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SIRTee15:
Point to me where I wrote she had chemo and radio.
U sha want her to have treatment by fire by force.
She didn't have treatment, deal with it.

Essence of biopsy is to know specific cancer type? Seriously? Are u a doctor as u claim?
Let me ask u few questions, If u remove a lump from a patient, will u send that lump for Biopsy or not?
If you perform colonoscopy on a patient who presented with rectal bleed. Will u send the parts of the bowel tissue for biopsy or not?

1. I have given the screenshot. Hope youll not deny it.
2. If she didn't have then its spontaneous remission, which is a known idiosyncratic event in carcinomas. So keep your yahweh in your ass where it belongs
3. Yes, biopsy is done to determine the specific type of cancer. Example. In lung CAs, biopsy of the lung is taken, and taken for histology to know the type (from the arrangement of the cells). It could be an adenocarcinoma, pancoat CA, small cell CA etc. Each of them have different treatment modalities and hormone sensitivity is key.
Another example. Breast CAs. Biopsy is sent to histology to know the specific type. These are Piaget cell, Phylloides tumor, fibrosarcoma etc. Each have their level of hormone sensitivity.
So in the end the oncologist can decide to use, for example, 3 cycles of doxorubicin with radio, or tamoxifen.

4. Of course youll send for histology. Is it for cooking soup?
5. The most possible endoscopy for revealed bleed is sigmoidoscopy, not colonoscopy, and yes, you'll send for histology.
NB: A colonoscopy takes a thorough look at the whole of the large bowel, up to the end of the small bowel; while a flexible sigmoidoscopy is a short test which only examines the rectum and sigmoid colon. These common tests are used to examine the health of your digestive system

I don't understand these your points

SIRTee15:
What red herring argument is this? Did I mention atheism. I was comparing 2 religions and next thing u jumped into it with your atheism strawman argument nobody discussed in the first place.

Even if you remove atheism there which one is still higher?

SIRTee15:
Spontaneous remission after receiving treatment.
Atheists will do anything to win an argument.

Nope. The spontaneous remission was not after any treatment.
Christians dont understand english

advocatejare:
Why would I watch porn? I have better things to do with my life than to be fantasizing about sex every time.

It’s you that left God because of orgasm, your life is about sex that is why Islam is best for you. It promises you 72 wives in their paradise that you will be having sex with for eternity and they will give you unresolving erections and strength of 100 men!

Ok I have heard

SIRTee15:
I will respond to this because it's medical related. Don't spread fallacy here
Chemo or radio for metastatic cancers still carries poor prognosis, remission do happen esp with advancement on therapy but it's not magic cure at that stage.

Chemo and radio are still part of palliative care.
In the screenshot, the drugs for cancer are known as chemotherapy

advocatejare:
Because your focus is narrow, did I hear you say there is no insult there?

That idiomatic expression had like 10 hits. Only one said its an insult and you latched on to it. You totally ignored the other 9 explanations which are from reliable sources.
What does that make you?

TenQ:
You tell lies
I asked you for your evidence
You wouldn't provide one

But you think this will bail you out

Lol. If you wanna deny, no problem. I won't be bothered to go through your posts, because you will still argue. At least I gave you the specific occasions

TenQ:
So, your common sense is telling you that
1. You wrote the history of Nigeria
2. Ten years after, I also wrote the history of Nigeria
3. Conclusion: I must have copied your writeup on the history of Nigeria.


See how shallow your reasoning is!?

So what is the correlation of your analogy to this dispute?
Also are you aware the Epic talks of ancient gods? And those ancient gods had virgin birth, which is the same with jesus. So who is lying amongst the 2 books? Epic and Bible?

TenQ:
You made a claim and I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

Ok then. Have a nice day

Maynman:
It’s you that believe yahweh is omniscience and knows the future yet he doesn’t know destiny.
Is destiny not in the future?

Africa needs thinkers who are independent of religion.

