows what we'll do

MightySparrow:
The same way you have the freedom to write on this thread whatever you would and He is watching you without any protest.

Same way Flying Spaghetti Monster is patiently watching you promote yahweh. Same yahweh he created from dust

joyandfaith:
he created us with free will. humans are not robots.

Nope. If he knows how each of us would end up then there’s no freewill. We are just toeing the destiny he ordained for each of us