I ask once again, define foreknowledge and destiny.
Does all knowing yahweh know the exact number of people that will go to hell?

This is the exact reason Africa is the most backward continent. With the crap I'm getting from this discourse, its no wonder we're like this

SIRTee15:
What has Sodom and Gomorrah got to do with the flood that happened almost 500years apart?
Only seven pair of clean and a pair of unclean animals made the ark. As I said it was a small boat.

Really? Are there only 7 animals in this world?

SIRTee15:
2,3, and 4 already answered. No need going around in circles. Check my previous posts.
God don't create evil, evil was as a result of earth's corruption.
1. Bible makes it clear that there's no forgiveness of sin without atonement by blood.

Nnamdiosu offers a good explanation here, hope.it helps.
Hello Richmond. Because your answer is genuine and you have expressed a honest desire to learn, I'll explain something's to you. I know God will enlighten you to understand.

Richmond, first off all there are laws, ancient laws that rule the universe, planets, spiritual realm and physical realm.
These Laws are older than the earth, and because they were in existence before even the earth was formed, we aren't fully in understanding of them all yet.


Sin is a serious issue. Spiritually it's like a capital crime in the spirit realm.

The same way a person commits a crime and is sentenced, that's the same way sin is treated.

Nothing that God created can die per say. Even we humans, we merly leave our physical bodies and move in the spiritual realm.

What God did to the world with water was just temporary solution. That's why after that, sin came again upon the world.

In the spiritual world, evil begets evil.
Good can't come from bad.
So when man sinned, all his descendants automatically become sinners because they all SHARE THE SAME BLOOD.
In the spiritual realm, sin can only be removed by blood equal to the species level of the sinner. That's why blood of goats can't purge sin.

The son of God, who came to died for man kind, was spiritually pure, so his blood was a perfect solution or substitute for the sin of all his specie type (humans).

The Armageddon that will befall the earth will occur primary because this world has been contaminated and needs cleansing .


I wrote a very interesting discourse on the topic above, from before the creation of man to the death if the son of God. Kindly read it and a lot of your questions will be answered.

Again, you have ignored the question.
How can an omniscient god regret or be surprised? You still haven't answered it. Now youve added more problems to yourself.
At the bolded, how can an omniscient being do temporary solution? Are you saying he doesn't have a permanent one?

SIRTee15:
Already answered, no need going around in circles.
Just like TenQ said, u guys are confusing foreknowledge with destiny.

No, I'm not. Foreknowledge is having a pre-knowledge about an event. Destiny is the a predetermined fate or endpoint of a human.

SIRTee15:
Have u actually seen a case of advanced cervical cancer with fungating mass b4? Biopsy is for what u already know which we did anyway.
I already told u she had no chemo, radio or surgery.
Guy u are beginning to sound like those Pharisees in John 9 who were pestering that blind man who was healed by Jesus.
They wouldn't believe the poor guy but still wouldn't let him be.

No. The essence of biopsy is to know the specific cervical cancer type which would determine the specific chemo to use. Why are you changing stance? You told me they used chemo and radio.
I have told you several times the causes of that remission. It looks like you don't read my posts

SIRTee15:
Mr irreversible destiny, u are a closet Muslim. because this is what Muslims believe about life.
U are beating around the bush, u are still not clear. Come out plainly and answer this
Someone who died as an armed robber, was that his pre determined destiny when he was born?
A prostitute who ended up being murdered by her client, was that her predetermined destiny from day one of her life? To grow up and become a prostitute, nothing can change it?
Fatalist atheist? Are u kidding ? How can there be fatalism without an author or supernatural force. What's writing the script, why can't man change his choice based on his own life reflection. Why must u end up in the same circumstances irrespective of what u do? Seriously, I think u are lost.
Just like TenQ said, it's better we discuss philosophy with u guys than theology.

Africa has no hope and it's lost. Na wa o. No wonder u guys vote for irresponsible leaders since what will be will be. Maynman do you agree with him?
In that case, africans should sit their butt in Africa and stop migrating to place where they believe the prosperity and future of their countries is in their hands.

Lol. Where do I even start?
I dont care what muslims believe. I believe what I believe. If muslims believe the same, then its their business.
I dont even think you know what fatalism is.
This is the definition.
fatalism
/ˈfeɪtəlɪz(ə)m/
noun
the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.
"fatalism can breed indifference to the human costs of war"
a submissive attitude to events, resulting from a fatalistic attitude.
"he experienced a sense of fatalism that kept his fear at bay"
Did you see anywhere they alluded to a supernatural being? Damn!
About Africa, I said if its predermined that it ll be poor then there is nothing we can do. Learn to read english

SIRTee15:
My highlighted clearly states man has a right to make a choice.
Angels don't have that right- those that rebelled against God were sent to eternal damnation without any option of repentance or change of mind.

So if angels aren't created to have free will or rebel, how did Lucifer, a former angel, rebel against Yahweh? Where did that freewill come from?

SIRTee15:
U are beginning to put words into my mouth. Where did I say they are not used. I said it's not a magic cure at that stage.

You cleverly avoided using them. Because I have been asking you this question but you haven't been aswering them. If a patient was on those modalities, the chances of remission is high. So where is the miracle? Also the fact people that don't pray to yahweh or people that don't pray at all, still experience remission, then its obvious not a miracle

SIRTee15:
That's your own definition of omniscience.

No sir. Its the definition if omniscient. You or somebody else can't just wake up and create definitions out of thin air. The world would be in chaos. Dictionaries and thesauruses exist for a reason

SIRTee15:
Already answered. U just going in circles.
When God dwells in physical structures. People can see the physical body... tabernacle, ark, man, burning fire...

So man was his physical structure?

SIRTee15:
You not an atheist. Mr irreversible destiny.

What is the connotation of fatalism to religion? Can you explain, please?

advocatejare:
Damage control. How can you promising to stop praying to God if you can give orgasm to a woman not related to religion? Who is the center of religion if not God? Why are you so dumb like this?



It’s no business of mine but it shows how unfortunate you are to be sharing your wife with another woman. No sane man on earth wants to share his wife with another, but since you’re dumb you won’t see anything wrong with it

1. Lemme ask you, would you rather pray to Allah or watch porn? I DONT GIVE A PRAYING FVCK ABOUT YOUR YAHWEH! TELL HIM TO SVCK A DICK.
2. Again, its my wife, my marriage, not yours. Get a life!

advocatejare:
Your father is the one you’re referring to. The useless parents that gave birth to a stupid person like you. A stupid person who promised to stop praying to God if he can give a woman 2 orgasms in 1 minute. What a reason to become an atheist!

Giving 2 babes orgasm is a better venture than to praying to a non existent entity. In fact I'd rather watch porn. Its more rewarding. And my life is the better for it

Ken4Christ:
You can't establish a point with just a verse of scripture. It must be in harmony with the other passages.

Even God himself rebuked Job for uttering statements without knowledge.

Apostle Paul didn't use the best expression of language to communicate his message when he said all scripture are inspired by God.

It should read, "All scripture inspired by God..."

Even the words Satan spoke is written in the Bible. So, how could Satan words be inspired?

Really? You are correcting Paul? Lol. This is really desperate from you

TenQ:
You made a Claim, prove it!

The childishness of Atheists like you is evermore glaring to see: when two people are contesting an issue and without a recourse to an unbiased judge or referee begin to claim and celebrate epic landslide victory is simply pathetic and laughable.at best.

I challenge you here again
1. Your evidence of how and when I ran away from debating you
2. An evidence that you won the debate by eating me alive.

Like I said: you aren't worth the trouble! You are a waste of time!

I have told you. Since you said you don't wanna engage me, no use unearthing evidence. Have a nice day then

TenQ:
See Atheist's circular reasoning.

I said EVIDENCE not re-assertion of what you insinuated.

What is the evidence that Moses copied the Epic of Gilgamesh?

If something was written before in a book and years later, another book repeats such things the exact way it was written, what conclusion would you arrive at?

TenQ:
Do I want to debate you?
No!

You aren't worth my time!

Ok. No problem. But stop denying about being grilled by me

SIRTee15:
Your atheist friend that believes in irreversible destiny.
That a child is born with his or her destiny that can never be changed.
If that makes sense to you, then I will presume both of you are actually idol worshippers or closet Muslims.

1. Again, define Destiny
2. How is fatalism related to theism/religion?

advocatejare:
What I choose to do with my time or who I choose to respond to is none of your business. My mission is to expose the lies of Islam here on nairaland and to expose the hypocrisies of Muslims on Nairaland that everything they may accuse Christianity for is what their Islam is guilty of.

I don’t debate with atheists cos there is no basis for it. If someone says that there is no God, I’m not the one that will be wasting my time to tell you otherwise, you’re the one that knows what made you come to such a conclusion just like you decided to marry a bisexual who will be sleeping with you and with another woman that’s your choice, enjoy it


If only you didn’t write “grow some balls” just because you wanted me to respond to what I didn’t want to respond to.

Don’t start what you can’t finish next time.

Exactly. What if my mission is to debunk christianity and expose it for its fraudulence? He who lives in a glass house must surely not throw stones

advocatejare:
Have you seen me attach Atheists who didn’t attack me first? I wouldn’t have commented on your post if tht Muslim didn’t mention me and I responded to his mention in the appropriate way but you decided to interfere. I didn’t quote you, neither did I mention you but you chose to join issues with me. I don’t have time for you atheists here.



That is your business not mine, count me out of your frustrations and disappointments in life. If you have issues with the Bible that’s your business I won’t be the one to be explaining what you perceive as contradictions to you. You have made your choice already, so enjoy it.


Then build your own religion or whatever you will name it that will be perfect and free of any faults

Lol. You come to my thread and make comments and expect me not to reply? Dude, its my own thread!
Besides, you quote people that don't quote you first, so why does mine irk you?
You attack muslims and the qoran copiously without them inviting you into the discourse. When its time for the bible to face scrutiny and take the heat, you dissolve into the shrubbery like Homer Simpson.

advocatejare:
You started the insults when you asked your father to grow some balls. Don’t give what you can’t take. I will be civil if you are, but if you want to be very stupid, I will give you the full dose of your stupidity.

Lol. Grow some balls is an idiomatic expression and there is no insult there. Nigerians are something else

Ken4Christ:
Moses wrote the first five books. His writings concerning the deliverance of Israel from Egypt is definitely an eye witness account.

Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest.

If God comes down in the fullness of his glory, no mortal man can withstand that glory. You can't even stand on your feet.

This is why the glory sometimes had to be covered with thick darkness.

When Peter, James and John went with Jesus and Jesus was transfigured before them, they fell down like dead men.

The Bible is the only book that gave us detailed account of how the world began and how this present age will end.

Everything John saw as written in the book of Revelation are coming to pass one after the other.

So, the vision of the great white throne judgment where everyone will stand before God to be judged will also come to pass.

Follow my exposition on the book of Revelation in my online daily devotional study, Rhema for Living Devotional so you can fully understand what is ahead of us.

And all the events written therein will come to pass.

Don't be among those who will be throne into the Lake of Fire. And the way to escape that judgment is to give your life to Christ.

1. First things first, Moses is a fictional character and never existed, and the books of pentateuch were dated hundreds of years after he supposedly lived.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis#:~:text=Tradition%20credits%20Moses%20as%20the,is%20supposed%20to%20have%20lived.
2. Yes, he appeared in his brightness a few times. But I can tell you that the radiance of his glory at those moments were not in its fullest
The bible never spoke about the level of brilliance anywhere there. So how did you, thousands of years after the bible was written, figure it out? Did you use a can a light meter for it, bro?

3. No, there is no evidence those events happened in the creation either historically, archeologically or scientifically. If you dare me again, I'll open another thread and drop all the evidence

advocatejare:
If they lie to you that Islam is a religion of peace, show them this hadith where muhammad sent killer to someone that insulted him:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes,”" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al- Ashraf."
- Sahih Bukhari 4037

If they tell you yahweh is a god of love, show them this

Let’s consider three categories of Old Testament texts that are morally problematic:

the “crimes” for which God prescribes the death penalty,
God’s anger and wrath in punishing his people, and
God’s command to the Israelites to commit genocide.
The death penalty. There are numerous “crimes” for which God, through the Law of Moses, requires the death penalty. Among these are sacrificing to a god other than Yahweh (Exodus 22:20), persistent rebelliousness on the part of a child (Deuteronomy 21:18–21), a child who hits or curses his or her parents (Exodus 21:15 and 17), working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2), premarital sexual intercourse (Deuteronomy 22:13–21), and the requirement for a priest to burn his daughter alive if she became a prostitute (Leviticus 21:9).

God’s anger and wrath. In the Old Testament, God’s anger repeatedly burns against his people for their disobedience. At times, the punishment he dispenses seems particularly harsh, unjust, and disproportionate. Let’s consider just one example.

In 2 Samuel 24, we find that King David decided to take a census of the men of fighting age. The prophet Gad was sent to David to announce God’s displeasure with the taking of the census. The punishment for David’s sin: “The Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the appointed time; and seventy thousand of the people died” (2 Samuel 24:15). David makes a decision that does not please God, and God kills 70,000 Israelites for it? How could this action ever be reconciled with a God of mercy, compassion, justice, and love?

Genocide in the name of God. I’ll mention one last category of scriptures related to the violence of God: those that describe the conquest of Canaan. At the time the Israelites entered the land to conquer it, Canaan was populated with small city-states or kingdoms made up of various ethnic groups speaking similar languages. God promised Israel that he would give them this land, but to do so these people had to be displaced.

This is problematic enough, but God wasn’t asking the Israelites to forcibly relocate them to other lands. God instructed the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child among these Canaanites. In Deuteronomy 20:16–18, Moses gives these instructions: “As for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded.”

The Hebrew word for “annihilate” has as its root herem (also transliterated as cherem or sometimes charam). The classic Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon notes the meaning of the word in English is “to exterminate.” It also has the sense of devoting something to God by completely destroying it. This is sometimes translated as “ban”—a word that in this context means “given to God by complete destruction.”

In Joshua 6:20b–21, you can read about what this looked like as the Israelite army entered the town of Jericho: the Israelites “charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.” After the destruction of Jericho, next would come the people of Ai, then the people of Makkedah and Libnah and Lachish and Eglon and Debir—every man, woman, and child slaughtered and dedicated to God. In the end, the entire population of thirty-one city-states was utterly destroyed.

I suspect that most people who read the Bible either don’t think about this, gloss over these sections, or skip them altogether. I was fourteen years old when I first read the Book of Joshua. The stories didn’t trouble me at that time. They were epic battles with great story lines and heroic figures. Who doesn’t enjoy reading about how the walls of Jericho “came tumbling down”? Behind each story was the idea that God was fighting on behalf of his people. I suspect that’s how most people read these stories today.

But when I grew up, I reread these stories and began to think about the humanity of the Canaanites. These were human beings who lived, loved, and had families. Among them were babies and toddlers, mothers and fathers. Yet they were all put to the sword by “the Lord’s army.” Thirty-one cities slaughtered with no terms of surrender offered and no chance to relocate to another land. I came to see the moral and theological dilemmas posed by these stories.